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Yeah, and it has been discussed in this thread too. https://www.gayguides.com/forums/topic/11941-new-boyz-music-show-bar-in-boyztown/ Ill probably copy some of my experiences in bars in the respective business thread for easy reference when i have time.

Its a different bar across the soi, in between castro and toyboy. Open bar concepts so u can see the stage from outside, hence no exposed obscenity. Its one of the reasom why its pretty similar to dreamboys since over there, boys also move downstair, to a different bar called boys bangkok.

Sorry, didnt noticed your reply. I can totally understand that. I myself will also get annoyed if someone asked me personal questions too. And yes, most of the time we chat about boys, bars, more boys, massage places, and maybe about some tourist places we have been to.

Most that have families will usually go back during tet, in fact for some, its the only time the go back home. But yeah, there will always some who stays. Ive never been to thai during cny, but ive been in vietnam during tet, the city is almost deserted with a lot of shops and restaurants and even stores are closed. We had to either buy grocerry earlier or eat at the international restaurants that are still open.

No wonder popular boys dont want to go with customer or ask higher tip to be away from bars. Especially if the boys really enjoy drinking anyway.

Today is new year's eve. I planned to visit the lookout point and gran buddha today. Ideally, i shouldve gone in the morning to skip the heat, but i woke up noonish, and have nothing else in mind to fill the time during the day. I take the seongthaw and take roght after the under bridge traffic light, had lunch at one of the restaurant there. Then i started to walk towards the lookout point. While the beginning of the walk along the street was scorching hot, i soon arrived at a park with trails that is completely under shades, so i just stroll along the trail, and see some locals are there as wells. The first guy i saw was definitely a drug addict, saw syringe and he just sit on the stairs trail not doing anything. I just walked passed him, hoping he wont bother me and he didnt. The trail doesnt really goes up to the lookout point, but just underneath it, so i have to to to the entrance road, which is accessible from the trail but its a bit of detour but having a rest from the sun makes the detour a preferred route for me anyway. The lookout point itself is definitely worth visiting. The view is awesome, almost like looking at ipanema beach from sugar loaf. The crowd is less during midday too, and its very windy, so i stay here for quite a while before heading down and moved towards a different road for the gran buddha. Another place worth visiting. There is a nice temple garden before you reach the gran buddha stairs. When i visit the garden, locals in motorcycles stopped to ask me something in thai. When i explained i am not thai, they switch to english and ask me direction to a phratamnak village, and all i know is phratamnak mountain lol. The temple itself its also very unique, with big golden buddha on top, nice view and windy as well. It does feels very peaceful even with many people around. All is done, i went down and head back and walk to second road toward the school to take seongthaw back to hotel. But i saw similar thing as yesterday, a long queue and no seongthaw queueing. I decided to cross the road and head to chivarome, where i see kinda cute masseur sitting outside, so i told him id like to have a foot massage. Great cheap massage by great masseur who told me about NAB being the gay clubs local goes to, about the free concert at balihai oier that starts at 9pm but people will start gather around 7pm. He also says he has a muscular friend who work in BBB, he told ne the guys name, but not his nicknamr he used in the club but told me he is cambodian. He also told me he and his masseurs friend will go to the concert and countdown a little after 11pm, after the shop closed. After the massage, i head back to hotel by seongthaw. Reached hotel for a bit of rest from the hear and the walk, and had dinner (just left over from my lunch) and clean up before heading to BT again. A little update on my request for a setup with the other masseur from copa. It turns out this other masseur also already have a customer tonight. I asked if he has other muscular masseur friends, he show me a picture, and asked if i want to book his friend. Face and body wise, not bad, but i said i want to meet him in person first as i am heading to boyztown anyway. He says ok, up to me lol. I also checked up with Z909 on his plan for the