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Don’t believe that dramatic tittle of the report. Yes, it was not one of best and memorable trips but still , when comes to boys, it brought plenty of fine moments. Still it did not work as planned and envisioned, partially because life intervened, partially because I made hasty decision so my sentiment reflected in the tittle about that trip is accurate. Original plane was 4 nights in Bangkok , followed by three in Pattaya, carefully chosen to coincide with show at The Best Bar in Jomtien as part of Maxhunt ( more about that in relevant part ) and then 6 days in Bangkok again. Then life happened, owing to family matters I was forced, or to be more accurate, I had chosen to be forced to cancel my original ticket. Since it was low cost non-refundable one and I never buy trip cancellation insurance, it meant I threw 700 USD it originally cost to the dust bin. They were other related costs amounting to roughly the same , before I stepped out of plane in Bangkok, three day later than planned, I lost about 1400 $. No wonder I’m glad it’s over. Still , mind you I opted for that misery and I’m glad I did. Life, sigh. Then before I even left home I noticed that one of my boys, lets call him Cambodian Boy (CB), changed his Line avatar to something teary. So out of curiosity I asked him if all is ok. It was not as he explained. Due to border dispute between Thailand and Cambodia he was forced to leave his bar job , returned home but told me he will come on 14 to utilize his 7 day visa, all currently available. I did not spill the beans that I should be in Bangkok for part of his time there but I knew that first bar I visit will be Moonlight hoping for that big smile of surprise. Anyways after all those tribulation , instead of Sunday I landed in Bangkok on Wednesday after having extremely pleasant last leg from Doha with all three seats in my row at my disposal. Day1 Landed early afternoon which is the best time as removes all problems with early check in in hotel and allows to change money at best places. Immigration was a breeze this time , 5 minutes and I was out. Speaking about changing money, in the basement by railway station I got 37.10 for euro, and assumption that it was the best rate lasted only until arrival at Phaya Thai station. Immediately after one leaves paid area there are two booths and one offered 37.28 and next one even 37.30. That rate , by the way was matched by XOne hour or two later. My original plan was to stay in Baan Silom but since my 4 night shrunk to one I went for Raya. Owing to low season that had very friendly rates. Settling there I went to post office as had something to mail , then to XOne to change more money and finally to Foodland for my first chicken with cashews – sadly , this time very average. I love that first day there when I’m settling for promising trip buying necessities and checking what is new. Building rising out of soi Twilight ashes is almost completed , that was big and tall new thing. At 8 p.m. I parked myself in front of Banana Club , soon joined for a beer by one of their guys but since he is diminutive guy I was plain social occasion. Still gave him 2 reds for his company by way of patented ‘vinapu tuck”. Then he went inside and I strolled through both Patpongs , in Patpong 2 enthusiastically welcomed buy some guys knowing me from better times. I was tempted to enter Atlas as boys on the stage were in pure and tempting view but one of them spotted me , went down from the stage and immediately lowered his briefs asking for a tip ”for food”. That was bit too fast so I politely explained I just arrived and did not have a chance to change money and declined invitation by boss himself to step inside. At that moment I was not even sure I will go inside that trip at all. I don’t mind spreading money but such antics were too fast moving for my taste. At 10pm. I went to Moonlight and this is what I reported in “Patpong” thread on that day : “I was customer #6 . When show started at 10.30 grand total 12 customers. 10 models, Mean returned but Babe not present. New guy Joey with broad smile quite impressive. About 8 floor boys but regretfully none of two I was hoping to see. At least 3 boys offed including both Lao brothers and guy taken by one who took over Vinapu's account.” . I was disappointed I did not see neither CB nor Y but at least M I offed twice in winter was on the stage and just before I was about to leave bar I motioned him to dress bypassing mamasan who use to leech to me from minute on I show in. It must be dearth of clients because even one of their models I had pleasure with before come to shake hands and exclaim ‘ long time no see you “. Light dinner in Happy Beer Garden and soon M and I were in my room . M is not long time material and I did not expect him to stay past normal short time but low season kicked in and it was already 5 am when he suggested he will go home. Nice surprise for start of trip earning him extra 1000 in the process.

Day 5 It didn’t start well. It was dawning when I woke up and noticed swollen lip- allergy , which is tormenting me this trip and also at home after return. Good thing I had a pill and took it, returned to bed but sensibly set alarm for 10 am. Zyrtec works as sleeping pill as well and I dd not want to miss breakfast , not to mention bus. Message on Line from CB, he already arrived in Bangkok this morning so I instructed him to wait fort me at 3 pm in the lobby of new Nishitetsu hotel by soi 4 as I decided to check it for one night. Indeed everything worked, 12 noon bus arrived at Swampy at 1.30and it was exactly 2.55 pm when I entered lobby. No CB in sight but I checked in, left them his name and asked them to hive him his own card and went up to the room. All fine, room new and shiny . I already posted some pictures of it in Hotels thread. https://www.gayguides.com/topic/68180-bkk-hotels-pros-cons/page/3/#comment-465959 Particularly impressive was safe fitting one of desk drawers. There’s no window in the room but there’ one in bathroom so there is way of seeing day from night. All in , I liked it and stay there two times- first and last. Reason is economical – for half price I have twice as big room in Raya with the same conveniences. But if you like new and shiny places – go for it by every mean. When in shower I heard door opening – CB arrived and promptly joined me in the shower. Some reunion gymnastics and we went to Foodland to eat something. While strolling around we met one of Moonlight boys and masseur from one of soi 6 shops who also works as go-go at Good Boys after hours. He was surprised to see me and promptly complained I did not tell him I’m coming. I told him “ I like that surprise smile on your face “ which is actually true.. We returned to hotel with me hoping for another round of reunion gymnastics but it seemed CB had other ideas like glue himself to his phone. We met many times and even travelled together but that was side of him I did not know. I guess whole 7 day only visa situation and resulting loss of earnings is stressing him immensely but while I understand it, not necessarily I must to like it. I told him frankly that if he wants to utilize fact that he has free accommodation with me this week he can go to work in bar to get some cash – it’s why, among other things I asked for his own kye card to the room so he can come and go freely. Some how he did not like that idea, asked instead if I will be hitting bars tonight and expressed desire to accompany me there, wherever I will be going. Today’s goal was clear – grand opening of Than Tawan in former The One and earlier Tawan location. Those are my impressions from Grand Opening I posted on the forum already in Patpong thread : “Yesterday I went to new Than Tawan to see their great opening in former The One and earlier , Tawan site. When we entered ( I went with boy at his urging ) only 2 other customers already but by time show started crowd swelled to respectable 12 including young Indian straight couple. To summarize new venue , it's just more of the same we knew from Tawan and The One. When we entered on stage two guys presented themselves, both not bad looking but first time I saw them was in Arena Bank in 2013. I'm kidding you not. So much about fresh blood on the market. Show itself usual blend of lip syncing and muscle flexing, nothing risky or compromising other than simulated BJ and big cock parade. And of course, performers solicit tip after circulating among audience. In short, it's still renamed Tawan or The One. No fresh blood and no fresh ideas. For this who liked all format it's sucessful resurrection. For those hoping for new kind of thrills, we'll look somewhere else. Final note - best looking was one of waiters, unfortunately uniformed all the time” After show, at 11 pm. Or so we went to Jupiter. And those are my impressions already posted : “we went to Jupiter where upon entry at 11.05p.m. We were treated to coveted seats right under the speaker which was blasting at 1. 5 capacity plus something. Noting new there either but show, was well attended and, what I hate there, most of prime seats were reserved for better customers which I understand but still hate. Noting new includes fortunately fact that all guys were very good looking and they managed to add quite a few new bodies I did not see before. Common wisdom in bars is that if guy doesn't wear the number, he is already booked or not available for an off. We'll it is not necessary correct as after show it was, at least for me, quite clear that some non numbered guys are still looking expectantly at customers of both genders. No idea how it works but my advice will be if one has hots for them boy it's better not to trust bar liturgy but get that "no" or even better "yes" from either mamasan or as I would prefer, from boy himself. “ After those bar forays we went to Patpong night market fort banana pancakes and then final to the room for steamy gymnastics. It looks that at night CB has less desire to clutch his phone and can’t say a bad word about his performance but it clearly looks I will need to entertain him in day time and it’s not exactly what I was hoping for . But since I invited him I need to carry on hoping for the best.

