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FIRST NIGHT IN BANGKOK I started the evening with a stroll. Through the various streets lined with boy bars and massage shops... What struck me was how quiet the streets were. Few people were walking around or entering the bars. I was therefore afraid I'd be the only customer if I went in. But when I entered Freshboys just after 10:30, it was surprisingly packed. The show wasn't anything new. It was mostly the same. During the big cock parade, number 31 caught my eye. Gorgeous body, six-pack, nice tattoos (not too many, but distinct. Chinese theme). When the boys went into the audience for tips, I naturally handed number 31 a bill. After I'd thoroughly felt up his body and given him some compliments, of course. Mamasan told me the guy was "top only." Unfortunately, he didn't match with me because of that. So I decided to try my luck elsewhere. Also, because I wanted to explore a bit on my first night and not pick up a guy at the first bar and end up back in my hotel room early. As busy as the Freshboys was, it was deserted in Tawan. Two other (young) customers. They both had a Tawan man sitting next to them, hands going everywhere, and at one dark moment, they even gave blowjobs in public... Exciting! But other than that... Most of the guys weren't my type. I'm into muscular guys. But lean muscular ones. And not what was generally "on the menu" in Tawan. There was one guy who did interest me, but he avoided eye contact. And I agree with @vinapuvinapu it usually doesn't result in a good date if you choose a guy who doesn't make eye contact and tries to get your attention or flirt with you. Guys (or men, as many of the Tawan staff fall into that category) are mostly on their phones, uninterested (except for two who did stop by for a chat), and one who seemed to have fallen asleep on the couch. He sat there with his eyes closed... It actually felt a bit awkward so I tried my best to finish my drink a little faster than normal. It was a little after midnight now, and I thought I'd try somewhere else. Only to find that everything was closed or about to close. Apparently, on weeknights in Bangkok these days, you have to make sure you've found a guy before midnight... Haha. Luckily, Grindr offered a solution. A massage therapist offered himself for the reasonable price of 1,500 baht for full service. He was able to walk straight through the reception to my hotel room without any problems once I gave him my room number. He was a nice, spontaneous guy, who was apparently a fan of 7-Eleven, because he had a large tattoo of their logo on the back of his neck. That tattoo looked familiar. But I can't remember the context. Maybe I saw the guy once when he worked at one of the boy bars. Or maybe I even met up with him on one of my previous trips... I asked him to give me a soft massage because I was experiencing some pain, and he knew exactly the right pressure so it wasn't painful, but you could feel that he was doing something. Satisfied and tired, I crawled into bed after he had also provided the extra service to my satisfaction. To give you an idea of what he is like, below is a photo from which I have cropped out his face. A successful first (half) day in Bangkok.

Bangkok Day activities: A visit to the Mahanakhon skyscraper. The view is impressive, as is the skywalk. bicycle tour by night. Great experience, but I prefer the day tour. Bars: Fresh boys: great selection of boys and I loved the show (only one ladyboy lip-syncing act). I invited #19 and #28 to sit with me. #19 was very cute but top only. I would have taken #28 if it was any cheaper (asked for 3000 baht). Not sure if that's normal practice, but the papasan said that I had to pay the full amount to the bar, including the tip for the boy (?). Maybe I misunderstood. Good boy: good selection of boys but I arrived just before the show started. I lran away after three kathoey acts. Golden Cock: The door was open, but the bar was empty. No one in sight. I left after 5 minutes. Super A: I was the only customer. Drinks are 200 baht and the off fee is 500 baht. The guys are fully clothed, one of them attractive. I invited him to sit with me, and he immediately unbuckled his belt to get a better look at his goods. He's straight, but "can do anything." I put that to the test, and we went to the hotel, and what a surprise... The best sex I've had all week. He's an enthusiastic kisser and loved being fucked. He asked for 1500, but I gave him 2000. Sometimes you find what you're looking for where you least expect it. Massages: Avalon massage: A cute guy comes up to me and says, "Massage, please, sir." I can't resist (massage 685 baht). I really enjoyed the massage. Then came the question I was hoping for: "Would you like something extra?" We discussed the details and the price (a 2,000 baht tip), and he undressed. He insisted we be very quiet, as there were other customers getting a massage in the same room (seperated by curtains). I really tried to be quiet, but I think I failed miserably. It was very enjoyable, anyway. oneSpa (saphan kwai): I chose "Min" a guy from Myanmar who could bottom. Special offer, 1 hour 499 baht. Minimum tip 1000 baht. Luckily, I paid an extra 100 baht for the VIP room, because if that was a VIP room, I don't want to know what the regular rooms look like. The massage was better than expected, with a pleasant body-to-body massage. As soon as I turned over, the real fun began. Min turned out to be a very enthusiastic bottom. We showered together at the end. From start to finish, 70 minutes. Highly recommended. Grindr: Probably a coincidence, but the money boys were much more responsive than in Pattaya. I got one boy into my room within five minutes of our conversation. I ended up meeting two boys, paying them 1,200 and 1,500 baht respectively. Both were okay. ---- I had a wonderful trip to Thailand. It was great to be back and see how things have changed. Some for the better (Jomtien Complex), some for the worse (Sunee, Boystown). After visiting Colombia often over the past five years, it was good to have a change of scenery. Will I go back? Definitely, but my next trip will be to Colombia again. Thailand has so many advantages over Colombia. It's very safe, the food is great, the hotels are cheap and high-quality, you can get a good massage, and it's very easy to find a money boy... But what I miss most in Thailand is what they call "morbo" in Colombia. It's hard to describe, but the sex is just hotter, more intense, more passionate. And there's a lot of kissing (more than half of the guys in Thailand didn't want to kiss). I also miss the long conversations, having drinks together, going out together,... With guys from South Asia it's just more difficult, because we don't speak a common language and I don't like using translation apps all the time.

ARRIVAL I've been flying business class on my outbound journey for years. It's quite a long journey from Europe, and I love arriving in Thailand refreshed. This way, I can immediately dive into the sodomy that is Patpong, full of energy. I also find that by flying business class, the holiday begins during the trip instead of only when you arrive at your destination. Another advantage: you can use priority lane at immigration. After all, the lines at passport control can sometimes be very crowded. While boarding my 2nd flight/leg in Doha, I spotted a well-dressed, well-built guy. The kind you know right away is gay. A shirt that was way, way, way too tight around his muscular torso. But I did have something delicious to look at and fantasize about. And who did I meet on Grindr hours later after arriving? Of course... This guy. Haha. I chatted with him for a bit and admitted to him that I find him very attractive. But he's attracted to everything I'm not (younger, muscular, etc.), so unfortunately, nothing came out of it. But... It's a small gay world. Photos from his Grindr profile, his head cropped for privacy reasons. The first photo shows his style on the plane. Then you'll understand the gaydar that tripped me up. The second photo, just because it's hot, him shirtless. Just before leaving, I realized I'd made a mistake in the booking dates for my first hotel in Bangkok. As a result, I had a hotel for nights 2 and 3, but hadn't yet booked the first night. The last-minute prices for the luxurious Meridian Hotel, where I'd treated myself to two nights to kick off my vacation, were very high. So I decided to look for a cheaper option in Silom for one night and then move to the Meridian Hotel on day two. I found a very good deal on booking.com for Squirrel House, a relatively new hotel in the building that used to house the BBB Inn. I often prefer newer hotels. They still look fresh, are often clean, and have a modern, bright interior. I remember several other forum members having stayed there as well. See: I found old photos of the hotel on Google Maps when it was still the BBB Inn. It's funny to see that they advertised the hotel back then with a photo of a staff member lying on a hotel bed. I wonder if any members here ever found a staff member lying on their bed back then? The location is, of course, ideal. Within walking distance of all the bars and massage shops in Patpong. At least, within walking distance for most of us. @Olddaddy would definitely take a motorbike taxi... I think someone on this forum already mentioned the hotel's lack of an elevator. And of course, lucky me, my room was on the third floor... I had to lug my heavy suitcase up the stairs. The room is very basic. The bed is a bit too firm for my liking. And it's quite noisy. I hear a lot of noise from others walking in the hallway, from other rooms, and from slamming doors. The renovation of the adjacent (former) Take a Nap Hostel is currently also causing noise pollution. In short: it was nice to try a new hotel, and thankfully it was only for one night, but I won't be booking this one again.

