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I treat them with respect for shocking reason, almost universally I simply like them. Since I prefer long time I'm trying to make sure they will be happy, It's why I ask them if they are hungry , offer them drinks, buy them something at 7/11 if I sense they like it but don't have audacity to ask and treat them to a breakfast in the morning if they wish. I doubt they are treated badly by many clients, they are on their territory and it would be easy for them to organize retaliatory action against mistreating client. Often I ask them about problematic clients and they rarely complain. Truth is since I deal with more mature men they are not that easy to abuse anyways but I sense that even twinks can easy find defenders. It's small world of boys and punters . I also prefer BTS to MRT because it's elevated and I can see my beloved Bangkok from above. Luggage those days when even back packs have wheels is no problem but I travel light anyways I do agree, if abuse would be problem , you of all people with your contacts in soi Twilight had been complained to often. Bad apples do exist and it pays not to be too rosy glassed but my assessment is no more than 3% of my offs in the past tuned to be assholes to some degree, 10 times more were absolutely fantastic and rest between Ok and gem. Only once I was witness of commotion between boy and customer and once it happened in my own room.

I don't mind it at all but hotels policy may prohibit staff from visiting guests in their rooms.

I can recommend, easy to get to and less mainstream sightseeing than all those crowds in ' must-see' places like Wat Arun or soi 4.

it was not dearedevil at all, Oud is proud owner of his new possession and was driving with dignity of somebody approaching retirement rather than on one wheel only.

nothing planned right now other than I will return in the unknown future as soon as I will be able to financially / you know , all those tips/ I will be happy to meet you there as well, different tastes are no problem, we won't be eating from the same plate and bar hopping with somebody of different taste in boys is as interesting as with those with whom I share the same . I don't have any prejudices, can look at , sit with and stuff 100 into any boy briefs, just only some are offing material for me.

I agree with Christian here, it was in his own room, if wallet is in the pocket temptation is sufficiently removed, why somebody would be interested in his trousers without Christian inside them ? Never heard about this but if that's a case I hope never to stay in such a creepy place , spying on own guests. Those must be those places charging equivalent of generous 2 times long time tips or more per night.

Final impressions All of my trips so far were either May/Jun or Nov/Dec so I decided on September one out of curiosity and sense of adventure – how it is in supposedly rainy and low season. I must say an experiment failed. While it was some rain , few times very heavy, Pattaya part, whole 7 days was sunny and pretty mild temperature wise. Rain which I suffered in Bangkok was always somewhat expected with clouds gathering so gave a chance to look for shelter and organizing time around disruption. Night when soi 6 was under water was actually quite exciting although it helped to be prepared with proper i.e. plastic sandals ( no not cheap one, I think I paid 50 $ at home . So in short , nothing to be afraid but having an umbrella and extra change of shoes and shirts will help. Since I always do my laundry , humid in the air made drying slow process. It was not as hot as I expected which was good news for me since I hate the heat. As for low season , boys were complaining but really when they don’t ? It was some difference comparing to say last December but not dramatic one . Bars usually crowded ( Jupiter, Tawan , BBB ) had good crowds. The same goes about number of boys in bars. Fame had it they may be heading home but they were working in good numbers and there was always good selection. Can’t comment on number of offs but at least I did my part. Only time when I saw low season in full swing was Dongtan Beach , almost empty at mid-day but this could be timing / lunch time/ So I definitely can recommend September trip. Most boys I wanted to see were there although two key ones were MIA, Boy from Tawan found another job and Bank from BBB took some time off but this could happen anytime. #42 from Jupiter did not show up and I had great hopes to nail him somehow but finally managed to off #60 Tam from Boy66. It was nice to see M at Senso and James in Arena back as rumors were they left for good when I was there last time. All offs with exception of one from Toy Boys were somewhere between good to excellent and even that twink was far from disaster, just bit less than OK. Nicest surprise was Art from BBB with his massage skills and M from Senso return to the field. Market economy worked perfect this trip , while some reader expressed reservations about my tipping practices there’s no doubt in my mind that quality went up with price paid. I regret Art did not want to avail himself to Long Time and I did not have time to off super handsome Cambodian I spotted at BBB at end of stay in Boyztown. Second time in row I liked Pattaya part a bit better than Bangkok one thank to boys from BBB and Copa massage in main part, not that it was anything wrong with BKK boys. It was great pleasure to meet our members Paulsf, Christian PFC, Williewillie and Aussie_, thank you guys for your time. Christian as always found some interesting , remote yet close to BKK place to initiate day trip. All in all those were fabulous vacations and even Cathay Pacific chipped in with upgrading me on return leg. I always wonder if coming to Thailand just for 1 week is worth trouble, effort and expense considering it takes me roughly 23-25 hours door to door to get there or back. Verdict is YES so who knows , I may try it next time. Thank you for reading those reports , if I bored you with too much or not enough detail send me a bill for a time wasted.

