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Sorry guys; I lost u. What's the claim here? That we shldnt pay more than 1000 for st?

In Jomtien EVERYONE said 1500

GB, I can certainly sympathize with ur reaction. However, I suggest considering the following. 1. These nmbrs r what the expat approximated. I/we dont know the extnt to which he was crct. I sure hope someone checks this out. 2. At least in Latin America (with which m more familiar), at some venues the"stars"get more. For me these 7 boys fit the dfntion. 3. No drink for boy. 160 b for beer (in my case 100 for Sprite) doesnt seem expnsv. 4. As I've written, "crazy" wld btr fit Zag's largesse. For one drink u get 3 and a half hours of cabaret show + troupe of 7 + dancing club. If u join after the show had moved inside, u can even skip the oblgtry 1st drnk, bcs they cant/wont pin u down (very few seats). M very much lkng frwrd to additional rprts from there, especially about offs.

Thx

I arrived in Zag at 21:50; was told the show starts at 22:30; decided to take a 2nd look at the massage places. Seemed like in the aftrnn: no pdstrians; 4-5 boys sitting in front of each parlor; again none appealing. The boys were less persistently lively than at Jomtien, most didnt bother to get out of their chairs. I wld rtrn to that soi after midnight, and the next day and night; same same. Back at Zag, the cabaret show takes place on the street (see pics below); at times cars and motorbikes passing by the prfrmrs. I took a seat at the side near G-Bar. Bad idea. 15 mnts into the show, G started their outside show, volume drowning Zag's. Apparently business relations deteriorated since Emiel's rprt, and so much for the non-competitive ethic we heard about in J. I moved to the other side. It was a good show, with 5 alternating ladyboys dancing, dressed up glittering, mouths synchronized with the soundtrack. A little after 23:00 the show moved inside, and improved. Two things changed. One, the inside isnt a bar setting but rather a dance club around a stage. Two, a troupe of 7 masculine sexy shirtless boys appeared, dancing professionally in sync btw the singing bits. A lot of energy in the air, with patrons dancing clapping shouting. At intervals, the 7 boys mingled shortly with the crowd. All this lasted till 02:00. Given the deafening volume, at one point I took a waiter outside to inquire about what was uppermost in my mind: gays or straights? Offable? Apparently he wasnt sure as to their prfrncs, but yes - offable. How much? 10,000(!) split btw bar and boy. That was so ovbviously a lie, which meant that he perceived me as an out-of-his-depth farang... (-: Back inside I noticed two farangs who were obviously well aquainted with the place, just as they were leaving. I followed them outside, and one of them was most obliging with info. Yes, at least 6 of the 7 were gays. Yes, offable. Fees: to the bar 1500; to the boy - negotiable, prbbly 1500-2000. Seizing the opportunity, I asked him also about something that intrigued me: how cld the bar's business model be sustainble? There was no enterance/cover charge and beer was 160 b; how cld they afford such a 3 and a half hours extravaganza? He said that expenses were lower than I thought. For examples: the bar bought the beer for just 60 b; prfmrs paid for their own glittering costumes; staff relied mainly on tips; etc. Even though, it seems to me quite a feat if only for maintenance and utilities, not to mention actually making money.... Anyway, back to the boys. Given the noise level, it was impossible to really engage anyone as they huddled close to the ear of one patron or another. All I wanted was to get a wtsp/line nmbr. However, I m not at my best in the wee small hours, so I let it drop. Nvrtheless, I had a great time, the format being so dfrnt from Pattaya, and the boys - much more appealing. The next night, per Emiel's inspiration, I went to G bar. It's much smaller; the cabaret - good but less so than Zag's; max 20 patrons cmprd to at least 80. Again there was a 15 mnts volume overlap. M not sorry I went there, both to show support as Emiel had suggested,and bcs of a very talented ladyboy (actually ladyman by his appearance) mimicking Japanese song acts. After the show ended, I joined the inside-party at Zag. Again srprsd there was no cover charge or even a mndtry 1st drink, I donated 300 b. In both bars I didnt see any staff sitting with patrons, or appealing to me. I m glad the next day a masseur called Adam from Blue Dolphin solicited me on grndr. Gave me the best erotic body massage I rmmbr, for 1500 b.