Day 3 Breakfast at Zing is in my opinion very good value at 189 baht for quite extensive selection. At the moment they have even promotion, if you buy 3 times , 4th is free. Track is kept on card they gave me when I bought 1st one. One of massage guys from Jomtien Complex I engaged few times in the past probably spied me on Grindr or passing by with my friend through the Complex yesterday because out of blue he sent me a message this morning so I invited him for 1 pm to come and check how he likes my room. We did not bother with massage and it was kind of kissy-huggy reunion. For dinner I decided to try recommended by few Sophia’s Kitchen opposite Dick’s in the Complex and indeed their chicken with cashews is one of best I had ever. Complex is busy preparing for Pride Night tonight with 2 stages set up so my hope is that famous Max will grace that night with his presence at The Best Bar. Early evening as arranged yesterday my guy from Dreamboys showed up and today’s session was even better and hotter than last night to a degree that I forced additional 1000 baht on him upon learning that tomorrow he is going home for a few days. Hope to see him again whenever I will be in Pattaya. I need to find a way of hosting him overnight, good sign was that today he did not say no when I revealed my plans about future. I liked he did not promise anything but said he feel more comfortable with me now and will think about that. Okey, okey Well after dark I went to Supertown filled with expectation that my Maxhunt will materialize. Lots of people everywhere and truly festive atmosphere. I parked myself at The Beast Bar but no, there was no Max in sight. I was watching shows produced by every bat on the stage in front of The Venue but Max was missing when his bar was presenting their part. Oh well, there’s always tomorrow, also day when he normally performs there. My beer was brought to my table by very manly faced Lao twink so after few sips I offered him a drink. By time I decided to call night off I consumed two and he 4 bottles of Chang. Not sure who first suggested we go home together but certainly we had the same in mind so of we went. While I was disappointed with Max absence , at least I satiated another curiosity. In @Home bar I noticed muscular guy I stalk on Grindr who advertises he likes kissing. Had I noticed him earlier I’d try to engage hi but now it was too late and may be it was good after all. While passing by I gave him red note to signal my interest and reaction was somewhat strange, instead of expected smile, wai and thank you I got kind of grimace one sees when somebody almost steps on dead rat or dog’s poo on the pavement. But no, he did not give me note back so not being sure what I’m supposed to think I just kept walking with my guy in tow. On our way we met aussie_ from forum celebrating night with his friends. To hotel we went in style – both of us on the same motorsai, clearly twinks have advantages of not taking so much space. By his own admission he started his work in the bar only few weeks before so lack of experience was visible but was offset by clear willingness to do the best o earn his tip. Me and twink and happy with him ! End must be near. It was already dawning when he asked for permission to go home which was granted . after he left I slept quite well till quarter to 11 am. I barely made to the breakfast but I did it !!

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No , absolutely you were not cheapskate. While those days quite a few boys may ask 4000 or 5000 for overnight, certainly that should not be a case when boy is staying with you for several days for two reasons : a/ you are fully entitled to substantial volume discount as boy secures income for that same period b/if boy stay with you , not only you will pay off fee but for his meals and entertainment. You both go to the bar - you pay yours and his drink so 500 becomes 1000 etc. while 2500 / day may be on lower side is still very reasonable and I'd say 3000 is absolute maximum. fact that you paid him 5000 to avoid scene is OK but after that you made two serious mistakes - buying his meal and paying for his barber. Nothing wrong with that in general but not after you have feeling you already overpaid him for your overnight session. Good to hear you regained your sense and refused taxi money, I would be using plain language " I already gave you enough ( or plenty ) " - this is what I say when they ask for taxi money. That part of your report "He then wants to rest back my hotel because he was tired and upon arriving to my room, he flops on the couch fully dressed facing away from me and starts to watch tik tok videos on his phone and then falls asleep." should be warning signal for you. If you , God Almighty forbids , go with your plan , expect more of that day after day to a point that you will wonder who really is in charge of your space and time. It's different story to take boy for a trip when both of you are travelling which is different dynamics than host and overstaying welcome guest Do you really want to play host to somebody who treats you that way and gets paid for that ? four advices from me since you asked although I have my doubts you had me in mind when you said 'learned forum members" : A/ if sex is great engage him for overnights or short times as often as you wish, pay him and send him home after each session but forget about having him as permanent resident as fast it will become taking toll on you and your vacation time due to need to entertain him and bar with his antics B/ invite him ( or any other boy you meet) for a meal and pay for his taxi but ONLY if you feel like , not because he asks. Otherwise taxi money of 100 today will become 300 by next Wednesday etc. C/ do not be concerned about him losing face with his friends. You are on vacations , not on boys therapeutic session. It's for him to navigate that with his friends D/ you may want to read my last trip report as I put myself in the same situation for a week month ago. Difference was that my boy was well rehearsed before and did not put any direct financial requests. Still it was tiring to have somebody in the room constantly or asking him to leave when I wanted to have some time for myself (and perhaps other guest) . And of course all those expenses added up

Day 8 Good night sleep proved priceless. At 8.20 I woke up , refreshed and went to Unesco acclaimed Foodland for breakfast and chat with reader, our former poster. I needed shoulder to cry figuratively speaking as while I have fun this trip is not as much as I both expected and hoped for. Upon returning to the room some news from CB, guy who was supposed to carry him over border declined a job , but CB’s his friend in similar situation is flying to Phnom Penh on Friday morning and he asked if I can buy him a ticket for the same flight. As Obama would say ‘ yes I can” , fired up my smartphone and in few minutes we had ticket, slightly under 80$ one way. He was not very happy with such arrangement as he still needs to travel about 5 hrs to his home town but at least that is solution to closed land borders. I was happy because it was cheaper option that one previously tabled. Still it seems it’s hard to get him to be bit more intimate today so seeing that I decided to go for a walk which handily brought me to Arena, what a coincidence I’m telling you ! Art , the mamas an welcomed me heartily , invited to ogle his staff on duty . There were 6 boys-it was early afternoon , all super manly so I picked up one I had massage with last year. I even remembered where he is from but this time famous boys memory did not serve him well and he did not remember me at all and was surprised when I showed him I have him on my Line. Session went well to very well although was bit rushed , we were done in 65 minutes out of 90 mins session but I decided not to create any fuss. I guess I was not in my normal mood as well plus he was shaved “there” which is something I don’t really dream about. Upon returning to the room what I saw ? of course CB on his smartphone. I suggested farang food today and decided to give him a taste of Bangkok public transit so we took bus to Charoen Krung hoping Madrid Tavern or , how it’s called now Madrid Café , will be opened but it was not. On corner of Silom and Charoen Krung we spotted Arab restaurant and CB , clearly hungry suggested we go there. It was well patronized at the moment but they found us a table, he was happier with his meal selection than me but at least I did no leave hungry. They had nice tasting Australian root beer. Then in moment of enlightenment I suggested Asiatique . Hard to believe neither one of us was never there. It was easy to get to as most Charoen Krung buses are going there. Nice setting on the banks of Chao Praya with lots of shops and restaurants and crowded with tourists. I liked Ferris Wheel so we went there, not particularly cheap at 800 baht a ride but it was worth it for a view from above and even better, since we were alone in the cabin we did some ‘ adults only stuff, nothing drastic but it was sneaky fun , stolen kiss here, , misplaced hand there, you get the picture. Best part it looks that gloom finally left CB and from then on things were more like in good old days. Returned home by bus / BTS combination ( there’s direct bus to and from Silom to Asiatique but after 10 mins of waiting I decided to jump on first going toward station ). Around 10 we , at CB suggestion , went to Dreamboys . Far from crowded , certainly more boys than customers. Novelty was quite big, 7 or 8 strong, pack of Indian tourists of mixed gender Not long ago almost impossible to see them I bars, now they are almost everywhere. Funny part was they couldn’t figure out what the best spot is and changed seats at least 3 times. Plan was to go to Atlas afterwards but when I confessed to CB that I like certain boy he said ‘buy him a drink “ so I called him over. It turned they hey know each other AND , later one in the room I discovered that he has profile on Grindr I’m following and even exchanged few messages with. Of course his profile picture showed him much taller and bit more muscular than original but no to a degree it was misleading. We hit it on from minute one so when he suggested we go to Jupiter because he never saw show there I was happy to oblige. At 11 p.m., few customers in Jupiter, again less than boys on the stage but it was blessing as we got prime seats by the side of the stage, not in some obscure corner. Even better, shortage of clients made , normally sober looking boys , smiling at customers including me , even if there I’m almost unknown nobody and tonight I was winged by two boys already. I noticed another boy I’m watching on Grindr and treated him to no less than 3 red notes during three walkabouts when we were there – investment for a future. I informed CB that our buy from Dreamboys is going with us and he was quite OK with it although disclaimed that he will not participate in activities because he is his friend. At midnight we left or first tried to leave, shockingly mamas an demanded I pay 500 off fee for taking a boy from bar. WTF ? I brought both boys with me , one of them used to work there for short period shortly after covid , another one was never inside ! But it seemed no to register, only when both boys were involved it turned out he took Dreamboy for somebody else – one of his own staff !. And we are talking about mamas an I saw there few times before. Anyways boys sorted it out before it escalated to ruckus but that is warning to everybody- stand your ground. I was more amazed than upset. We went to Foodland to east something where we joined reader already there and them went to the room where CB finally could stick to his phone uninterrupted – for prolonged time he tactfully retired to the bathroom . Every trip we meet the precious boy about existence of we never had idea before and this was this trip case. Sure I saw him on Grindr but did not even connect that boy to one I had in my room until he already pointed hat we exchanged some messages few days ago . Certainly it was best meeting of this trip, active , endowed , master kisser, you name it. Too bad he was booked tomorrow and is also leaving Thailand on Friday. Whenever I return, I know for whom I will be looking for. I gave him 1000 more than we agreed for and it was certainly well deserved and even better , worked for.

