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I'd not like to be killed my tiny little gun holding neighbor thinking that party I'm throwing is too loud or my dog barks too often. It's better to create an environment where one can walk safe without thinking of need to buy a gun , no matter how small.

we toss the coin who goes first , I'm not big fan of crowded beds. LOL

Day 7 Today a bit cooler and cloudy day. Noonish walk along Beach Rd but last night tiring tasks got to me , returned to hotel for 2 hours nap. Age shows thought I but can’t figure better reason to feel tired. One of Ambiance massage boys is parking himself daily just in front of exit from my hotel and accosting me for a massage. Not a bad looking boy so I decided to give him a chance to clear displeasure of one of his co-workers , quite hunky so I placed him in line as well. Ambiance, like all massages in the soi is collecting boy’s minimum tip of 500 up front, I mentioned that and repeat because for uninformed 900 / hr. massage fee may seem to be very steep. Massage was Ok, perhaps even quite good and volcanic eruption at the end , certainly biggest I have seen in a good while warranted doubling his tip plus some more. As soi was coming to life again I sat down at Oscars to talk with boys over beer , this become my routine. Of course one offed previous night was showing some faces over being bypassed last night , clear disadvantage of whoring in the soi where everything is noticed and perhaps commented but I’m prepared for that and take it with humor. When comes to worst , red note will help to smooth things but at end of day it’s clearly visible that boys are used to be bypassed , that’s nature of working in entertainment position. I always buy them a drink , spoiling them perhaps but if I have fun , let them have some too. At one point one talkative reminded me casually that boys are working for money i.e. to indicate subtly that drink is fine but they expect tip as well. Warmed up by visit to Sunee last night with aussie_ I decided to check on Good Boys tonight and walked there , using shortcut past hindu temple in the first soi after baht bus stop it’s only 6 minutes from BT. Few boys were on duty , none standing out but what frosted me a bit was 500 quotation for the show , quite a hike to usual 300. It doesn’t mean more expense for me , just less fun as I have routine going there always armed with 1600, 600 for drinks and 1000 for tips. Anyways grabbed two with instruction of one by one performance and while first one was quite mechanical , was at least well equipped and delivered ! Second one was better , much more passionate choice and only fact that funds on me were limited as stated stopped me from taking him short time somewhere. His girlfriend must be very happy to have such a tool at her disposal I guess. It was another one lurking beside clearly did not get message that I’m underfunded because of rise of ticket price and shoot his load anyways but his reward was paltry 150 leftover after I paid for 3 drinks at 150 each.. I felt a bit bad but on another hand I did not invite nor engage him so it was all volunteer work on his part. So this time expected good time with good boys of Good Boys turned out to be kind of so-so but at least I did my part to support them in their hour of low season need. Walked around the plaza as always but also as always nobody even remotely interesting for me in that twink kingdom Sunee Plaza is. Wait , it was one exception in some bar roughly across from Winners, quite hunky and massive but since my funds were depleted I did not stop by anyways but even for me there’s hope in Sunee I guess. Returned to the room , armed myself with wad of notes and went about grand tour of BT bars as is was Saturday after all. Prisma , very classy décor perhaps best of them all but only few boys , two warranting departing tip of 100 but none creating long lone desire Only one other client but when I entered party of 5 was just leaving without a boy . ABomb , same same , 6 boys , all twinks, one tip , 2 more customers. It used to have more hunky boys but at least today it was just twink , twink , twink. Leaving bar I noticed one of BBB boys sitting in front of bar on motorcycle , talking to one of the boys. I took notice since he is one of their boy I pay close attention to but can’t extract a smile from. Not for much longer though as we will see. Passing by Copa I checked if Ko, another fine specimen from there is on duty as we were supposed to have LT engagement tonight but he was no show so I decided on Cupidol, never been in their new location. Another well appointed and spacious bar , quite well patronized tonight, few boys sitting with customers. Several more on the stage vying for business but again nothing for me although ever inclined to act charitable I called one of the boys, bought him a drink and allowed myself few indecent touches just to give myself excuse to tip him. At 11 p.m. they advertised show at Castro so I went , house was packed , lots of straight couples . Show nothing special but entertaining with lots of energy so drink money and a time well spent. Some lip synch singers really funny, recommended to drop by. Finished past midnight , too early so time for an immense in the known and unknown – back to BBB. Show was over , boys were on the display , second from right was Art, one I saw few hours ago in front off ABomb. He is veteran there , hunky with funny hair style and stands out because his very white skin. Stare is blank when I try to catch an eye contact but I have cure for that, dug out 100 baht and went to tip him. Wai was high and not long after I returned to my seat, perhaps in 25 seconds he turned out toward me and beamed THAT smile. Then we are almost home , waved him over. He did not want long time because his friend and my companion from last night warned him about sleepless night but ‘till 4 OK “ was quoted and accepted with my internal smile of “finally nailed” type. No boy drink , 500 off fee, requested tip of 2000, plenty for Pattaya but not for this kind of specimen so no qualms to agree and soon after we trek across the soi to the room passing by knowing smile of reception girl ( I think she is ladyboy but who cares , smiled nicely). He must be well known as she did not bother with ID request. I tried to convince him that 4 is ghost hour and he better stay till breakfast but his mind was made up but other than that one can’t ask for more. Muscular , very smooth body, good conversational English and knowing well why he was engaged, one of those straights with wife you wonder how really straight they are. In short an absolute gem as far as I can see . What surprised me was great massage skill , I asked if he went to school but he said that he just learned by trying. Certainly one of the best I ever had with fast and long stokes I so like. No way this will be my last with him . He even wanted to come during day tomorrow but I had some plans and so did he and we couldn’t fix agreeable time so it was decided to see what evening brings. Second night in row in nirvana thanks to BBB boys , not as intensive as last one because of shorter time but life is good thought I falling asleep in order to finish day 7 by waking up alone at 10.00 am.