There's VERY little udated on Phuket in this Thailand section, and the last sex thread in the Business-Phuket section is 7 months old. I decided to give Phuket its due, and received Emiel's permission to copy-paste here his GREAT Spt report (minus photos), originally a bit buried in pp 7-8 of his magesterial Thailand trip. It can be viewed it in its entirety here: https://www.gayguides.com/forums/topic/38253-trip-report-thailand-september-2022/page/8/ I hope this will simplify searches for the Phuket-minded. It will also help to better understand my two forthcoming reports. So here it is: In evening it was time to head to Paradise Complex to see what's left from the gay area. In one street good old Zag Club is still there, even bigger than before. Next to it is G Club. Both have drag shows that you can watch while sitting on their terraces. As they do the show on the street. Zag later continues their show inside. It was very busy at Zag. Between their shows the crowd in dancing and flirting. With some shirtless staff joining in. Crowd is a good mix of falang, Asian, young and older. Everybody enjoying themself and each other... Very good and nice atmosphere. There are two other smaller bars in the street but they actually didn't have any customers when I passed by. The good old boat bar went bankrupt and is gone. There used to be also two go go bars in Paradise, with boys wearing numbered tags that could be offed. But they also didn't surivive covid lockdowns. The owner of Zag Club bought most of the buildings on the street. To avoid any competition coming in. Some of the buildings he is owning are already empty for many years. They are up for sale, but apparently he doesn't want to sell to anybody planning to start a bar or club. Other bars, like G Club, are struggling a bit. For example: Zag is suppose to do their street show until 10pm after which G Club can start theirs, to try to get also some customers in. But Zag just continues their street show till way after 10pm, giving G Club less fair chance to take some business. The bars are next to each other, so they can't do street show at same time because music will reverberate disturbingly. Because of the dominant presence of Zag, that club was full of people while G club only had handful customers on the terrace. If you're coming to Phuket I would suggest to also support the business in G Club a bit and don't forgot to also sit down at their terrace for a drink. If only for the cute and young owner / manager. Their streetshow will start as soon as Zag take theirs inside. In the road parallel of the bar street, there are a few gay massage places. Will check them out later. With no go go bars being re-opened (yet), to get some fun in Phuket you have to scroll the apps, venture to the massage shops or just flirt with boys you like in the nightlife. There are a few massage places catering for us kind of people in the Paradise Complex. Most of them situated in the middle Soi. The one directly in front of the hotel tower. The most boys and greatest variation of types I found on offer at 4 Massage. Also Blue Dolphin has his fare share of boys. But don't forget to check out the massage shops with smaller amount of boys. As there can be a stunner also. I found for example a very goodlooking boy at Sabai Sabai. I'm told that they still have gogo boys at Spartacus(in Paradise), might be worth keeping your eye open for them. I couldn't find Spartacus. Google made me believe Spartacus was in the beginning of the Soi where Zag club is. But nothing open there. The first open establishment on the left side when you enter is Zag. On the right side there's another bar but is seems to be a normal bar. No gogo boys or anything exciting... So maybe they moved to another place that is unfindable, or your information is unfortunately not up to date..

Thanks VERY much for this explanation, GiP. I urge u to consider re-posting the 3rd prgrph as a new thread, under "where to find your friendly expats in Jomtien", or something like that. It wld b VERY useful to new visitors.

Sorry Posted by mistake, b4 cmpltng the fotos.

