vinapu

scary stuff

it well known that travel is testing many a friendships and families. I have life long friends I'd never travel with unless on organized trip ( will happen in July) and also know people I don't have any social life with but can go for vacation with to even most difficult destination for any length of time. It seems that some people are not good with change of their daily routine . Your decision to rent him a separate room was wise one, this way each one of you have his freedoms. Few years ago I went for a cruise with two couples- my cousin and my friend with spouses. Knowing dangers right in the beginning we decided that even if going together each of us has own vacation and only time we should spent together will be dinner as it was pre-booked anyways. Greatest idea of all time and we actually spent more time together than we though, just because we did not feel any obligation for it.

that the best what may happen on vacations

unfortunately gone from the scene already

may be it was his way of achieving moments of cheap happiness

Day 12 Soon after they left I realized that today is supposed to be a DAY for me as I hoped I will be able , after multi year waiting, to off Handsome Cambodian ( HC )from Jupiter, dream of mine for a good while. So by my own choice I switched today to “ wait for the evening “ mode. Going for breakfast I notice Suwit waiting already in front of the shop , still closed that early , so grabbed him and we went for breakfast at BayView, it was actually nice , breezy morning. As he knew , today I’m returning to Bangkok, we kissed good bye , literally in middle of the soi as neither of us is that shy. Then I went to the room to pack and at noon on the dot I left for Jomtien bus station to catch my 1 pm bus for which I bought ticket yesterday. I took motorsai for 50 baht. Bus was full. Heavy traffic and it took 2 hours to get to Swampy so in the hotel I was close to 4 p.m. You know what was on my mind all that time. My hotel now for next 3 nights will be Furama Exclusive Sathorn, in sub soi close to both soi 3 where Baan Silom is and to Chong Nonsi station. After Raya, it's becoming my most favorite hotel in Silom area , big rooms with balconies and breakfast included, no problems with visitors, there are always some taxis, motorsais and tuktuks waiting outside and there’s cheap local restaurant across the soi. Breakfast is buffet type, not very sophisticated but varied and adequate enough with few Asian dishes so our guys may have choice they prefer. As weekend was looming I went to XOne to exchange money, stocked there with 100 baht notes – I like them because they gladly provide few thousands in low denominations on request. I picked up glasses I ordered right after arrival, had banana pancake in soi where New Twilight is, then went to the room to spruce up and went to realize hopefully my dream and mission. But first stop to get courage was at Hot Male downstairs, reader and anddy were there, tiny Lao was happy to see me again, always nice , enjoyable and not expensive time there. After 9 , with pulse probably beating at 80 / my normal is 50-54 / I marched to Jupter. Not many people inside which was surprising considering it’s Friday but it was still early, artic cold and music volume at idiotic level but for now those were none of my problems. Drink ordered and I start looking around where my HC is. Nowhere, soon boys parade started, nope. But I noticed that S, whom I offed from NewTwilight on my 3rd night moved to Jupiter now, during parade I slipped him 100 baht in exchange for smile. Offable material but not for price he wanted then and definitely not tonight for obvious reason. Very rarely I ask for mamasan’s help but there was no choice. Due to level of noise conversation , mouth to ear was like that : “ is HC working today? “ , ‘ do you want boy?”, screaming ‘ is HC working today? “ , ‘’ which boy you want ?”, then he decided to ask another one to help me . Answer was freezing ‘ not working today” but before I got heart attack or something soothing “ I can call him” came. 100 baht changed hands, in few minutes he came that HC will be here in 20 minutes so my pulse went down to normal I guess and I even feel that noise and cold is somewhat more bearable. Finally he got there roughly at start of show , recognized me in the instant , after all we talked last weekend and quite possibly mamasan described that “KFC looking idiot is asking for you “ or something. I asked if he wants to stay for the show, yes, so we stay, in meantime I secured long time ( finally!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ) , asked for expected compensation ( top of the line but not more that I was willing to fork out, I lost my head over him but some brain was preserved in the neck I guess and I had my limit ) so all looked good but he was sitting bit stiff as to avoid any casual body contact , arms crossed at times. Did not object my hand on his knee but he did not bother with any touches , not that I expected much but I still be happy with even pat on the back. After show it got better because we left, no problem walking, not hungry , we just bought some drinks at 7/11, he is talkative and English is good so my spirit went up. In the room no problem whatsoever , shower together OK, body still lean and muscular, all the same when I got struck seeing him first time exercising with Art in front of BBB. So he took good care of himself during covid. Protested when I told him he is so handsome, “I’m not handsome “ but when I told him ‘ for me you are “ , which in fact it is what I think, he was happy. So thing were going very well but they stopped when we moved to long time part. “ Don’t do this’, ‘ I don’t like this “, “ I’m tired and want to sleep “ etc. So I felt like cold water bucket was emptied over me as my romantic night dreamed about for 3 or 4 years turned to turf war over pillow and duvet. I was devastated but not entirely surprised and thus not upset, only disappointed that dream of my own creation shattered , I just gave up on being close . To his credit in the morning he was not in rush at all, to a point that we missed breakfast in hotel and converted himself to be more accessible. So day 12 which I hoped will be day of days this trip finished with me hanging my head low. And is not HC fault, it’s mine as I hoped for much more based on my dreams. Now, few weeks since , I clearly see I was overreacting , actually one of our members who knows HC brought me to my senses soon after saying rightly ‘finally you got him long time ! “ But that morning, day after, I felt dramatically disappointed. I presented this story to readers to act as warning – we should not build any hopes beyond what we can reasonably expect in standard, after all commercial, relationships. Result of this drama of my own creation is that yes , I will be still looking for HC whenever I’ll be in BKK, I will off him LT if he will be willing and I’d even consider him as trip companion. What I will not do is ask mamasan to call him and in fact any boy over, no, I must see him eye to eye like all other guys in bars. If there’s smile, it’s a deal, smile absent , next please. Day 12 is over.

