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Id further add to this observation, that there is also stark different between the educated and non educated and between those who born and live in the city vs rural. Its true that working overseas, not just the low salary job but even for doctors, engineers, scientist, are more lucrative in developed nation. I made more working part time no qualification required job in my university year in the states than my first full time degree qualified job after graduating back home. I have several friends who chose to stay and work in the states too.

Yeah, lots of drinking games and orgies lol

Based on videos i see, guys were mostly twink type.

Yes, i heard the same thing and have seen the videos too. You really need some local contact to go there as the police there are trying to clean these places up as they are not entirely legal. Beijing and shenzen are some cities that have these too.

By the way, the two days ive stayed in boyztown's Ambiance, the noise level is hard noticeable, though i stay at the top most level. Both time i came back with boys, reception will offer me popper to buy. Apparently there are some unknown straight tourist or even family actually stayed in ambiance too. When i went down for breakfast with my boy, a family of probably 6-7 indians with kids just entered the restaurant as well, but thankfully they went and sit outside, leaving me and my boy alone inside. I woke up maybe around 11 and pack stuff up and head down, check out and left my luggage at counter. Today i wanted to try one of the massage that is a bit unique, the foam massage at helios (formerly known as blue house). I reached there around 12.15pm but saw not many masseur around. The guy said to come in bit later, around 12.45pm, so i went to tuckom and give a bit of a tour around the shopping center. I went back to helios and saw around 4-5 masseur now, from just 3 before. Not willing to wait longer, i chose one that is most appealing to me, fair skin average slightly meaty short guy, quite cute face. We head upstair to a room that have a waterproof bed, and shower inside. The masseur ask me if i want to shower, i do, then he asked me to wait while he clean up the mattress and prepare the foam. Id say its really fun massage. It starts with lathering my body with bubbles from the soap, with the sponge, then he use his hands to do some sensual strokes. From hands, it moves to arms, and then it was full on body to body. Feels so nice and relaxing and sensual too. Especially if u like to shower with you boy and have fun with water running, this is exactly that and then some lol. Finished up with a hj, while the masseur let me play with his body and finger his ass lol Definitely feels more like an elaborate foreplay rather than massage though, but cant complaint either. After massage is done, we shower together and he help me clean up as well. As i was about to leave, i saw there are now 8-10 masseurs now, 2 of them sit outside having lunch. So id say its better to go after 2pm for more choices of masseur. I returned to ambiance to take my luggage and walk a bit to the front of the school to queue for seongthaw, instead of having rows of seongthaw queuing for customers. The wait was minimal though, less than 10min, and im off to jomtien. Kept checking google map to know when to stop the seongthaw and get off, cross the road and make myself to zing. First impression of the hotel, its really a nice hotel, with nice pools in the middle and surrounded by hotel buildings. I got the room on ground floor in front of the pool. Really spacious room, with living rooms and bed. Big but not enough furniture inside so it looks a bit empty. But the bed was comfortable, roomy bahtroom and spacious living room, well worth the money. I arrived at the hotel close to 3pm. I actually managed to contact two forumers and try to arrange for a meet today. Jimmyjoe contacted me first, and told me he would love to meet and have a chat or do bar hopping tonight, but he will have to check again when he is free to meet. Z909 also replied to my thread and i contacted him later in the evening to meet at boystown bars for chat. We agreed to a meeting at 8.30pm at panorama. I then contacted jimmyjoe about the plan to meet z909, and he says he can meet me earlier at 6pm since he is in jomtien too. We met near the dongtan sign, have a really nice chat watching the not so picturesque sunset, as it was a bit cloudy today. We then walked abit down the jomtien beach to one of the restaurant and have a thai dinner and more chat about bars and boys. It was great to have a conversation with like minded guy lol. At around 7pm or so, we went to jomtien complex and choose a seat at @home bar, with a good view of sunbar in front of us. I recalled the masseur i took from blue hatha in siem reap told me he uses to work in sunbar. We order our drinks and watch as customers and boys/waiter we having conversations and then one guy come to jimmyjoe. He told me this is the boy he has been seeing for a while now in pattaya. He is like his quasi boyfriend already. He introduced me to the boy and tell him our plan for tonight. They were really like a couple and i got a bit flustered lol. Anyway, jimmyjoe told me he might have to take a raincheck tonight, because if he go with us, his mind will only think about the boy. I suggested to take the boys with us to the meeting, he told the boy and all three of us started to make our way to the main street to get a seongthaw. We waited quite a long time to get a seongthaw as most that passed by are already full. I remembered seeing a free concert banner for the new year and it starts today, 30th dec, and that explains why most seongthaw is fulled. After a while, we gave up and took taxi. We alight near sunee plaza, jimmyjoe and the boy give me a quick tour of the area which is still dark, and rather empty, and we emerge out of the wat chai market. We walked and saw rows of buses with tourist groups (mainly chinese) making their way to walking streets. We arrived at panorama a bit late, and met with z909 and order our drinks. More chatting about boys and bars with z909, and he agreed to do a bar hopping with me tonight, and jimmyjoe excused himself as he and the boy went back to sunee to the boy's bar. One side note, i actually forgot that i went for a massage on my first full day in pattaya, right after my visit to sanctuary of truth, before lunch. I asked a forum member for a recommendation of a proper massage place similar to prime and he told me one other forumer suggested chivarome. So i went to the shop near walking street, and had a really nice 2 hour body massage. Only 2 masseur available, i chose a rather stocky one who seems to have stronger hand for massage. The massage was great, not the best but very strong. The massage turns a bit sensual when he massage near my upper thigh especially after i turned. And i dont know if its surprising or not since i am not familar with the place, but the masseur offered me a hj. And i can say his hj skills is one of the best lol. He isnt really my type but i always gets horny and turned on by good massage lol.