Just got back to Sydney after the most insane 48 hour layover in Bangkok en route to Dubai. Originally only planned as a quick overnight to break the long flight from SYD, but after reading a couple of recent reports here about the growing number of African students and workers in BKK… let’s just say I re-booked the Dubai leg for two days later before I even landed. Flight & Arrival Landed in BKK around 16:40. The second I switched off airplane mode, Grindr exploded, 50+ taps in the first five minutes, I hadn’t even cleared immigration yet and already had messages blowing up my phone. Took the Airport Rail Link to Phaya Thai then MRT + short Grab ride to the hotel. Hotel Ibis Styles Bangkok Silom, booked a premium king room with balcony. The balcony was gold, high enough for privacy but still great for a post session cigarette while hearing the Silom chaos below. Night 1 – Wednesday Dropped the bags, quick shower, opened Grindr. Looked for any Black/African and it was a sea of Nigerian, Ghanaian and Cameroonian flags. Most were students or guys working for a few days in the LOS. Hit it off with a 26 year old Ghanaian, tall, rugby build, pics showed a seriously thick bulge. He asked 3000 short time straight up....no bullshit!! I said come now, 25 minutes later he’s at the door in a tight white tank showing every ripple. Shower show first, the ibis rooms have those big rain showers with glass walls, perfect for watching. Soaped each other up, deep kissing under the water, his tongue halfway down my throat while I tried to wrap both hands around that monster. Easily 22-23 cm and thicker than a Red Bull can, uncut, heavy foreskin, perfect curve upward. I spent a good 15 minutes on my knees just worshipping it. Back to the bed, oil massage play (he brought his own bottle), then he ate my arse for a good 5 minutes and slid in. Took a solid five minutes of slow pushing before I could take it all. Once he was in he went full jackhammer, loud moaning began with slapping sounds echoing off the walls (so sorry to the lovely older couple next door). Bred me deep twice, massive loads. Tipped him an extra 500 because I literally saw stars. Grabbed some food from the street stall on Silom Soi 4, then one quick beer before bed. Passed out happy. Day 2 – Thursday Did a bit of shopping during the day and had a nice swim in the afternoon. Opened Grindr at 7pm and the grid was on fire again. Decided today would be a double header. Guy #2 – a 24 year old Nigerian, nice body,face 10/10. Same deal, 3000 ST. Spent almost two hours: long 69 session (he was an amazing cocksucker), then he carried me to the balcony (yes I asked him to, I'm paying good money here guys!!!!) bent me over the railing and pounded me while the traffic roared below. Shot so hard I felt it hit deep. Stayed another 30 minutes cuddling and kissing, total sweetheart. Quick nap, dinner, then guy #3 just after midnight. Nice student from Cameroon, 29, gym-rat, veiny arms, low hanging balls. He was the most verbal, kept calling me “baby” and “good boy” while he choked me lightly on his beautiful fat uncut cock. Oiled me up again, slow sensual fuck first, then flipped me on my stomach and went full animal. Loudest moaner of the three, I’m shocked no one complained. Left another huge creamy load inside and kissed my forehead on the way out. Practical Tips • ibis Styles Silom = 100% joiner-friendly, no drama even with three different guys in 48 hrs. • Grab taxis everywhere, never paid more than 120 THB in the Silom/Sathorn area. • Grindr grid for African guys is absolutely stacked, turn on your phone at the airport and you’ll see what I mean. • 3000 THB short time seems to be the going rate right now for the top-tier African pros, worth every baht. Verdict Best quick stopover of my life. Three absolute stallions, zero attitude and hotel was perfect. I'm already looking at flights for a full week in May dedicated solely to the African boys in Bangkok. Thanks Bangkok… see you very soon

For the first time in five years, I visited Thailand again, albeit for only nine days. The first seven days I spent in Pattaya, the last few in Bangkok. I stayed at the Zing Resort in Pattaya and at The Raya in Bangkok. The Zing Resort is a simple but pleasant hotel. The staff is super friendly, no problem with guests and it's always nice to have a pool. The Raya: I was unlucky enough to have a room on the fifth floor (where the reception is), but they don't even bat an eye when you go up to your room with your boyfriend of the day. The room was very nice (with a naughty shower), but I didn't like the bed: a mattress on viagra, rock hard. Pattaya I took the airport bus to Jomtien. Even though I didn't have a reservation, I only had to wait 20 minutes for the next bus. Grindr had a good selection of guys, but it was difficult to make appointments (no or late responses, guys who didn't show up, etc.). I ended up meeting three guys, only one of whom was memorable. On average, I paid 1,500 baht for bar boys and 1,000 baht for guys from Grindr. Daytime Activities: Ramayana Water Park with a Grindr contact (free, but I paid for admission, transportation, and food). A bit pricey (999 baht admission), but great slides and lots of fun. The guy loved it. Koh Larn with a guy from M Bar. We went to Tien Beach. It's still one of my favorite beaches on the island. A sexy photoshoot among the rocks on the other side of the island was the highlight of the day. Trip to Bang Saray (by Songthaew/motorcycle taxi). Strolled around town for a bit. Bars & Massages Jomtien Complex: M bar: My favorite bar in Pattaya. The guys are cute and the show is entertaining (the fuck show in black and white!). I've offed three guys from Laos (technically, I only offed one, since the others joined me after closing time). One night, a big spender got all the guys drunk. One of them fell asleep on my lap. Another asked if he could sleep at my place because he lost his keys. Of course, I didn't mind and the next morning he proved that having sex is a perfect remedy for a hangover. Gus bar: The guys are very twinky. The "sexy boys" show is just energetic dancing, but I enjoyed it. The cashier came to my room after closing time, and we had a great time. Peter bar: I enjoyed a game of pool at this bar. The location is great. You can watch the comings and goings and see the various shows. I assume they employ freelancers, because I offed a guy from the bar and didn't pay an off fee. Sunee bar: I met two forum members. They were both lovely guys MV Massage (one of two massage parlors near the bakery "O Delices"): A very cute twink caught my eye. The massage started with him fully clothed and he stayed that way throughout the session. His massage skills were non-existent, the worst massage I've had in a long time. Not that I expected a good massage there, as long as there was a sexy part. But alas... nothing. After 45 minutes, the session was over. I considered how much to tip him and thought 200 baht would be more than enough, even generous. He looked at me as if he was very offended by my tip and even ostentatiously turned his head the other way as I walked past to leave. Well, they won't see me again. Jomtien Health Massage (near the entrance to Jomtien on the Thappraya): There are both men and women working there. My expectations were rather low, but one of the men was cute. He gave me an excellent massage and halfway through asked if I wanted extras. After a brief chat, he jumped out of his clothes and we had a good session. I think I was lucky I was the only one on the top floor, as the massage tables are only separated by curtains. Afterward, I showered alone. Bars & Massages sunee plaza: Everything is closed except Nice Boys, Winner Boys, Diamond Bar (lights on but empty) and that bar on the corner. Nice boys (or whatever they are called nowadays): only one Myanmar guy on the stage, the rest are Thai. All boys in jeans / long trousers. I had a chat with the owner khun beer. He tells me that they had no choice, he couldn't pay the tea money for the BiB anymore with the profits of the bar. I miss the old Nice Boys. For old time's sake, I started a cum contest for 300 baht. Most of them wanked frantically and one of the boys won in less than 10 seconds. Winner boys: a couple cute twinks, friendly atmosphere and you can have some hands-on fun with the boys. Bars & Massages boystown: Toy Boys: Nice mix of boys, I counted 12 boys. Papasan told me they expect 2500 baht tip for short time, no pasarán. Cupidol (or whatever it's called now, the go-go bar next to Panorama): lots of cute twinks. One guy immediately caught my eye, but he was top only.

PATTAYA: THE JUICY STUFF Of course a visit to Boystown could not be missed, my once favorite bar, Boys Boys Boys, changed into a no-go area because of reasons already discussed in other forum posts. Last year I had a great night of fun in XBoys, so that was our destination that night. Me and a friend went there just before their show started. During the first show there were still more customers inside. But things heated up when most of them left after the first show. The boys became more uninhibited and willing. The fact that we offered a few drinks probably also worked. But in the end there were two boys with me who both could not leave their hands to themselves. And also let themselves be touched extensively. Furthermore, a lot of lap dances were given and teased in all kinds of ways. Cocks were coming out, named butts were shown. My friend also got a nice boy with/next to/on him, after some urging from me. So it was a great night out. The XBoys show remains as it used to be. Where other shows are declining in nudity and sexiness, this one is still as sexy and raunchy as ever. Also good to see that a guy who's been around for a long time (and is a favorite of a respected, unnamed forum member here) is still in good shape. Unlike some guys in Bangkok who have been in the business for a long time and whose body-wise, they're past their prime. Respect to this guy in XBoys for managing to stay so attractive. MASSAGE BOYS I met up with three massage boys while I was in Pattaya. Two were freelancers on Grindr and one from a massage shop. Let's start with the least experienced. The boys themselves have very sexy bodies. The massage was average. But the extra service didn't do it for me. Too mechanical. No passion. And all this while he was asking the highest price: 2,000 baht. The second boy was the cheapest, asking 1,000 baht. His massage was exactly what I requested. He paid extra attention to my feet with a more extensive foot massage, and after some instructions, the rest of my body was massaged with just the right pressure for me. It even got a bit kinky when he started licking my feet. And the rest of the sex was good too. He was visibly and audibly enjoying himself. A true gay bottom boy. Wonderful. The third massage boy, Benjamin (Ben), works in what I understand is a new massage shop on the outside of the Jomtien complex on the main street, Sala Kaya. The massage boy with the face tattoos (who previously worked in another shop and is very recognizable because of that face tattoo) also works there now. But my boy was just starting his second day in Pattaya. He's still experiencing the "fresh meat syndrome" where many men in Pattaya want to try him out because he's new to town. He told me he receives a lot of messages there, including via Grindr. On his first day of work, he had seven clients, and on his second day, I was his third client (late afternoon). He told me he even gets messages from guys back in bars in Jomtien, saying they need to earn their own money with an off first, but then they'd like to come and get a massage from him. Instead of a massage at the shop, I decided to invite him to my room. I prefer that. Especially being able to feel "at home" after the massage and take a shower in your own bathroom. Ben came in a bit shy, but he was a pleasant conversationalist. Ben speaks more than passable English. He comes from northeast Thailand, where his family (how could it be otherwise) has a farm. He studied marketing and had a hair salon in his hometown. If I understand correctly, he also gave massages there. He also arranged a visa for Europe through an agency and then traveled for three months through several countries (including Germany and France). Without the financial support of a farang. There, he worked as a massage therapist and charged European prices. He said he earned a lot of money this way, around 150 euros per massage. But he also needed that money to finance his expensive trip through Europe. He came to Pattaya well prepared. He had all kinds of vaccinations and went on the prep. However innocent he may seem, he clearly knew exactly what he was getting into... He was more than worth the 1500 baht. You could tell he had massage experience by the way he worked. The pressure he applied. The towels he used to get a grip when needed, preventing him from slipping away in the massage oil. He came well prepared, carrying several towels. The focus for the first half hour was truly on the massage. When I turned over, the good massage continued, but he did occasionally touch the "sensitive areas." The massage transitioned seamlessly into the extra service. Like a true bottom, he clearly enjoys riding a cock. This guy is highly recommended. I don't like to show a young man completely identifiable for privacy reasons, but based on the photo below, you should be able to recognize his profile on Grindr. And if you visit the shop: he's recognizable because he wears glasses. So Ben is definitely recommended. But be nice to him. He hasn't been ruined by staying in the "massage boy world" for too long. His slight insecurity actually makes him sweet. With him, I really felt like he wanted to please me. Both in terms of the quality of the massage, the extra services offered, and the atmosphere in general. There was also a (fourth) guy I had come to my room. But I don't officially count him as a massage boy. He didn't actually advertise himself as such, but after I asked if he'd give me a massage, he agreed. It was clear, however, that he had no experience in that. So we quickly shifted our focus to sex. And that was just good and enjoyable with him. He was also a nice and sociable guy. If you happen to see him on Grindr, you should definitely consider inviting him.