For those of u intrstd in daytime activities btw nightly clubs/bars crawl, here's a list of beautiful and/or fun places B and I visited and rcmnd. The furthest ones r 30 mnts drives. U r wlcm to ggl-map for more dscrption and images. See some fotos below; B cntrbtd the 2 imojis. To the north: Frost Magical Ice of Siam - a big hall in freezing tmprtr with ice sculptures, bar, sleds. 3 fotos. The Million Years Stone Park & Pattaya Crocodile Farm - crcdl show and some elphnts & jrfs, but the sculpted rocks huge garden is (for me) the real draw. 3 fotos. Mini Siam - similar to mini-s in other countries; includes also a mini world. 2 fotos Sanctuary of Truth Museum - impressive wooden new tmpl; wndrfl carving; no screw or nail. 3 fotos Art In Paradise Pattaya - very big compound, for taking 3 dimensional animated fotos/vids selfies. GREAT fun. 3 fotos dont do it justice; cant post imoji-ed vids. To the south: Nong Nooch Tropical Garden - HUGE place; justifies a whole day: 2 tall levels of "Sky Garden"; wide valley combining Thai European prehistoric elmnts; and more. 4 fotos Legend Siam Pattaya - it only seems like a mere theme park (children, culture). However, it boasts a futuristic cannabais museum, and GREAT dark mirror maze & haunted house. 3 fotos only of museum

I hope they tipped u well

Vinapu, this is not the case of legit use of others/famous fotos, with or without disclaimers. It's a case of using a PROFILE and fotos of one known provider by another guy.

I took the foto today, when preparing the post. At the time, it was 208 METERS.

Tee has an eye-catching red shirt grndr profile. He initiated communication with two great body-face pics, and later followed with a convincing dick. He offered 1000 instead of the 1500, which is a red flag. However, b4 we met I asked B about him (and others). He had met Tee, authenticated the pics, and said I'd enjoy him. We set a date; he didnt show up, or rspnd to my ??; and hours later surfaced with a lame excuse in lieu of an apology. Same thing happened the 2nd time; another red flag (ot two). When finally he showed up (NO english), he didnt look like Tee's pics, but rather shorter and darker. I thought maybe that was due to his day-lighted pics, and anyway - he was vetted by B..... However, 3 minutes into the session it was obvious he had no clue. I said "this isnt working" and told him politely to leave. He seemed neither disturbed nor surprised. I m angry at myself that I gave him 200 b. He had the temerity to ask more for taxi! It was only later while discussing this with B, we came up with a possible explanation that maybe Tee - no longer intrstd in his prfl - had subcontrated it. I've had my share of guys not looking at all like their purported fotos. Nvr had a such a case with fotos authenticated by a credible source. Anyway, be forewarned against prfls containing the fotos below.

