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stop reading such nonsense after the tittle and first sentence

work like any other but less dust

to avoid locking topic and stick to a tittle of this thread by sheer coincidence on Nov 14th I was thinking about issue you are rising and came to idea that is nothing wrong with frugality and even being addicted to it. After all it's our money, hard earned or luckily stolen without being caught. What I oppose is thinking that being frugal makes us somewhat better and smarter than others , namely freer spenders and accusing them of spoiling market by their profligacy. I just like to defend right of those who feel so , like me , to have vacation time free of worries , money worries included. In particular so if vacation time includes Nov 14 and visiting Screwboys bar on that day to make sure we stay on topic name in the thread's tittle.

bu June of what year? 2022 or 2027 ? they should be more specific IMHO Hopefully by that time toilets will be upgraded. Whole thing is another example of digital lunacy, pee under the tree but you can pay for that with your phone

nobody suggested otherwise but discussion above is very useful just to show what we need to watch, exchange rates and transaction fees feature prominently in those calculations. Sometimes my not be fees to pay but rate may be poorer than on cash exchange, for some it may be more advisable to buy domestically USD and exchange them into Thai baht / my case, although difference is narrowing to almost nil / , others may find most efficient to change their domestic currency direct . Even place when we exchange money may make quite q difference if amount is substantial.

very wise, I learned my lesson once when I just picked up boy hoping that another boy I already had in my room will like him as much as I do. It did not work intended way at all and I guess all 3 of us were bit disappointed

our reasoning has noting to do with when and with what boy should feel happy, that's very patronizing way of thinking . It's for BOY to decide if he is happy or not. We may feel that we are doing him favor by paying him 3 day's worth of minimum salary for 1 hour of pumping his ass or even worse for 1 hr of him pumping our ass but he still may think we are taking an advantage of him and his misfortune of being poor Issan boy,. Whole comparizon of minimum wage to tips is despicable as selling ones ass has nothing to do with minimum wage levels. Nothing wrong with sticking to so called market rates but it's nothing to advertise loudly too. Doesn't matter if you pay 1000 for short time or I pay sometimes 4000 for long time, in both cases we are taking an advantage of cheap ass and cock so too speak. It's just some of us are better in trying to distribute global wealth more evenly. Boy may not be performing to specification and even reneging on promise what he will do but still he is selling a bit of his dignity , so some ugly troll like me feels free to put his hand on his privates without warning. Pay what you feel is fair and what boy accepts but don't pretend that you are saving world by tipping an equivalent of taxi ride to the airport in your home town for enchanting hour or two with somebody who probably would be happier in somebody else's company than ours. and if tips are such concern , what about rolling one's sleeves , generating more income , saving more money and enjoying vacation without need to haggle about cost of chewing gum.

I like that you express concern about how your ladyboy friend will be treated in various places as indeed it may vary. Hope those familiar with saunas , DJ , Babylon etc will chip in. As for boys attitude in may vary depending boy and on full scale , I met some who professed to love ladyboys but also those who took it as insult when I asked them if they like them. So only advice for 3-some would be to have friend engaged in boy selection process and make sure boy knows who third partner will be. But to tell the truth it's advice which is applicable to all 3-some situations one partner select another one and you give a blessing and pay.

I wonder what is next? snow perhaps ? It's supposed to be dry season

best cards I came across are ones with portrait of B.Franklin, exchanged for similar ones bearing portrait of the late Thai King bit bulky but no transaction fees, when travel always use those

then just don't do it, why torment yourself on vacations ?