Day 2 From today I’m on my original schedule and It was day of move to Pattaya. Hope was to catch a glimpse of half legendary dancer Max of The Best Bar who is supposed to perform there tomorrow and after tomorrow hence this part of trip I call Maxhunt. In the morning I messaged CB asking about absence last night. It turned out he was still at home but offered to come to Bangkok as soon as today if I let him to stay with me because he no longer has his room. I agreed but told him that I’m heading to Pattaya and advised him to come in 3 days. I had enough sense to secure some freedom and told him if I will bring another boy he must stay out of room for a period. He agreed and it looked we both are happy with that arrangement. I secured guy for Bangkok nights and was hoping that he utilize free accommodation to work at bar and get some more money during his 7 day visa validity. Breakfast at Foodland with reader from forum , we exchanged recent news and gossips , then I sorted my stuff in the room and left some goodies in deposit as I will be returning to the Raya. Then off to the airport to catch the bus. I had reservation made at home but low season showed, at 11.45 there were still tickets available for 12.00 noon. But bus departed full so I guess somebody got lucky at the last minute. Second time in row I opted to mid-way and stay in Zing hotel on main street , half way between Jomtien and Pattaya proper. What was even better , it was free as I had some miles expiring at end of month and decided to utilize them that way. Breakfast at 189 per person was to be paid separately. I dumped my stuff and went to Jomtien Complex to meet friend who used to post here as z909 few years ago, It was his last day so we talked about 1 hr and then parted ways. In the evening I went to Boyztown, first dinner in Bay View restaurant on Beach Rd then parked myself at Pikky over beer and watched goings in the soi. Sadly not much was going on. Only two freelance masseurs on duty, one of them I noticed gained some weight since I saw him last year. I saw boys from BBB going in but must say, only few impressed me to a degree. Mamasan Lek spotted me and beamed smile but this time I decided to continue boycott of that bar I once considered best in whole Thailand as 1050 off fee and stage filled with boys fully dressed coupled with smoking inside and deafening music is bot exactly what I like. At 10 p.m. I moved to Dreamboys , hoping at least one of two boys I met there last year will be there. And yes, sun shined on me, #37 was in the back of the stage . He was kind of confused at first why that old troll is smiling at him but after 5 seconds he beamed smile my way and I made gesture inviting him to sit beside. Not only he recalled me and hotel where we met 3 times but immediately asked ‘ where is your Asian friend in glasses “ ? clearly remembering I was with 18past19 then . Deal was sealed with disclaimer that I pick him up but after I see show in XBoys. Not sure who was first suggesting he may go with me to which I agreed and we crossed the soi and entered XBoys exactly in the moment of insertion in progressive part of 10 pm show. Speaking about timing ! We got seats in the first row in front on the scene and enjoyed what we saw. He told me he never saw that show and judging by his reactions he did not make it up. After main show finished with another progressive part included with the same bottom but different top, at midnight we took two motorsais and went to hotel to do our part of progressive life. Looking back , it was one of best moments of that trip. We agreed for repeat tomorrow after he finished his daytime job and before he will go to the bar.

I would have cut this off very early with “I just don’t think this is going to work out.” Just move on.

Day 10 , last one We waked up at 6 am, of course it was me who set up an alarm clock, CB preparing for flight spent quite a time in front of the mirror and as result I told him we are skipping breakfast as there’s danger of being late for flight. He suggested taxi butat morning hour I doubted it will be best idea so we went BTS+ARL way. In airport all went well. Last hugs and discreet kiss on the chin and he went to security and I returned to hotel by the way of Foodland. Today is my last day and finally I’m free to do what I want but it did not work as planned. Right upon returning to the room an allergy hit me, third bout third month . Sudden swell around right eye and chin. I was prepared with the pill and took it but that in turn made me sleepy so between 10 and noon I slept like a stone. When woke up , at least I looked better and felt better too. At 1.30 meetup with reader in Foodland, our last chance to talk this trip perhaps. Then stroll to soi where Nature Boy bar is as I wanted to try new Pheromone massage place , hoping I will snatch handsome guy I already spotted few times while walking by. He was there eating something so I decide to return in 15 mins. He was not there , I asked guy on reception if he is available and he laughed – he is the boss and is not giving massages. Ouch ! So I settled for 2nd best. Massage was good , afters could use more enthusiasm but still satisfactory. I left happy even if bit disappointed that boss was not available . Hope next time he will change his mind. Then rain started so I headed to the room via 7/11 to stock on supplies as I decided to finish this trip with the bang and organized sequence of visits by two of few my most favorite guys of all times. First , at 4.30 was former model X. I did not see him for few trips which he commented upon entry “ I did not see you long time, you are bored with me ? ‘ which was not a case but reason for bit of break was that on our last meeting he committed three sins at once : arrived late . was bit drunk and was rushing though the session like he had another appointment. It never happened before so the I decided to give us a break. But since I like him a lot in every sense , personality , body , endowment and work ethics I decided that what was supposed his penalty become my own and contacted him as soon as I had chance. Great session and great guy who has good sense of what I want from him. Professional in every sense. Shedding clothing right upon entry and when at one point he went to the loo to pee , he went under shower right after to wash his hose. No rushing this time at all. He told me a bit about his new girlfriend who apparently doesn’t mind him engage with men from time to time as long as it brings money home. Normally we would for a meal but I excused myself from accompanying him this time as soon after he left I had another star to arrive , Y. He used to be in Moonlight but in January he took time off. Was seen by my friend once at Jupiter but it looks that he got some other opportunities and for a moment he is not attached to any bar. He came with small bag and as it turned it was gift for me , elephant shirt. I was moved, I truly was It’s not a shirt but a gesture !!! If X is professional, Y is super professional who knows how to show appreciation for my multiple offs of him in the past, Last time we met he showed me pics of his home and said that it was partially built with my money – which boy would say such thing even if indeed over years he made some money of me , all well deserved. Our time today was more romantic than steamy , simply because this is how I wanted to finish this trip and my guy, professional in every inch sensed it and acted accordingly. So while this trip was of doubtful memorability for few reasons my last day, particularly 2nd half of it was one of best ever. I did not leave Thailand yet and was already thinking about when next foray there may be. At midnight we went to G’s to eat something, Y went home and I returned to hotel to pack. I had 4 cans of Chang in the fridge so took them to Patpong and gave to one of Freshboys barkers. There was no problem of getting passing taxi at 1.30 am and in about 30 minutes I was already lining up for security in Swampy. My 39th trip was over and thank God for that. One can’t return without leaving at the first place. Too late for summary today , I will write something , hopefully tomorrow

Day 6 After breakfast at Foodland we had mixture of steam and boredom in the room as CB clearly was hooked to his phone and seemed to constantly check something there so whenever I tried to be more personal so to speak , after while it was clear his mind is somewhere else. Good thing I, liking him , endured quietly until he finally spilled the beans . Cambodian Prome Miniter closed all land crossings with Thailand and asked Cambodians in Thailand to return home. That was reason he seemed so uneasy. At noon we left our room in Nishitetsu and walked to Raya, hoping room will be available as they are known for not allowing check in before 3. Not this time, room was ready so we settled in and parted ways . I went to Sizzler at it’s new location in Park Silom for buffet salad lunch with Christian PFC and CB went to meet somebody who would transfer him trough the border in few days when his 7 day stay expires instead of leaving immediately as asked by his Prime Minister. Real mess politics created for those guys I must admit. Salad bar at Sizzler is not just greenery , for 199 ( Christian even managed to get some coupon for 40 baht off) is not only vast selection of veggies but also pasta and soups, in short one can have real meal for relative peanuts. We had good time eating and chatting as always. When I returned to the room CB was still absent but he has own card so we agreed we are free to come and go as we need. I decided to wait for him doing some house keeping in meantime and did my daily money count – amazingly this is my day 6 and all I can’t account for is 28 baht. He showed up clearly hungry – ‘eating ‘was his first word upon entry . He seemed to be in good mood but instead on cashing in on it off to Foodland we went for a meal, I just had my chicken rice soup for 62 baht which is my meal of choice when I’m not that hungry but accompany somebody who is. Back in the room he told me somebody will help him through the border on his last day for 2500 so no need for him to leave immediately. So we celebrated good news where anybody reading it expects – in the shower and in the bed ( and then in the shower again ). Goes without saying I secured his good performance by offering to fork out that 2500 for that ’ helper ‘. Evening saw us at G’s and then we crossed the soi to visit Banana Club where CB was recognized by some staff and boys and shamelessly I must say , so did I . As usual at Banana boys have little time to present themselves , but at one point they did, most next door types. Thay may lack muscles but big cock show revealed few impressive specimens including 2 transplants, one from Freshboys, another one from Hot Male. Bar was about half full between 9.30 and 11. Next station was Freshboys between 11 and midnight with the same level of attendance – about half full. Quite a few cocks on display , I liked the show even if guys there are not exactly my types . Toward midnight quite a few guys sitting with customers or already offed so even in low season bar seems to be doing quite well .

