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I made my life easy and adhere to simple system, 1hr, 1000 tip, 1.5 hr , 1500 tip. If minimum tip is lower than that I still pay according to my scale. If its higher then if I decide to go ahead , of course I pay whatever that tip is. If I like service , boy or both I like to force 200-500 extra on them , specially if I suspect I'd be looking for another visit. The same system in both BKK and Pattaya.

I do, specially that I know jason1975 and fun is guaranteed but can't find airfare within my price range, checking every day though and hope to pull the same stunt I did in May when I booked trip on Thursday and was sitting in the plane already on Sunday

To add to the fun of rate hunting few things I noticed when booking for my recent July trip: when combing for listing of properties it pays to click what is really offered. Quarter SalaDaeng listed on Agoda their rates for my dates of about ' from 60 $ " per night. When I actually clicked to see offerings cheapest rate available was just above 50, quite a savings for 9 nights booked. Even if we are interested in certain type of room it's good to scroll up and down to see what is offered as sometimes it may be miniscule difference between say 20 sq m room and 45 sq m one but also big drop between 45 sq m and 40 sq m . ( you probably noticed what I'm looking for when considering accomodation - room size ). Also more expensive may offer free breakfast or one for token amount so at end of day it may make more sense to book that way. sometimes there's noticeable difference either way if our period includes weekend nights. and one which really surprised me, even the same booking site may show different price depending of what country you are or whether you are using website or app. Twice this year on different occasions our members from different countries sent me screenshoots of great rates they saw on Agoda for Raya and Furama Silom. When I almost immediately fired my comp and checked , what I saw was quite a different , say 10$ more on 50 $ offer. So bottom line is , it pays to shop and if one sees great rate, just grab it , pay and run as it may not last long.

he will, rest assured

few years ago I had such issue with Agoda. I opted for payment at hotel as it was , strangely, cheaper than paying through the site. When arrived at reception money in hand they told me that Agoda already paid. I was not happy but let it go, we talk about 10-15 $. Few days later I checked card statement, yes, charge was made but at "at hotel" cheaper rate so everything worked out well. As for issue in the thread I usually use Agoda and still I'm planning to but always make pint of checking if Agoda, booking, Expedia and hotel's own website offer similar prices. Agoda wins hands down being cheapest 7/10 if not better,

I guess we need to wait for first hand report from actual traveller to see how it really works

you better do please

some people have all luck in life

you are so modest !

problems with such solution lies in semantics. When we talk about tip in reality we are talking about fees for sex work services. This is easily understandable to all who set their foot in Thai bars and massages. For all others tip is voluntary gratuity for any services received and there's danger when mentioned it may be taken as such i.e. voluntary and smallish part of an original bill. It may be secret of those ridiculously low 300 baht tips mentioned by reader above although there's good chance some patrons may be just playing stupid knowing well what is supposed to be. There are many tipping cultures and that was discussed many times here so we know it is source of misunderstanding quite often. North Americans are tipping right, left and center because that is what they do at home . In some countries few spare coins will suffice and no hissing results if nothing will be left. And there are those where that is foreign and unknown concept. There are also variations - my sister lives in 2nd category listed so they leave token tip and when she visited me was surprised that we tip barbers or taxi drivers. I always joke " what you guys save on tips you spend on public toilets (paid there and at times quite a bit )

exactly, more than one line and nobody will bother to read unless pointed to

They do but not sure horny and salivating customers pay due attention. You right about Japanese bar and this may be source of misunderstanding as some customers familiar with Japanese system may assume in Thailand is the same whatever price is quoted. They may have their own sources, for sure mainland Chinese do as I came across of some of their forums while combing internet. But the same like with our resources , there are many who are not even aware about their existence or if they do, they don't bother to visit I rarely engage mamasans preferring to wave boy over and deal with him myself but sometimes is necessary of just useful to enlist mamasan as well. They may embellish the truth but rarely they outright lie , if only to avoid future problems with unhappy customer. Toy Boys are not my primary destination but from few members I heard the same, boys are catching up with Bangkok and expect 2000 short time, which as you pointing out , for Pattaya is generous and probably can be bargained down as for Nice Boys I agree with your assessment of boys but you bit harsh about customers. One thing is sure , no noisy screaming Asian girls there (so far?) , everybody is there for the same kind of entertainment. I do. I was also reluctant to leave Bangkok's charms for first few trips but then I braved myself and I'm happy I did. My first impression was not even that great but it grew on me with subsequent visits. Even chalked one of my trips as spent more in Pattaya than in Bangkok. My problem with Pattaya is that not being sun and sand person I have problem to make my daytimes interesting there. No problem to go straight away as there's quite frequent bus taking you straight from airport to Jomtien in less then 2 hrs. There is only short walk to Complex bars and hotels from there. Its also great way to go from Pattaya to Bangkok , I always take airport but and from airport train to the center. Much better option than Ekkamai buses from/to North Pattaya bus station as it beats city traffic. Once I managed to amaze Pattaya regular on the bus. He asked me what time is my flight and when I said I'm just going to Bangkok that way he said " great idea , it never crossed my mind" so sometimes simple solutions as still hidden in broad daylight.