thank you , ever optimist I'm already thinking about next trip , only timing is unknown sometimes we need to take bad with good

Day 14 Before I left home I had really only one thing firmly planned for this trip – to visit Bank Of Thailand Museum on second Saturday as first one I was in Pattaya. As noted previously during week museum is open only for groups of at last 20 and by appointment only. On Saturdays there are 4 guided tours available with 100 free tickets available for each tour at 10.30, 11.30, 12.30 and 1.30. I was prepared to wait but to minimize chances of being turned away I wanted to be there early so for change this time I was rushing my boy companion in the morning to have a breakfast together and see you later. Warned by Christian’s report from the place I took long trousers with me. Fastest way to get there is by a boat and I took Tourist one for 50 baht as it was departing right away. Boat stops at Tha Phra Athit from where there’s pleasant walk partially along river with Santiprachakan Park and Phra Sumen fort on the way. Museum is located in old palace and it was recently renovated, on the same grounds is new Bank of Thailand building. palace new building I was at the gate at 10.15 and guards pointed at my bare knees but as noted I showed them proper attire pulled from my day pack. Then I was informed that 10.30 tickets are gone but for exchange of passport I got one for 11.30 tour. With more then 1 hr to wait I walked around exploring bit of Bangalampu, very quiet compare to hustle and bustle of Silom, had a coffee and even bought decent undies for just 30 baht. Group was split in 3 . Guide we were assigned to was very talkative but since I did not understand what he was saying I had a bit more time to actually see exhibits and palace itself. He even made visitors prostrate in front of figure of previous occupant of the palace, an exercise other groups were spared- I took pains to check. As a republican I skipped that part as well . But it was interesting and a bit out of ordinary tourist experience, it was only one other farang in our 100 strong group so I can recommend this to everybody , even those not interested in banking and money matters as palace itself is interesting and being part of tour with only locals is different experience than crowding in tourist infested , more popular places. I was expecting more actual coins and banknotes will be exhibited though. Leisurely walk back to a boat, again I took 50 baht tourist one even if regular 15 baht Chao Praya Express came actually first but it was quite crowded so I opted to splurge 35 baht extra for a guaranteed seat . It started to rain and it was raining all afternoon , not that I suffered much since at 3 p.m. I was expecting Dum from last night for another few hours of intimacy. On the dot, just like Phet on day 1 , at 3 he showed up. He lavished affection, well rehearsed last night in exchange for short time tip of 2000. It was getting dark when he left for a bar and I marched slowly through a Patpong and Suriwong to soi Twilight for a massage at Bangkok Massage. Namu from there is another veteran of many massages and offs and our meeting today was 11th. When we meet first time , back in spring of 2013 he was assigned for me from rotation so living proof that sometimes blind fate can fix us somebody pleasant and exciting to be with. On top of it he is fun loving so jokingly suggested we take another boy with us and I saw a candidate right there, Lek a bit feminine boy with bodybuilders body. As usual with Namu lots of fun with massage part fast neglected but I had Lek who at least did that part. It was supposed to be 1.5 hr. but we expanded it to 2 , no overtime charge though, just regular 1000 they are charging for 4 hands it that much , I don’t remember really. Too bad it’s my last day because there’s another boy there I like , Kai , muscular with bit angelic face but he was busy massaging lady client at the moment . From there very circular walk toward Tawan getting sights and sounds of Patpong for the last time this trip. It was well before show when I arrived so boys were presenting themselves on the stage and when they saw me , wasteful spender and known 100 baht notes stuffer in their undies , they presented themselves even better so few notes were placed in their nether regions in exchange for a feel. As usual boys offed this trip got nothing as they got their share of spoils already. What I noticed it was few new boys , mostly aspiring bodybuilders , some very aspiring including # 8 , twinky twink of size never seen in that kingdom of muscle and meat. It looks Tawan is trying to catch with those who were afraid to step inside so far. Boonthon #48 , from 2nd night was making gestures of “I go with you?” kind and nothing and nobody caught with my eye better at the moment so I called him over, no drinks tonight as on the last day I need to watch my pockets and told him to dress only to be hit with news that he can stay only till 1 because is booked by somebody else after bar closes. Half night for half tip with steely muscles and great kisser on top of that is just a bargain but I can’t sleep alone on the last night for fear of missing flight. Help is never far there and Dum just happened to be standing behind and when Boon explained unfolding problem he agreed to wait until he comes to pick him up at end of his shift in my room. Off we went , Boon and me , first to Oasis for their signature chicken with cashew nuts. Owner farang recognized me and greeted with ‘ I saw you passing by few times and knew that eventually you will come. Exchanging hand shake with Boon was his nice gesture as well. Then back to the room for world peace discussion combined with flexing muscles for me , all of them. Great men specimen he is and like most of straights knows why he is in the business, no drama , no fuss, another ’you happy , I happy ‘attitude. He did not even forget to thank me for chocolates I bought for his baby last week . His appointment was calling him but he did not pick phone up until I told him he can and even then he told him he will be wherever at time agreed not before, exact words. After exchanging parting kisses he went to Tawan to pick up Dum as discussed previously and I utilized lobby’s computers to catch up with the world while waiting. Few minutes later surprise , surprise, instead of seeing Dum third time today there was some unknown soldier I recalled seeing in the bar. Well built but not overbuilt ,if given a chance probably I would overlook him but since Boon said something about Dum unable to come ( sure he can have enough of me today but after all he agreed for another repeat ) I decided to play along with all this pimping and nodded approvingly . At this time what choice I had, only yes or no , ‘no ‘ meaning oversleeping my flight perhaps. It was a bit awkward but in the room with clothes shed it turned not that bad at all , nice and responsive body , good enough to prepare for long flight specially in view of discounted , half price tip discussed. Gave him 500 extra and invited for traditional breakfast after which we parted ways with hug and still wave of arms from the distance. Day 14 was over. I returned to the room , packed and in 15 minutes was on my way to Sale Daeng, then Phya Thai, train to the airport, fast drop off a suitcase and for a change I exchanged leftover bahts for my domestic currency loosing surprisingly little on operation. 70 baht left over I took home hoping it somehow multiplies before next trip in yet unknown future .