new years eve. He told me we can meet for a coffee, he is in jomtien, but i was having my foot massage at that time lol so we decided to meet for the countdown later after trying to get a boy for the night. I head out to BT, and this time its only me, so i have no issues getting a seongthaw heading to BT, but still have to wait for a few full ones to pass by first before getting one. Reached at BT and parked myself at castro bar. The whole street has been transform today. Red carpet were laid down across the road from boys music to BBB end on the other side. There is free food for anyone in front of BBB, but i just ate so i parked myself at Castro outside bar, just looking at BBB boys and mamasan and maybe owners and their friend sitting on the table outside. Its definitely a party is about to start. There is a table set up for gifts, there is a backdrop for picture taking, and decorations geared up for the new year. The theme is white, and all boys and mamasans/waiter wears whites. Some wears for the occasions and even do their hair. While i sitting at castro, one of the waiter sit next to me and strike a conversation with me. We chat a bit before i went to toyboy to hang out there, and see if there's anyone id like. As i passed copa, i didnt see anyone outside to ask about the other masseurs my guy recommended, so i message my guy, and he called me (a first phone call from boys, who is confident enough to talk by phone in english!) And i told him i want to take him instead, for tomorrow night and he was elated! At toyboy, similar number of boys as yesterday but i dont see the hunk that i bought the drink yesterday. Maybe he didnt come yet. Again, at least 3-4 guys are definitely not twink, with 2 are muscular but face wise, not really my type. I stay there quite a while, maybe until close to 10pm, and while sitting there, a chinese women from taiwan sat next to me, and started to chat with me. Its her first day and she wants to know whats what. She said she didnt want to take any boys but wants to have fun in the bar. So i told her a bit about buying drinks etc. I asked what kind of boys she is into, she said nerdy lol. And i told her not many boys can converse well, and she said, if they cant chat, its a such a waste. I told her that i might go to see BBB new year show after this and its always full, she said isnt that bar where guys wear shirts instead of in underwear like in toyboys? I said yes, then she said whats the point lol. I totally agrees with her hahaha. Anyway, another group of chinese gays comes in and sit next to her and they were having conversations too, in chinese. I left her there to go to BBB, and who do i see outside on the high table standing alone, the first guy i took short time my first night here. So without wasting anytime, i went to him and start chatting. He said this year party isnt as good as last year. Last year, there was free drinks as well. Anyway, i told him i want to take him long time today. He hesitate a bit but says ok, but asked me if i can wait until bar close at 2am. Since its new years eve and i do plan to hang out at balihai piers for countdown anyway, i said sure. I can come back for him later. Now that i have find a boy, i checked my messages and z909 asked me if i managed to find a boy, and i told him i had just make a deal with a repeat. I am free to go to balihai and invited him to join me. He told me he had just went for a massage and free to go there as well, so we decided to meet there at 11pm or so. I went toward walking street and found that there is just too many people, mostly tourists, that makes walking there is almost impossible. Maybe they should change the street to standing street instead lol. So i decides to took a longer path along second road instead, and advice z909 to do the same. I took the road that leads to the end of walking street towards balihai, crowd is still thick but at least its moving lol. I went all the way to the pier, passing a bit and hear the concert, but i saw people has already settled down near the pier and along the walkway near the beach to eat/drink and nap. So i decided i need to find a place for me and z909 to sit/stand to enjoy the fireworks before the place is taken up and no space for us anymore. So i didnt go towars the concert and find a spot at the rock next to the beach instead and wait there, taking in the scene and people watching. I texted z909 my location and gave some description to my whereabout, hoping itll be enough for him to find me among the thousands of people already here. Z909 manage to find me without much trouble, and i waved him when he is near. He had trouble to cross over the many people who already laid down