ANOTHER DAY IN BANGKOK I've never had this much jet lag as I have this year. Does that have something to do with me getting older? Anyway, I took an extra nap during the day today. In between, I also visited the new Central Park. The new shopping mall with office towers and the new Dusit Thani hotel. They must have thought there weren't enough shopping malls in the area yet. But I have to say: the rooftop terrace is impressive. It's a true roof garden. It really makes you feel like you're walking through a park. With a beautiful view of Lumphini Park and the skyline beyond. There are discussions on this forum about where the best cashew chicken was on the menu. I had one today at Sarica restaurant on Surawong Road. Plenty of cashews, and the chicken was delicious. However, I have reservations about the quality of the sauce/paste they used. Still, I think it tasted good. That evening, I decided to visit Dreamboy right before the first show. Papasan had advised me the night before to arrive early next time, and he'd find me a good guy. When I arrived, it was already very busy. So busy, in fact, that I got a spot at the side of the stage. This made it difficult to get a good look at the guys, let alone read their number tags. Because of the crowd, Papasan also left me a bit alone, so I couldn't ask them for advice or information about the guys. When he happened to come by, he shined a laser pointer on several guys he knew were gay and also into bottoming. One of them had caught my eye earlier that evening, so I decided to invite them for a drink. He's from Myanmar and didn't speak a word of English. The translation app was struggling. I typed really good, but simple, English sentences. But the translation into Burmese wasn't great, so he didn't quite understand what I wanted to know. I deliberately didn't mention that I am top and wanted him to express his preferences first by asking him. His answer was ultimately clear: he's gay, but he's top. I politely let him know that we wouldn't be a match, which he accepted. He did, however, sit comfortably next to me, finishing his drink and touching each other. I tipped him 200 baht. Papasan came over and asked if I wanted to take the boy. I explained that I didn't, because the boy claims to be top, which contradicts the information Papasan gave me. Then Papasan and the boy started talking in Thai or Burmese. I didn't understand it at all. But after that, the boy claimed to want to take good care of me and was willing to do anything, including bottoming. But I insisted I wouldn't bring the boy along. A date between us could only end in disappointment. I want a real bottom or versa. And not someone who "just does it" because Papasan says so. It doesn't feel right to do something with a boy he doesn't choose for himself. That's why I was glad I'd had that conversation with him where I'd asked him about his preferences without him knowing what I was looking for. Or what Papasan had told me. I was a bit annoyed by Papasan's misinformation. Let's just say it cost me valuable time that I could have better spent meeting a guy who's truly bottom or versa. I couldn't bring myself to choose a new guy at Dreamboy either. So I paid and left the bar disappointed. Where to go now? It was already past midnight. And experience from the previous evening had taught me that it's hard to find a guy anywhere then, as closing time is approaching. But... Then I saw a sign that Goodboyz had a show at 1 a.m. So I went in... I arrived in boy heaven. There were so many boys. So many. And something for every taste. I even saw quite a few who piqued my interest. And importantly: the atmosphere was great. I felt welcome. Friendly mamasan. Boys who smiled at me and asking for attention, without being too pushy for drinks or tips. I even managed to chat with a boy who had spontaneously sat next to me for a while before he asked if I wanted to buy them a drink. And I did want to buy him a drink. Because he was definitely my type. He spoke reasonable English. That was a plus. At the same time, there was another attractive boy further down who also kept making eye contact. Both boys from Vietnam. And before I knew it, I was sitting with a boy on either side of me, drinks for them, and hands going everywhere, both theirs and mine. The setup at Goodboyz allows for this. The way the seating is arranged and the fact that it's a bit darker makes it a bit more intimate and private. Why choose between two cute guys when they're both willing to go with you? Luckily, the Méridien has big beds. The guys didn't do anything together in the hotel room, by the way. Their focus was entirely on me. But I'm not complaining, of course. I wouldn't call it a real threesome this way, either. But it was a special experience. The first time I've brought two guys from the bar back to the hotel.

PATTAYA: GENERAL OBSERVATIONS Just like many other times I've been to Pattaya, I chose to book the Agate Hotel in the Jomtien complex. The price-quality ratio is simply excellent. And the location is perfect. Close to several gay bars and within walking distance of the (gay) beach. You'll get the best price by booking directly with the hotel. This can make a significant difference compared to booking platforms. If the hotel's own booking tool on the website isn't working, email them. They usually have rooms available. Nice detail: the bathrooms have a bench in the shower. Handy for lazy queens who like to give blowjobs in the shower but don't want to get down on their knees... From my hotel room, I have a view of the abandoned parking garage in the Jomtien complex (see photo). Does anyone know if it was ever in use, or what the story behind it is? Not the most inspiring view, but I also look out directly onto the street inside the complex, so in the evenings you can see how busy it is and what's going on around. The hotel pool is small, but it's always quiet and deserted. Perfect for a few hours of relaxation if you don't feel like going to the beach. There's even a pet squirrel roaming around the pool. It's tame and not afraid of people. It came very close to me and was even bold enough to jump onto the lounge chair I was lying on and look at me curiously. Just turn on Grindr here, and the messages are guaranteed to pour in. And if the selection of guys on Grindr isn't enough, I recommend using Hornet. Quite a few money boys in Jomtien have been blocked by Grindr because they discovered they were MBs. Advertising yourself for sex for money isn't allowed on Grindr. But via Hornet, it's easier for them to open a new account when this happens. Meanwhile, Grindr has much stricter security. If you're banned, you can't create a new account with the same phone. As other forum members have noticed, there are quite a few Black guys (some from Madagascar) active on Grindr as moneyboys here. I've encountered quite a few in my grid. See, for example, the guys in the colleague below. Always nice for those who want a change from the Asian guys. What's also striking is that the price increases implemented by many guys in Bangkok haven't yet filtered down to Pattaya. On Grindr, most moneyboys offer themselves for 2,000 baht, but there are also plenty willing to visit your hotel room for 1,500 or even 1,000 baht. And they're good-looking guys, too. Speaking of Grindr: the profile below made me laugh... The photo shows that what you're looking for can sometimes be closer than you think... I've seen several shows in the complex itself. I've been to the M2M show several times before, and it never disappoints. The performances are full of energy, and the artists radiate joy. A fun night out is guaranteed. This time, too, it was a great time at M2M. I went to The Venue for the first time, but I'm not as impressed with the show there. The performers seem to be disinterested. Twice a week, they put on an extra show with a more erotic twist after their regular show. This special show is actually much more fun than their mail show. The performers seem to enjoy it more, probably because they can rake in a decent amount of tips. The audience sits very close, and as the performers walk through the audience, you can touch them and give them the tickets or tuck them into their clothes. A very touchy-touchy show. The shows at Best Bar are unfortunately no longer what they were for a short time. They had to cut the erotic segments. That was a really fun part, if I'm to believe those who were lucky enough to experience it. See the photo below for an impression. Oh well. That was once upon a time. Not anymore. Now it's a Thai Dance section and the well-known ladyboy numbers. Not as good as M2M, but in terms of energy and fun, better than The Venue. That's it for now. I'll write more about further adventures in Pattaya soon, even the exciting ones.

