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you should tell him that was reason for his hangover, keeping all that poison inside

that's fair if he told boys up front that he will pay for drinks but no extra tips will be paid. I understand he did and they agreed. Their tips was their good, whisky soaked, time Otherwise I think boy / boys should be tipped as they were removed from var losing their earning potential for the night and even , if you did not wait for P as you did , for the following night. I think this is quite common among Asian customers to take boys out just for drinking binge without tip if no sex is involved and boys happily oblige, I heard similar stories from boys before including my last night stand in Sept when boy told me can stay past certain hours because his Indonesian client is taking him to bar for drinking as he usually does according to boy, never taking him to the hotel. It seems some people just want to have somebody to talk to and willing to expense it.

( my underscore ) that was reason good enough to tip him generously You have a good heart. Massage was less then perfect but whole experience was obviously very pleasant so being generous was just fair payout. If I liked his body I'd just hug him tightly for that 1/2 hr even if session was done and over, this is in fact why I prefer 1.5 hr sessions, I tell them 'we have still 1/2 so lets have a rest", very few complains. I like your reporting style - every sentence carries some useful message. Not a minute wasted on vacation, I like it even more. Hope our paths will cross in future in a soi Twilight express lane like paulsf says.

enjoy your trip home , hope you will find time to report on the last day ( and night)

Merry Christmas and lots of fun , specially for those who are in Thailand right now !

it may as well be cultural thing, I have boy in BBB Pattaya I offed many times including short vacation time in BKK , doesn't show any sign of inhibitions but clearly is uncomfortable showering together so after couple tries I gave up trying to convince him to his great relief. No idea why but I let him to have it. I'm surprised Arena boy did not shower with Jason , it would be my first there but again , cultural thing perhaps. I think even their website says that shower is part of service including in minimum tip.

with those two TAT with co-operation with boys was exceeding successful in manipulating me to their ends which makes me very happy. Sure if prices will go up beyond my means of willingness to spend I'll say home to nurse those nice memories

no, but boy may try to insert in your mind an idea of being your boyfriend, been there done that so keep it in mind. Yes boys are talking about us , perhaps even more then we about them but from me experience they understand that you may not pay them the same his friend got as you like another boy / service better. Where you are stuck is that whatever boy was paid , he will expect then same next time and from time to time they may try to take an advantage by lazying a little bit . Not a big problem but existing in nature.

have fun

don't lose hope , I recall such an excuse used only once to reject Long time off but few times it was mentioned by the boys when I asked about day time meeting ' no I need to got to the gym". Only polite part of me stops me from asking 'How much gym tips you ?"

Good to hear you have a fun there as always. Offing boy , going with him to bar and leaving him to his devices in order to produce report for us is just too much of forum devotion. Not a bad idea to hook up with boy one likes instead of risking disappointment butterflying. Teaches boy that it pays to be of good service. Waiting impatiently for next installment but no rush - entertaining boy should come first

we , members of this forum know very well what Thailand does right, at least for us

too bad I can't be there now as with such low temperatures offed boys certainly would be more clingy

only 6 months and your trip report will start trickling in here ?

I agree that is fair play but in case above I was a bit apprehensive because I saw that boy is having good time so decided to give up. I know bitter taste of being dumped mid-bar by the boy who went to another customer so am a bit adverse to boy snatching practices

don't be bearer of doom and gloom, perhaps just 1 off evening. I agree about Jupiter show though as being best in BKK , look of participants on the stage is unrivaled,each more handsome than next one.

we do, although I don't think people indulging in luxuries on vacations are doing anything wrong if this is what rocks their boat. After all there are guides on the shelves who devote great chunk of capacity to describe various food and accommodation options at destination leaving precious little space for more touristy ,sightseeing stuff so obviously there's market. Then there are those who debate at length merits of airlines , airport lounges and favorite seats on board, obviously it matters to them. I myself given chance don't mind splurging here and there on food and hotels but with age comes experience and it tells me that often difference in cost is much higher than service it pays for . If I sleep soundly in 30$ Nantra Silom I will not likely be sleeping better in 70$ Raya to mention my two favorite Silom places. After 3 hours of flight I'm ready to hang myself and only reason I don't do it is lack of tree aboard of the aircraft and it has nothing to do with quality of seat or foods, being confined it what tires me. But one can't by entirely frugal and have a fun in life, it's where my tipping practice , often condemned here for spoiling market for others , comes to level field with those hotel types who at the same breath sing praises for their 5 star digs and complain about drink prices and greedy boys with inflating tip expectations. So it looks we all have our strengths and weaknesses when comes to consumption,

from recent reports after ownership change mixed gender couples are often in plain view, no personal experience since though as Tarntawan for me is a height of unaffordable luxury and last time stay there exactly 3 years ago.

if you hungry almost any restaurant will do, Michelin or not. If you are not but want to impress yourself or others or just splash on food to feel good , go with Michelin or other ratings. If on your way you will spot grey-haired farang breakfasting in Foodland Patpong with hunky boy in late 20-ties or munching on chicken with cashew nuts at Oasis , Suriwong with even older but hunkier boy, that farang will be me. Two farangs , young and skinny and old but still presentable, sharing two pizzas while being eavesdropped by the waitress at Madrid Tavern will be ChristianPFC and me.

don't sweat this stuff , any hotel is both gay and straight friendly, I even saw single ladies and elderly couples in BBB Inn, Tarntawan is no longer gay hotel. Any place along Silom or Suriwong is close to BTS/ Subway and great shopping , short hop / 2-3 stations on BTS / brings you to even greater shopping along Sukhumvit

I visited in Jun in 2013, 2015 and 2016, heat while oppressive was still bearable and rain scarce . Like gaybutton above I noticed very little difference between Jun and Dec visited in the same years plus 2014. Customers are scarcer and a bit less boys available as well but easier to get good flight and hotel deals in Jun. Go in Jun and you will be as happy as every other month. Biggest noticeable difference is in weather which is at her best now but this window is short, perhaps 6 weeks before heat returns with vengeance.

I like Jupiter show but best way to see what is to your taste is to make grand tour of them all. At times show may be so-so but boys great or other way around. Don't worry about forgetting Barbiery or old Jupiter, what is gone is gone, even water was more wet in our younger days. Boy66 located in old Jupiter place has also show with quite a hunky background

quite possible fixtures and furniture will be sold to some second rated provincial and back soi motels so they treated your question as provocation. But a idea is not a bad and hotel could make a bundle by advertising such an opportunity and charging higher room rate but not for damage. I, for one don't have any emotional attachment to Dusit Thani as never was inclined to stay there but always looked for a familiar spire at beginning of every trip.

that's correct but also it may mean some boys may be heading home for a break

do you also need to buy him a drink ? Am not against an idea of such a fee, particularly when boy is held in ransom for prolonged time and leaves empty handed or with meager tip. In Sept I was salivating over boy at BBB Boyztown who was sitting with female customer for length of whole show only to learn next day from him that he was not offed and his tip was just a 100 baht. I did not want to be assholish but regretted upon learning about it that I did not ask mamasan to ask client if she will be taking him, should I ?