100%.... He would've been out the door at the mention of 5k per day..... and a haircut, I have clippers, I'd offer to give him a haircut. I give OP credit to have the 🏀🏀 to write honestly about his day.... I'm sure everyone's blood pressure was going up at each step, thinking how they'd never do that, when in reality some would do exactly the same and never talk about it, lol

Summary One must wonder WTF this vinapu wants? It looks like quite pleasant trip , why that idiot proclaims to be relieved it’s over invoking very name of God? And I wouldn’t blame anybody for this line of thinking but there were few points which made me thinking along lines I did. First this trip was part of bigger trip in which I visited few countries ( my Thai bound flights were from and to Madrid ) and my relatives. While tourist part was excellent- never been to Spain before and fell in love with country from first sight as they say, family part was kind of uneven as I was placed by them in no-win situation which actually costed me money and forced me to cancel my originally booked flights. At end of day it was to serve somebody’s vanity and that person was not me. Worst part was not change of plans neither loss of money but very fact that nobody even bothered to ask me if that perhaps is the case. At end of day it worked well but bitter taste will linger for long time. Second was over optimistic decision to offer CB week long stay with me. As it turned, even if somebody is very well and very satisfactory rehearsed in the past, both on temporary assignments and travelling together, being together under one roof in place where one ordinary spends vacations ( me) or lives (CB ) has own dynamics and it did not work well for me , if only because our time together coincided with almost whole Thai part of the trip. It would be different if it was just 1 week out of 3 or 4. I was not mentally prepared for need to entertain somebody day after day ( nights were exponentially better excluding one , which I already wrote about) with very little room for my personal enjoyment of my , after all, own vacation time. As somebody above remarked , in cases like that we need to leave our companion a lot of personal time but what if companion doesn’t want to use that granted freedom for whatever reasons ? Add to it unhappy circumstances CB found himself in due to political situation and we have what I had – sharing room with somebody whose mind was somewhere else for most of time and we have prescription for problems. To credit of both of us we somehow managed to put it through without any awkwardness but for me it was not a dream Thai vacation , that’s for sure. Failure to succeed in Maxhunt added to sense of time not entirely well spent but there were very bright moments – by coincidence both provided by Dreamboy personnel, both in Pattaya an Bangkok and certainly my last two guys X and Y lifted my spirits with their company on the last day.

I went to the Atlas last night, not expecting much, being early in the week.....maybe a rehash of the show I saw last weekend. There were several customers already there, many of them being women. Also a group of enthusiastic Australian men, a handful of Asians as well as others on their own. The lineup for the show was completely different from the weekend. There were far fewer guys for a start and many were in very good shape. I actually really enjoyed one of the ladyboy's routines too. She had a permanent smile while lit up the room and great personality and audience participation. Later during the show a farang entered the bar and two of the bodybuilders immediately went and sat next to him and before you knew it they had a can each. I guess he's a regular. He might have offed one of the guys, but the other one was still there at the end of the evening. By the end of the show everyone had trickled out, leaving yours truly by myself, staring at the stage where no more than 10 guys were standing. At the weekend the stage was crowded, many of whom were well toned, but not with huge muscularity. But it was a different scenario last night. One was a large competitive bodybuilder, another an off-season bodybuilder. Two other muscular, well toned guys as well as other guys in good shape. Even though I was the only customer, I was approached quietly but not at all pushy by one of the staff. Now what an enormous decision to make. Talk about being spoiled for choice. The guy I usually "off" wasn't working last night. I know he would have immediately made a beeline for me. Much as I like him so much and will go with him again, I was secretly glad that I had the opportunity to pick someone else for a change. So I went for the competitive bodybuilder, who was wearing glasses. He told me it would be 3000 baht, but that's how much I give to my regular guy anyway. He drove me back to Quarter Silom on his scooter. He didn't seem to know the hotel, surprisingly enough. He's a humble, friendly, accommodating guy and he was fine with kissing. We did most of our antics in the shower too. This was a great evening. It was as if The Tawan had reinvented itself in a new bar. Maybe it was similar at Tawan the same night. Who knows. So the moral of the story is not to write off a bar after one visit and not to assume that weeknights won't be worth it.

Day 9 CB perhaps sensed competition as his mood today Is completely different, nice to observe he become his former self. Caring and engaging, suddenly phone is left undisturbed and no rush to leave bed in the morning. Seeing that, I promised him to escort him to Swampy for his tomorrow’s flight in the morning, another morale boost and right after breakfast, when we returned to hotel I gave him 40 $ for costs of getting home from Phnom Penh tomorrow and paid him , as he wished on our 1st day together tips for his time with me this week. Financial matter settled I suggested we go to Golden Mount temple vis Saen Saep canal boat. He never went there that way and was not even aware about that commuter boat. So off we went. BTS to National Stadium, then short walk to the boat and at terminal another short walk to the temple itself. He was serious with his prayers and I soaked in the atmosphere, enjoying nice breeze from the roof. Very calming experience for both of us. We returned straight to Foodland for a meal and then retired to the room. With phone abandoned we were forced to find ways to be entertained and surprisingly solution came to our minds very easily . At 6 pm. I excused myself and went to Foodland to meet Peter PS. It was our first meetup ever and we had pleasant hour of conversation , more about the life than debaucheries actually. Then Peter went shopping and I had drink with P in Former Hot Male beer bar, whatever it’s new name is. P was quite clingy , another sign of dearth of customers and if I was alone I’d off him tonight on the spot In the evening CB and I went to Atlas , no customers when we entered but by time show starter about dozen assembled , I noticed 4 new bodies, I’d classify them as twunks, well built but not over built and all with very handsome faces. Over evening I made sure all got treated with tip. Show was bit shortened with no risky components other than big cock show with participants cruising for tips. Nop , the veteran got one from me. How come with his great built I never offed him is mystery I can’t answer . It just did not happen I guess. Something to look for in the future. After show we went straight to the room for out last night together but festivities were bit shortened keeping in mind that we need to wake up at 6 to catch his morning flight . It was nice to see and sample today CB as his former self .

So, apologies in advance for the lack of sexy bits in this trip report. It’s more about my encounters with an upwardly mobile Cambodian extended family, and their incredible kindness towards me on my trip. ( I do finally get to visit SpaceHair at the end) So some background, I’m 60, been following the various thai forums off and on for 20 years and always dreamed about moving to thailand, but life got in the way, and this is my first trip to Asia. I live and work in an extremely multicultural area of Southern California and one of my colleagues is Nat, 43, straight guy from Cambodia who has become a good friend. Nat moved to the USA about 8 years ago, and subsequently brought his parents over and recently his 10 year old daughter. I am in the process of retiring from my job and and I have a few months of sick leave to burn so I start planning a month long trip to thailand to explore if I might want to retire here. Nat tells me he’s going to be in Cambodia at the same time taking his parents back to live with other siblings, and so his daughter can spend summer vacation with her mom. “Why don’t you come over and I’ll show you some of Cambodia while you’re in the area.” Sounds like a good idea, when am I going to get a local friend to show me around? My ticket to Bangkok is already purchased and is for four days ahead of Nat so I book myself two days at The Banyan Tree and then two days in Phnom Penh at the Harmony House. I spent my days in Bangkok walking around Lumpini park and Silom, and basically falling into a coma at 4pm. Go back to the airport to fly to Phnom Penh, Sky Anker line is a mile long but I’m early so it’s ok. Finally get to the front of the line “sorry, you can’t board, you don’t have a departure ticket. Ok, no problem, sell me a return ticket for a week from now. Sorry, no can, you have to do it on your phone and get in line again.” I kind of knew that an outbound ticket was required but I’d forgotten it so I practice my zen and then go back to the end of the line and start trying to buy a ticket on my phone. By the time I get back to the front of the line I have the ticket bought but the transaction won’t finalize. I show the counter agent the spinning hourglass on their website and she just sighs. “How much cash do you have on you?” Apparently if I can prove that I won’t be a burden to Cambodia she wont get in trouble for letting me on the plane. The $400 I had in USD and Baht caused her to sigh again, “Keep trying to buy ticket and show me at the gate.” She checks my luggage in and gives me a boarding pass. I get to the gate, ticket still isn’t ready so I cancel it and go on expedia and buy a refundable ticket that I can cancel after I get through immigration in Phnom Penh. Visa on arrival quick and easy, Cambodia also makes you preregister ahead of time like Thailand. No one ever checked the return ticket. Arrive in Phnom Penh, take a grab car from the airport to my hotel. Am overwhelmed in a good and exciting way by the utter chaos and lack of traffic lights on the roads. When we get to the hotel in the Riverside Neighborhood I just break out into applause for the driver. He just laughs and holds up his hand and says “5stars” Nat had not seemed happy that I had booked a hotel in the Riverside Neighborhood, and had cautioned me about it. I had watched videos and it seemed fine, but I can see why a local might be a little embarrassed by some of it. I have never felt more handsome. The Harmony House was nice, with a rooftop pool and bar. My room had a cute balcony facing the street. Just beyond the hotel the street turns into a street market that I thought was cute until I was woke up at 5am to chickens and ducks being butchered. You gotta just laugh sometimes. More to come, hopefully the Thailand parts will be more sexy. I have just enjoyed these forums so much over the years and want to give whatever I can back.

