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Salvador was the one time in Brazil where I got mugged (about 10 years ago). The historic center is like an island surrounded by very sketchy neighborhoods. This was the one city I should have heeded all the warnings about, but I was cocky from my good experiences in SP and Rio. It looked like such a short walk from my hotel in the colonial center to the sauna ...

How would one find a trainer one can take back to a motel? My dream would be to find a real training session, followed by joint shower/jacuzzi, massage, and whatever.

That must have been the one I went to but I had fun! I think it's called Olimpo. I considered it a smaller version of Lagoa or 117, with just as beautiful and well-built guys, just fewer of them than in the big cities. Whereas 117, 202, and Lagoa might have 5 to 10 star-quality guys (I'm talking pre-covid comparison), Olimpo would have 2-5, Mezzaninu in Pto Alegre would have 1-3, and Curitiba or Recife would struggle for 1 though they might still have perfectly enjoyable companionship.

If you have his number maybe you can pre-arrange something with him. I never could understand why he only came into SP on Thursdays. Given Reinaldo's size, I have told him that I had to start with a more reasonable dick first and work my way up to him later in the night, but he'd be gone by then.

Reinaldo. Wow. *sigh* That one needs to be in a museum of natural history. I first saw him 13 years ago and had several repeats. He disappeared for a long time - word was he was taken in by a "cliente particular" - but the bloom must have come off that rose because he's back. (And I did see him last May.) I would not necessarily disbelieve his reason for rushing out. He always comes only on a Thursday and ALWAYS rushes out to catch a bus, no matter how much business you promise him. Did you pull the tape measure out on him? I too have a clinical mind and would like scientific confirmation of his size. Fun fact: He told me he was 1/4 Japanese.

The Koreans run the garment industry throughout South America. There's a great, very hip Korean restaurant in Bom Retiro called Komah.

Brazil has a large indigenous population that is likely very smooth and hairless. Not to mention all the shaved and primped guys in the videos or at the sauna.

What was it like? Chinese food takes on unique characteristics of their foreign locale and there's always that moment of adjustment for those of us familiar with American Chinese food or "real" Chinese food from Asia. Given the quirks of Brazilian Japanese food (fruit sushi) and Brazilian pizzas, I'm curious about Brazilian Chinese.

How did you broach the topic? I am always too shy with strangers. The few times I've asked a "nice guy" for coffee, it just didn't work for one reason or another.

You'll be in Brazil during the Festas Juninhas, or summer saints' holidays, which are SUPER-interesting in the north, rivaling their local carnavals. I did it in Sao Luiz, way up north and very cool. I heard Salvador and Recife also have great festas juninhas. If you're talking about garotos, adjust your expectations. BH is the only other city that, in my experience, even comes close to the big two.

Wow, and I thought I was an SP fan. Adding it up, I've probably spent more time in SP than all but 2 or 3 other places in the world other than my residences. SP has its charms but they are well-hidden and perhaps undetectable on a first trip. Therefore, only those of us who have other than touristic reasons to go to SP have uncovered its charms.

That's what I used to think. But on this and the previous trip to Rio, I found it to have remarkably cleaned up. The area around the Copacabana Palace, which one used to be warned about, looked perfectly tame. I didn't hang out at the beach, though, which is where the trouble used to be. Barra is boring but suburban-safe. Sao Conrado is very interesting, despite or because of being right next to the largest favela in Brazil. I'm not big into hotels so I've stayed in 1/2-star places in Gloria, Catete, Lgo de Machado, which seemed quite safe because tourist-targeters don't have anyone to target. I've even stayed in Sta Teresa (an uber or steep 10 minute hike up from 117) and it was fantastic - walking around at night like in a small town, with little bars and restaurants in colonial houses.

I just looked up Jacana. It's waayyy out. I stayed in Jardims this last trip and did not see a hint of a shred of a danger. Even staggered back to my hotel from a restaurant in Pinheiros one night, probably not smart, but again, nothing looked remotely dangerous. I remember a time when banks in those neighborhoods had an assault rifle-armed guard in front. As for more central districts, Se and Republica still look sketchy.

I wouldn't chug tap water. But how can you stay away from the juices? It's the second best thing about Brazil. Caju, caja, graviola, maracuja, manga, mora, abacaxi ... One of the juice joints around the corner from 117 also has a hot guy behind the counter.

+1 on Catete. Non-touristy (and therefore safer), convenient, interesting, and lots of restaurants.

This is a depressing report from Thermas. Still trying to figure where to spend some currently bargain-rate euros.

