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You really don't know anything about Ukraine pre-2022 do you? that's all the regime tells you and thinks you should know. There were votes years before in 7 provinces and in Luhansk and Donetsk there were overwhelming votes to leave Ukraine in heavily attended province-run elections. The other 5 called their vote off or voted to stay in Ukraine. Ukraine's response was to send troops in (the Nazi Azov Battalion) to kill 14,000 people in the separatist area. Separatists were dragged out in public for executions. There's a famous one of a mayor and his wife being hung on a gallows. Bodies of killed young men were left on their parents' doorsteps. Charming group that Nazi Azov Battalion. 

It didn't. There have been continual confrontations since Minsk II and Putin has continued to pour heavy weapons into the region in direct contravention of Minsk II.

few Americans know where Ukraine is , much less Crimea, and somehow I doubt many would give there own lives or treasure to re-capture Crimea for Ukraine to again kill people in. my guess is the number who think that is worth a nuclear war and death of most Americans is pretty low--outside DC. the war crowd thinks differently here and it controls both fake "parties". 
the sole purpose of the US in Ukraine is to keep the war and the killing going as long as possible to weaken Russia.as a rival. All Russians know this and the US regime admits it's purpose is the destruction of Russia as a power as it destroyed Iraq as a power in the middle East. the worst possible outcome for America would be peace. We pay Ukrainians well to die for our proxy war. thinking Putin is too much of a weakling to strike back at the US. If they're wrong we all die, not just a lot of Russians and Ukrainians. In the meantime the war drumbeat goes 24/7 on the CIA-controlled press and any dissent will be silenced by steadily harsher methods. The Goebbels method. All power to the state and all good citizens of the same mind. Mind control makes governing much easier.  

between 2014 and the 2022 Russian invasion 14,000 people were killed in Donbas. mostly by Ukraine troops that were supposed to have been withdrawn under the Minsk treaty. Russia was helping the rebels and many individual Russians volunteered and fought there, but the civilian death toll in Donbas from the Ukraine army was the  was the reason public opinion in Russia was demanding Putin do something. It's always censored from us in the US as is the fact that today and everyday the Ukraine army shells and kills civilians in Donbas on purpose. The misery of people in Donbas from Ukraine shelling is just as great as the misery by shelling of Russians on Ukraine. I have friends from both sides in Prague and there is no "good" actor here. And the sole goal of the US is to keep the war and killing going as long as possible.
 

This. 
This is what Germans who opposed Hitler had to deal with, this is what Americans who opposed the VietNam War and the Iraq War had to deal with, this is what southerners who opposed segregation had to deal with, what Americans who supported gay rights had to deal with, and it rears it's ugly head every time there's dissent to doing something obviously wrong because "everyone knows it's right", "everyone knows the facts",  "are you a traitor or a patriot to your country?"
Whatever you want to think, I am proudly an American born and raised here for many generations. That doesn't mean I have to like my government or make excuses for it if it's doing evil things. If anything if you love your country you should want it to be a free open society with free speech, including dissent, not just parroting government propaganda to conform and be accepted and make life easier for yourself. Yes it's easier for a country to govern when there's no dissent and everyone thinks the same. Yes, that's a good argument for news cycle propaganda narratives and censorship of news and facts. No, that's not a type government I want here and hope Russians and French and Chinese and Australians feel the same in their countries. 
Saying someone doesn't belong in their own country anymore because they don't support evil things their government does is not exactly novel.   