After touring Walking St for the 1st time, I went by myself on a 2nd clubs round, Sunday 21:30-22:30. Didnt visit BBB, bcs had already seen the show, and wanted to head to J bars. 4 clubs - I peeked for a mmnt and decided not to sit. Winner: 1 boy with cstmr, 1 on stage. No one appeared when the bell rang. Toy boys: no cstmrd, 8 boys, none for me. A bomb: 3 boys, 3 cstmrs, no interaction. X boys: 3 boys, 1 cstmr. Now for the two clubs I did stop at. Nice Boys: 11 boys same as in previously reported visit. Unlike empty then, there were 2 cstmrs when I arrived, and one joined after me. Each of us took a corner seat. C1 was busy wnkng a boy, who was watching straight porn on his fone. Later a 2nd boy wld b called to the other side, so C1 was wnkng on each side. I think one of the boys had the least tiny dick in the club, bcs its head was showing above the wnkng palm. C2 was sitting with the only attractive boy. I think he started wnkng him only after he noticed that's what I was doing. C3 was apparently well known to the boys. Every cpl of mnts he wld jesture one over; the boy wld stand in front of him and lower his panties; C3 wld play with his package, smack his butt playfully, and send him back with a 50 b tip. I didnt find anyone to my taste, but wanted to exprmnt, so I called over the twink most vigorously wnkng beneath his panties. He sat by me, ordered a drink, I jestured to lower his pants, and out came the tiniest dick I have ever seen. Furthermore, it had 3 inserted round beads which I really dont like. Nevertheless I started wnkng, and on came the porn but the boy cldnt get it hard. He put his hand on my thigh, I moved it to my groin, but he wasnt very good at that either. I then gradually unzipped, guided his hand a bit, and then whipped mine out. The boy said "big", continued watching porn & wnkng me, and not getting hard. After three more mnts I discharged him with 150 b. By then the attractive boy had rtrnd to the stage from C2, so I beckoned him over. We went through the same routine, this time he had no beads and also got hard. I gave him 250 b, and left. The whole visit lasted 10 mnts. While I m glad to have experienced such public promiscuity for the first time, I wont b back to a place with such tiny palm-covered dicks and (to me) unappealing boys. Dream boys: 10 boys on the stage; jeans, no shirts; nmbr tags; 3 of them sort of nice. A group of 3 cstmrs left as I entered. The boys made dancing moves on stage, and the whole atmosphere was btr than in all other clubs. I ordered a drink; and the stern-looking mamasan sat by me, again and again jesturing at the stage. I asked about the hot boy #45 we had met 4 nights ago, but she didnt rspnd. Fortunately, a cpl of mnts later a group of two pairs (man woman) entered, and then a pair of men. The mamasan jestured to the boys to direct their attention to them. I then decided to bypass bar mangement: instead of asking boys over for a drink, I approached the stage and shoved a 100 b bills into the jeans of the 3 nice ones. The 1st seemed a bit srprsd. I thnkd them all and left, on my way to livelier Jomtien.

Thank u Forrestreid; I hope u and others do the same. (-: Mavica, the foto forum u referred to isnt about rcmndng providers. Most of the pics there r nudes of porn stars or of un-met providers.

Yes, Tob is also on grndr, but I was told that he tends to switch profiles there.

I believe one of the functions of this platform is to exchange info about providers, incldng pics and cntcts. While practicing this in the Latin America forum, I was vigorously challenged. I explained that when providers explicitly permit posting their info, it works for the benefit of both sides. All of us wld prfr to hire someone who has already been vetted. [Readers already know that I m into mscln.] So here goes. Pop XL solicited me on grndr on my 1st evng there. He isnt XL per se; he might b in Thai terms. Sent good pics. Polite chat and to the point. Answrd "yes" to all my questions. Showed up on time. Looked like his fotos. Btr than avrg english. Went along with evrythng I wanted. Asked for and received 1500 b. He msg-ed me each day later, trying to meet again, but I prfrd being "butterfly" (a local term B taught me). U can find him thru his nick on grindr. Tob was rcmndd by B, who also forwarded to me his whatsapp nmbr. He works at Foxy Smile Massage, 30 mtrs from Agate hotel where I stayed. He asked for 2000; I wrote "too much, everyone else is 1500"; he agreed. For me he is a true eye candy; toned, smooth, handsome. His pic below is the first, tatoo on left shoulder. This was my first massage in Thailand; unlike Cambodia no real therapeutic part at all. Tob began immediatelly with oil-erotic. Within 4 minutes I felt his banana-shaped hard-on, which apparently means he isnt straight & is into mature, and or a true professional. He is very much an erotic pro; very accomodating; left me more than satisfied; and afterwards texted me a sweet thanku. U can find him at the parlor, or thru his Hornet ID: @1hjqyh Big17cm on grndr: Dara isnt really 17 cm, but almost there. Biggest dick I've seen these 3 weeks. He works at Home Bar, and solicited me with the standard sums (1500 st, 2500 lt). Was honest to admit that he doesnt like to suck, and not so good at it. When I voiced my rsrvation about this, he answrd: "I might do well to get you hooked with me", which got me hooked to him... (-: When he showed up he looked like his 4 fotos below. He first brushed his teeth very thoroughly; I did likewise. Then followed him into the shower, where he seemed srprsd that I soaped and rinsed him (love to do that). Then said it was 1st time client does this. I asked if it bothers him; he said "no, it's sweet"... (-: Taught him how to reciprocate; we went into full wet oral mode; dried each other; and off to bed, where he really lived up to his promise to "do well". His almost-17 also felt VERY well. We had a rather long chat. His limited English was the best among providers during this trip. We r used to them telling us about their financial difficulties, for ulterior motives. I was therefor srprsd to hear that in 8 months work in J since he came from Cmbdia, he had saved $1000. Sounds astounding to me, but I see no reason for him to lie about this. We parted after 2 hours; I paid him 2500. Dara is the only guy I met twice during this trip. 2nd time was btr than 1st. He dozed off after the pillow talk, with my dick in his hand. Took a while to extract it without walking him up. It was during that talk that I asked him about publishing his details-fotos; he enthusiastically approved. U can find him at Home Bar or thru his grndr nick. PS - 1st time: A handsome taxi driver texted me from BKK that he wants to come especially to Pattaya just to meet me. Persisted even after I told him I'll b leaving shortly with no chance of dlvpng anything. Said that wasnt his intent; just wanted to meet and sex. I let him down gently, not wanting the rspnsblty of a man wasting 3 hours drvng just to meet me.