The parameters of this are huge because there is nothing set in stone, and all up for negotiation with your chosen boy. I have 'met' boys for the first time only at the actual threshold of my hotel door having found and engaged them via Hornet or Thai Friendly. They turn up at you door, knowing that they are there to provide sex for an agreed sum; they perform their job, gratefully accept their remuneration and, are off out the door again. Other boys you meet in the bars and 'break-the-ice' over a drink or two with them before offing them (or not - depending on how your drinks interview has gone). If you do off them, then you might well have already had a discussion about 'what next?', straight back to the room and have-at-it?, or eat first?, or go for another drink somewhere else? You might well have had the short-time/long-time discussion; personally I generally prefer to opt for short-time for a first visit. It is always far easier to turn a short-time into a long-time if things go well, than to try and turn a previously agreed long-time into short-time if things didn't go so well. Once you have had that initial short-time with a boy you will be thinking whether he will be just a a one-off so to speak, or whether you are going to want to see him again. If the latter that is when I start to invite them to eat with me first/afterwards, or whether to suggest a night out bar-hopping, or dancing at Stonehouse or Sinlapin perhaps as part of their next visit. I now have an established little band of 'regulars' that usually just slot into my daily social calendar as is conveniant to both of us, sometimes its an afternoon short-time with food and/or swimming in the hotel pool, sometimes its going to be a drunken long-time evening with sex in the morning. Its whatever and whenever you both want it to be

Generally I like to go have drinks or eat somewhere, not just back to the room for sex express. Like Zombie said, be very clear about what you want...some guys are in a rush to get back to maybe have another off or just be back with their friends, our fun isn't always fun for them....and vice versa, what we liked in the bar might, you might not be feeling the same once they get offed. I've had a number of guys that I regretted within 5 minutes of walking out the door 😳 Some guys don't drink or like to drink, I'm seeing this more in other countries as well, fewer drinkers and fewer that like going to bars/clubs. As far as payment, even when guys wherever mention per hour.... I say, per session. Thailand was always short time or long time.... short time was understood to be a couple of 2-4 hours and long time was to stay overnight and include morning sex too, even though, as told here many times, they'll come up with an excuse to leave early. I don't think I've ever hired for long time, because I prefer to sleep with both eyes closed and alone. I've had others ask if they could sleep with me for various reasons, they lived far, my place was better than their room, or they fell in love me 😝 In any case, if I felt ok with them and we had a good time, I'd say "don't worry, I won't charge you anything to stay here" that cuts them off from trying to up charge from a short to long time $tay. I know people love throwing extra money at some, but with rates nearing 100 usd.... PLUS the fees/drinks/food... we need to keep these short/long time parameters in mind so expectations on both sides stay stable 😏

Last night Wednesday visited Rainbow Dragon. If already reviewed excuse me for that. Its a pub style bar with good air con and a very pleasant atmosphere. Shirtless boys doing the service. Good dance type music. No idea what if any is off fee. As I arrived early around 8pm they seemed to be just opening and as mid week less custom. With 2 companions x 3 drinks came to about 600 baht. Nice tables facing the bar. Good location it deserves to succeed. Spent a few hours at the place and then went to Fresh Boys. We were the only customers! Having been at fresh boys at the previous Friday when it was full up shows that mid week tends to be very slow

For what it's worth, I think he is playing you like a violin, as he knows you are new to this business in Thailand. He has taken advantage of your generosity and looks forward to you just handing over money. I'm a big believer in the bulk discount. You offered 2500 baht per day. There is no way a guy in a bar can earn that every day over an extended period - unless he is a bar star. If a guy starts asking me to buy him things, that's it for me. He needs to know I am not going to be his ATM. Bye! It's important for me to sit down with the guy at the beginning and come to a mutually satisfactory arrangement regarding price and what we expect from each other. I think the arrangement must be good for both of us. I am aware of the financial advantage I have and so am always willing to err on the side of generosity. But I refused to be taken for granted. I have had two regular guys in Thailand for years. The reason why were are still seeing each other is because we have an arrangement where I am a little on the generous side - I'm the one who suggests we go shopping - and in return they give me the boyfriend experience. Sex is always on tap whenever I want it, but twice a day is now enough for me, so they don't find that side of the relationship too arduous. If I were you, I'd ditch him immediately and look for someone else. But I wouldn't embarrass him by chosing a guy from his bar.

Everyone has different goals, some prefer to spend money on objects, and others on experiences. I think your friend's comments were uncalled for tbh. Live your life the way you see fit. I mean, are marble tiles and gold tapware going to fuck your ass and make you cum?

In Pattaya it is far from unheard of for female shop workers or similar to find themselves short of money when it comes time to pay their room rent, who will stuff their panties into their handbags and go and try their luck freelancing on Beach Road to try and get a customer or two to cover their short-fall.There is often even a boy or two as well to be found standing on the Beach along the lower parts opposite Mike's and below, although I have never yet tried to engage with one. Personally I have had one or two experiences of non money-boys. There was this super-cute male waiter at Stonehouse on Walking Street. We got chatting over several visits, but he insisted he was not a money boy. However his rent time fell during one of my visits and the lure of my baht was finally enough to convince him to visit my hotel for a short-time. Success!, but tempered with him being very shy and having to be gently coaxed out of his clothes, yet alone anything else, haha. (Second and third times with him were much easier and more fun for both of us!) The vast majority of Karaoke boys are straight, but some will prove 'gay for pay' in the absence of female customers, particularly during low-season. One such boy from Diamond is now a regular 'top' of mine. Another regular is a cute gay boy from Bangkok who currently works in a restaurant who will come and stay with me for two or three days each holiday on an agreed daily rate. There are cute lads everywhere in Pattaya if you look around you, doing normal jobs. Always worth a smile at them and see what happens? If they return your smile it might just lead to you getting better aquainted with them; they might not be money-boys but they will quickly guess what's on your mind, and you never know your luck!

Day 7 Clearly all that border situation is depressing my CB. I went for breakfast to Foodland alone as he wanted to sleep more. Upon return he was up but of course on his phone fishing for news. I suggested we take a boat to Grand Palace Area as I had something to buy in the market in vicinity. Normally he would jump on occasion but this time it was clear he is going because he feels he should even if I clearly said if you don’t want to go no problem. So again to Foodland so he can eat something and then to Grand Palace by commuter boat. After some strolling and shopping for what I wanted we took tourist boat to Chinatown and from pier walked though Chinatown to Hualampong station. I suggested visiting Wat Traimit as we passed by but CB did not show any enthusiasm to the idea. Clearly he is not in the mood. I figured I did my part trying to entertain us so suggested we return to hotel where I noticed even I start being disinterested, like I took some of his depressed mood. This afternoon we will be parting ways as I have guest coming. This was announced in advance two day ago and repeated yesterday so there’s no surprise. I gave him 300 pocket money and asked CB not to show up until I tell him to. My guest is not from the scene and takes great care about discretion. Usually we meet once per trip at day of his choice as he works shifts. Raya with their service elevator in the back is best hotel for this type of meetings. He was bit late and I greeted him at that back elevator as agreed. I was sensible enough to lock door as despite agreement not to show up CB tried to open door with his card around mid session. That was not fair I thought but decided not to comment on it. Other than that it was funny 3.5 hrs with my visitor. He is one who truly appreciates fact that I like him and does his best to make sure his tip is earned honestly. Several minutes after he left I messaged CB that air is clear and while later he showed up, clearly unhappy. Sorry it was our agreement when you asked if I can accommodate you for a week in my room I thought but decided just to overlook his bad eye, lol. Upset or not, he was happy to be invited for a dinner to Happy Beer garden where we were greeted enthusiastically by Joy, the waitress and no wonder. Despite it being past 9 p.m. restaurant , usually well patronized, was empty. But our presence brought them luck, soon after other 4 tables were occupied. Then , clearly relaxed after filling stomach up CB asked what bar we are going to tonight. Not sure who suggested Good Boys but it’s where we went and entered when big cock show was about to commence. Mamasan was happy to see me, she always is. Updated me on the status of One who was star of my trip 10 years ago and chances are if on my deathbed somebody will ask me who was my best ever boy I met in almost 40 trips, his name will be mentioned. Unfortunately after that trip he went home , got married and is living now regular life. She claims he still remembers me which I actually doubt but who knows ? My best boy he was and still is even if there is no shortage of suitable competitors but his mix of personality , body , charm and ability to sense what I like at any given moment was winning formula. Number of boys in bar was twice of number of customer so clearly they have it tough at the moment. I’m not devoted patron of Good Boys but somehow I saw few familiar faces. One masseur from soi 6 who par times as go-go there was one of them , Burmese guy who in covid time shocked me at Jupiter as being Jupiter first ever guy who smiled at me was another one and there was third with distinctive tattoo whom I knew as Soviet and met few times in Pattaya and Bangkok but who seemed not to recognize me at all. CB was in much better position as almost everybody seemed to know him. After a whole I invites masseur and Burmese for a drink and somebody , most likely it was me but not sure suggested we may continue in the room. And no, no scandalous thoughts, I clearly said they are coming for socializing only. Luckily it was before midnight so we stocked up on beer and snacks at 7/11 and crossed the street to Raya. One may think it’s idiocy , having bay at disposal to spent drink and off fee money on bringing two guys just to socialize but it was one of best evenings this trip. We had good time and both boys took turns to make sure I have somebody to hug at hand . It looks that I built karma as none of them had recent off . CB did his best not to join us unfortunately, immersed in his smartphone. Before 2 am we emptied beers , polished snack boxes so guys decided to go. I offered them 1000 each for their time but their grimaces were clear that it’s Scroogy so I gave them each 500 more and that was better received indeed. I still think it was too generous as we did not do anything even remotely requiring parental guidance but was happy I could help. Unfortunately there was somebody unhappy in the room. For keeping him locked out of room in the afternoon CB penalized me severely – he decided to sleep fully dressed, , t-shirt and shorts. Fine thought I, finally chance for decent and interrupted sleep, rare treat for me in Thailand.