The South Vietnamese government urged us into Vietnam and that justified us exterminating 7 million Vietnamese. We went into Iraq because "we'd be seen as liberators" giving them democracy and promptly killed a million Iraqis. We sent money and weapons to Ukraine to "liberate" the Dombas which had left Ukraine in 2014, with a signed treaty even, and we helped them kill 14,000 people. People who think the US does anything for benevolent reasons would probably buy bridges too.
The US wanted this war and paid well to get it. It wants Russia diminished as a world power and that includes a lot of dead Russians with collateral damage of a lot of dead Ukrainians (we'll pay them well for their lives of course because we're their friend). The global strategy also includes protecting America from China (on the other side of the globe !) by surrounding it with our allies. Whatever the cost.
This has nothing to do with Putin. He's the most pro-American Russian. Under Clinton we spent a fortune getting him and Yeltsin in power and defeating the Communists. And he regularly gave the Clintons million dollar checks back.(then he stopped and Hillary went berserk). The other Russian leaders are much more anti-American than Putin and he's criticized there as an American puppet for his weakness to challenge the US. Even the "liberal" opposition calls him weak on doing things in Ukraine. The man didn't say a thing when the US killed 200 Russian soldiers in one day while we were protecting ISIS. What American president could stay if Russia or China killed 200 US soldiers in one day and that president did nothing?
IDK if hoping someone else comes in is a good idea dealing with a country that has 6000 nuclear weapons pointed at the US and hypersonic missles (which we don't have) to deliver them undetected in 15 minutes. Most Americans would be dead in 15 minutes from their launch in Russia and we wouldn't know they were coming. The "nuclear war" clock has been moved to seconds from midnight lately. Until Putin, Russia's never been a country to back down in humiliation as he's done to the US. Ask Napoleon and Hitler. The choice to Putin is probably someone with redlines we've already crossed. And support for the Dombas intervention is very high in Russia. The alternative if Russia pulled out would be more slaughter of people in Donbas by the Ukrainians. That's what Putin has to fear at home, not some American puppet coming to power. Historically for Russia, he's a very weak coward in always backing down to the US. Frankly I was shocked when he didn't have to step down after disclosure of the US killing those 200 Russians in one day.
I know plenty of Ukrainians from Dombas  in Prague and I had to break from the rabid government shills here because it's a very complex thing that has killed many people. The fascist government here takes advantage of people not having any knowledge of Ukraine. But yes, the US policy is to cause as much death and destruction as possible for as long as possible to bring down the power of the Russian nation. We just lucked up on Ukraine being willing to use their people as cannon fodder for us. But we'll pay them well for their lives. In the meantime WW3 is closer everyday and getting more certain. Maybe nuclear winter will help against global warming. Maybe that's the plan. 

Ukraine signed a treaty in 2014 to end the civil war in Dombas after voters overwhelmingly voted for separation in two provinces (other provinces voted to stay in Ukraine).  Angela Merkel recently said the treaty was a farce to give Zelensky time to get US weapons to invade Donbas. He did get the weapons and he did invade Donbas and 14,000 human beings were killed by his revoking the peace treaty. The separation of the Soviet Ukrainian Republic from Russia has zero to do with  any of this except the borders were never historic Ukraine. Crimea, Yalta, Odessa have been Russian for hundreds of years. Catherine the Great built Odessa. The Russian nationality began in Kiev. People in Donbas despise western Ukrainians who they consider country bumpkins and who killed many Russians in World War 2 fighting for the Nazis. The national hero of Ukraine with portraits in every post office, school and office building is Bandera, the leader of the Ukraine nazis in WW2 and most Ukrainian soldiers for the Azov Battalion have nazi tattoos. Zelensky is indeed a secular Jew and has a $15 million beach house in Israel purchased with bribes from the US.
I support a ceasefire in this stalemate which has frozen pretty much along the lines of the provinces that wanted out of Ukraine originally and which the 2014 treaty was to establish as autonomous. Not because I'm pro Putin or anti Zelinsky or a socialist or any other reason than that my country is obviously trying to extend the war and suffering and death for all thinking it will weaken Russia as an alternative power to US world dominance. But to urge continuation of killing for power ambition is unconscionable. These are human beings being used by the fascist state we've unfortunately devolved into. Yes, it's easy to run a country where everyone is indoctrinated with the same propaganda day after day and there's group think as opposed to access to facts. I'm personally not going to submit to that mindless acceptance of group think because it causes killing people marked as the inhumane "enemy" to be exterminated (for their own good- like the Vietnamese). It's a shame America has devolved into a fascist totalitarian 24-7 propaganda state with heavy censorship and canceling of people who have different views. But it's killing spree has to end. Death of every person in America in the coming nuclear war is not worth giving into the urge to belong and be silent, even if you support wars and killing lots of "them". 
Here's your Azov battalion. 
 

"independent thought" lol. you're mindlessly reciting the approved thought (and lies) of the world power regime like a parrot and calling it independent thought. all the political nuance of a north korean good citizen. all the smugness of a Hitler youth. but you've turned off any "thought" in favor of conformity.  