people mention that quite often and I wonder if I have good luck or them have bad one. Serious very rarely I have that kind of problem and I have LT almost every night when there. And I'm rather early riser if only in order to catch that discounted breakfast at Foodland before 9 to save 16 baht ( 65 vs. 81) Even with that my problem seems to be reverse - boy wanting to leave too early which is always upsetting me ( 2 cases last trip ). For me long time is till breakfast whether he goes with me or not

that's their problem

I know that feeling, strangely I had that only on approach of Arena and Senso, but not other places. Be brave next time

no need for prejudices or preconceived notions. First my comment to z909 you quoting was not sarcastic at all. We met several times, visited few bars together and both of us know that we are not competing with each other. What he likes I don't, what I like z909 runs away from. It doesn't stop of having fun going to bar together if only to tell mamasans pushing for off to give that fake excuse " not today , I have boyfriend with me", nobody believes but message ' get lost ' is received with smile. ( If I go alone , I tell them " I like girls" with the same effect ) Second , if I'm able to hang out with spoon or 18past19 what makes you thinking we can't handle each other. Third , I'm least competitive person you never met and can assure you that I will yield to you 11 times out of 10 so please , after you. Only exception will be if I tell you up front ' if we go to Sexy Boys bar and XYX will be there , he is mine " So next time we are together on BKK or Pattaya don't be afraid to hang together with almost invisible quiet church mouse Vinapu , of course if you wish. I already met 27 members over the years and did not bite anybody. Actually I think hunting for boys together is more fun.

next time just do what I do- drink beer straight from the bottle or have a shot of gin/whisky/ vodka / whatever. Ice is nothing more than water and only dilutes taste of whatever you drink

both explanations make much sense but there's third one- each of them is talking to own friends on Facebook or Line. Unfortunately view of boring boy sitting with farang who doesn't pay any attention to him is not that unique

I like that farang and boy sitting beside each other and both glued to their phone, strong romantic bond indeed

# 1 leave him alone but if you happen to pass by do not pretend you don't know him, just act normal, smile, buy food and move on. If you hear from him in the future , be straightforward with what you are looking for # 2 first meeting act cool , straight but smiley-friendly, 2nd attempt , day or two later, don't waste time and hint him you like him.