their mats but no issues with them letting him get through. We sat on the rock and chat. He said last year he watch the fireworks from hotels, and makes remarks that there used to be tonnes of latern flying as well before, but tonight i can only see 3-4 of them from the distance. When its about time, somehow the firework when of earlier, and at exactly 12, the fireworks gets a mini finale like, before the firework gets much more dynamic. It lasted around 10min, took a video but the eye sore of a building really blocked our view a bit. Still a great show for me, not as grand as in other big cities but good enough. We walked back towards BT using second road, and andy said goodbye when we reach beach road. I made my way to BT again and i saw him, the toyboy hunk outside the bar, and he recognized me and smile as i also smile and says and wave. But i already have a deal with a different boy so i go to boys music, where all BBB boys will move after midnight. I order a drink and watch the show here to pass time until 2am. The show today have some similarity with BBB show but without any of the obscene part (no penis is showing). The callisthenic shows got a raving shriek from customers at the front, and people are tipping them lavishly. Some of the popular ones mustve gotten much more than a long time fee in tips alone. And i also sees mamasan throwing bunch of 20s/100s baht and the boys will rush to collect them. Its a really happening days for the boys and the performers. There is also one show, where one of the femal customer being serenade by the muscular callinsthenic performers on stage, and i wonder how much did the girl pay to be there. At the back, there are 3 vips, who open bottles on three different tables, and many boys comes and sit with them for the drinks and tips. Probably the 3 owners? Or high rollers customers of the year? Haha. There is also now a ladyboy/drag lipsync shows, and a bollywood choreograph number as well, and coincendently there are some indians customers there too. I saw one guy i recalled being reviewed in this forum, and called him for a drink with me, and asked if he can come to me tomorrow afternoon, he said yes he can. Im set up for boys for the rest of my trip now lol. At close to 2am, i went out to find the boy i had deal with, and saw he is sitting at the table outside. I wave at him and he came to me, bearing a really bad news. He said he already have a customer. He told me i was late (i wasnt) then switch to he didnt know the time and his handphone isnt with him (not my fault). Anyway, long story short, the guy wants him short time, and he rather do that instead of long time, but didnt or couldnt give me a better reason why not especially when he already promised me earlier. Needless to say i was not happy, and i told him that, he even offered if i go short time, he can take me, and nope, u did enough damage, i wont still pay you lol. Alas, its past 2am now and i dont have a boy. I get mamasan to call the other guy who i already made a deal to come to me in the afternoon, trying to see if he can go with me tonight instead. He explains to me why he cant, mamasan told me to take him ST using the room upstairs. I rather have him tomorrow since i am still a bit mad and frankly tired as well from a very full day. But after hearing the explanation of why he dont want to do LT, i am no longer mad at the guy who stood me up. Yes he made a deal and yes he broke it, but he did offered me ST too, but due to his limited english, he cant explain why. The other customer is really easier alternative explanation since if i say yes to ST, he'd with me anyway. So basically, for new year, the boss apparently open the bar until 5-6am. And at 4-5am, there will be lucky draws for boys. All of them who is there, will get a present, just that some prize are more expensive than others. It is for this reason, the boys wont do LT at all tonight. So now i blame my misfortune to miscommunitation and bad timing. Its the worse time to try and get a long time from this bar. And i wouldve known if the boy can speak better english. And i do believe he doesnt know about this when he says yes to me earlier. Anyway, even though i didnt have any boys tonight, i have two boys coming to my hotel tomorrow, so balance has returned to the world again lol. I did try to push my luck to get long time tonight, afternoon boy and a other long time again but i guess the universe is telling me to slow down lol. I went to second road to get a seongthaw, had to wait a bit but managed to get one, and returned to my hotel, feeling very sleepy and tired that i dozed off not long after. Maybe i dont need a long time boy after all for tonight.