Ukraine signed a treaty in 2014 to end the civil war in Dombas after voters overwhelmingly voted for separation in two provinces (other provinces voted to stay in Ukraine).  Angela Merkel recently said the treaty was a farce to give Zelensky time to get US weapons to invade Donbas. He did get the weapons and he did invade Donbas and 14,000 human beings were killed by his revoking the peace treaty. The separation of the Soviet Ukrainian Republic from Russia has zero to do with  any of this except the borders were never historic Ukraine. Crimea, Yalta, Odessa have been Russian for hundreds of years. Catherine the Great built Odessa. The Russian nationality began in Kiev. People in Donbas despise western Ukrainians who they consider country bumpkins and who killed many Russians in World War 2 fighting for the Nazis. The national hero of Ukraine with portraits in every post office, school and office building is Bandera, the leader of the Ukraine nazis in WW2 and most Ukrainian soldiers for the Azov Battalion have nazi tattoos. Zelensky is indeed a secular Jew and has a $15 million beach house in Israel purchased with bribes from the US.
I support a ceasefire in this stalemate which has frozen pretty much along the lines of the provinces that wanted out of Ukraine originally and which the 2014 treaty was to establish as autonomous. Not because I'm pro Putin or anti Zelinsky or a socialist or any other reason than that my country is obviously trying to extend the war and suffering and death for all thinking it will weaken Russia as an alternative power to US world dominance. But to urge continuation of killing for power ambition is unconscionable. These are human beings being used by the fascist state we've unfortunately devolved into. Yes, it's easy to run a country where everyone is indoctrinated with the same propaganda day after day and there's group think as opposed to access to facts. I'm personally not going to submit to that mindless acceptance of group think because it causes killing people marked as the inhumane "enemy" to be exterminated (for their own good- like the Vietnamese). It's a shame America has devolved into a fascist totalitarian 24-7 propaganda state with heavy censorship and canceling of people who have different views. But it's killing spree has to end. Death of every person in America in the coming nuclear war is not worth giving into the urge to belong and be silent, even if you support wars and killing lots of "them". 
Here's your Azov battalion. 
 

My Lai !!

The US killed SEVEN MILLION PEOPLE in VietNam. (or do you prefer to call them "g**ks?). Then 1 million in Iraq ("sand n***ers"?). What other country comes close since then? I don't think defeating Russia needs be our main priority in the US. The world's biggest murderer is right here. But I don't blame patriots who love their country and fight for it trusting it's necessary. It's the regime in America that convinces them killing people is good when it's really only after preserving world domination for the white race (NATO), Wall Street, and the US war industry.  

the love of killing and war in people like you is just a poison that makes you a miserable person to others and yourself. there's few more horrible diseases you could be infected with than pride in killing others. 

Blatant lies loyally repeated by yet another Nazi clone. Do you a masturbate to babies having their heads cut off by US soldiers in Iraq? Do you wear necklaces of Vietnamese ears to bed? If your government told you to stick 6 million Jews in ovens you'd show up with red, white and blue pom-poms and zippo lighters to light the ovens. Because it's for their own good ! Because everyone knows it's good ! Uncritical support of America's continual war for world domination through continual genocide and destruction of other nations is on you. You have murdered more people than anyone could have imagined in the modern age.  I am a proud American and I want nothing to do with you robotic murderers who drag our country down to fascist levels. 

here's a great photo for you fascist murderers to masturbate to.
One of the 1 million Iraqis you recently murdered going door-to-door pulling boys as young as 4 out of their homes and putting bullets in their heads and so they'd never grow up to be big "sand ni**ers" as you call them.  Put your Vietnamese ear necklace on and jerk off looking at the butt crack of the dead body. USA! USA!
The world's biggest purveyor of war and death is now the US I'm ashamed to say. And you mindless pro-war followers of the fascist regime are the problem and the murderers. 

 

no. just as in nazi Germany, it's the pro-war, pro-world dominance majority, that's deranged but there are still enough of us with a conscience who don't get sucked into the war machine. 

It was Zelensky, at US urging, who invaded Dombas and murdered 14,000 people after he had signed a treaty recognizing it's autonomy to settle the civil war after the residents overwhelmingly voted to leave Ukraine and it's nazis. 
Ukraine is still pissed because the Russians came through in WW2 and let all the Jews out of their ovens
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"independent thought" lol. you're mindlessly reciting the approved thought (and lies) of the world power regime like a parrot and calling it independent thought. all the political nuance of a north korean good citizen. all the smugness of a Hitler youth. but you've turned off any "thought" in favor of conformity.  