FRENCH KISSING IN BANGKOK For a few days, I'd been chatting with a half-French/half-Moroccan guy who is in Thailand for an extended period. At first, he seemed a bit too feminine for me. But there was something about him that attracted me, both in his photos and in his "French ritual" he offers. After a few days of hesitation because his "asking price" was so high, I decided to invite him anyway. My curiosity about him got the better of me. Despite the high price, it turned out to be completely worth it. I'm not going to say what I paid him because I'd be embarrassed to, and then I'd get all my fellow forum members commenting... Haha. But let's just say this French guy didn't charge Thai rates. He had a warm and open personality. He took his time. His massage was exactly what I needed in terms of intensity. Plus, he works with pressure points, which was a very pleasant experience. The transition from sensual to erotic was seamless. He knows what he's doing, and he enjoys it himself. After the climax, it wasn't a quick pay-and-go. No, even then he took his time. Lying in each other's arms, chatting a bit. And he gave me a wonderful head massage. We talked about pressure point techniques and Chinese medicine. A well-spent afternoon. He also happens to be incredibly creative. At the guesthouse where he's staying by the river in Bangkok, he's working on a mural depicting various world cities. He's a professionally trained dancer, which explains his toned body and flexibility, so to speak... But above all, he has a great personality. If you search on the Hunqz website, you'll find him. It was the last night in Bangkok for a fellow forum member I'd met in Bangkok this week. So we decided to go out for dinner together again. We chose G's, as my dinner companion put it, "to stay loyal to Guido." I eat at Guido's every time I'm in Bangkok. And I always have a schnitzel. But since I'd already had it two nights ago, I decided to try a Thai dish this time. And that was delicious too. Also happy te report that Guido's pussy is still in full action. Alive and kicking at the terrace. After dinner, we went across the street for a drink on the terrace of Banana Club. On the terrace, yes. It was still early, there wasn't a show yet. But sitting there gave us the opportunity to watch people walk by. I always love that: people watching. And because the music wasn't nearly as loud as at other terraces further down the Soi, we were able to have a decent conversation. After my late afternoon escapades, I wasn't planning on finding a guy tonight. But after my fellow forum member left for his hotel, I decided to check out Jupiter anyway. I remember their show being very entertaining, even if I wasn't planning on bringing a guy. Upon entering, I was initially assigned a spot on a bar stool. After sitting there for a while, I asked to move to a bench. Sitting on a bar stool for extended periods of time isn't comfortable for me. Luckily, it wasn't too busy (yet), so I found another spot. Later, the place started filling up considerably. From the second show onward, at least all the benches were occupied, and some of the bar stools further back were as well. A friendly papasan confirmed my suspicion that the boy I had my eyes on at first was "boy" and not "gay." But he would point out which boys were gay during the next parade. And he did. With his laser pointer. When the parade ended, he gathered four of the gay boys from that evening. Without me knowing, they were suddenly all standing behind me. And asked if I could pick one. Awkward. But helpful. A boy who had been smiling at me during the parade was the nicest one in my opinion. So I agreed to have a drink with him during the next show. The boy confirmed that he was up for "anything" and would happily join me to make me "happy." I held my ground. And after we sat close together during the show, with my hand occasionally running over his muscles and his hand on my knee, I told him I'd love to come back next time and take him along. I did give him 200 baht as a tip for his time and company. He was great company, especially because he spoke reasonable English. By the way, he claimed to be from Bangkok. Originally. I don't hear that very often. Most Thai guys I talk to in bars are from somewhere in the countryside.

Decided to have a few days up in Bangkok to address a touch of retail therapy, 2nd hand Japanese Electronic Goods Market down in Samrong as well as Fortune Town by Rama 9. Also allowed for a catch up with members @Keithambrose and @floridarob (again) as he passed through on his way down to Bali. Met up with @floridarob & @Reader at G’s, and was treated after the meal by Guido to a sharing platter of “Kaiserschmarrn“, literal translation, Emperor’s mess, a traditional German / Austrian dish of shredded pancakes with raisins and “Zwetschgenröster“, or plum jam as we call it in English. Absolutely fantastic. Took a wander over to Rainbow Dragon Bar on Patpong 2 Alley, just across the road from the world famous 7 Star Emporium of Chicken & Cashew Nuts, only 1 other couple there when we arrived, music not OTT so easy to hold a conversation. Also gets my vote as serves an excellent tonic water, rather than the yellow canned variety that ubiquitous to Thailand and SEA that destroys any taste or texture of a decent gin. 3 other groups arrived before we left, so all booths in use, plus a couple at the bar. Following evening met up again at Wine Connection at Silom Complex for a pizza. As the name implies, there is a mini wine cellar, so you can have a rummage and choose your wine which is costed at shop price, so no restaurant mark-up or corkage fee. Wine, 2 pizzas, 1 garlic bread and a water was 1,545:50THB. Beware any Coke drinkers, this is a Pepsi place. Also, you get 10% discount off the food element of your bill if you pay via a Thai Bank. Next headed over to Fresh Boys in Patpong 2 Alley to catch the end of the 22:15 show. Luckly wasn’t raining, so the steps were easily manageable. No entry fee, but 400THB per drink. The Candle show was free flowing with wax, unfortunately the boys were wearing Speedo’s, consequently, no encore of a self-made Church Pillar candle! A bit of grimacing by the boy on the receiving end of the Sadistic Show when being battered. Room was full, with a large party taking up the far-right side as you walk in, so only the stage facing seating and window side seating available for customers. Stayed for the 22:55 show as well, large cocks on display throughout, shower show extremely frothy, and the best bit was the display of “Tubular Bells”, admittedly; not very musical, as the same Dance Pole was used throughout, a couple of boys winced after their display! Did notice all boys wearing condoms, so good to know the venue is practicing safe-sex! After the Pole show, the boys wandered about soliciting a grope and a feel for a tip. Due to complete lack of apparel, no @vinapu tucks were administered. Bade goodnight to @Reader and headed down to Midnight Bar for another drink. For those not familiar with Midnight, it’s on street level underneath Fresh Boys & Hotmale Club. Bottle of beer only 140THB, Spirits from 150 to 220THB, or VSOP Brandy’s at 350THB. Open till 04:00. Noticed various boys dropped in for a quick one (a drink that is!), whilst we stayed till kicking out time. Took a wander over to Soi Than Tawan, and popped in to Than Tawan Bar, PapaSan escorted me in so I could take a butchers (look) inside, venue full, admittedly with slightly more boys than customers, but packed. Said we would return tomorrow and was promised drinks at 350THB before 22:00. Took a look in Super A Boy Cocktail Lounge, nothing doing, so headed off to McDonalds for an early breakfast. Next evening @floridarob and myself met up at Happy Beer Garden for some food, made the mistake of not realising the page of Tiger Prawn dishes were sold by weight, so was shocked at the 950THB at the end. Did taste delicious though! Wandered over to Than Tawan to take advantage of the pre 22:00 discount. True to their word, drinks at 350THB. 1 other customer present. Boy drinks at 500THB, and Off-Fee at 1,000! Plenty of boys on show, full muscle, large but not bulging muscle, Twunks, and wannabe Twunks; aka Twinks. About 16 different performers whilst we were there across the 4 displays. Left just after 22:00 as the drinks went up, slight detour via Super A to check the merchandise and headed back to Patpong 2 Alley, popped my head into Good Boy, relatively busy. Drinks at 400, shows at 22:00, 23:30 & 01:00, and via the Underwear stall (real, genuine designer swimmers, briefs and shorts all from 50THB) on Silom Road; just in front of Silom Edge, ended back down to Midnight. ‘Me Colleague’ fell to the perversive charms of the local basket girl and ended up buying a collection of battery powered cat toys. After a couple of beers, called it a night and headed off.

I hope this is suitable to post here, as I didn’t want to start a new post. Made my annual pilgrimage to Dreamboys, first time sitting through their full show in this current location. I rarely go more than once a year for various reasons, although I did poke my head in to apprise the wares earlier this year. I met a friend and his boy earlier in the evening and we all agreed we wanted to see a show but couldn’t agree where. Friend felt his boy wouldn’t be comfortable at Jupiter “too snooty” and we all felt disinterest in Moonlight so Dreamboys it was. No door fee but they charge you 500 baht for every drink what a rip off. On a Friday night, bar was respectably full with the usual mix of punters and tourists. It was refreshing to be reminded that (unlike Jupiter and Moonlight) Dreamboys show doesn’t take itself too seriously. There was one glitzy and rather spectacular Thai traditional dress number featuring the only good looking ladyboy in the whole of Patpong, along with some proper, professionally trained dancers so that was a pleasure to watch. The lead boy dancer, an attractive twink, received a big tip from a regular and he did not show up with a number tag later on so my guess is that he was really hired just to perform. They also stole the “I’m so sexy” number from Jupiter but instead of being performed by straight boy and ladyboy, here it was performed by two boys and an actual blow job. The other notable number was a stout “ladyboy” (or a male pretending to be one) in nightmare inducing clown make up, who pulled yards of ribbon out of his arsehole in full view , stringing it around the stripper pole and waving it at the more squeamish tourists. Boy line up at Dreamboys is always a mixed bag, ranging from young and fresh to fifties and greying (honestly this particular boy seems to have aged out of the market but I guess he was still here because there were takers). I spotted a familiar face of an ex Moonlight twunk and wondered aloud why he did not continue to work in Moonlight, or at least Jupiter, as he was one of the most attractive boys there. My friend’s boy, overhearing, explained that some boys do try to work in the classier bars but if they go a couple of weeks with no business, they move on. Other less attractive boys have already been rejected especially by the notoriously high standards Jupiter. Or some boys misbehaved while at Jupiter and were thrown out. There was one case of a boy who videod his encounter with a customer. I spotted two gym fit twunks who were my taste. One had a perplexing tattoo on his left bicep which could either have been a landscape or the head of an eagle, while I do not remember his number there is no missing him as he has “Shan State” inked in large letters down his forearm just in case he might be mistaken for Thai, or heaven forbid, Lao. The other is number 20 with an obliging manner and a septum piercing. The next few numbers were the obligatory wooden footed boys with waving cocks aplenty, and a “special show” where boys who were willing were paraded around the audience with cocks out for a grope. Offs seemed to be occurring at a brisk pace despite the varying quality of boys, with every rotation a number of boys disappeared unlike Jupiter where even the studs can be on stage until the bitter end. Shan State was snapped up so I consoled myself with #20. Friend’s boy and later #20 explained that rates at Dreamboys were also cheaper, starting at 1,500 or even 1,000 for “drinking”. Side note: the regular customer I mentioned earlier was a female in a very strange outfit and a big black hat, as though she was a rejected auditionee from Wicked. Could have been Thai, but based on her other female companion, Japanese seems likely. She made a point of tipping every ladyboy and performer, and a few boys, all of whom made a big fuss of greeting her. Final extravaganza featured two ladyboys prancing amidst billowing cloths and four boys in the most outlandish headgear, mini fans strapped to their foreheads featuring light projections of hunks and “Dreamboys” as well as “Songkran 2025” so must have been sponsored props too extravagant to be discarded. Has to be seen to be believed. We left, my friend with his boy, and me with number 20, for a final beer at a small local bar near Super A (not recommended) before calling it a night.