right after second NO I'd say

doubled post, I'm sorry

I'm not saying no, but not this trip as it was my last night in Pattaya and I returned to Bangkok as we learn when I post next day later today (or tomorrow for those who are in different time zone ). While I liked those two multi boys nights I must state that my preference is still one on one . Multi boys may be more fun but one on one is more romantic. That gives me idea for next time if they still be there and I find them still attractive - dinner together than drinking in the room for fun part , then boys sent away with exception of one designated to be romantic partner for that night. Why I say " if I find them still attractive " ? This is a life . I don't meant particularly those three but most likely most of us experienced it in the past . Guy we salivated about last trip , all of the sudden doesn't seem to be so glorious now even if nothing changed. Or even worse - he doesn't seem to pay any attention to us, avoiding even eye contact or pretending we never met. Of course it works both ways, guy previously overlooked now shines like a star and one who sported blank eye then, now is all smiles and winks. Actual off seems to be often breaking point. I used to have big hots for certain model offed him twice despite some antics on first off and only after 2nd time when those antics were repeated I realized that hots are gone for good. On another hand X featuring in my trip stories never paid any attention to me when he was in bar to extend then in order to off him I searched help of another member but after first , somewhat forced off we hit it on with multiple repeats. No double my handsomeness is the factor, otherwise what it could be ?

Must be battery low or something

perhaps it's result of improving life standards and better, often too good, nutrition? Pattaya seems to be better for your preferences, specially Jomtien Complex. And as we know, disaster for one is blessing for other ( I like visiting bars with you as we are sure not to compete for the same guy)

welcome to the forum and sorry to hear you had bad luck with all 4 bars you visited. But let's be honest if somebody has to have bad luck in them it's better you than me. Vaughn is right, try Fresh Boys other time as it seems to have most of your types. How I know? It's only bar I did not off from on my last trip and I like opposite type than you i.e. hunky guys with preferably axe murderer face if available. Don't listen to advice of my friend z909 and visit every bar, including Tawan , Moonlight, New Twilight and BananaClub, You never know what you find and whom you will like (resident twink at Tawan is very easy on the eye IMHO although may be tad too big for you but twink he is ) Check Hot Male beer bar on soi level, few hosts there may suit your taste Situation in bars is dynamic and selection varies from day to day and time of evening too, some boys are taken early and come back from engagements later on. as for presence of ladies keep in mind all bars we are talking about are boy bars , not gay bars so expect girls in them , Their money helps bar to stay afloat too , they may bother you at times but it's the same with for example chain smoking or drunk gays. Don't be discouraged by first evening and try again. Apps may be your salvation but in bars you have real display and smile if any , not possibly outdated pictures

most massage places have it just to ensure boy is properly compensated . It also indicates that more than massage is available. In some places I noticed boys have their individual minimum tip. Don't assume that for minimum tip you can do with him whatever you want, some will offer just hand job, some will go all the way but is always will be more than just a massage. I use my own rate 1000 / hr, 1500/1.5 hr but if minimum tip is higher I pay higher rate. ( I see spoon answered thread at the same minute so hope I'm not repeating what he says)

sounds like Jupiter

I see an advantage to such situation as you had most day for your self with option of returning to the room and cuddling to the boy at any time but I agree, it's not workable for longer term , day or three , yes but after that I'm not surprised you lost your patience. After all , like one of Tawan boys nicked Bos once remarked in the morning in our Raya room when I asked him if he got good sleep : ' no , but you are not paying me to sleep". Too bad two fabulous guys on my last trip did not know they rule and ruined my dreams ( still to be reported )

better not considering that saints on icons are mostly dead and I don't even start with me being saint. as for comparison of Bangkok and Pattaya parts of trip, yes Pattaya was more adventurous with all those crowded beds but Bangkok guys were more hunky so at end of day I think I liked Bangkok better, no surprise here.