U can identify the boy in one of the pics I attached. Almost certain the same party. Pity we didnt meet.

I now im Patong-Phuket, and will post in a cpl of days about a bar WITH dancing here.

Act I: On our 1st bar night, B said that in Double Shot at 22:00 the boys take their shirts off, so of course we headed there. Nude chests inject erotica into the sex-lessness atmosphere I mentioned in my previous rprt, and indeed it was rewarding to eye-candy them. I like the lean-athletic type. Most of them were nice to ogle at, and I wanted to invite a boy to sit and drink, but all of them were a bit...full, or with just a tiny belly. All of them that is, until I dtctd my dream guy at a corner: taller and browner then the others, perfect flat chest, joyful smile. Alas, he was sitting with another boy at a table with two patrons. Unashamedly I stared as that man did everything I wanted to do. He sat the boy on his lap facing outward, stroked his chest, kissed his back, pinched his nipples, etc. The boy didnt reciprocate, but seemed fine with it. Since there were no signs the patron was going to leave, and since no other alluring boy appeared, after about 30 mnts we left. Not before I asked for the boy's name - Jinno. B is well aquainted with one of the bars' managers, who speaks prfct English. We asked him why dont the rest of the bars emulate this business enhancing shirtlessness idea. He explained that Thai ethics prohibit such copycatting competition. Our loss )-: Act II: The next night I returned alone. Didnt see shirtless Jinno, so I asked where he was. Turned out he way at the back with a cstmr. The boy I asked was the same smiley one who gave me Jinno's name the night before. He jestured he was going to call him; I said 'but he is with cstmr"; smiley wasnt deterred; and for some reason Jinno deserted that guy for me. We sat together for almost an hour, chatting via ggl about the usual stuff. He was rather assertive friendly-like, at one point - without asking permission - downloading Line on my phone and then establishing contact from his. Here is one not hesitant about marketing.... I enjoyed getting up close and prsnl with him just like I had fantasized, and he sometimes put his arms around me or gave a hug or poorly imitated massage movements. Smiley came by a couple of times, one time playfully touching Jinno's groin. I did the same; nothing interesting there. At no time did he even hint at offing, and I didnt try. Had a feeling he's better at being touched than sexed. Jinno had two whiskies on me, and I tipped him 500 b. Great host bar experience. Act III: Having sent B photos of Jinno on my lap and my hands all over him, B decided that we go there again. Good decision for an additional reason. Turned out there was a birthday party for one of the boys. The occasion calls for no shirts off; rather they all wore narrow-fitting white shirts. Looked good. Jinno had no problem unbuttoning a bit for my searching fingers, and we were back to our ystrdy's moves. B found himself another boy, much more proactive than Jinno. He began some dancing moves, which caused B to enthusiastically follow suit, claiming: "Farang CAN dance even if their preference is that we sit"! I wanted to join in, but Jinno claimed he doesnt dance and or that he is tired bcs he didnt sleep well. When I asked why, he said he is worried about his parents. I stopped there, bcs the direction might lead to hints at money... At some point B's guy disappeared, which didnt prvnt generous B from leaving with Jinno a tip for him. To honor the birthday boy, management brought the B-Boys troupe (we saw a couple days before at BBB) to perform. See below sexual act with the embarassed guest of honor, and an impressive fire show. The vids were too heavy/big to upload here, so I attached only snippets. GREAT last night for me at Jomtien Supertown.