I dont know why but some mamasan i really dont mind them sitting next to me. Moonlight and dreamboys mamasan are prime example. The one in xboys, the one that i dont like is long hair ladyboy, definitely past her prime, and dont speak much. The other one thst greeted me are much more perky and fun, even bring his own drink and seat with me, not pressuring me to buy him a drink or buy other boy a drink, or push me to buy another drink for myself. The captain at bbb also great with me. Maybe ive yet to had a really annoying mamasan or i can tolerate more of their bullshit, no idea lol. Regarding boy have to give their cut to certain mamasan, i guess if the mamasan try to push the boy on me, id say that might very well be true and i wont entertain this kind of mamasan. Most of the time, i try to keep mamasan service at minimum. Its the same as with buying stuff at shopping mall, id rather take my own time observing and only call the sales attendant when its time to pay lol

As with many asian languages, google translate did poor job translating. Perhaps they have improve it now. But few times i tried using and cant make sense of some phrases lol

If this happens, ill probably stock up onbaht myself haha. Lets hope it didnt escalate until its not safe to travel there

In this case, the mamasan already planted himself next to me anyway. Apparently ive been made aware that xboys mamasan has reputation of being pushy. I guess if i didnt take a boy, id seen them being pushy, but the other mamasan did keep coming to me to chat and i ignore her lol

Have been checking abomb few times this trips, twice or more each night im in boystown, and saw the same 2-3 guys not my type. My guess is those hunky guys mustve been grabbed when they show up? Have you visited A-bomb recently, after my report? Would love to see or hear about if those hunky guys are still in A-bomb.