soon, perhaps as early as today or tomorrow as for future visit - for now great unknown, need to slave a bit and there are some clouds on horizon in this respect

no , I think with my little head that your post was plain rude

Sunee Plaza , the same soi now defunct Krazy Dragon was

I'm not technophobe , just don't like to spent all my vacation time glued to screens. Yes, on vacations I do check my messages twice daily as well as visit this forum , if only to keep in touch with members visiting at the same time. Always fun bar hopping and sightseeing with other members

I was expecting accolades of how beautiful Wat Chelo is or being scolded for not posting more pictures / no idea why but can't upload them into post after initial two / but I'm on the way to be public enemy #1 instead We should not forget we are operating in market economy, if price is too high we can easily find another supplier or try to bargain existing one to reasonable level. Boys tips are not different. I doubt I spoiled market for others that much, not in fact even for myself. Rate becomes standard only if overwhelming majority will pay it. Nothing stops anybody , including me to pay what one considers fair, just make sure boy agrees. Some don't discuss price beforehand and pay what they think they should, other like me like to have money matter cleared and fix it beforehand. It's all between boy and you / me/. Sure at Tawan I may be marked , in fact I was first to use that phrase but with exception of first instance when I paid 4000 LT all other 5 cases including 3 this trip were money very well spent according to source in the know first hand i.e. me. Sure I could stand by my standard 3000 LT tip but I did chose not to spent much effort bargaining down as It would take lot of fun from me. And I was rewarded nicely. In few cases I was taken for a ride a bit, in other few I sensed choice was to have dream boy with me or look for cheaper replacement. Men I'm chasing , older and well built are not as ubiquitous like boy-next-door and twink types and by virtuet of being in the business a bit longer know their worth and in fact can out wait clinet so I don't assume that they will all be so grateful if they get 2000-2500 LT and my advice to others is not to make such assumption either. Some , perhaps most will but it will be those who don't. I already told you story of being dumped mid-bar even if generous fee was negotiated. As Paul remarked above it's our choice to get what we want or to pay what we want, no right or wrong and in fact it may even change from day to day. If boy is too demanding try to bargain price down , if you think he is taking you for a ride, just say ' no ' or ' no, too much ' and see if he will be more reasonable or simply walk out, lots of fish in the sea but for some of us not all of them taste the same - hence differences in rates we are willing to fork out.