On the morning of my second day in Phnom Penh I get a text from Nat “we’re coming to pick you up, don’t eat breakfast” But first, a little background on Nat’s family. Nat is the youngest of 4 children, a girl and 3 boys. Mommy and Daddy are in their late 70’s- early 80’s. Daddy had a stroke a while ago and walks with a bad limp, but doesn’t let that stop him. Mommy and daddy are always dressed really well and both wear a lot of jewelry. I have been out to breakfast with them several times in California and they always are happy and try to chat with me, even though we can’t speak each other’s language. Daddy is well liked and well connected. Every time we have gone out people come up to say hi to Mommy and Daddy. I asked Nat about it once and he said that Daddy helped a lot of people flee the Kymer Rogue and so Daddy is very well respected. The family are also members of the CPP (Cambodian Peoples Party) which seems to be the dominant political party. I have been invited to several CPP functions in California as Nat’s cock block, to keep the hostesses from setting him up with women he’s not interested in dating. I always get a good meal and drinks out of it. Nat arrives in Sister’s double cab Ford Ranger truck, being driven by sister’s driver. These trucks seem to be very popular, I see them everywhere. I’m told it’s common for middle class families in Cambodia to have a driver, because driving and parking are such a mess. I’m surprised to see Mommy and Daddy in the back seat, knowing they got in very late the night before. “Mommy wants to take you to her favorite noodle shop for breakfast” and off we go to a busy open front shop across the street from the hospital where Mommy used to work as a pharmacist. Mommy and Daddy have not been back since covid but the second someone from the shop sees Mommy getting out of the truck all the staff are swarming the truck and helping them inside. It was indeed a tasty breakfast. Kymer food in my limited experience seems to have some overlap with Thai and Vietnamese, but not nearly as spicy. Breakfast over we run around doing some shopping and I’m told that we’re having lunch at Brother#1 house. At this point I still don’t know where we are sleeping. I was told not to worry about it but I made it clear that I was way too old to be couch surfing. Nat tells me he wants us to stay at sisters house, but apparently there’s been some question about it because #1 brother wants me to stay at his house. Nat doesn’t want to stay at #1 brother’s house because his soon to be ex-wife is also staying there. Apparently two brothers married two sisters, and Nat has to navigate his divorce very carefully, so he doesn’t offend his sister in law. It’s finally decided that we’ll be staying at sister’s Phnom Penh house, sister is at her house in Florida so there’s plenty of room. I last one day.

So sad. Old men decide to initiate conflict, but it is the young men who die in conflict.

you mean time of day, time of week of time of year ? as for day noting going on during daylight but after dusk you mat start circulating as boys will be heading for work and eating, alone or with their friends before that. Bars are at busiest in show times i.e. 10-12 ( show start hours vary from bar to bar ), then bars are slowly emptying but rarely guys are heading home straight s and may be lingering , eating and drinking or just standing somewhere hoping for last minute deal , I'd say midnight to 2 am are cruisiest hours . as for week , weekends are busiest which ,means more boys and more customers , better selection but also more competition for their charms. mid week is slower and chances your dream guy won't be snatched early are much higher but also he may be taking his day off when you visit his bar. as for time of year, to low season the same criteria like for mid week apply with added bonus of lower hotel prices. sometimes guy are kind of desperate for business which may mean better service. For high season selection is better , prices higher , boys may be rushy but there's no danger of you being only one customer in bar with all eyes on you. Bottom line is , whenever you will go , fun is guaranteed so don't overthink it

if you ever bother to read one of my post-covid trip reports , you may notice that every trip I have non-scene guy visiting me at least once per trip. Usually in day time as he works shifts. We passed by each other on the street by chance , I was stunned by his look so next time I saw him , which with Guardian Angel help happened to be next day I smiled at him broadly which he noticed. Day or two later we met again , that time we both smiled so we both stopped for hand shake and brief talk during which he said ' we should have drink together sometime " . It did not happen as I was leaving next day but at least we exchanged Line. Next trip we arranged for that drink which led to dinner which let to suggestion to have few more beers and again he suggested to save money to buy beer at 7/11 and drink it in my room. Then I knew I'm home and indeed that drinking developed to something requiring diming lights and making sure windows are covered. When it was time for him to go home I asked him 'can I give you some money?" to which he responded "of course". Now we have an arrangement when I'm in Bangkok he tells me when he can visit me and its simple 'yes or no " on my side, no fuss If I decline or ask for different time and day. Win/ win situation for both of us.

In theory you are right, in practice very opposite. first , CB was well rehearsed before in offs and trips taken together and there was never issue of boredom and overusage of phone, TV etc second , while I'm with you about surveying so to speak , stamp collection , all the time, there are better ways of showing one is not interested at the moment. When I visit family or friends and there are moments of boredom I'm trying to disappear from their eyes, creating temporary freedom for them and myself. third - we are taking about paid encounter, not to mention expenses related to it. In short -work. If we decide to slack on our duties certainly we don't do it in the open when paying boss is watching but we disappear from radar. Doing otherwise is not wise and disrespectful.

Day 4 Starting day at 11 am seemed bit weird to me but what the heck, I’m on vacation anyways. Today forced expulsion from hotel. We were informed 2 days ago that it will not be electricity in hotel today between 3 and 6 pm. So I decided to spend afternoon in Pattaya – Night Market, foot massage and pedicure, just to kill time, Then to Jomtien bus station to buy ticket to Bangkok for to tomorrow and from there to Complex for dinner of chicken with cashew nuts at Sophia’s . There were 4 dinners at the time there and three of us had the same dish , including myself. It was almost 7 when I arrived to hotel, power was back ! After few hours of rest and sprucing up I returned to Jomtien Complex hoping that Max hunt will materialize tonight. I parked myself over Chang at the Best Bar , noticed preparation to show outside but no sight of Max tonight either, Yesterday’s guy joined me for a beer and then another round. We watched show together but discouraged by failure of my hunting mission I decided not to off anybody tonight. Show was entirely lip syncing by various ladyboys, not really my thing but still quite enjoyable because of selection of their hits about half of them I know lyrics off and signed along , impressing my guy quite a lot! Of course tipped him for his time and past midnight actually walked to hotel. After sitting whole evening I felt like I could use some exercise. So Maxhunt was failure but thanks to Dreamboy guy from first 2 days I think I liked Pattaya part of trip better than Bangkok one .

+1, for two reasons, first they don't squander day hours on sleeping or watching idiocies on their smartphone, second they built up an opportunity for post go-go stage of their lives, even if that another job is in massage place . I have personal story to support what I just said - for about 10 years I was keeping part time job just for fun of it (yes when you young you may have fun working , lol). When I lost my full time position , my part time was easily converted to full time and kept me running till retirement at 68.5

My last few nights in Bangkok I wasn't feeling 100% so I didn't take anyone back to the hotel. But at the end of a trip I always have a mental list of which men have treated me right and deserve an off or a bigger than usual tip. I took the Myanmar man, who is good at kissing, out from Good Boys (GB) to see Dreamboys, which he hadn't been to before, and he seemed to like that. He was surprised the hotel wasn't on my agenda afterwards. I know taking the men to another go go bar can be boring if they have been around for a while but can be ok if it's new to them. One of my favourite Vietnamese men in GB had asked me to take him again to the 'dance place' (Silom Soi 2) so I took him and his cousin, who hadn't been there before. On Sunday night it was quieter than I expected but I prefer that to it being jammo these days. If anyone is new to that Soi customers do need a passport, either on their phone or real to prove their age - over 20 last time I checked. Even I was checked the first time I went and I was 59 but they seem to know me now. And I never went, in this trip, to Silom Soi 4, or Hotmale or Jupiter or Banana. But I have been to all of those multiple times before and they're all worth a look. On Tuesday my flight from BKK to DOH was at 21.05. At 17.00 the rain was heavy so I ordered a Bolt taxi, not wanting to stand on Surawong getting drenched while trying to flag down a cab. Bolt arrived about 17.25 but Bangkok was traffic locked down at rush hour in the storm and it took 2 hours to get to BKK. Starting early was the right decision. BKK is a good airport and I was in the lounge in the new terminal with a farewell red wine in 40 minutes. Again using the e-gate so no exit stamp. Goodbye BKK for about the 56th time in 14 years.