I just hope this will in return get more boys, perhaps better than current selections to be interested to go work in a bars, so there will be more eye candy for all.

Isnt one of the reason that sales has been very slow because of the rules about thai owner must be more than 50%?

Not just thai, its an ego thing amongst the riches, and because they are financially stable, and probably dont work hard for those money (be it corruption, inheritance, fortunes gain from being in power, monopoly etc) they can afford to be stubborn. Lowering the rent shows they are desperate for money and could shows to their close community that you are having trouble. The soi twilight impending demise could be the case too. Maybe gentrification is to be blamed too? High rent brings "better" well to do renter?

I still not lose hope though, he is a handsome hunk that i really like lol. Maybe if i come again not during peak season, he would be more willing lol. If i saw him on my first night in thailand, id probably caved lol. The copa masseur is definitely a gem lol, and i didnt feel his service level affected at all by the discount. Eagerness for boy to seek business from you definitely plays part in my decision making.

I prefer not to tell the boys number or name here. Hope u understand.

This brings me back to the time when myanmar military "junta" gov shift to democratic and says they are giving back the gov to the people. However, 51% of the parliamentary seats belongs to the military and no laws can change with majority votes. So unless there is a severe lack of order in the military, they still control the "democratic, election-elect gov". Not sure how much hold does the military have in thailand's future gov.

Actually, guy from copa told me similar thing, he said the guy basically just dont want to do long time. But it is high season, so i guess they know they can always find different customer with that look and body so i can totally understand and made my decision to not off him. The one with copa guy, was purely unintentional. I was going to go to other bars but he seize the opportunity to haggle with me, and he captured me with that effort. As a bonus for me, the bike ride and he can converse really well in english. Very rare that i can have a meaningful chat about other boys, about his fitness routine, about his previous jobs etc. This is the first one this trip that i can have a long chat with. In my previous trip, that guy is DB#44. It was a very fulfilling off physically, emotionally and sexually hahaha.