Sunday in massage places is a bit different day as lots of regular boys are taking day off so our favorite may be missing , on another hand boys who are working only on weekends will appear.

there's no point to travel that far to be unhappy and spend days and nights worrying about overspending 300-500 over market on an off . Penny pinching is not everybody's idea of good vacation time . For that I have home. There's nothing wrong with watching one's expenses but if that's primary consideration while vacationing perhaps better idea would be to come less often , for shorter period but not feel miserable every time when dream boy asks 2000 and we are willing to pay just half of it just because that's the market rate and our ego doesn't allow us to be taken for a ride by some country boy.

that's not fair, I recall at least two cases and both money boys, one wanted to go with me for few days to Pattaya at cost of paying his off fees and covering expenses. At end of trip when I gave him money he wanted to keep his side of bargain and it took some talk for him to take it. Another one during massage told me he wants to finish fast because of some football game Thailand-Vietnam he wanted to watch so i offered he can watch in my room. After the game it was him who offered to stay till morning and absolutely there was no way of him accepting any money, not even taxi one. It helped that it was not our first meeting and he was always tipped generously but that night was absolutely free for me.

# me too, and usually in the manner they can see what they get, sometimes even they count , I did not notice any embarrassment, may be once , when I grabbed buy from the street

in such a case I pay whatever he wants if only to see if an initial amazement materializes and how

For me I'm afraid this type of haggling would take a bit of fun from the whole thing. Is one thing to haggle nickle and dime for some goodies but it sounds like chore when compensation for intimate encounter is discussed. I'm not saying I'm not guilty but when boy expectancy is too high I try to make it max 3 step thing : his price, my price , yes or no. If he start with asking 'how much you give me" it's even shorter , my offer, yes or no. Not always but mostly it works to mutual satisfaction.

I wonder if that BBB In is of any relation to BBB Inn in Bangkok around the corner from soi Twilight

My experience with punctuality of Thai boys is mostly very positive and had few cases when they arrived on the dot. I guess they don't want to take a chance to miss agreed tip although there are some frivolous types who did. My modus operandi when asking boy to come to my place is to tell to them clearly that I wait till such and such time / always 1/2 hr but I tell them exact time / i.e " I wait for you till 5. 30 , if you will not be here I go to have a lunch with my farang friend". When picking up boy from the bar at agreed time it's the same - be ready otherwise I will not go away. Exception I made is for massage boys, I tell them if you will have a client I wait for you as I understand that client may be somebody like me who likes to ask for (paid) extension.

nothing wrong with that , going to our favorite restaurant , having a seat our our choice and meal we always salivate thinking about is fundamentally business transaction but still brings lots of joy. fair trade , satisfying our emotional needs by helping them to ease of their economical ones

sure it includes enough space for that bigger than Kim's atomic bomb release button Mr. Trump bragged another day about

My 16th anniversary of first trip passed in November and it was also 747 , Los Angeles -Bangkok with Osaka stopover by Thai. One of most comfortable flights ever as it was 2 months after 9/11 and plane was 1/3 full only. Taxi driver offered me girl and when declined , without blinking an eye he said I have boy for you. Declined but I knew right away it will be fabulous trip.

I remember you telling us that story and yes , at that time 2000 ST was considered high even for Dreamboys's , Tawan's or Jupiter's boys You know better , I also agree that greed doesn't go by nationality, rather by popularity and good look. It's hard to blame boy who is offed nightly , sometimes even twice nightly for asking / expecting more than his friend whose last off was Thursday last week. I would still try with 1500 , after all this was what I was asked for last time I offed ST from soi Twilight in Dec 2016. Possibly boys discounted me because it was almost closing time and I took two of them at once at their suggestion. I'm one of those who likes to set fee before marching down the soi as I think it's of benefit for both sides, others may think and act differently though. how turning nasty would be possible if such pillars of community are taking part in discussion ? While it's correct that boy who was stunner back in 2012 now may be developing Singha muscle and greying hair sure rates can be compared. Still we may arrive to different solutions as not only nominal amount in baht counts, boys will be considering rise in their costs like food or rent while we will be looking at exchange rates of our domestic currencies and our own earning power which may cloud but also rosify our assessment of how dear / cheap tips become. correct in pure monetary terms abut trip to Thailand comes with bonus on being on vacations not to mention weather behind the window ( is raining already 6 hours here and it just +2 Centigrade )

But they don't, it's why I like money boys and massages and don' t go to saunas. as for rest of your post we agree to disagree as well. 100 %

it may be dress code in some if not all of those bars, no sandals , no shorts , no t-shirts hope others with experience of visiting will confirm / deny