On Friday night I headed off to Atlas bar to see what all the hype was about. When I arrived, who should I see sitting outside but a guy I offed a few times last year from the Tawan Bar. I found out later that he had recently transferred to Atlas. He can be a bit possessive, and as he hadn't noticed me, I thought I would make a visit to Tawan instead to see what talent they had there and catch up with him on Saturday. The first thing I noticed on arrival at Tawan was that they just ushered me in without paying the regulatory 500 baht at the door. After I had been seated the drinks menu came out. As I looked at the stage, alarm bells started ringing. Should I exit and tell them that I left my wallet at the hotel? Many of the guys looked as if they had never lifted weights, let alone done any cardio. Against my better judgement, I decided to stay. Things could only get better....right? There were quite a few customers in the room, mainly Chinese I imagine. As for the show, I think I counted half a dozen drag queen routines. There was the obligatory big cock parade with the usual pushing for tips. Two large bodybuilders in their naked glory made the show more worthwhile. One was in very good shape, the other being definitely off-season. After the show the guys all stood on the stage, as is usual. I was hoping to get the attention of the bodybuilders, but was approached by 2 other guys instead and in the end I decided to leave empty handed. So off I ventured to the Atlas on Saturday evening. I have been a long time fan of Tawan but IMHO Atlas came out the winner of the two. The decor is bright and modern, the staff were well presented and attired, without being too pushy. The stable of boys had more variety too, including some twinks who had firm abs. Because of the rain I don't know if all the regular boys turned up. There were some bodybuilders there, but there also seemed to be boys who would fit all types of customer preference. And, needless to say, I ended up with my regular guy. Now this is an entirely subjective review. Just my 2 cents worth.

Apologies everyone, my soon to be ex manager at work is being his asshole self and interrupting my vacation with nonsense. However I have brought my IPad to the beach and let’s see if I can finish this tale while the square jawed handsome Mr Noo gives me a foot massage. Nat runs me over to the new hotel and checks in with me so I can get 2 keys. It’s around noon and I ask Nat how guest friendly he thinks the hotel would be, the front desk is right in front of the elevator. He just walks up to the female desk clerk and has a conversation in Khmer that includes lots of laughter and joking and then tells me that I can bring anyone I want as long as they don’t look like a street person. The girl just smiles and nods at me with a grin on her face. Ok then.. With nothing on the agenda until dinner time I message Mr. Nate, who had been advertising his massage skills to me on hornet since I had arrived in Phnom Penh. I’m not really attracted to the slender boyish twink types and Mr. Nate was the only massage boy who had a larger framed, more developed physique. He came at 14:00 and I had a very happy 90 minutes with him. I gave him $50 and he seemed very happy. Dinner is a BBQ at brother #2 house. Brother #2 and his wife are both air traffic controllers, speak good English and have a newer modern 3 story house in a gated neighborhood by the current airport, which is about to close and relocate. They have replaced the roof of their home with a wonderful covered rooftop deck and kitchen, complete with running water and a bathroom. Their teenage boys get a workout hauling all the food and drinks up the stairs. Even Daddy, who can barely walk but refuses to be left out of anything, climbs to the top and we all have a nice time with the extended family and neighbors. The party breaks up around midnight (which they seem to feel is very early) because we have to get up early for an excursion tomorrow.

Had 11 hot days in DR in June - and will definately try to go back in the next year. Hope I can share some useful recommenations for you guys. *Day 1 / Grindr guys* Checked in at Boutique Hotel Palacio for the first two nights. Was escorted to the room and the first thing the bell boy did was closing the curtains and giving me a big smile. Unfortunately after my long haul flight I was too slow to react and I did not take the chance. I am pretty sure this could have been my first Dominican dick on that trip. But I missed the chance - and never saw him again during my stay. I regretted and convinced myself to be a bit more proactive and just go for it - more on bringing that to life with hotel staff later 🤤 Took a shower. Hopped on grindr. And an hour later I was on my knees deepthroating a huuuuge cock. I had a lot of dick during my trip, but that first one remained the biggest and best 😋 He rimmed me deep like crazy. Kissed. And fucked me until I came hands-free. As he was so good I let him continue as long as he wanted - and he wanted a lot. After a long session we fell asleep. Hot dominant macho fucker - but afterwards he was very cuddly and cute. We woke up early morning and I got another two loads. Then he left for work. Learning: With a bit of luck and good instinct Grindr works very well. And for free (I ordered his uber home). Was it a smart to let him stay over night? Most likely not. But I did not regret a second. And I knew that reception takes a copy of visitors IDs. Throughout the trip I had a Number of free grindr guys. Enjoyed all of them, no issues at all. Motivated by my hot night I invited another free grindr guy for a blowjob around noon noon. Early 20s, nice curved cock, great dominant throatfucker. Again ordered taxi back home for him. Rest of the day I rested a bit and walked around Santo Domingo. I really like the vibe of the Colonial Zone. There was a music festival at the Fort at night which was fun. Woke up horny the next morning. Another bottom from grindr had recommended a top that I texted in Whatsapp. For pay, 1500. He came and was friendly - but was not my type and not what my spoiled ass expected. I gave him the cash and send him away. Needed to leave the hotel after that. Next stop was Punta Cana. *Punta Cana* My expectations for Punta Cana were very low. Stayed at AC Hotel Punta Cana which is close to a Mall in 'downtown' and not a resort hotel (hosting in resorts is impossible). Found a grindr top who was visiting from Trinidad & Tobago. Hosting was no issue, but I needed to pick him up in the lobby since elevators use keycards. For-pay guys ask ridiculous prices in Punta Cana (100usd+) and the selection was not impressive. Therefore I didnt try. When I arrived in Punta Cana my Air Con didnt work. Reception send a technician. Tall, muscular handsome Venezuelan. We chatted a bit - but he was way too hot to even think about anything sexual. Fast forward to next day. Out of nothing someone knocks on my door. The hunky technician. Says he just wants to check the AC again. No thoughts on my side. I let him in. He starts checking things in the corridor and and gets suspiciously close to me. While trying to explain something to me in his basic English his crotch touches my hand. I smile at him and he apologizes and takes a step back. Some moments later his crotch touches my hand again. Now I grab it, open his pants, and take his thickkkk dick out. Took me 5 seconds to get down on my knees and suck him. After some mins I try my luck and ask if he wants to fuck me (since I was on bottom diet for most of the trip anyways). And YES. He fucks me doggy. Slaps my Ass. And cums in me. Then apologizes (!) and says he hope there are no problems. Of course I tell him how hot it was and that I enjoyed a lot. A moment later he is gone. No mention of a tip or anything that he wanted. The whole thing was surreal. A gay porn fantasy that had never happened like this in my life. But it did! Picked up a friend and left to Santo Domingo again - more in next post.

This is my opinion only and other folks will have differing opinions - but why would you want to spend your month-long holiday with a singular guy when there are literally hundreds (thousands?) of guys readily available for you? Sure, you can start building a list of regulars, but there are just so many lovely guys out there! 🤤

It is such a pity that Reader doesn't post any more. He was always very generous in sharing the news and updates from his extended stays.

when I inherited some money after my parents died ( it wasn't a lot, relax ) I decided to renovate my bathroom and put new floor in the l kitchen. That way I avoided a dilemma Olddaddy is facing now and freed myself to waste whatever comes my way on Thai trips. As byproduct I have a nice feeling that I did not waste my old folk's inheritance but put it to good use., freeing my own money to be wasted disgracefully

main reason of the conflict is that Thai military wants to pose as defender of homeland thus creating excuse for another coup and current government's removal. Once this is achieved Thailand and Cambodia will return to their eternal friendship, all smiles. As The Economist recently observed Thailand remains only middle income country in the world where coups are staged regularly. I feel sorry for all Cambodian boys who must be feeling like carpet is removed from under their feet .

I think there are reasons we are apprehensive . I cant speak for others but can say what keeps me from sharing specific information and recommendation about our boys. a/ people are asking for information / recommendation but when it's given they disappear from forum and we don't even have a chance to see if it worked or no b/ even best friends may have different opinions about the same guys. This year only I recall 2 cases when I wholeheartedly recommended somebody to my forum friends and it did not really work for them as much as it did for me . And also reverse case when trusted source recommended somebody who worked only kind of so-so for me c/ at end of day we don't really know if negative opinion is result of really poor service or comes as form of getting back at boy who received unreasonable request from some disgruntled customers d/people we know as being nice based on our conversations, sharing meal and bar hoping may behave differently when door are closed and light dimmed. At least two boys over years told me they definitely did not like my friends I helped them to hook up with . And one I'm seeing regularly every time sternly reminds me not to share his contact nick and number with anybody

Kissing is essential for me. There are plenty of boys who do kiss. I make sure I brush my teeth & rinse my mouth with good quality mouthwash for about a minute. Also I drink some cold water. I will typically avoid spicy food beforehand as well.

The stable at 27 M massage continues to be very impressive. I mean they are nearly all strait boys, but for most of them, I would happily pay just to kiss them and suck them off.

What two years? It was 20 years. And, when you have kids and a family, money is eaten away fast. Esp. if someone else is controlling that money. I am not defending not saving cash. I am just saying, often not easy.