Tonight is my first official bar hopping lol. I told z909 that i wanted to see bars that ive not visited yet, that means other than BBB and Xboys. So after we pay our bill, we proceed to take a walk along the sois where kawaii boys, xboys, dreamboys and abomb are. In front of cupidol, we saw a small stage being set up and some boys in crazy costumes were chatting there too. We peek into kawaii boys, and only see 4 boys, all slim, had a little chat with z909 and we decided to move along first. We look in dreamboys, and saw they have maybe 8-10 boys and decided to enter and buy a drink and have a seat. Face wise, id probably like 1-2 guys there but body wise, none piqued my interest. We stay there maybe 20min or so then decided to hit a different bar. We passed Abomb and i decided to see inside and saw again similar number and quality like previous day, 2-3 boys no hunky ones in presence. We then walk back to boyztown, passing through second road and enter toy boy. There is around 10 boys on stage and few more waiting to go into rotation, probably 15-20 boys. At least 4-5 bigger frame guy with 2 that is muscular and totally my type body wise although one guy is definitely offing material to me, muscular, fair skin, handsome. He is definitely the star of the bar in my opinion lol. Didnt take long before i called him to sit next to me and buy him a drink. He went backstage to put on jeans but remain shirtless when sitting with me. So we start talking, and i start asking few things as usual and then we end up talking about possible off, he told me his rate, i asked for long time, he says his rate, i said what ill pay. He insist with his rate, and say he wont go for less. I paused for a moment, didnt give him my respond. I asked again if he will go long tine with me, he suddenly said he have customer after this so today cannot. I asked for tomorrow or the day after and he said he has customer take him for whole day the day after, and a regular will come from new year and take him for 4 days. So i am practically left with two choice now, to take him short time, or move on. I decided to move on, told him i wont be offing him unless its long time and excuse him. He asked for tips, i said i already buy you drink and say thank you. I dont know where i get the strength to refuse such a gorgeous specimen lol maybe i wasnt super horny, and we dont really have good chemistry when sitting together (he dont really initiate touching me and keep looking at the stage when talking). Anyway, he wai and goes back on stage and sometimes i saw him go outside. During our conversation, he did told me that he used to work in BBB before. Z909 didnt call any boy and just observed the boy at the stage. I asked him if he is ready to hit a different bar and he said yes. So we go outside, and when in front of copa, i asked the boy there about the muscular masseur i saw yesterday morning, and they say he didnt work today. Owh well. We then walk towards cupidol. I asked z909 about castro bar show, and he says its mainly ladyboy show, which i dont like either so we skipped it. As we get near to cupidol, the music is getting louder and louder, that i have to close my ears. We saw that the stage is now occupied with a lady/ladyboy singer and 4 dancers in a really fancy costumes singing thai songs. There's also tables and chais setup outside on the road spilling from cupidol. We enter cupidol and were given seats close to the door, not prime to have full views of the boys on stage but boys do rotate. As expected, boys here are 100% slim twink and fem type. But there are some good looking one and they are having fun. One particular guy was so perky and jumpy, flirting with one korean guy which i thought was funng lol. We stay here quite a bit, observing the stage and the boys. I see many more farangs here than other bars, and one who looks like the owner, entertaining some customers, probably his friends. Drinks here is the cheapest amongst other bars in BT, and z909 said to me this is how a bar should be hehe. Full house and relaxing time, mamasan leave u alone, and boys all in underwear. Id say one guy do have more of a really fit 6packs body but i dont really fancy his looks, as he is more toward fem, but that body is golden hehe. Its now close to midnight, the music outside is still full blast and we can hear the vibration of the base from inside the bar, particularly bad each time the door is opened. The time is almost midnight now, I asked Z909 if he sees any boy he wanted to off, and he asked me the same. We both dont find anyone we would take that night. Z909 says he is ready to call it a day, and go back to his hotel, and i agree, but was thinking to go back to toy boy for the hunk before, and see if he is still around or be more flexible now. Along the way, i was stopped by one copa masseur, who is muscular and a bit tall, not a bad look and defnitely offing material in my eyes. I stopped and z909 waited for me while i asked him few questions of the usual. He passed my screening agree to long time until 6am, he said his price, i said mine. Cant come to a price id like, so i leave with z909 towards the mouth of the soi and say my goodbye. I dont see the toyboy hunk as i passed toyboy going back into the soi, and passed the copa masseur again, where i just smile. Now i think maybe i should go to xboys, or check abomb again, but then the copa masseur comes to me and gave a slightly reduced price, and i immediately agree to it. I told him my hotel is in jomtien, and he says not to worry, he has a motorcycle and can drive me back to hotel. I think i just hit jackpot hahaha, a tiny one. I finally get to ride a motorcycle with a hunk lol. Its one of the joy id want to experience in thailand and today itll happened. Only caveat is he doesnt have a helmet for me, but i go against my judgement and still ride the bike, hoping he will ride safely, and happy to report he does ride very safely with me. I am still in one piece and able to write this report. We also talk a bit during the ride, since we dont really chat much before. My legs are firmly squeezing his body and from time to time he will carress my legs with his left hand lol. He asked me if he can make a stop to buy fruits. Half a small watermelon, which is cheap. At the room, he asked if we can sit outside first to eat the fruit and chat. The weather is cool at night in jomtien so we sat and chat and eat the fruits together. I mentioned to him about the masseur i met yesterday morning and he said that the masseur is a good friend of his and even suggested me to have a threesome. Ive never done that but i told him if they can fuck each other, i might be willing lol. Anyway, i asked him if he can set me up with that masseur for tomorrow. And he said he will text him. Once done, we move inside. He commented the room is big. We chaf a bit more inside, and then proceed to clean up. He prefer to shower alone, so i go clean up first. And then he goes next. As he undress, i can see all his naked body and boy, i am glad i proceeded to take him. He is probably mid 30s, from thai, issan. Skin light brown, handsome face. The session was hot and he is very passionate and caring about what i want. After the session, we clean up and get on bed, and more chatting. He shows me he used to work as actor for karaoke video clips, and showed me some of the clips, when he was younger lol. His younger self is much more good looking but not muscular, more lean toned. We end up cuddling whole night, and he managed to catch some sleep but i didnt want the night to end, but fell asleep as well for a bit before he woke up close to six, go to toilet to clean up a bit and "woke me up" (i am already awake when he woke up but in lazy mode lol). We say good bye and i paid the tips and went back to bed. I woke up noonish, missing another breakfast lol.