I walked by today and here’s a quick update. They were working on the bar with the question mark and I saw the owner of M-Bar there so it looks like he could be adding it to his existing portfolio on M-Bar and Sunee Bar. I should have taken a photo when I went by the first time and the door was open. The Dragon Music Lounge will be reopening soon under new ownership. A guy at Sunbar told me it’s going to be called PP Bar. Fun Bar is undergoing major renovations. I’m not sure if the name will change.

Arrival at airport on a Friday evening was mad! Many arrivals, mostly from European countries. Long queues. I had to wait 45 minutes. And this was because the immigration officials were scrutinising Asian individuals. I could hear questions such as "Where you stay in Thailand?" and "How many days you stay?" Isn't all the information already submitted online? I believe the officials wanted the individuals to give the responses directly themselves. I also saw them being asked to open their handphones to show their online submissions. Obviously, being a solo traveller and being Asian, I was worried that the same scene would befall me. I thought of questions they might ask. "Why you come to Thailand almost every month?" "Last year you come 2 times. This year you come 8 times." But when it was my turn, no questions were asked. The immigration lady smiled at me and let me off! I wonder if she knows why I come so many times 😜

After checking out of Raya at 12pm, I walked over to soi 3 to check into Silom Serene. I booked it for 3 nights until Friday then I would move to condo with kitchen. A young tall cute Thai hotel staff welcomed me into the hotel. He kept my luggage one side and gave me a ticket to claim it later at 2pm when hotel check-in begin for my booking. What to do for 2 hours? Go for a massage for course! I crossed Silom Road and went to Sun Massage, the first massage shop in soi 6. I have been visiting this shop because of the cute Vietnamese guys. Hehe. Not many staff on Tuesday noon. About 6 to 7 guys. I picked one guy and up we went to top floor. As this was my first time with this guy (the guys I met previously have not arrived for work), he did not know me so he was fully clothed during the massage. It was only after 30 minutes that he asked me, "Body to Body?" Yes, of course! After the massage, I walked downstairs. Massage guy offered me hot green tea to drink which I appreciated because most of such shops only gave bottled ice water. As I sipped my tea, I looked at the guys waiting at entrance. More guys now. About 15. None of them I met before otherwise awkward conversation. I headed to hotel, checked-in and guess who carried my luggage up to room? Young Thai gentleman! He wore a nametag with words "Trainee". I asked for his name. "My name is Pao Pao. Nice to meet you." Yes, nice to meet you. I thanked him for helping me and slipped him a 100-baht note before he left. 20251202_140713.mp4

I was about to go back to hotel with my guy but a forum member messaged to say he wanted to check out Freshboys. Yes, I will wait for you. We went inside at 9.15pm. We were the only customers but we enjoyed seeing the guys in their white shorts on rotation on stage. We sat in seats directly facing the stage. We had their attention and smiles. My guy did not follow me into bar. He said he would wait outside. He didn't want me to pay for his drink. I had already paid his off fee for 4 nights in advance. Mamasan sat next to me and said hello. She didn't ask customary question "what number you like?" She knew I already offed my guy. There were 30 plus guys working today. I know a number of them personally as they are my guy's friends. Many of them have interesting stories. At 9.30pm, an Asian customer walked in with his boyfriend. They sat at sofa by the side and called down 6 to 7 guys to join them. According to my guy, this regular customer orders 3 bottles of whisky whenever he comes and the guys drink with him. He would tip them generously. Two of my guy's friends are part of the customer's favourites. "He no like me so he no choose me." I replied that it's ok - better for your liver! By 9.45pm, the bar was filled with many customers. The first show starts at 10.15pm. My friend had decided on a guy to off. We could leave. We didn't need to watch the show. I met my guy outside. "Are you hungry?" I asked. No, he said. Off we went to hotel room. End of day 4.

First stop was Good Boys. A new video projection had been installed to make the stage more impressive for performances. I offed a guy whom I knew was fun and good company. We went off to Jupiter next to watch the models and a portion of the show. Poppy wasn't singing. "Poppy come tomorrow" one of the mamasans said to me. At 11.15pm, it was time to move off to a new venue - GASS. It just opened recently. There were gogo boy dancers and I wanted to check them out. Located above White Rabbit, GASS is a cosy longish space the size of two and a half Raya hotel rooms. Decent gay crowd half Thai half foreigners. A few ladies with the Thai groups. 600 baht for 2 drinks. Gogo boy dancers performed every half hour. Can get close to them to tip them. Overall fun experience. 20251129_000027.mp4

Final update: The last stop was Takki from Tokyo kids. https://kids-jp.com/tken/boysp.html?key=1747825636 I got him straight from the shop. I was shown upstairs into a room and asked to wait for him. I had come twice already that same night in 24 kaikan onsen, so I didn’t mind that he was marked “for oral sex only” in the menu, I thought I couldn’t do much more fucking anyway. He turned up looking exactly like his pictures and wearing a high school uniform adapted with recent fashionable additions that young men like to wear. I didn’t need that but I can see that it must appeal to the local clients. I undress him and we started with kissing and after shower, I spent most of the time licking his cute adorable body. The guy had hair on his pubes, and very few in his armpits, but none anywhere else: no hair around his hole and none on his balls. I sucked him a lot and then rimmed him extensively which he was obviously not used to. His ass was firm, hairless and completely blemish-free, so I really enjoyed spending a lot of time with my nose and tongue in there. I think that opened his mind about fucking because he did open his legs to give my tongue more easy access. when I went back to sucking him he let me finger him a bit at the same time. I put some lube up his ass to do that. I was so hard I thought I should try my luck and open his legs and rub my cock against his hole. He didn’t mind and actually let me put the tip in. I managed to make very small movements inside him while jerking him off which was enough, after quite a long time, for me to cum inside him. So now I can claim I bred a guy that was “only for oral sex” at TK. I gave him an extra 5000 as a tip for letting me cum inside him. I am really sorry that I have to leave Japan and their cheap agency boy prices. I didn’t have time to try the Danshi Gakuen or “An independence” agencies which are in the same area, too much good choices from these two places.

I am in Tokyo right now, staying in Shinjuku. I tried to go to King of College at 8 pm but there were only 2 boys to choose from. https://maps.app.goo.gl/4sTVeFdDsEnbnA3R6?g_st=ic I was told there would be many more around 10 pm. One of the 2 guys was quite handsome, but since the Tokyo kids bar is just around the corner, I left to see what was there. https://maps.google.com?q=35.6903454,139.7076577&entry=gps&lucs=,94297699,94275411,94224825,94227247,94227248,94231188,94280568,47071704,47069508,94218641,94282134,94203019,47084304,94286869&g_st=ic That bar doesn’t actually have guys present, you choose one from an iPad. I chose Daiya which I had my eye on from a very long time (been planning this trip and have a long list of boys I want to try) https://kids-jp.com/tken/boypc.html?key=1726463879 So the bar is useless because you choose the guy on an iPad, then he comes from the other TK location (https://maps.app.goo.gl/bso3mJorc34ZSN1Z6?g_st=ic) to pick you up, and take you back there where they have the bedrooms! They didn’t even offer me a drink while I was waiting for him. I recommend you go straight to their main location and avoid the bar. Once in the room, we kissed, then showered, and then got to it. God what a good choice! What a trooper! He was very very friendly throughout. His skin is not as flawless as in the pictures but he looks amazing. He has also bulked up since the pics where taken you can properly feel his abs. He is verse and I decided I wanted to get fucked, so I asked him to do that. He did so for 30 minutes non stop! He was so tender and attentive and was so into it at the same time, kissing me looking straight into my eyes, I could also sense he was focusing on his own pleasure which I found quite hot. He is not doing just because of the money, he wants some pleasure out of it. After about 20 minutes of missionary his cock hit just the right spot while his abs were rubbing against my cock (which he had lubbed up). It felt so good I came hands free! He did notice but kept going. I was his hole for the hour and not just a customer. He fucked me hard for another ten minutes and then came deep inside me. I was in heaven. I asked if I could fuck him next time and he said yes. Strong recommended if you can book him. I had another 3 guys from that area, I will report a bit later.

As much as I could fit in, plus cum!