Day 11 Bay View restaurant was not opened yet so for breakfast we went by baht bus all the way to Kiss and despite early ( for Pattaya ) hours they were quite busy, in fact I think we took last free table. We parted ways after that , I went again to exchange money, what else at such a pace and to Internet café to catch with my e-mails. Then some aimless wandering here and there. Early afternoon I took motorsai , just for sake of supporting economy ( 60 baht) to Jomtien Complex to see Nara in his shop for good bye 1.5 hr massage. Driver dumped me on the main road and while passing by in one of massage shops I noticed quite handsome and muscly , heavily tattooed hunk and took note of his presence just in case. But I kept my plan , had massage with Nara, tipped him 2000 as it was our last meeting this trip and invited him for a meal to French restaurant on the corner as I wanted to taste that duck leg mentioned yesterday. It was great but not better than one I’m making I noted proudly. After meals we kissed out good bye, Nara is not shy guy. He went to his shop and I went to look for songtaew but recalled that handsome masseur and decided to see if he is still there. He was so I just motioned and we went inside for another massage, session was good, he was muscular and well endowed , kissy, huggy but there was something I did not like –strange odor coming from his skin. Not smell, not even unpleasant but it bothered me. No idea what it could be – soap, some skin cream or other cosmetic, diet, result of taking some medication or substance , whatever it was , it spoiled my experience. I did not say anything, tipped him my normal rate 1000 / hr and went home bit disappointed as he was prime material for a night long session. Oh well , I need to find some substitution. And I got an idea who it will be, P and R from my first night in Pattaya and yesterday party in Dreamboys. So I freshened up, shaved and went to Pickety for people watching. My yesterday’s guy was busy with guests but it was Ok as my mind was fixed. After finishing beer changed sides to BBB, ordered some drink and asked mamasan about my guys. There weren’t there yet but he assured me they will come as they are at the gym. Oiled with 100 baht tip , he even called them to confirm. P showed soon , R bit later. L , our companion 2 night ago seeing what is going on stopped by hoping he will be third but ‘just two tonight “ I said , consoled him with red note, paid 1000 off fee and off we went to Bay View for a dinner passing by Suwit shop. He was not there but was keeping watchful eye from somewhere because soon after we sat down for a meal I got Line message ‘ two boys tonight my Casanova “ from him. In 7/11 we stocked on few beers and went to the room. Both are very talkative , P more on shy side , R quite opposite , undressed right away as he explained he doesn’t like chain of dress when inside. They told me a lot about their lives and friendship and at one point, I swear it was not my idea, P asked if his brother B whom we met last evening in Dreamboys can join. Holly molly thought I but of course agreed, in few minutes phone rung and P went to pick him up downstairs. He looked even more handsome than yesterday and perhaps most manly of them three , explained by age difference. Thankfully we were well stocked with beer and also few snacks so we feed him and fun continued until time came to go to bed. I had 2 spare towels so showering was no problem but to keep things civilized I suggested I will shower with each of them separately. After all we have two brothers here. Other guys were familiar with procedure from 2 days ago, B, last in line to get wet was visibly shy, I sense he must be new in the business and never showered with customer before but he soldiered on with smile. When we emerged it looked that other two boys not only made some order on the table after all that drinks and snacks but also thought well about bed arrangement reserving right half of bed for us two latecomers. That way brothers were separated by R and me , eliminated any brotherly awkwardness in such a situation. No , we did not have any foursome, that would be gross. I had three guys with me to enjoy their company one by one so obviously at one point I switched places with R in order for P not to feel abandoned or discriminated . In process I understood what it means to sleep with the phone, R literally was clutching his all night. It was fun and thanks to mutual co-operation and understanding we avoided anything we possibly could feel uneasy about recalling it later. Sure R emerged in the morning from under the sheets sporting glorious erection but from reaction of other two it was clear he is not shy in their room either , they all live together in one room with one more guy who I understand doesn’t work in a bar. Morning distribution of tips ended such fabulous day 11, they declined offer of breakfast saying that they have food at home they want to eat otherwise it may be unusable later. Thank you my glorious boys I thought after they left, what a night !