I can echoed this similar opinion. Babe is hot and good looking for sure, but body wise a bit on slimmer side for me. To be fair, if the off fee isnt high and also the tip isnt 5k, id probably off some of them already lol

Actually the picture of nicky shown here is exactly how i see him on my last visit too. For me personally Tam still my preferred model lol. Nicky and even babe (not that it matters since he doesnt go for sex) isnt really my cup of tea.

Id further add to this observation, that there is also stark different between the educated and non educated and between those who born and live in the city vs rural. Its true that working overseas, not just the low salary job but even for doctors, engineers, scientist, are more lucrative in developed nation. I made more working part time no qualification required job in my university year in the states than my first full time degree qualified job after graduating back home. I have several friends who chose to stay and work in the states too.

Yeah, lots of drinking games and orgies lol

Based on videos i see, guys were mostly twink type.

Yes, i heard the same thing and have seen the videos too. You really need some local contact to go there as the police there are trying to clean these places up as they are not entirely legal. Beijing and shenzen are some cities that have these too.

By the way, the two days ive stayed in boyztown's Ambiance, the noise level is hard noticeable, though i stay at the top most level. Both time i came back with boys, reception will offer me popper to buy. Apparently there are some unknown straight tourist or even family actually stayed in ambiance too. When i went down for breakfast with my boy, a family of probably 6-7 indians with kids just entered the restaurant as well, but thankfully they went and sit outside, leaving me and my boy alone inside. I woke up maybe around 11 and pack stuff up and head down, check out and left my luggage at counter. Today i wanted to try one of the massage that is a bit unique, the foam massage at helios (formerly known as blue house). I reached there around 12.15pm but saw not many masseur around. The guy said to come in bit later, around 12.45pm, so i went to tuckom and give a bit of a tour around the shopping center. I went back to helios and saw around 4-5 masseur now, from just 3 before. Not willing to wait longer, i chose one that is most appealing to me, fair skin average slightly meaty short guy, quite cute face. We head upstair to a room that have a waterproof bed, and shower inside. The masseur ask me if i want to shower, i do, then he asked me to wait while he clean up the mattress and prepare the foam. Id say its really fun massage. It starts with lathering my body with bubbles from the soap, with the sponge, then he use his hands to do some sensual strokes. From hands, it moves to arms, and then it was full on body to body. Feels so nice and relaxing and sensual too. Especially if u like to shower with you boy and have fun with water running, this is exactly that and then some lol. Finished up with a hj, while the masseur let me play with his body and finger his ass lol Definitely feels more like an elaborate foreplay rather than massage though, but cant complaint either. After massage is done, we shower together and he help me clean up as well. As i was about to leave, i saw there are now 8-10 masseurs now, 2 of them sit outside having lunch. So id say its better to go after 2pm for more choices of masseur. I returned to ambiance to take my luggage and walk a bit to the front of the school to queue for seongthaw, instead of having rows of seongthaw queuing for customers. The wait was minimal though, less than 10min, and im off to jomtien. Kept checking google map to know when to stop the seongthaw and get off, cross the road and make myself to zing. First impression of the hotel, its really a nice hotel, with nice pools in the middle and surrounded by hotel buildings. I got the room on ground floor in front of the pool. Really spacious room, with living rooms and bed. Big but not enough furniture inside so it looks a bit empty. But the bed was comfortable, roomy bahtroom and spacious living room, well worth the money. I arrived at the hotel close to 3pm. I actually managed to contact two forumers and try to arrange for a meet today. Jimmyjoe contacted me first, and told me he would love to meet and have a chat or do bar hopping tonight, but he will have to check again when he is free to meet. Z909 also replied to my thread and i contacted him later in the evening to meet at boystown bars for chat. We agreed to a meeting at 8.30pm at panorama. I then contacted jimmyjoe about the plan to meet z909, and he says he can meet me earlier at 6pm since he is in jomtien too. We met near the dongtan sign, have a really nice chat watching the not so picturesque sunset, as it was a bit cloudy today. We then walked abit down the jomtien beach to one of the restaurant and have a thai dinner and more chat about bars and boys. It was great to have a conversation with like minded guy lol. At around 7pm or so, we went to jomtien complex and choose a seat at @home bar, with a good view of sunbar in front of us. I recalled the masseur i took from blue hatha in siem reap told me he uses to work in sunbar. We order our drinks and watch as customers and boys/waiter we having conversations and then one guy come to jimmyjoe. He told me this is the boy he has been seeing for a while now in pattaya. He is like his quasi boyfriend already. He introduced me to the boy and tell him our plan for tonight. They were really like a couple and i got a bit flustered lol. Anyway, jimmyjoe told me he might have to take a raincheck tonight, because if he go with us, his mind will only think about the boy. I suggested to take the boys with us to the meeting, he told the boy and all three of us started to make our way to the main street to get a seongthaw. We waited quite a long time to get a seongthaw as most that passed by are already full. I remembered seeing a free concert banner for the new year and it starts today, 30th dec, and that explains why most seongthaw is fulled. After a while, we gave up and took taxi. We alight near sunee plaza, jimmyjoe and the boy give me a quick tour of the area which is still dark, and rather empty, and we emerge out of the wat chai market. We walked and saw rows of buses with tourist groups (mainly chinese) making their way to walking streets. We arrived at panorama a bit late, and met with z909 and order our drinks. More chatting about boys and bars with z909, and he agreed to do a bar hopping with me tonight, and jimmyjoe excused himself as he and the boy went back to sunee to the boy's bar. One side note, i actually forgot that i went for a massage on my first full day in pattaya, right after my visit to sanctuary of truth, before lunch. I asked a forum member for a recommendation of a proper massage place similar to prime and he told me one other forumer suggested chivarome. So i went to the shop near walking street, and had a really nice 2 hour body massage. Only 2 masseur available, i chose a rather stocky one who seems to have stronger hand for massage. The massage was great, not the best but very strong. The massage turns a bit sensual when he massage near my upper thigh especially after i turned. And i dont know if its surprising or not since i am not familar with the place, but the masseur offered me a hj. And i can say his hj skills is one of the best lol. He isnt really my type but i always gets horny and turned on by good massage lol.