I've been going to Thailand every year since 2012. There were two years I even went twice. I know, I can't quite match some other forum members here in that respect. Like @vinapu, who suddenly shows up unannounced in Bangkok about every two months (I like to exaggerate). But I'd still call myself a seasoned Thailand-goer. For the first two years, I was amazed and disbelieving by the shows full of nudity and sex, and the ease with which you could select and "buy" boys to go with you via a number tag on their underwear. But those days are long gone. You don't surprise or shock me that easily anymore. I also think the shows have become less explicit in general. Of course, there are still plenty of "big dicks" on parade during showtime. But... I don't encounter a nude underwater show or the acrobatic fuck scenes where the boys hang in rings live on stage in the trapege anymore. But I still enjoy visiting different boy bars and looking for the nicest, most handsome guy who's also into the things you're looking for. In short: I'm back in Thailand! First a week in Bangkok, then a week in Pattaya, and then another week in Bangkok. I'm going to try to write an interesting trip report

At noon, we checked out of the hotel and took a few steps crossing soi 3 to Oasis Condominium to move into airbnb for remaining of my trip. My guy was very helpful in carrying my luggage! 🥰 Nice condo unit with kitchen. My guy looked at the kitchen and showed his approval. "You want I cook for you?" Yes, I said and I gave him 1000 baht to go to market. He went out while I unpacked. Half an hour later, he was back with ingredients and supplies. Now it was my turn to go out. I had to buy water for the next 4 days. I came back and saw my guy busy cooking. I hugged him from behind and gave him a kiss. "Thank you for cooking for me," I said. Another 30 minutes later, lunch was ready!

that's sure thing but khaolakguy quoted belowi is right few years ago I had similar heats and since it ended well , there's story: on my way to OTHER bar I stopped to hand over small tip (50 or 100) , smiled and continued my way. Upon return I was greeted with smile on approach so slipped another small tip , smiled even more broadly and went away. day or two later - repeat but this time I was greeted with 'how are you ? " on my way , still to a different bar. Returning 1-2 hrs later I was met with extended hand , gave another tip and was rewarded with " one day we need to have a beer together" . It did not happen because it was my last day but I was back few weeks later and was greeted with smile and reminder about the beer. This time I discretely whispered "when?" , 'I will let you know " was the answer. So I ordered a meal , half way through the meal asked him if he wants a beer, he did. It was enough to be informed that his day of was Sunday so I suggest ' lets meet on Sunday. Which lead to exchanging Line. When I had Line things went fast so we meet over beer in place by my hotel, I invited him for a dinner which was enough to hear suggestion " why we don t buy some beers at 7/11 and drink in your room to save money" . It was like getting phone from lottery office ' you just won 1.7 million ' or something . In the room we both behaved for a first round but when we opened second slowly but surely , not that slowly but certainly very surely things moved toward , how to say it , less formal atmosphere. In short, smile ensuring I'm interested with a little help of money steered guy to right direction without me being pushy or offensive which would certainly put him off.

4 of us made our way to Tawan and were seated just before 10.30pm. About 10 customers and surprise surprise there were close to 20 guys working! And yes, some Atlas guys had transferred over! 4 of them if I remember correctly. Variety of guys available including 3 pleasant looking twunks - whom I tipped before leaving later. What I enjoyed about the evening was the atmosphere. The guys on stage did not look bored or disinterested. Some were smiling at customers while others bantered among themselves. They looked like they enjoyed working. At 11pm, the show began. Typical Tawan show. Nothing new. But the guys displayed more energy and enthusiasm so kudos to boss for his powers of motivation. At 11.30pm, the show ended and my group made our way to Foodland for supper and we chatted for an hour. We even took a group photo outside Foodland with Virgin bar as the backdrop! We went our separate ways and I took my guy back to hotel.

After chess at Foodland, my guy and I took a walk around Patpong. The other 2 guys went back, happy with their short time tip for playing chess. When my guy and I walked past Midnight beer bar, the waiters saw us holding our chess sets and shouted to us, "Chess! We can play chess!" Intrigued and skeptical, I sat down with them. I passed them my chess set and asked them to set up the board for a game. This was what they came up with...

Hotmale was next. About 10 customers. Twice as many guys on stage, all wearing sexy different-coloured bikini briefs. They were smiling and were friendly. We stayed short while only. I tipped two of them 100 baht each using Vinapu tuck! From Hotmale, it was a short walk to Freshboys. Unlike Moonlight and Freshboys, it was packed! We walked in just before the midnight show (very sexy!) started. The only available seats left for us were the ones near the door. I saw my regular guy and said hello. We subsequently went off to supper at Foodland before going to hotel. We will be spending the next few nights together away from the bar.

The guys at Phoenix Massage are from Laos and don't speak English. They are average next door type guys. I told manager I know about the 199 baht promotion this weekend. I quickly handed over 200 baht to him. I spotted a twink seated down who had flashed a smile at me. I pointed at him and then pointed a finger back at myself. He played coy and turned away but I kept my eyes on him. Finally our eyes met and he smiled. Bingo! I told manager I would have massage by him. Up we went to top floor into a rather large room with en suite toilet. An hour passed and we were both happy - me with his service and him with my tip. He is one of the guys in the photo advert from the shop sent through Line. Very smooth and cute. Hehe.

These two are connected in a way I've been saying for years. Bars should learn from this and should offer fun experiences with personal interactions for affordable fees instead of depending solely on winning the jackpot of getting offs. The price of an off may be too high and the majority-Asian male visitors baulk at the rates. So, the bars try to pull in women -- but they like conversation, drinking and attention (and they spoil the gay vibe of the brand) rather than offing. For the bars, I have recently mentioned (again) the mystery of why private lap dances are not available as options. And as @vinapu has said, this notion of a fashion-parade-type catwalk with unsmiling models is senseless. It appears to be geared to women though. Psychologically, women feel a bit threatened when men smile at them uninvited, so the "modus operandi" of catwalking has developed this look-into-the-distance style. And Thai-style management simply copies, not known for thinking critically outside the box. I feel sorry for the boys. The bars' business goals (sell drinks) destroy their livers, yet give them little income. They're really better off working in massage places (where boys can average 3 customers a day at 1,500 - 2,000 baht per customer) than in bars. Long-time visitors to Bangkok like us may not be put off by such bad branding, but the test is whether newer visitors can feel welcome in such a vibe, and whether the experience is affordable or value for money.

By the way, after two nights at the Méridien Hotel, I changed hotels again. My budget doesn't allow for a longer stay in such an expensive hotel. So I stayed at the Ibis Styles Silom next, where I've stayed several times during my visits to Bangkok. And I always liked that hotel. Those who know it will remember that the bathroom tiles are very colorful and distinctive. It's funny to see different guys on Grindr with their profile pictures taken in a bathroom at the Ibis Styles. Then you at least know they're staying nearby... Or at least they can easily find the hotel if you invite them. Haha

Describing anything at an Ibis hotel as big is bringing into question how big the black cocks really were 😝 It is.... if you accept the price eagerly, keep in mind many talk to each other as do the guys from Madagascar in Pattaya... It's Thailand, no one gets offended by friendly negotiations or counter offers, except divas and some on this board 😁

@abidismaili - I hope you're not thinking that somehow boys treat some other forum members better (by quickly shedding their clothes) than they treat you 🤣 It varies depending on the shop's policy, and also may vary depending on the boy. Most Type 2 shops, e.g. those in Silom Soi 6, want to maintain an image of real massage, and the boys negotiate inside the room. Obviously, it won't make sense for them to strip until negotiations are successful. The Type 4 shops such as Prince and Arena are "all-inclusive" and so there's less need to maintain any image of wholesomeness. It can also vary with the boy, or with how familiar with boy is with you. My regulars, even at Type 2 shops, strip from the start because they know that that's where we're going.

BANGKOK DAY 2 If I have time in between, I'll write something for my trip report. But it is, of course, a vacation after all. So I won't be updating daily. The second day in Bangkok. Time to change hotels to the luxurious Le Méridien. I always love the rooms here. Beautiful, spacious bathroom. Wonderful bath to relax in. And the beds are very comfortable. The breakfast buffet is truly extensive. Delicious. Another forum member also checked into the Méridien the same day I did. While chatting, we discovered we'd been given rooms on the same floor. What are the odds of that in a 24-story hotel? We decided to have a drink together that evening to get acquainted. He was already sitting on the terrace of Shenanigans, and I went to find him there. We had a nice, friendly chat. We then decided to walk around the corner together to check out one of the boy bars. We decided to go to Freshboys. They had a good selection of guys. I'd say there was something for everyone. My eye fell on number 9. He had curly hair, which made him stand out among all the other guys. He seemed very shy. Inquiring revealed he was from Myanmar and was "flexible" gay. Fellow forum member had left a bit earlier, and after I'd finished my drink, I decided to check out Dreamboy. It used to be my favorite boy bar back in the Soi Twilight days, the first few times I came to Bangkok. Because of its size (two floors) and the many boys. And the spectacular shows. Who doesn't remember the acrobatic sex scenes on stage? And the ladyboys showing off their erect penises? When I entered Dreamboy, I was reminded that it's still the biggest boy bar today. A very large stage. And quite a few boys, even though it was already late. It was funny to see that several mamasans/papasans who were already working in Soi Twilight were still there. They were about to close. A papasan who recognized me told me to come earlier tomorrow. He'd find me a really good boy then... I'm curious!