good idea , used alredy by many massage places where minimum tip is spelled clearly and pointed out to customers

I always say I have my doubts how really straight are those "straight" guys presenting themselves in boy bars and spas

at least they have something to show for their troubles

Perhaps you should try to put together your own report before making such uncharitable, to put it mildly , comment. Sure , reports are of varied quality but also readers expectation may be different, some may be looking for juicy details, others for practical leads about accommodation, where to go, to eat or how organize their vacation day. Some like short , up to a point stories , other may be looking for longer narratives but one thing is sure : we should be grateful that members are taking their time and effort to put something together for us. Specially hats off for those who take chunk from their vacation time to update us on their adventures in almost real time. Tedious is process of writing report , not easily avoidable treat, even if doubtful of reading it. fully agree with this part though

in reality what other country has boy gogos of similar variety ? Mamasan was sensible by explaining whole process as in fact it's quite possible for novice in Thailand , not knowing prices , to assume that price quoted includes everything. This is a case in Japan I understand but of course not 500. Quite possible Toy Boy incident in report above was result of such false assumption One of massage guys I know recently had misfortune of having two Chinese customers in one day and they both refused to tip him claiming that massage fees should include everything. He says they were explained all , just played cheap trick. Poor boy, two assholes in one day on the table! sorry , double quote by mistake then go next time , If you don't you will never know doesn't matter how many reports you will read and how many clips on YouTube you will watch. Nice Boys is a must to visit IMHO Depending of how many days you will be there but I would say make sure you visit both areas. Not that it's very far, in 10-15 minutes by motorsai taxi you will be in Jomtien and walk from Boyztown to Sunee is even less then that. In Sunee you have only 2 go-gos, Winners and Nice Boys so easily you can visit 2 areas on one night. Second round in Boyztown is also good idea as there may be some pickings you missed on your first visit because of their absence.

I almost exclusively off long time and always fix this part in the venue but unfortunately several times I had the same problems with excuses to go early. I guess some promise LT afraid if they don't agree they don't get a deal but still I think it's very unfair, specially when I offed guy in the past and he knows what he is up to. Some excuses are outright idiotic - wrong parking of motorsai, perennial " my friend lost a key", need to move or visit in hospital etc. I don't fight with them over that and let them go usually cutting their tip accordingly but next time they try to extract tip, drink or an off I tell them bluntly no and why not. In short, I cross them from future engagements but of course few exceptions apply if I have soft spot for them. ............. I feel your pain. Some boys are possessive indeed. I have masseur in soi 6 whom I like quite a lot but because of this constant pestering he is kind of forcing me to the the same- to pick up alternative route to avoid passing by his shop and it's not good for the boy and the soi if walking ATM is bypassing whole section of it.

not really, specially when you take their show into consideration, much more progressive than all other bars combined. And no, guys on the stage are not in jeans or even boxers.

after visiting few years ago Bang Melea temple in early morning with me and two Chinese loads of buses present , I'm not surprised. Good that temple was already ruined, otherwise would not likely survive that attack. I'm not saying it was representative of how Chinese behave, far from it but still what I saw was bordering on scary. At least after giving up on ruins they were buying trinkets at local market.

I think I like 38 the best

waiting for your word abut last trip impatiently. Do they still have that desk and guard by elevator in Tarntawan where they check ID of visitors, even in day time?

When I was planning my first and so far only Sept trip back in 2017 several members warned me ' pack your umbrella". It was not bad abut I needed it few times. I find twinks at Tawan very refreshing, at one visit I counted at least 5 and I must say I like them even if twinks are not really my territory. Is good to have a choice. For bar it's good idea as it broadens clients base. While I agree location of Quarter Silom is close to perfect, central yet bit hidden. I'm not big fan myself as I find rooms bit cramped for a price. But they are well appointed and organized and very modern so it may satisfy many. The same I can say about Icon Styles on Silom between Convent and soi 3

not entirely speculation. last year in Mexico I was witness of discussion between American tourists who joined tour I joined too. I and some Americans bought it locally for about 60 $, other Americans bought it before they left through their travel office back in States and they paid almost twice. So half of their tour money never left USA presumably. From my travels I know that by no means this is unique situation, opposite, it's how it works. It's why guides are full of advices ' buy this or that tour / trek locally , do not prepay" . Chinese may be stingy in bars, massages or restaurants but since they like to show off, they may be shopping more hence, higher spending.

no idea but one I use always is responded to very fast good that you guys managed before midnight because after midnight prohibition starts until 11 and then again between 2 and 5