I went down to boyztown quite early today. It has been raining since my lunch time, in episodes of drizzle that has been an off and on few times. I waited for the rain to calm down before i go down, and its easy to check from ambiance terrace. Even saw tables being removed from the rain, and then set up back again which is a que for me to head down, around 8:40pm. Having thought that i missed the BBB parade yesterday, i should be able to catch it tonight. I set myself down on a table in at panorama, ordered a drink and wait while watching boys arriving to their bars. I waited and waited and 9pm passed by, still no parade. After a bit more of wait, i decided that there wont be any parade. Since its still to early to just head to bar, i made a quick walk around the three sois and made a peak in few of the bars, abomb (only 2 boys not my type), kawaii, 4-5 boys, xboys-again greeted enthusiastically by all boys and mamasan when the door is open, so i have very brief look, and then excuse myself lol. Also looked copa/scandic and ambiance guys, some muscular guys. I actually saw one guy in the morning before my visit to sanctuary of truth, quite muscular guy and someone mentioned is their trip report before about this guy. In the morning, i told the guy i would come back in the evening to take him, but i didnt pay or anything, just in passi ng, which can easily meant as a way to say no. Anyway, i didnt see him tonight, so i asked the copa guy if the masseur is around, amd they say he already went back. Ahh, a missed opportunity. Anyway, since i really like BBB shows, i went to BBB again tonight, both for the shows, and just observing the guy i tool yesterday and maybe look for a different boy to off. Shows have similar calistenic and bbboys routines but there are variations to the choreography and boys who perform. I see some familar face and some new ones performing. Other shows have little variation other than some show boys is not the same as yesterday. It is full house again, and i get a better seat today with unobstructed view. The guy i took yesterday didnt really see me, but he was called to sit with a female customer, who are with another female and one gay friend. Three of them each have a boy sitting with them, unfortunately sitting in front of me, giving full view of the guy i lust for yesterday entertaining another customer. Yesterday, he told me he didnt like show. And yet today, he stays with the girl for the whole freaking show lol. Owh well reality sucks when it is presented in front of you haha. While i fully know some or most of the guys i like are usually straight, its still not nice to see the different treatment in front of you lol. I stay focus on the show though and after the show ended, their group left, either to other bar or club or back to their hotel, i couldnt care less lol The other guy i like yesterday and had the opportunity to shake and tip during big cock show didnt come to my side to collect tips this time. But before i left and show boys start to move to boyz music, he walked next to me and i stopped him a bit, to asked him for a potential off, asked his role, and if he do long time and he says he didnt do long time, so i gave him a pass. Anyway, the night is still young, close to midnight and i still didnt have a boy, walked out, scan again the massage area, no guy id take, but saw one good looking masseur at copa, and thought he is the guy that might be reported also here that demanded the high price. While his face is definitely model like, his body isnt as impressive as id like, especially if i am expected to pay high price. And i recalled that xboys have a late show. So i made my way there, peaking one more time at abomb, no improvement, and then to xboys, same treatment but this time i finally stepped in. There are already some customer inside, maybe 8-10, and 8-10 boys are on stage, two boys with customers. Mamasan shows me in and i choose my seats in front row. Got my drink and mamasan sit next to me asking if i like any boys. I take a look carefully at the boys on stage, most of them too skinny for me, one twink with muscles, but looks slightly older, one average body hairy guy and one guy who looks beefy, short but have a bit tummy but very good looking face. Out of the whole lot, the last guy is probably the top of my list. Mamasan come to me few more time, and since the night is getting late, i looked again at the beefy guy and saw him smiling at me. Well that smile deserve at least a drink lol. So i told mamasan to call him down, and the boys and bars cheers lol. Sitting with me, i started to chat him up and went through my standard questions. Agreed with most of my request, didnt take long for me to off him, and got another cheer lol. Boys on stage are dancing while on rotation and having fun. Some come to me and trying to tease me and my guy of the day/night. One even asked if i am top of bottom using hand signal, and i replied cheekily combining the two signal and got a laugh haha. I asked if the late show will be held, after mamasan checking with boys who do the show, and i guess for my sake for asking, they says show will be on. There are only 3-4 other customer now. Shows was entertaining, my guy sitting next to me, in my embrace. I asked if he kiss and a kiss was planted on my lips. At one point he recorded a show, basically a routine where the guy wears led/neon tubes and dance, solo. My guy said he did the show before i came, and show me the video, where two of them doing the show together. He didnt do the show since i already off him and chose to stay with me. I like this guy more and more, another regular guy i wont even bat an eye if he is in bbb, but being in this bar this late, my standard drops but it also leads to finding a guy who are really a joy to be with, but still as cuddly. The mamasan who toom my order also do one drag lipsync show, which i dont dislike lol. So after show is finished, i told my guy that we should get going. Tip mamasan and on the way out, the other mamasan, one who had been coming to my seat even after i already have a boy, because i am happy with my guy, by no help from her, i give her small tips, and she was very2 happy to get that tip. Maybe i should just not give her anything, but im feeling generous, especially the agreed tip with my guy is actually pattaya standard and not the inflated muscle boy peak season pricing lol back at hotel, my guy said he like the room, we chatted a bit, he got passable english for basic conversation but nothing further. He is thai from chiang mai, and been working in xboy for 7month. Service was good, and very huggable and handsome in bed too, i dont sleep much that night too lol. We had another light session in the morning too. We had lunch at ambiance restaurant downstair in the morning and i only realize he had been talking some chinese phrases in the room which i mistook as thai. Because when we were chatting during breakfast, he tried to google translate something and then show me the translation and its in romanized chinese lol. I told him i dont speak chinese and only speak english. Another successful long time off, and i head back to my room to sleep a bit before checking out today.