A different night, I went to check the gay onsen in that same area. https://maps.app.goo.gl/QQoawgDH57KYCBiN6?g_st=ic It works the same as any onsen in terms of the entrance and the towels and the bathrobes, as well as the wet areas etc. if you don’t know what I am talking about, go to a straight one first and learn the ropes of the Japanese Onsen there. From what I saw, the clients were only about 50% Japanese. The rest were tourists. The 24 kaikan Onsen has 3 floors: 2nd floor is the entrance, the lockers and a juice bar which was not manned when I got there, 3rd floor is the wet areas, and 4th floor is the resting areas. There many differences with a straight onsen. First people are not trying to hide their junk at all, showing it seems to be much more common than in another onsen, especially in the wet areas, Second there are dark showers, dark saunas, dark steam rooms and dark “spray” rooms where a lot of sex is happening. I say dark, but you can see well enough to see who you might want to suck or not. Some guys there just hookup in pairs on the spot and start sucking each other and kissing. Some guys just want to suck as many dicks as possible and so open their mouth wide and let anyone who want a BJ enter that mouth. People line up for that. Some guys go for full sex in the semi dark and when that happens a lot of guys gather around to watch and jerk off. Your hand doesn’t necessarily have to grab your own cock in these gatherings, you can grab someone else and usually that is fine. I find that if I start to suck a guy, (rarely rejected except by very young guys, because who doesn’t want to get a free BJ in these situations? Seeing others getting a BJ makes one so horny) then he will soon be happy to, first, jerk me off and then suck me. I got sucked a couple of times and also I fucked one guy in the showers. I was so horny I came in just 2 minutes, a hot hole is irresistible for me. In the resting areas, there are beds that are much more comfortable than, say thermae yu’s sofas and resting chairs. There is also a smoking area and a porn room to watch porn. The beds are proper beds with pillows, fitting sheets and nice mattresses. I felt very comfortable in them. The resting rooms are also pretty dark, much darker than any resting areas in an onsen. Once you are there resting, you will hear the sound of kissing, cock sucking and even fucking in the same room. I found it very nice to relax in a proper bed, knowing that the people around me were having a good time and a really enjoying themselves. If you open your bathrobe to present your ass and open your legs while pretending to sleep, someone will soon come and caress it. If you lie on your back instead and present a hard cock, someone will offer to suck it. I am not attractive but I had some very decent approaches. There was also a cute Japanese guy who was getting fucked in turn by two other Japanese guys. They finished inside him and kissed him goodbye without making him cum. I was watching that and saw he stayed behind lying down and still stroking his cock. I offered to suck him and he seemed so happy to have more action. After a while he was opening his legs wide and asking to get fucked again. I obliged. Fucking a guy full of hot cum is awesome, I hope I can do this more often! I came too quickly but another guy was watching us closely and my bottom was already stroking his cock while I was fucking him, so after I finished I said to him “your turn, he needs more cum”. That guy went in right away. I didn’t stay to watch anymore, I was done for now, and I still wanted to try another cutey at TK so I left them. I hope that hungry bottom got as much cum inside him mixed together as he wanted to have: Those hungry open bottoms provide an amazing service to the community, I wish them all well.

At last, somebody agrees 🤩 I have been saying the same for years, From a business perspective, bars should choose between being a showbar or an offing bar. The conflict between the two business models is such that any bar that tries to do both will have to walk a very narrow line with a high risk of failure. A showbar needs volume because putting up shows is costly. The nature of the shows also tends to feature drag queens who bring no erotic value to gay men (with only rare exceptions). They attract straight audiences, and the bars get addicted to the straight audiences because they need volume (it gets into a vicious cycle). It doesn't take long to drive away gay customers who are the backbone of any offing business model. Show bars also need floor area because they need to accommodate a surge crowd at show time (how else to monetise the hoped-for volume?), backstage space, maybe high ceilings too. Rent costs become significant as a result, yet outside of showtime, you're paying rent for under-utilised space. Banana bar is one such bar teetering on the edge. It succeeds as a showbar but I wonder how many offs the boys there get... and if they don't get enough offs, why work there any more? An offing bar doesn't need a show. It just needs a small, intimate space (e.g. the size of Thantawan bar) with a small stage in a corner. It needs a good slate of boys carefully selected to suit the tastes of whatever customer/market segment the bar is aiming for, from twink to twunk to chunk to hunk. I would recommend that boys go up to the stage one at a time for a 5-minute sensual striptease act (without going "all the way") -- so that customers can see what the physique is like in order to decide on an off. Without a show, there is no need to cater for any surge crowd, so a small bar will do, keeping rent low. There is no need to hire waiters or staff associated with show production. The business focus of such a bar is to get the boys off'd. The above (a pure offing bar) is actually a proven model. Toy Boys operates something similar except that they still have boys standing on stage bored to death. And clearly Toy Boys has staying power. The latest post on ShamelesssMack describes a pure offing bar in Tokyo, King of College. It is a successfull, long-running business. It doesn't even have a strip show. Many of the Sunnee bars were like Toy Boys too, with a primary focus on boys on offer. When they had dancing, my best memories were the bars where the boys moved around the room, dancing right at your table (or on it) thereby creating a personalised experience for the customer. Sunnee bars' demise was not because the model didn't work, it was because their selection of boys skewed strongly to the tasts of a particular generation of western customers and didn't evolve with demographic changes. When that generation of western retirees began dying off, the bars failed to tap into the huge growth in Asian customers in Thailand's tourism profile (which would have necessitated a revamp of the type of boys that bars had). Granted, it's a lot more complicated than that in that Asian gay males have been staying mainly in Bangkok and are much less interested in going to Pattaya. So it is a chicken-and-egg question too. But even this tells us something else - the utter lack of any marketing. Asian gay males will go to Pattaya if businesses would only advertise. But of course, they also need to understand carefully what type of boys Asian customers like and ensure the bar has the desired type. Look at Bangkok's massage parlours, from low end to high end. They're in rude health! They advertise furiously. If only the bars would learn from what they're doing. I have also previously said that an offing bar can add to its sales revenue (and the boys' earnings) by offering private dances in a cubicle: Ten minutes of stripping all the way, gyrating and inviting groping for a reasonable fee, say 500 - 600 baht. This is akin to the sort of personalised fun experience that the best Sunnee bars offered. Through private dancers, boys can earn extra income in addition to being off'd. Customers can "buy" 2 or 3 private dancers to check out 2 or 3 boys before deciding which one to off. Right now, the boys' earning model is more or less an "all or nothing" game. They're either off'd and earn big money, or they earn next to nothing during the evening. Forum members here on gayguides may say that the boys also earn drink tips or "you look handsome" tips, but boys can't earn enough from such tips alone. Furthermore, always bear in mind that fact the customer profile is mainly Asian. Look carefully and the truth is that most Asian customers don't tip as liberally. An Asian customer sees far less value in calling a boy down for a drink because it is unlikely that the boy can speak Chinese, Korean or Japanese. It's a rule of thumb: customers need to see value before they spend, and a private dance is one way of offering value. It's a mystery to me why it is so rare for bars to think about the value proposition for the customer. They do more of the same unthinkingly, without asking themselves how to ensure that customers see value in patronising my bar. More tricky perhaps, they don't know how to analyse value conflicts. What is value to one type of customer (the straight couple that want either a drag show or a gawk show) is disvalue to the gay customer who is prepared to off a boy (but is put off by the heterosexual vibe and the very public exposure he has to endure in a bar with gawking customers).

Start your countdown, my friend! Unfortunately, my trip didn't end on a happy note because of a misunderstanding with my guy. Both of us did silly hurtful actions. But we are ok now after we calmed down and said sorry to each other. We spent the last two days chatting and listening to each other's views. Now we appreciate and love each other more.

A few notes about my stay in Pattaya the last week: I went to O Delices Bakery a few times for breakfast. It's diagonally across from Soda Massage. They have delicious breakfast combos, and the guys who work there are mostly as good as the breakfast/lunch they serve. In short: a good spot for some eye candy. I had a special Thanksgiving dinner at Zing Resort. What impressed me was the quality of the food. I don't know if their regular meals are as good, but if they have a special package for holidays (Christmas, New Year's, Thanksgiving, etc.), I definitely recommend it. After the shows at M2M, The Venue, and Best Bar, I also went to Candy Bar. Their show has a different theme every night, and apparently, Saturdays are their sexiest. So I checked that one out. And indeed, the guys (and ladyboys) are wearing less clothing than usual. The show has a burlesque theme. It builds up nicely. While it starts off somewhat tame, it gets a bit more risqué as the show progresses, without ever going over the edge of raunchy. The performers are passionate and connect with the audience. I had a really great evening there. It's definitely on par with my favorite M2M shows so far.

After massage at Phoenix, I walked back to Saphan Kwai BTS. Before reaching BTS, I entered the small soi where 39 Underground Sauna is. I was told that there is a place next to it called 39 Hornet. On the first floor is a cafe which serves coffee and cakes and on the 2nd to 4th floors are cruising areas including dark maze! Interesting concept. I could make up the shape of one guy giving blowjob to another guy seated in the corner of the 4th floor in the darkness. On the 2nd floor at entrance of dark maze, there's a TV showing gay porn. Guys could sit on a red sofa facing the TV and check out guys passing through on their way to the dark maze. No action for me. Just checking out the place on way from Saphan Kwai back to Silom.

PP bar had their soft opening last night in Jomtien complex. Bar looks really fresh. With very soft comfortable sofas where you can spent some time with your favourite boy of the day. The will officially open beginning next week. So actually only in a few days from now. Staff on sight could not give any details about the owner, or why bar is called PP.

LAST DAY IN BANGKOK BEFORE MOVING TO PATTAYA Today the plan was to finally see something of Bangkok. My family and colleagues back home will get suspicious if I don't show any photos of Bangkok. What have I been doing there all this time? Haha. That's why I went to Wat Paknam Phasi Charoen. It's famous for the gigantic Buddha statue on one of Bangkok's canals. This large statue was under construction for a long time, but has recently been restored to its former glory. And I'd never been there before. It's very beautiful. Highly recommended. Especially if you can find the "hidden" photo spot across the water. For your convenience, this is the Google Maps link to that photo spot: https://maps.app.goo.gl/8PPMpEYWP1mCqw4h9 In the evening, I had plans to pick up the cute guy I met yesterday in Jupiter. But first, I wanted to check out Atlas Bar. A new bar I've never been to really needs to be checked out. While I was checking some messages on my phone outside, two men wanted to go in. But they immediately turned around. I heard this was because there weren't any customers inside. So, I'm not going in. It's so awkward to be the only customer in a bar like that. Who knows, I might try it again soon when I get back from Pattaya. I decided to walk straight to Jupiter. I passed Rainbow Dragon. It was the first time I saw that there were actually quite a few people inside. It looked like some kind of event, with a drag queen shouting something into a microphone. It drew enthusiastic reactions from the audience. I don't know if they do drag shows there often or if this was a one-off. I find many of the boys at Jupiter attractive. So I always enjoy watching their boys' parade. My eye fell on a boy with slightly curly hair. He has a very muscular body, a cute face, and a mischievous smile. He also performs many of the show acts as a dancer and stripper. But... he seems to have a brother who also works there? Because there were two boys with curly hair who look alike. See the two photos below from the parade video on Jupiter's Facebook page, from the day I was there. One boy is walking at the beginning of the parade. The other is at the end. They do look alike, don't they? Who knows more? I didn't see the guy I'd spoken to yesterday in the parade, but luckily he came in right after. Papasan directed him straight to me. The deal was quickly made, since we'd actually agreed on it yesterday. Off to my hotel.