nothing wrong with Prague, Madrid , Barcelona or Lisbon

as for travelling light, answer is yes , here's my main luggage and daypack which works as carry-on on the plane as well. Luggage weight on departure was 9.4 kg secrets of travelling light are minimum number of souvenirs and doing my laundry daily myself The Economist just for size comparing as it's well known paper of standard size I also like travelling by public transit and use taxis as last resort, even in Thailand where they are of great value. Savings realized that way are going straight to pay those inflated boy tips.

I never did but it must be said that few years ago in Tarntawan and on just last trip at New Cafe Royal receptionists were / are very handsome.

Day 13 Disclaimer first : all pictures in today’s post are courtesy of ChristianPFC posted here with his permission, thank you Christian During bar hopping yesterday we decided to materialize earlier plans to see Chang Chui creative area and Christian suggested that on occasion we visit some rural temples in the area so it’s why this morning world saw us boarding 9.20 train to Hua Hin and about 40 minutes later we left train at Bang Bamru station, impressive white elephant. Bangkok suburban station taking roughly 15 trains a day in each direction but built on impressive scale for reason perhaps even Buddha couldn’t comprehend but certainly whoever made money from construction, did. To give you and impression, man’s toilet has no less than 17 urinals, that’s seventeen. Perhaps more than in whole Grand Central station in NYC. But that’s not my problem, we set to our first object Wat Chelo by foot , it did not take long as it’s about 2 km from station and it’s interesting to see how rapidly urban scenery is changing to a village one. As you see Wat Chelo is an impressive temple and if was located in city center most likely would be mobbed by tour buses day and night due to unique architecture of temple on the boat. But where it is , short distance from city’s hustle and bustle it was quiet and serene and we had it almost to ourselves to explore. Behind the temple is a khlong / channel / easily crossed by the bridge and on another side we have real village with village’s sounds and smells and village temples and shrines we visited to heed Christian motto that day without visiting temple in Thailand is day lost. Watch his blog as sooner or later he will post his impressions from that trip. village temple [ Then further on he lead us to once abandoned and ruined temple , now partially resuscitated / for some reason can't upload pictures / Village dogs guarding it were quite jealous barking hostile but leaving our legs intact on departure. After short stroll through village paths we found glimpse of civilization , road with roadside restaurant where we were only customers on arrival but by time we left all few tables were occupied – sign that we came at lunch time. Christian treated us with lunch , I don’t remember what I eat but it was certainly very tasty and filling, Thai cuisine at it’s best. In meantime monsoon started to be more active with clouds gathering but by time rain arrived we managed to cover some distance to another temple which we could see only from outside as it was in process of renovation about which we were sternly reminded by lady in charge of the door ‘ You, no !” when we tried to enter. Our survey of BKK outskirts was interrupted by the rain which we outwaited in the nearby bus shelter and after hour or so there we continued back to civilization which appeared as a railway line so we covered few km on the tracks included crossing few canals on the bridge, quite “ Indiana Jones for the poor “ experience specially when my 2 $ umbrella slipped from my had and felled to a chasm 3 meters below. Main reminder we are not completely in the wild was cemetery of old plane engines following tracks for a while but guarded by a fence and small khlong , wide enough to prevent us from jumping over. Back in BKK we went to Chang Chui place , well visible mainly due to airplane parked in the middle and after paying 20 baht admission we were greeted by the sight of ‘memento mori “ exhibit. Wandered around shops, exhibits , even had pizza in their pizzeria, not bad tasting but still distant relative of one from Madrid Patpong. Chang Chui was introduced to us here by reader in the post http://www.gaythailand.com/forums/topic/11336-chang-chui-bangkoks-newest-creative-space/?hl=%2Bchang+%2Bchui thank you reader. It was pretty quiet and perhaps is busier in the evening but it’s clearly aimed at urban motorized yuppies and artsy types as getting there and from by public transport while possible is a bit tedious as we learned on return. While train from Bang Bamru would be best option there