When i was in bkk during christmas time, the line for anything really is bad. Regular chaophraya tourist boat didnt or no longer stop at icon siam, there is sign saying people need to take icon siam shuttle boat instead and two different location, only remember one of them is saphan thaksin. It might be temporary during end of year. I also gave up going due to the queue, but after reading here, i shouldve just go lol. owh well, another reason for next visit huh?

Not overthinking stuff, others cultures pique my interest. Love to learn about cultures especially i love the people so much lol

Today ill be doing some tourist stuff during the day. My first stop is sanctuary of truth.ive googled and read that seongthaw didnt go there so i try to get a motorsai. Ive read one thread before with members telling how dangerous a motorsai ride is in pattaya, so i am not so sure if i want a motorsai or took taxi initially. However, not long after my walk, not even reach royal garden plaza, a motorsai stopped to drop a customer and i saw the rider is a 40-50 year old women. I guess my prejudgement kicks in and tells me if anyone would be a safe motorsai rider, itll be this one and i was right. The ride to the sanctuary of truth was a breeze and very comfortable with no near misses lol. I did have to haggle a bit and we landed on a price for a return trip. When i arrived at the location, bought the ticket (500 baht). There are several package of tickets combines with several other attraction (boat rides etc) but it didnt interest me one bit. The temple itself is very impressive, made totally of woods carving and it is massive indeed. Its definitely worth the ticket price, but one time visit is probably enough to see the whole thing. One of the highlight is the lift for disable and elderly, beautifully masked by wooden carving, making it looks like a very old style man powered lift lol. Worth to note also is the workshop area where u can see some of the woods carving still being produced/restored. I spend around an hour or so and then make my way back to south pattaya for lunch. After lunch, i went back to hotel to cool down, and went out around 4pm to another tourist attraction, ripley's believe it or not museum. I use my musepass for free entrance to the museum, but there are other attractions here that might be worth a visit. Ticket price without musepass is around 600 baht, so i already made back my money worth (thanks to christianpfc for the recommendation). Its my first visit to a ripley's museum, and ive been watching the tv shows a lot when i was a kid, so this museum is definitely a worthwhile trip if you are into this kind of weird, creepy stuff lol. I toured the shopping mall after and then made my way back toward walking street to have dinner. Went back to hotel after dinner to rest and get ready for my bar visit tonight. On a side note, i have tried to made some contact from the forum and arrange a meet in pattaya. Its my first time here and it wasnt planned ahead of time, plus i dont take note about members in the forum who are usually in pattaya as my previous focus are mostly bangkok. So i made a dedicated thread asking for anyone who like to meet. Happy to report, i met two forumers that will be in this report soon. Also included few pictures from the tourist visits. Another side notes, while touring the floor where the museum is, there is a display (pic) that says see how the black hole works. Its bacially a cone shape with the radius getting smaller the closer u are to the gravitational singularity (the center). And how do you do it? Roll a coin, thats right, your precious coins, along the diameter and watch your coins slowly consumed by the black hole. At first i thought, who would be stupid enough to do this, and not long after that some one did lol 3 times haha. The sign should say watch how we collect money from the stupid. Hehe. Kidding aside, i am amazed at how people think of ways to squeeze moeny from other people lol