no , this would be unfair to the boy as it would force him to lose face but I'd like to to some bar hopping with you at one time

it was not my intention to torment him , it just happened

not at all, no gifts given , neither forced to nor good hearted. One with motorbike asking for helmet while ago was not working in the bar this time, but his friends from BBB filled void very nicely I haste to say.

they will be singing odes to a beauty of 2nd amendment, just watch

yes and no, I still make bad choices but I think it's part of fun, after all we are dealing with real people who have their good and bad days as well and only part of us they like may be our money

relax , he would do to so you being even handed

not necessarily, Dreamboys, Jupiter ot Tawan boys may expect more but rest may be more approachable money-wise, specially boys from soi 6 bars like Super A , Golden Cock and Nature Boys. Also beer bar boys from soi Twilight bars will not be greedy I guess and some of them are very likable.

and to be honest they are everywhere while hunks are hard to spot and some of them are overdoing it making them less attractive even to me. To put things in perspective , out of couple dozen of boys in BBB I found 4 worth the sin and expenditure, 2 offed, 2 just tipped, rest must wait I like to clear money matters in advance due to experience. Once offed LT boy I dealt with and his friends before so assumed he knows what I pay . In the morning it turned out he was expecting 2000 more than I gave him, unless good actor he seemed sincere in his surprise. I stand my ground but did not like that commotion greed vs. cheap so now I'd not leave a bar without clearing compensation. One of boys this trip when asked how much he wants answered "I will tell you in the room " , I did not take a bait and told him what he will get. it will be a pornstar this trip as well , stay tuned

I'm glad I created a bit of controversy to enliven the thread. I try to answer to some concerns expressed. First to make clear , on day 6 my tip was 4000 not 4000 on top of 3000 agreed originally and 1000 was fair extension price for 3 hrs more. Way I look at the issue is that in order to economize I'm offing too many "also run" boys. I don't whore in my country , stopped it when discovered Thailand and can't care what salary in LOS is. If boys present reasonable request I pay it, if they seem to be too demanding I try to bargain it down in one stroke, as you suggest, either he accepts my offer or me his counteroffer if any. Prolonged haggling would take all fun out of it for me. Other farangs problem is not mine , as you noticed there's plenty fish in the sea and they , like me, have option of economize or paying what boys are attempting to suck out of them. Boys I like, hunky and muscly are somewhat rarer species and they see it , tend to know their worth. Sure I can stand firm by 2000-2500 offer with take or leave approach but I don't fly through half the world to make even. If I like the man, I like to take him home , not upset myself by having my offer rejected or upset him by being cheap . This may affect his performance and I rather have boy clinging to me than save say 1000 and hear at 5.30 that he needs to go home - stay tune for day 8 report to get a taste. I'm not sure I was explicit enough but boy I happily offed on my first night this trip , in May of 2015 left me empty handed in middle of the bar to go with other client even if I accepted his 3500 request for long time , at that time it was 500 more then I EVER paid in Thailand and I was in process of paying off fee to take him out. So it's not like every boy accepts always even very generous offer. Market works both ways. we both were fortunate, it was fun. I take your advice on apps, not planning, knowing me I'd spent too much time glued to the screen, I'm weak when comes to male beauty. I'm not short on self-esteem but your last sentence made my day if not the whole week, Thank you very much !!! specially if you met boy already before. Almost universally if you tipped him well next meeting will be better and next one even better still. second sentence brings to light matter rarely discussed here and good you brought it to the light, why bother if pay is the same. It's why usually at beginning of massage or when I enter room with the boy I make sure I hug them tightly for a few minutes to signal I'm not just into standard motions. And believe me , it's usually me who releases the grip , not the boy. 1. this is in plain view, I visited many bars this trip and in most of them there were boys nice to look at and give them tip just for looks but not offing material for me unless desperate or adventurous / I like to take home twink from time to time just for sake of comparison, Dit from Arena , boy I met more than everybody else is not hunky at all / You criteria / minus black , I like dark smooth skin / are exactly mine but relax if we ever are in the bar at the same time, I'm not competitive at all and have no problem yielding but be warned, I tend to act fast if I see what i like. 2. this trip I witnessed twice Jupiter boys given 1000 baht tips by Chinese ladies just for being on the stage. As for motorcycle I was even given a ride to Hualampong on such a gift boy I offed got from client / lady again, looks that we guys are losing it to ladies / you cutting me short , LOL look at LT rates so far, night 1, 2 and 6- 4000 , night 3 -0, night 4-2000, night 5-2000 / 500 more than boy wanted but look when he left ! /