On my last full day in Bangkok, I was wondering what to do, when a message arrived from Grindr. 25yr old Myanmar guy, quite good looking, wanted to be fucked by a daddy. I sent him a pic, thinking that would be the end of it, but no! He was keen. Was on my bed within 15 mins, rock hard cock, passionate kissing , the lot. We had no time to discuss stamps! I duly fucked him, hopefully to his liking, we both came, I got to swallow, and was just wondering how this came about. As members know, I'm over 70, overweight, but it just shows what can happen. Hopefully, it will happen again, who knows!

Finally Monday. Last day of holiday. My day was spent at Centralworld and Big C doing shopping for folks at home. My guy came over in afternoon. I didn't want to meet overnight because I had a flight to catch the next morning. Dinner was with forum members followed by visit to Circus and finally to Hot Male. At midnight, time to call it a day. End of trip. Until next time, Bangkok!

Saturday was spent having Thai-Indonesian lunch with forum member, foot massage at Urban Thai (399 baht) and dinner at Shenanigans with my guy before he went to work. The night programme was karaoke and I brought 3 forum members to their first karaoke in Thailand. The place used to be known as Sky Bar but it has a new name now - H.i.M. Most people still call it Sky Bar. 8 of us altogether - 4 forum members plus 4 Myanmar guys whom I know enjoy singing and dancing. It was a entertaining night. We were there for 3 hours from 10pm to 1am. We toasted each other kampei (and Happy New Year and Merry Christmas) so many time that we finished one full bottle of Johnnie Walker whisky! There was nothing left for me to take back to room to continue drinking!

My guy and I stayed together in the room for the rest of the day and enjoyed each other's company. In evening, we went separate ways. He went to work at his bar while I went to meet forum members for dinner at G. After dinner, we went to Midnight and had drinks and more chats. I spotted Checkers Champion and he took out the checkers set which I had donated to the bar. Checkers Champion had a furrowed brow throughout our game. He was flabbergasted. He had never lost before but he was struggling now. Finally, he said ,"I resign. I lose." He sportingly removed his T-shirt, showing his muscular body. We had an agreement - I lose, I give him 100 baht. He loses, he takes off his shirt for a few minutes.

even if they do , we will never learn about it here because we are discreet gentlemen en masse . As for staff being straight , as with go-go and massage boys proclaiming the same , I have my doubts to a degree of that straightness when comes to job they actually do.

Hi. I’ve been in Bogota for 4 days with 2 more days here before heading to Medellin. a few thoughts as it’s my first time here: Museums: Museos del Banco de la República is a charming and beautiful little museum. It wasn’t too crowded. I appreciate Botero, he’s never been at the tops of who I love, but the pieces and sculpture they had were top notch and the layout and curation was excellent. Better than expected. Also, it was pretty cruisy. I chatted in my shitty Spanish with two guys visiting from Cartagena, a couple, they invited me over but I had lunch reservation. We traded numbers, but didn’t meet up. They left today. Que lastima b/c they were sexy. A couple other guys made some eyes also. Museo del Oro was another surprise. I’m much more of an art museum fan than history or artifacts. But it was well laid out. Super informational and interesting and the lighting was so good. Food: I did the fancy stuff. Leo and El Chato which are yeh two highest rated Colombian restaunts at #54 and #72 on the 100 best restaurants of the world list. They were fine. I’ll chalk it up to I’m not the biggest fan of Colombian food in general 😳. Harry Sasson was a standout tho. It’s an OG of the dining scene I’m told and it’s worth going for the beautiful room and the tortilla española and heart of palm salad alone. It’s very old Colombia… waiters in jackets, white tablecloths, excellent service, beautiful traditional room. But it wasn’t fussy. The other standout was La Puerta Falsa Restaurant. It’s tiny, 200+ years old and worth the hype. Yes it’s in all the guidebooks and yes you have to wait in line but the anjiaco and hot chocolate were soooooo good. I wanted a tamal too so I ordered one but it was way too much food. I couldn’t finish it and felt really guilty like a wasteful gringo. Just know that portions are huge if you go. Shopping: there has been one store that blew me away, it’s called St Dom. It only carries high end Colombian designers and they are both cutting edge and really high quality. I was super impressed. My experience with Colombian design is the quality is a little missing and the design is pretty basic. St Dom changed my mind. It’s in a beautiful space. The staff are helpful, flirty and charming. One guy who was managing particularly so. I said I’d go back and he gave his number. He had a great personality that won me over so that’ll happen (maybe tonight!) Guys: I’m not an apps guy. I’m now in my 40s and idea of staying out for Teatron isn’t my thing anymore. But I have followed you all and the tips. Met a guy at the gym who was really hot. And got a 4 hands from two twinks from here. Physically not exactly my type, but it was easy, safe and they were eager and we had fun. https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts-gay/vergones-follones-unicos-cons-eguridad-discrecion-en-chapinero-sede-edificio/25247891/ I like twunks and muscular who are on the shorter side and bottoms or taller muscle tops. Receiving oral and making out are important, experiences so far haven’t had a lot of that. Maybe it is cultural? If anyone has someone that you’d recommend and either has an ad or is ok with you sharing their info, DM me. Going in cold lends to so many hits and misses. Recs are better. Happy to share in return. I’m going horseback riding outside of city tomorrow and then Montserrat and a hike on next to last day. Anything (or anyone) I’m missing?

you should add " all money spent in Thailand on stamp collection"

I read about it this morning and was mildly curious. According to speculation in the Malay language media it is the Otot-otot sauna. Otot-otot opens at 5 PM on weekdays and at 3 PM on weekends. It may have gone through renovations and re-opened recently. What foreign visitors may not be aware of or noticed, is that the sauna is situated in a row of shop-lots where several evangelical churces or prayer meeting places are located, led by virulent African pastors. Friends and activists have reported being harrassed by them previously on the way to or upon leaving the sauna. I don't know whether this still happens or whether the churches are still active. The doctor who was caught is a surgeon. His risable excuse was that he was there to relax and get a reprieve from the traffic jam on his way home! 🤣 I bet his wife knows all about it too and turns the other cheek. Hey, he's a surgeon, isn't he? Not unusual as the most powerful man in our country right now (but not for long) is a Roy Cohn clone and his wife, an opthalmologist, has always turned the other cheek. I suppose she sees only what she wants to see. 🤷 The Muslim men who were caught, if charged, may be charged under the relevant Shari'ah provisions (as officers of the religious authority were in the raid team which itself is very interesting) but I have a feeling this was more of a shakedown or a distraction from larger events happening in the country right now. According to one of the reports, more than twenty civil servants were caught... and the KL police chief was there to oversee things? Really? That's a mighty powerful post and my guess is they're looking for certain fish to fry. Incidentally, the laws governing homosexual practices in Malaysia fall under the Penal Code - a colonial relic from the Victorian era - not the Shari'ah. Singapore, Pakistan and India have (or used to have) similar laws. Interestingly, Indonesia, the world's largest Muslim country, do not have such laws. I guess the Dutch who ruled for two hundred years weren't as curious or as uptight as the Brits about what two consulting adults did in the privacy of the bedroom - or the bushes. 🤷 Next...🥱

Yes they are biological brothers from Burma. The similar hairstyle (which is permed not natural) doesn’t help in telling them apart. Second pic is the older brother Amen who has worked at Jupiter since 2018 and used to be one of their best performers. He went home at some point over past two years and younger brother showed up this year and replaced Amen in the shows he used to do. I thought my eyes were playing tricks on me. Amen just came back in the last month. I don’t know if he’s reclaimed his spot but he used to be better looking and more charismatic than Junior. I was told Junior is friendly and loves to be invited drinking.

Quick vocab lesson: I'm a gay top. ผมเป็นเกย์รุก phom bpen gay ruuk Can you bottom? น้องรับได้ไหมครับ nong rab dai mai krab Rab here (pronounced as "rub") literally means to receive. Show him the above or you can do an even quicker "Me-Tarzan-You-Jane" version like this: Point to yourself and say, "phom ruuk". (I'm top.) and affectionately but firmly put your hand on his and ask, "rab dai mai?" (Can you receive?) Notice I didn't use the word "gay" when referring to him at all as it usually doesn't matter in these transactions. It's about what he is willing or not willing to do. Besides, a straight-acting genuinely gay guy would unlikely admit it in front of his friends more so if he's Burmese. And if you're a bottom, just put your hand on the guy's dick and say "You fuck me OK?" It has worked for 99% of the members here. Am I right, vinapu? 😏

Guys in more business oriented places, where decorum is less observed, like Senso , Prince , Arena , Jey and even in some Saphan Kwai places start massage in the nude or shed clothes very early in the session .

I never thought that the connection between Old Daddy and Peter RS would end well.