Id never write off the bar. Went there twice and will go there again, their boys selection usually suit my taste, though other bars like moonlight, jupiter are catching up too. Tawan had definitely been a disappointment on my last trip though, but still wont give up that bar too lol

I guess visit to the club (all expense paid) and hanging out with friends in a hotel room is enough excitement for some boys. As babe dont really go out with customer for sex anyway (jury is still out there, havent read anyone off him for sex yet), he is definitely not your regular money boy. Dunno why im not really attracted to this beautiful perfect specimen of a thai guy lol. Maybe too pretty? His body is gorgeous though.

I guess guys we took dont really use that na word. Is it have something to do with them being the manly type? Like you, i like my guys in the 30s, so thats why i think it has something to do with age, similar to korean.

Since i didnt catch anyone using that when talking to me, does that mean they are not polite with me? Hahaha granted guys i took most dont speak good enough english, the two that actually speak really good english last trip didnt use any. But they are both slightly older age than me lol.

Glad to write a first timer report! I still consider myself quite new to thailand, so many places (especially massage places) that i havent visit yet. Dreamboys had been my favorite bar, though i only took one guy on my last trip. One of the joy seeing the show is having a guy u like sitting next to you during the show and they started to fill you in about who is their friend, who only go with women etc. I actually dont like hanging out in bars, and only there for the boys and boys in the show. Sad to hear their shows isnt as good anymore, especially only older guys do the shows. I guess many of their former stars have been poached by other bars. On my first trip to dream boys, i landed a guy that i took again for five times in two trips lol. Part of the show i didnt even see, since my eyes were fixed on that guy who is working out at the gym area. Summon my courage to first go to the toilet next to the gym area to have a closer look, gave him a smile, went in the toilet, and came back out and give him a tips and got a shocked face from him, a smile and wai after that and back to my seat lol not long after, i called mamasan to call him for a drink. We talked a bit and didnt take me long before offing him, my first off from dreamboys. The rest is history lol. I covered about him quite a lot on my previous trip report but sadly on my last trip, he said he stopped working in bar and was not in bangkok when i go there. Miss him dearly.

I had to google mai pen rai after reading your post, ive seen it being mentioned several time but somehow none of the thai i took use it or they dont use it to me, or i simply didnt catch when they say it to me. Also rarely do i get thai using ending na at the end lol. Is it because im not as old, coz i come to understand ending with na is a polite way to say things to elderly?. Anyway, just want to say mai pen rai is somehow similarly used in malay culture as well. We say no as a polite way to not give troubles to host, but host will always insist on doing it anyway. Like if u visit someone, the custome is to serve drinks and snacks or food depending on time of visit, but visitors will always refuse saying its alright, u dont have to, we just ate etc. But the host will serve it anyway and we will eat or drink it anyway lol. Meanwhile, visiting someone house in the states for example, if they asked if we want a drink and we say no its alright, you wont get a drink lol.

I enjoy reading your trip reports as well. Some of the information will definitely helped me on my own next visit. Im really bad at planning my trips ahead of time unless i travel with friends and most of the time, they decided on the dates. Thinking to do quick trips (3 days at a time) but more frequent.

Lol. Shouldve gone to this place too during my trip haha.

Did the boy steals or force the farang to give him the money or the farang willingly gives the money to the boy?

Given our age is very different, maybe not twin haha. Brother or son? Lol

I sometimes think back on the way i spent on boys and never regret it. Its easy for the boy to extra money off me if they want to, i am a bit weak hearted especially when i can afford it. I think i did ok in terms of finance in my country but compared to many farangs, what i have is probably peanuts lol. I made nore money working part time in the states during my study then what i made full time as my first job back home. But everything else here, with exception of few ridiculously hjgh tax items, are very cheap, that i dont have to struggle with money ever since i started working. Granted i am very frugal on spending in about everything else other than boys haha.