we covered 5 generations in matter of 3 posts

perhaps we will read in February when you return?

it looks we had the same thought at the same moment, I was typing my piece when you commented

issue is divisive because nation is divided itself on the issue, among my friends I count tenured university professor and a medical doctor, both avid supporters of gun rights so what one can expect from people with a bit narrower view of the world? only thing which would really create some movement on the issue is mass shooting on NRA convention repeated day later on some gun show. Than it would come to light that even if there's one good guy with the gun and stops bad guy , it is always few if not more lives too late. In meantime we people of other nations can only wonder what measures supposedly most advanced country in the world took to control it's population growth - letting it's kids kill each other.

being tired in the evening she could sent her 22 y.o grandson as a substitute and you missed that part

I also find that taking private tour and guide is worth an expense due to liberty of devoting as much or as little time to a site as you want. With group one is restricted by the program and often inevitably more time is spent on lunch and obligatory visit in commission paying stores than on the site itself. Advantage is that at times some doors are open to groups only, group tours are often much cheaper. So I'd say each option must be weighted on it's own merit. This includes old, fat,ugly lady as a guide. She may be knowledgeable and may have an access to more hidden door than handsome cute young man . ( general comment and in no way related to Sareth , Siem Reap guide we both , I presume , hired)

Is only one boy on the market to whom at one point in the past I was prepared to pay up to 200 USD but never got around to off him then. Wait was fruitful, got him for 2500 ST , watch this space , will be reported soon. I know that some may think I overpaid here and there, truth is all those 3 LT last trip I paid 4000 each were by far the best offs both by quality of time and quality of companion. Economizing did good only to a degree. Saved money but with exception of last 2 nights in PTT produced nothing memorable , just pleasure at the moment and 1 upsetting case- see next report. Both Tawan boys and Keow not only looked great but did their best to ensure I like time spent with them. Can't recall smallest fault on their part so money is not even an issue.Hope I will have a chance to see them in the future too. If I sense they are trying to pull my leg I have no problem of cutting them off. I'm not looking for a love in Thailand but gladly rent it for 500 baht /hr or less.

At least Mr. Keeter had guts to admit he was wrong all along but there are thousands if not millions who will continue to be stubbornly blind until at some time somebody will be moved down in their vicinity. Good luck USA with gun control but is not gonna happen, not under this administration for sure. Only God knows how I wish to be proved wrong.