Ukraine signed a treaty in 2014 to end the civil war in Dombas after voters overwhelmingly voted for separation in two provinces (other provinces voted to stay in Ukraine).  Angela Merkel recently said the treaty was a farce to give Zelensky time to get US weapons to invade Donbas. He did get the weapons and he did invade Donbas and 14,000 human beings were killed by his revoking the peace treaty. The separation of the Soviet Ukrainian Republic from Russia has zero to do with  any of this except the borders were never historic Ukraine. Crimea, Yalta, Odessa have been Russian for hundreds of years. Catherine the Great built Odessa. The Russian nationality began in Kiev. People in Donbas despise western Ukrainians who they consider country bumpkins and who killed many Russians in World War 2 fighting for the Nazis. The national hero of Ukraine with portraits in every post office, school and office building is Bandera, the leader of the Ukraine nazis in WW2 and most Ukrainian soldiers for the Azov Battalion have nazi tattoos. Zelensky is indeed a secular Jew and has a $15 million beach house in Israel purchased with bribes from the US.
I support a ceasefire in this stalemate which has frozen pretty much along the lines of the provinces that wanted out of Ukraine originally and which the 2014 treaty was to establish as autonomous. Not because I'm pro Putin or anti Zelinsky or a socialist or any other reason than that my country is obviously trying to extend the war and suffering and death for all thinking it will weaken Russia as an alternative power to US world dominance. But to urge continuation of killing for power ambition is unconscionable. These are human beings being used by the fascist state we've unfortunately devolved into. Yes, it's easy to run a country where everyone is indoctrinated with the same propaganda day after day and there's group think as opposed to access to facts. I'm personally not going to submit to that mindless acceptance of group think because it causes killing people marked as the inhumane "enemy" to be exterminated (for their own good- like the Vietnamese). It's a shame America has devolved into a fascist totalitarian 24-7 propaganda state with heavy censorship and canceling of people who have different views. But it's killing spree has to end. Death of every person in America in the coming nuclear war is not worth giving into the urge to belong and be silent, even if you support wars and killing lots of "them". 
Here's your Azov battalion. 
 

It was Zelensky, at US urging, who invaded Dombas and murdered 14,000 people after he had signed a treaty recognizing it's autonomy to settle the civil war after the residents overwhelmingly voted to leave Ukraine and it's nazis. 
Ukraine is still pissed because the Russians came through in WW2 and let all the Jews out of their ovens
.  

Blatant lies loyally repeated by yet another Nazi clone. Do you a masturbate to babies having their heads cut off by US soldiers in Iraq? Do you wear necklaces of Vietnamese ears to bed? If your government told you to stick 6 million Jews in ovens you'd show up with red, white and blue pom-poms and zippo lighters to light the ovens. Because it's for their own good ! Because everyone knows it's good ! Uncritical support of America's continual war for world domination through continual genocide and destruction of other nations is on you. You have murdered more people than anyone could have imagined in the modern age.  I am a proud American and I want nothing to do with you robotic murderers who drag our country down to fascist levels. 

It was Zelensky, at US urging, who invaded Dombas and murdered 14,000 people after he had signed a treaty recognizing it's autonomy to settle the civil war after the residents overwhelmingly voted to leave Ukraine and it's nazis. 
Ukraine is still pissed because the Russians came through in WW2 and let all the Jews out of their ovens
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no. just as in nazi Germany, it's the pro-war, pro-world dominance majority, that's deranged but there are still enough of us with a conscience who don't get sucked into the war machine. 

The US killed SEVEN MILLION PEOPLE in VietNam. (or do you prefer to call them "g**ks?). Then 1 million in Iraq ("sand n***ers"?). What other country comes close since then? I don't think defeating Russia needs be our main priority in the US. The world's biggest murderer is right here. But I don't blame patriots who love their country and fight for it trusting it's necessary. It's the regime in America that convinces them killing people is good when it's really only after preserving world domination for the white race (NATO), Wall Street, and the US war industry.  

My Lai !!

Julian Assange can't respond to you because he's been in prison for 15 years and Ed Snowden in exile can't either. I weep for the America I knew because we've become such a hate-filled war-loving country where most of our money goes to war and death and very little to the people. And between government censorship, the CIA's war narrative of the day, the regime media's war narrative of the day, how does anyone know what the truth is anymore. It's assumed we can't handle it and we're easier to govern by the regime if we are propagandized.  I don't know what country you're from but you're a 100% war and death-loving fascist. Killing people by the millions is not right. If you support it something is very wrong with you mentally.