It's a great thread. But I didn't see comparative discussion between Prague and Zurich.

SP massage houses first Then 117/202. They now get almost the same crowd. Then Lagoa - still worth it but not a must.

There were 1 or 2 from the saunas and 2-3 from the massage houses that make me want to see them again. But over all, this trip felt rather subdued. I must have been there only 2-3 weeks before you, but every night seemed less populated than usual. Even the garotos said so, and they didn't know why. The free cabine nights did not bring on the packed staircases that I remember from days gone by. The weather wasn't that bad. I thought maybe people were recovering from Carnaval, but nope, they were partying in Lapa all night.

Coincidentally, those were the two I went to. They are equal in price and quality. Given the recent issues, I don't want to "over-identify" these guys. Let's say they ARE the guys in the picture. A couple times, it took me a few minutes to confirm this, but that's because people just look different from their professional shots. If anything, the guys were a little more muscular and a few years older, but still pretty stunning. Xtudio Lotus is in hilly aclimacao, a 20-minute walk from Paraiso metro. I had a "quatro manos" massage for 450 R. They started with rubbing my feet and legs and worked their way up. Somehow, they never got past the pelvic region, LOL, but it was better than most massages given by sex workers as there were some signs of formal training. I have never been lucky putting together a 3-way, but this one knocked it out of the park. The two guys' apparent familiarity with each other and team play experience must have helped. Mind you, there was no reciprocation or kissing but I wonder if that could be negotiated. For penetration, they wanted an extra 100 R each, which was well worth the tag-team to follow. All in all, 650 for 2 guys as hot as ever, 1 hour of sex as hot as ever. It was in a nice, clean house. The mattress was on the floor but the sheets were laundry-fresh. A spotless bathroom was down the hall. InHouse was in Vila Mariana (a great little neighborhood to stay and eat in, by the way), also a clean, modern house. One time I must have gotten the deluxe suite with an in-room jacuzzi. The second time was more like the Lotus set-up. I engaged 1 muscle guy for 250 the first time and another 4-hands for 450 (no penetration) the 2nd time. Interestingly, not all guys would do 4-hands, which I was told when I picked the first 2 guys I wanted from their website. So InHouse told me to just come by and the talent will come out to greet you. It's not as awkward as the experience of 25 Thai boys dropping everything to line up and stare at you. LOL. It helped that the very first guy, who wasn't even on their website, already had me at ola. I have two long-term Brazilian fixations. One of them is a Brazilian Asian stripper I saw at Lagoa some years ago. Now he's listed at one of the other agencies. We almost had a date, and then I was told he was working in Campinas that week. Oh well. I cannot emphasize enough what a thoroughly pleasant experience this was. All 5 guys were very friendly, decent, almost charming. They all spoke some English. It's a less crazy experience than in a sauna cabine (except for the 3-way at Lotus, which got sweaty-crazy) and a more relaxing time, which was what I was after. Each time, I scheduled an appointment only 1-2 hrs in advance. A couple guys were strippers or go-gos working the night clubs later that evening, but they said they were available "full time" to come to the house for an appointment. The saunas are rodizios - one guy after another coming around with skewers of meat. There are better and worse, but rodizios are usually quantity over quality. The massage houses are more like a la carte restaurants where you can have a limited but more leisurely repast. I used to wonder what would happen if the lumpen clay of magnificent beauty that was at Lagoa actually should get some refinement and training (by a caring, expert, and thorough trainer such as myself) to turn them into courtesans. This might be it.

What kind of water do they use in their juices? Honestly, I got so careless in Latin America that I stopped watching what I was eating or drinking. Then I got a moderate case of traveler's bowel in DR and a more serious case of maybe food poisoning in Rio. I'm thinking it was the juices, which are mixed with water, but filtered/boiled or tap?

When I was there a few weeks ago, rates were firmly at 150. One guy started with 200 but I said no cumming for 150 and he easily agreed. For another guy I offered 100 and he asked to make it 120 to cover his entrance fee. Maybe the garotos are not getting multiple clients a night and figure they should milk (ahem) their one romp for all it's worth, then go home. If it made any difference, it was usually I who brought up the rate first (saying "okay for 150?" instead of asking him how much), which perhaps let them know that I know the scene. Same in Rio. Everyone, even a snooty muscle boy at 117, immediately agreed to 150.

Turkish oil wrestler muscled.

If one would like company with blond, smooth, frat/jock types, would it be better to go to Zurich or Prague?

If one would like company with blond, smooth, frat/jock types, would it be better to go to Zurich or Prague?