Day 6 If one bothers to read these reports from rainy season trip may notice that it is actually very little mention of rain. There’s good reason for that, other than first day storm and occasional short drizzle so far there’s no rain. Skies are sunny and only reminder about wet season so far is humid in the air. After boy left I went to soi Post Office to internet café to deal with some e-mails and other internet traffic . I made my tablet working but still don’t like typing on it. Beside me was sitting chatty American, avowed Trump supporter who talked quite a bit and while listening I thought POTUS better delivers because lots of his people have a lot of hopes invested in him. When subject came to European style health care he labelled it as usually Americans do socialist heath care and I resorted that this is not socialist care , it’s members of society taking care about each other. “ I never thought like that” he said , “you gave a lot to think about this afternoon”. So by coincidence I turned out to be a bit of communist agitator corrupting healthy capitalist minds. LOL In the evening small forum meeting at Oscars. From posts here I suspected that there are few members in Pattaya at that time so sent few PM’s asking if they are willing to shake hands with disclaimer that no offence will be taken if they are not interested for whatever reason. Some prefer to be anonymous , others may not like me or my posts , others still may have better idea of vacation fun that meeting with farangs. Williewillie and aussie_ were interested so we arranged for highest level meeting this evening. It gave me a chance to reveal to williewiliie that we were already sitting beside each other 2 days ago and we had a good laugh. Nice conversation over beers and coffee and then aussie_ and me took off to Alt Heidelberg for a dinner and from there to Sunee to survey some bars. While I’m not into twinks at all, I like bar hopping and am not averse to see what other side like aussie_ likes . At least it’s sure thing we will not be fighting about the same boy. I’m not aiming at anybody but at times I’m surprised when people are talking how unsightly Tawan boys are while at the same time admitting they never put foot inside. At least I know what others like and are fond of. Nice Boys were pretty busy with few boys on stage presenting their wares already and willing to show more for a consideration so few tips were distributed. After while we changed scenery to Winners , bar I never was in previously. Less busy than Nice boys with few in the audience and cheapest drinks in industry at 75 baht so for 1000 baht one may have quite a party there. Again, like in Nice Boys quite a few boys nice to look at but none I’d even remotely consider taking home unless very pressed for company but I realize that many would say the same about boys I’m salivating about. As said many times before none is better or wiser and such diversity helps to keep all kinds of boys occupied. Then we decided to see show at XBoys so marched back to BT. Nothing new with show but I think they toned down volume of music thanks heaven . Boy I offed 2 nights ago smiled immediately perhaps hoping for repeat but I had other designs for tonight although not sure it will work. After we left I walked aussie_ to a Jomtien baht bus stop, thank you again for a lovely company and an interesting evening , quite diversified in entertainment . Boys at BBB don’t have numbers now , they wear name tags and had my eyes from day 1 on Keow, hunky hunk who will be at home at Tawan . He did not express much of interest in me, read ‘ not at all ’, no shock here , until I tucked reddie in his briefs during big cock solicitations. And tonight I came in the right , exactly the same moment. He did not forget who generous farang me was , so hasted to come to collect his note with wide smile and I was not about to waste such an opportunity so motioned him to sit down for a usual interview : ‘you go with me’, ‘yes’, ‘long time?’, ‘yes’, “how much you want?”, ‘3500’, ‘3000?’, ‘no 3500’, WTF , this is not a BKK so I tried again ‘I give you 3000”, ‘OK” and my silent ‘ yessssssssssssss” . What a catch ! In meantime waiter was trying to entice me to buy boy drink at 450 but I said no, I’m taking him. Since he is show boy they charged me 800 off fee, no way I’d be forking 450 for a drink particularly that late, earlier it would make sense if only to make sure he will not go astray with some other admirer. Happy, happy me marching with him across the soi to my room, knowing smile of girl on reception was priceless and made me proud of my catch even more. His English is very limited which worked very well since no time was wasted for a conversation and nirvana could be started right away. Very energetic night although we got some sleep and when we opened eyes at 7 a.m. I could not miss that proposal – you stay till 10 and I give you 4000 / readers please stop screaming , see the man first ! /. Money has spoken and I was contemplating next extension but at 10 he mentioned being hungry and I realized I’m as well . At tip distribution was that cold moment I mentioned in another thread, I dug out 1000 baht from pocket , gave to him and his face freeze for a second with an expression not even anger but big disappointment or who knows what but I did not torment him longer than 1.5 seconds and told him he will get what was promised in a moment as I have more money in the box. So another late breakfast , this time with a view of broad shoulders and day 6 was over with very clear pattern visible – I enjoyed those overpaid offs exponentially more than ones I managed to economize on. Thanks God for Thailand where dreams are coming true at reasonable cost. I don’t want even think of how much 10 hr. long , no rush overnight witch such a hunk would cost me at home but certainly several times more than equivalent of 4000 baht plus 800 off fee.

I found this in the website above, it seems sometimes it's too late to smarten up: The lead guitarist of a country music band playing Route 91 Harvest festival, where a gunman murdered 58 people on Sunday night, has said the horrific experience of the attack has changed his views on gun laws in America. “I’ve been a proponent of the [second] amendment my entire life,” Caleb Keeter postedon Twitter. “Until the events of last night. I cannot express how wrong I was.” ................. The feeling, he wrote, “was enough for me to realize that this is completely and totally out of hand.” “We need gun control RIGHT. NOW,” he added. “My biggest regret is that I stubbornly didn’t realize it until my brothers on the road and myself were threatened by it.

yes, but usually off fee is higher and depending on the bar they may be available only after certain hour when crowds in the bar are thinner

is short , boys who are actually dancing , usually on a separate podiums apart from main stage.

this is what I though afterwards, i paid that 800 like a sheep without protest ar trying to bargain , on another hand deal was sealed in presence of two mamasans so I don't think they tried to scam me. Anyways , who cares, that 800 I classified as one of better spent money that trip and this is what counts / at least for me /. Coyote dancers are classified as show boy for that purpose anyways.