I'm feeling old thinking about the first years I came to Thailand (2012 was my first time) and I paid 2000 to the best looking barboys to take him home for short time, and 1500 was considered good rate for meeting up with freelancer via the apps in Bangkok... Inflation hits hard, also in Thailand. Of course, I realize that everyone is different and has different preferences. But personally, I'm never a fan of long-term. The biggest reason for this is that I love my privacy. I enjoy having company around me. Going out to dinner together, having a drink at a bar. And of course, intimacy in the bedroom. But I really prefer to sleep alone. Without anyone by my side. Another reason for me is that I'm overly aware that with a money boy, it's a business transaction. I enjoy having a money boy for company for an evening, but for a whole night, let alone a weekend or a week; no. Then I too often start to think he's only here for the money and isn't really interested in me at all. Or, as Olddaddy poetically put it: And because I feel that way, I'm not interested in becoming too friendly. Somehow, after sex, I quickly get tired of a guy. Precisely because I sense there's no connection on a friendship or emotional level. I'd rather split my money among different money guys for different nights than rent one guy for a longer period. I can certainly relate. But I guess that so-called boyfriend experience just isn't my cup of tea. Or maybe I just haven't met the right guy yet. And do they even exist? Those who can truly give you the feeling of a connection that goes beyond financial ones, all night long, including the morning, and maybe even the entire weekend? As I write this, I realize the part I find most exciting is the boyhunting: going to a bar and seeing if there's a guy you like. Making contact, taking him to your hotel. And then seeing how he is. Does he kiss well? How hot is he? What things can we do together? Is there some kind of connection? The discovery part, as Vinapu describes it. That can indeed sometimes lead to disappointment. Although I have to say, I've made more good discoveries in all these years than bad ones. But that might be because I've always been very critical of bars or apps. These days, I have two regulars who I alternate with new discoveries. This way, I'm guaranteed quality with the ones I already know, but I can also make plenty of new discoveries during the vacation. A perfect combination. But even the regulars are only there for short-term dates. No overnights or longer.

Daddy , this is not Grinder , this is serious forum

Dear oh dear oh dear oh dear. Listen OP. You are being far too nice and rather than being a cheapskate you are too generous. Others have given you detailed advice as above which I cannot disagree with. The nub of the issue is you letting want-to-be Hi So Lao to control the relationship. End it now politely but firmly and find another where you are in control. There are plenty available!

Just thought I would add my prospective to the post. I am the travel buddy We overall had a great trip and would highly recommend reaching out to people on the forum to team up, or maybe we just got lucky getting on so well. I would say the Dominican Republic is a mainly a bottoms paradise as the majority of the guys are straight. I am more on the top side so my choice was much more limited. Not to repeat what has already been said. Cine lido was definitely interesting but its luck of the draw if there is anyone there of your liking. The sauna I wasn’t such a fan. The building is very hot the ac only worked in the dark room. It’s too much walking around and not a lot happening. I’m more into immediate gratification. Marlowes we went most evenings for a drink, it’s a fun place I felt safe. Was one pretty boy we connected with called “leo” we would flirt with most evenings and buy a drink for. I met one guy who I swapped numbers with to arrange to meet later. I think I just got sucked in he wanted 4000 which is more than anyone else, negotiated down to 3000. He was top only and quite difficult and demanding but I met him twice and kind of got what I needed. I think I just liked the game and the challenge. Now to the famous manny (who I like he helped us a lot and was great with logistics). This was my second trip to the DR so we had previously connected so I had a few boys that I wanted to see again. Because my friend is bottom it opened up more guys that we could share and have fun with so we had a few 3somes. I think in total we met 10 of mannys boys. 3 some with a straight hung top 3 some with a hung wild vers guy I had met before 3. 3 some with a straight guy fun personality bit cocky liked a drink 4. 1 on 1 with muscular handsome hung vers guy but he came from the gym so not prepared to bottom so I took the role 5. Vers guy we flip fucked not so hot but a good all rounder very thick dick had met him before 6. 4 way which I left I wasn’t into the guys one I found smelly and couldn’t get hard, the other guy my friend liked said he topped well 7. I had a guy from skokka he was pretty good he bottomed, spoke English and did great oral with a nice dick 8. Vers guy more Latin looking refused to bottom we had met before and had a great time, this time was not good 9. Mannys most hung guy more Latin monster cock. I tried to take it but couldn’t came all over my chest On our final day we thought we would have a group with #2 #3 #5 #9 ….. 9 was a no show and 5 couldn’t get hard and was taking drugs which we didn’t like so we asked him to leave. 2 and 3 were wild fucked my friend in the pool and all over the house. Sorry for the bullet point post but I have a short attention span writing these. Also I don’t know how much personal info to give on the boys. I’m sure the OP can add to it if he wants to. We have another trip together in September to Colombia which I can’t wait and hopefully again next year to DR

Back in Santo Domingo a friend and me stayed in two nice Airbnbs in Zona Colonial that I can highly recommend. Although we never had any issues I would not host in an airbnb when travelling alone. Whenever we took street or Marlowes guys to our airbnb we took a photo of their ID. Nobody had a problem with that. *Marlowes* We stopped by for a beer on most nights. It is a fun place - even if only for chatting and negotiating game. Only wish it was a bit better maintained and less seedy. Anyways - I sucked good dick and was fucked very good in there. Make sure you agree upfront that you want leche (If you want). And be clear about the price. Some of the guys are too stoned and some have definately seen better days. We stayed away from These. But we also found hot ones to have fun with. Prices from 1000-1500. Some only wanted to fuck with condoms. Some Said that in the beginning but were happy to breed afterwards. The backroom is very dark and the toilets you cannot close - still I enjoyed the toilets more. Guys are all for pay. But on one night I met up with a guy from grindr there and we had sex in the toilet. So in case you cannot host, Marlowes is an option for a fuck. *Apolo Sauna* Although their socials are not being updated the place is open. Went on two afternoons. First during the week. Sucked some dick and got fucked in the cabins and in the darkroom. Definately worth a visit for me. My friend didnt like it a lot. Clean place with hot free guys. Came back on a Sat afternoon. And it was too crowded for my taste. And had too many bottoms Entry is 500 DOP, you get a towel and slippers. *Cine Lido* Dark, hot, sleazy. Went three times around 18h. Short Walk from El Conde. First time we went in within minutes I got fucked by a hot latino daddy in the dark corners and doggy on the seats. Sucked a number of good guys. Most like to fuck too. Also some group action at times. Its very hot - so we never stayed more than one hour max. On one day there was nothing good, so we left after 15mins. 200 DOP entry. You can buy drinks at the entrance. I would definately go back for uncomplicated quick dick. We usually walked and it didnt feel unsafe. But some people recommend to take an uber. *Narciscos House* We were recommended the trip to the house by Francisco from Pacos. He arranged a taxi for 2000 and negotiated the price for boys and house. Took us an hour to get there from Zona Colonial. Its a house in a residential area close to San Cristobal. The setting is akward. The owner - an old guy who we chatted a bit with - had five guys around and we all sat in a circle and they introduced themselves. The hottest one we already knew from Santo Domingo. Absolutely loved him in Santo Domingo - in that setting even he was less hot. The others were ok but nothing worth travelling for. The setting was a turn off, felt like sitting in my granddad's living room. When it came to the prices it was suddenly double of what Francisco had told us! We were not keen to get ripped off - so we said no thanks and left. 2000 for the taxi and more importantly 2.5h wasted. Huge disappointment and definately NOT worth going there in our opinion. Invest that time and Money in Santo Domingo.

Thank you for sharing Whilst not everything went to plan, you navigated it like a champ and came out on top. The reality is that not every aspect of our trips is going to be perfect and things are not always going to go to plan - your report demonstrated an example of what the reality could be like, and I appreciated your vulnerability in sharing with us. If you happen to be back in January, let me know

I too love to be kissed, particularly during the final moments before I cum, indeed that is often the act that finally gets me over the line these days. One of my favourite boys is well aware of that, and in threesomes (that he loves), he will do the kissing (and nipple) bit while the other lad works away on my cock 😅 But like many older, overweight, guys I am well aware that I need to take active steps to avoid any bad breath on my part, and not just rely on a quick mouthful of Listerine before we start a session. The only thing that puts me off kissing is when the lad is a smoker; the smell and taste of it is a real passion killer for me.

I have described most of my firsts in other posts and so will not waste others' time repeating them here. Like many who had been sent to a boarding school when quite young, I quickly learned about mutual masturbation and other boyish activities by the time I was 10. Not being able to cum even though having an orgasm was a major concern when others were spraying so much. But then soon all that changed. I had crush after crush when I moved to a day school aged 12. But I was too nervous to do anything about them. Eventually along with my next door friend, my age and at the same school, experimented a bit, but it was really only for mutual release. Real love (at least that is how it felt) came into the equation in my second year at university. For almost a year I lusted after one boy/young man not realising that he was also lusting after me. One day in a quiet college room we finally realised this. He was staying in one of the halls of residence where we arranged to meet the following afternoon. That felt like sparks of magic were happening! For a while we were inseparable. But then he had to move away and ever so slowly those sparks lost their brightness. But others appeared! I remain happy that I remain in contact with that first love of my life. Every year when I return to the UK for a couple of weeks, we meet up for a lunch that ends up far too drunken for us to remember much afterwards. But they are happy occasions. Rarely do we ever talk about our university years. But we remember them.

I had massage with Summer. He is really great. I can only highly recommend him 😉. He is from Myanmar. Great body and… Delivers more than promised 🤩.