I dont know why but some mamasan i really dont mind them sitting next to me. Moonlight and dreamboys mamasan are prime example. The one in xboys, the one that i dont like is long hair ladyboy, definitely past her prime, and dont speak much. The other one thst greeted me are much more perky and fun, even bring his own drink and seat with me, not pressuring me to buy him a drink or buy other boy a drink, or push me to buy another drink for myself. The captain at bbb also great with me. Maybe ive yet to had a really annoying mamasan or i can tolerate more of their bullshit, no idea lol. Regarding boy have to give their cut to certain mamasan, i guess if the mamasan try to push the boy on me, id say that might very well be true and i wont entertain this kind of mamasan. Most of the time, i try to keep mamasan service at minimum. Its the same as with buying stuff at shopping mall, id rather take my own time observing and only call the sales attendant when its time to pay lol

As with many asian languages, google translate did poor job translating. Perhaps they have improve it now. But few times i tried using and cant make sense of some phrases lol

If this happens, ill probably stock up onbaht myself haha. Lets hope it didnt escalate until its not safe to travel there

In this case, the mamasan already planted himself next to me anyway. Apparently ive been made aware that xboys mamasan has reputation of being pushy. I guess if i didnt take a boy, id seen them being pushy, but the other mamasan did keep coming to me to chat and i ignore her lol