was none for next 1.5 hr. so we opted for a bus and it was quite a walk to get to a stop , quite a walk for bus to arrive – it was 5 p.m. on Friday so Bangkok congestion at it’s best. We took bus 149 going all the way to Sathorn so very tempting. Christian got off somewhere in between and I continued toward Saphan Taksin which was quite breezy but after bus turned toward bridge we were stuck in the traffic for good and it took exactly 70 minutes to cross the bridge, not a minute less. Driver did not open door so we were trapped inside and for 50 minutes I was quite upset but than , always looking for full half of glass I realized that trap produces substantial savings as my plan was to go to Senso, do your math. 1490 for 1.5 massage and minimum tip 1800 , if M or Jack would be there it could be 2000. Long live Bangkok bus thought I after 70 minutes alighting in front of Surasak station and taking BTS home to Nantra. My advice to anybody taking Bangkok buses or taxis is to take it to nearest BTS or MRT whatever it is , continue by rails as close to your destination as possible and then again bus or taxi to a goal. Very busy , full of impressions and rare sights thanks to Christian day so I rested and desoiled myself a bit and for last unrushed night in Thailand ( I still have another night but with morning departure I will be watching clock a bit ) I couldn’t pick up another bar seeking for companion than Tawan so off I went greeted by few smiles of boys I treated with offs and tips in the past and those who are keen pretenders to those in the future. Few red notes were tucked inside of their briefs. To my surprise one of boys on the stage , #8 was completely out of place , regular twink , not even aspiring body builder , one our resident twink admirers would be happy to contemplate to take home. Possibly they decided to diversify a bit. Tonight I had sights on #6 , Dum, I noticed him keenly in Dec and was glad to see him this time. Issan native with very black skin and full , African like lips. Could be taken for a black boy. Well and proportionally built , not a bodybuilder but muscular type and smooth like a baby, knowing that I have sights on him ( one night passing by boys drinking after Tawan closed I told him one day he is mine) called by mamasan because I did not see him come all in smiles. Boon #48 was making motions from the stage hoping he will be my choice again but even him when saw Dum at my sight made an approving , fingers up, gesture. I was watching show a bit but mixture of fatigue after such a busy day and curiosity how new for be boy turns out I decided to grab him and run. We skipped usual food part as he was not hungry and I had something in the room before going to bar as well. As I said , at Tawan I’m marked men so of course his tip request was inflated, but I settled on 4000 I paid to other two their boys hoping I get value for my money ( and stabilize some heart beat rates of people reading this ). Gamble paid off , absolute gem, quite passionate and those lips !!!. He was not in rush to go home but I had some morning plans so at 8 asked him to come at 3 p. m. for a short round , he agreed we were both happy happy marching to Foodland for a customary breakfast finishing another impressive day , this time 13th of this trip. I was planning to place few more pictures from our trip in this post but can't upload them so I gave up, my apologies

I'm last to laugh at this type or queries. Man hunting situations are sometimes awkward. I never know why I feel a little bit nervous when I got to Arena and Senso but never feel like that with all other places. Don't ask me why because I don't know. Certainly not shyness, Dit from Arena is boy I met more than any other in Thailand and at least 5 other boys I met already are still working there, when inside I feel like at home but on approach I'm still recycled virgin. There's boy at BBB Pattaya I chalked 10 offs with , 8 LT and he still seems uncomfortable showering together, again no idea why. There's no cover it all receipt on approaching boy one has an interest in, it all depends of situation but I employ that already mentioned rule - he must acknowledge my presence . Truly as you described it , elegant way. Is not difficult though, boys being in the escort business are keen on exploring opportunities and combing environment with their eyes so in short, they may find you sooner than you find them. Just stay tuned

thank you for answering , did not have pleasure I believe

Risky move on his part , getting privately involved with guest in his room. I guess he knew what he was doing.

who is your favorite boy? do I know him?

firecat fell silent since July 12 and did not visit us since

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