Hahaha Vinapu (-: Humored my whim, but as a response to a short vowels-full text. I never drop normal letters, so: thNk u for A vRy cMpRhNsv rprt.

(-: Nothing to apologize about. I know you didnt; just wanted to set the record straight. I view your kind of comments as fulfilling the aim of this forum.

Kokopelli, I know how the system works. All I wrote was: 1) They werent MY taste, which of course doesnt disparage either their looks or others' tastes. 2) I didnt see anyone "walking down the soi with a farang", which surprised me. I expected it to b a common sight.

Bkk, ur QR idea is major sci-fi! PS, wldnt define myself as "shy". Not residing here, I dont know anything about expats socializing. I posted an 'academic' query about this on the forum a couple of months ago, and got the impression there's not much going on. To each - his own.... In any case, my comment was focused not on farangs' interaction btw themselves, but rather on the srprsng observation the so few of them in bars were interacting with local boys.

Jomtien Complex - Supertown is compact: 4 short streets, connected by 3 L-shaped turns, excluding the 2 bigger streets on its rims. Better understood by viewing the map just posted bu bkk (B). It boasts about 30 bars, 9 massage parlors, 10 cafes/rstrnts, and 4 main hotels. In the longest and main part, a roof covers the pedestrian street/lane (as shown in the photos below). That's where the main noisy action is, 20:00-02:00. 3-4 bars hold cabaret performances, the most impressive is Venue's. Walking along parlors or bars, boys approach with "hello mister, u want massage / sit / drink.... ?". Some here have dscrbd this as a hassle, to b avoided sometimes by taking shortcuts. Although I found next to no one offable (most being effiminate or twinkish or not my taste), during my 6 nights there I didnt feel annoyed by them. Au contraire; I always answered "no thank u", and/or shaked my head for "no". If they came closer to engage, I bantered with them; when they took my hand or touched me, I used the opportunity to caress them. Though by the third day they prbbly understood I wont b tempted, they persisted and it was just fine by me. Indeed, once when I was at Delice buying cookies, I bought some extras, and offered them to the massage boys in front of Soda and the 2 parlors close by. They were pleasantly surprised. As I checked into Agate, I started recieving apps solicitations from 1-200 mtrs away. Given there r at least 300 guys working around there, I later wondered why only a miniscule nmbr of them use apps to market themselves. As mentioned in my 3rd rprt I prefer the apps method, so all my meetings were cooked this way. I went into bars 4 times. The 1st was Venue; they got my attention bcs of the cabaret. I sat, watched, didnt see any offable staff, and rspndd to apps messages. The show was not as good as BBB's, but certainly enjoyable (though repetitive). After an hour+ a match clicked in grindr, so I retired to my hotel room. The other 3 bar visits were at Double Shot, which rate a rprt by itself. Two things surprised me. 1. Most farangs were sitting by themselves, pairs or groups. Very few were sitting with boy, usually in silence and looking bored. Depite intense people watching I didnt see even one instance of what would look like an off. 2. There's no erotica / horniness in the air, despite sex persumably being uppermost in the minds of most present. Didnt see any farang lust or any temptatious boy. Or maybe I dont know how to read.... I liked Jomtien Supertown; the concept, the atmosphere, people watching (boys and cstmrs). Doing that with B was an added value bcs he is such an expert watcher. (-: