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After years of being on this forum - membership being surely one of the pleasures of life - I reckon there are four "desires" among those of us looking for paid hookups. 1. A simulacrum of romance (possibly leading to a real relationship); 2. Quickie sex; 3. Quickie sex Latin American style, otherwise known as being pounded to injury by donkey dongs; 4. Massage with erotic finish. If (1) is not a priority, longtime might not make any sense. Personally, (4) is my top priority followed by (2), so I don't miss not doing longtime.

That's my interpretation too, but nowadays, that's purely theoretical. I don't do long time anymore. I don't sleep well with a stranger in my bed and past a certain age, the self- inflicted expectation to have to cum again in the morning, a mere 6-7 hours after the last "episode", is more like a chore.

The patent on Cialis and tadalafil expired about 7-8 years ago. In Thailand, indian-made generic, branded as Apcalis, is widely available from just about any shop that also sells Sidegra. About 300 baht per box of 4 tablets, if I recall correctly.

Not always a good idea. I have heard this story from Vietnam: A young son back from the US launched a new business, partly funded by his parents. The business did well and expanded, and he hired a cousin to manage one of his new branches. The cousin began to misappropriate some money every month, but not so much that it would sink the business. Nonetheless, it was intolerable for the young entrepreneur, who obviously wanted to fire the cousin. However, his parents persuaded him to keep the cousin on, because firing that guy would cause a rift in the family. So, for months (years?) the cousin had free rein to the till. As often happens in such cases, he took more and more, but still the parents were against firing him. Finally, the cousin's mother died andwith that, the question of family rift became moot (I think the cousin's mother was the sister of the entrepreneur's mother) and so the cousin was sacked. By then however, he must have taken a lot of money. The expiry date is clearly printed on the Sidegra box. Easily checked before purchase even if buying from a small pharmacy.

Interesting that you added this remark. I was thinking the same thing. Although Fresh Boy and Dream Boy get far more customers than Hotmale, when I look back at the offs that I have taken, I believe I have taken more from Hotmale than the other bars. I like the selection at Moonlight too but what puts me off with that bar are the uncomfortable seats and the pushy mamasans that sit with you. So, I have not been into Moonlight for maybe 2 years now. Having their boys wearing clothes on stage didn't help at all!

But later on, you said you returned "the same way" which I read as by cable car. Which should have brought you back to the southern end of the island. However, you said you ended up at the replica Venice.... Did I miss something?

+1 Somewhere there I can see a charge of parental abuse being made out.

You said super hot, and then leave us with this last line. That's a cruel teaser 😂

It is true, as @daydreamer says, that you can get Sidegra for 180 baht per box of 4 tabs x 100mg at Chula MD, but I prefer to purchase from the shop next door whose Thai signboard looks like "ennuv" to me. It's visible in the photo above. I think "ennuv" charges more though, but not by much. What I didn't quite like about Chula MD on my one and only visit were 2 things: it was very busy with a lot of thai customers and secondly, a rather bureaucratic process. Their counters have a queue system. You have to take a numbered ticket. Then payment has to be made at a separate counter. Can't remember exactly but I think I had to go to a third counter to pick up the purchase. At the smaller ennuv shop, you're likely to be the only customer and you get the full attention of whoever is serving you. You're not sent here and there.

Despite being under new ownership & management, Hotmale hasn't launched any marketing campaign as far as I can see. They might not even have thought to take over the login credentials to their Facebook page and other social media, because the last post on Facebook was in January before the sale. They are still operating the same business model as before, and somehow hoping that business will turn around by itself. There is one notable change, however, and it is that the long red pants are gone. The boys now wear white, short shorts and sneakers. All barebodied unlike before when many had singlets in addition to the red pants. There's been some refreshing of the show, but it's not much of a stand-out. Hotmale's boys (on average) have always been a bit better looking than Fresh Boy or Dream Boy, in my experience, and this remains the case.

I heard that on a per-kilometre basis, cargo had the best rates. But I gave it a miss because I also heard there were no toilets in cargo.

What caught my eye on the frightul "standing seats" (what an oxymoron!) was the logo on the headrest. It looked like an invitation to insert something (with a distinct head) into a snug sleeve.

I forgot to mention the waiter didn't just hold the plate in a passive way. He would have to run a bit and leap into the air acrobatically to catch the flying vegetables, much like a tennis player would respond to an incoming ball. In all probability, they must have missed some, landing on the road, on somebody's car, on a songtaew's windscreen or on a motorcyclist's face. None of that must have gone down well with whoever it was who received the burning hot ball of vegetables. But I think what ended the acrobatics was the increasingly heavy traffic on Second Road. It must have become too risky for the waiter to run about or leap into the air to catch the food.

That is a very famous restaurant. It used to have the English name Flying Vegetables. Possibly the old signboard might still be hanging somewhere, though people might wonder why such a name. Old timers will know why. Vegetables literally flew. They had a unqiue display where, when your dish was fully cooked in the wok, the cook would, with a muscular swing of his arm, toss your food across to the other side of Second Road, flying above the cars and songtaews, there to be caught by a waiter with a plate in hand. Then the plate would be brought to your table. I've seen this acrobatic act a few times and always marvelled at how expert both the cooks and waiters were. Not once did they miss.

There are valid business reasons for this. Off the top of my head, I can think of three: 1. The owner/management of the bar(s) have decided that their business is to sell drinks and little else. They might also not want to fall afoul of prostitution laws. They want the hosts/hostesses to be present in the bar throughout the opening hours so that the bar benefits from the drinks they push onto customers. Either the bar then bans offing (like Dragon and Koi) or puts up a prohibitively high charge to strongly discourage it. The prohibitively high charge isn't only for customers; it also applies to any staff member who asks to leave the shift early. 2. The owner/management of the bar(s) have decided that their business is to sell drinks but are not averse to offing. However, customer traffic and drink sales are robust and the off fee (or bar fine) is set at a rate that properly compensates for drink sales forgone should a staff member be taken out of the premises. Can drink sales be as high as 4K? I don't know because I am not much of a drinker, and I don't go to places where the main objective of customers is to get drunk. But I can imagine that in some high traffic bars catering to customers with either high income or crazy spending habits, a host/hostess can be expected to sell at least two bottles of whisky at 2,000 baht each a night. 3. The third possible reason is boy-centred (or girl-centred). It may be that the bar wants to be an attractive place to work for boys (or girls) who really do not want to be taken off and then be expected to provide sex. I'm sure we can imagine that there are lots of people who draw the line at that. By instituting a policy of a prohibitive off fee (or bar fine), the management signals to potential employees that selling sex is not part of the job description. While it is true that even with a lower off fee, boys can always refuse to follow a customer out, each refusal is always going to be a difficult moment to manage, and the bar may fear that too many refusals create a bad brand image for themselves. So rather than create a situation where customers ask for an off and then be rejected, a high off fee deters customers from even asking, thus reducing the number of awkward moments.

Looking at how nice the space is, with its sturdy structures, much investment seems to have gone into this project. It is also possible that the Thai education system, using the Thai language rather than Burmese, is totally unsuitable for children of this community. So even if there is that option, would it be the best solution?

It's here: https://shamelessmacktwo.travel.blog/2024/01/05/but-wheres-the-tool/ Later reviews report almost the same format, so it doesn't seem to have changed. I'm glad because it's nice to see a business succeed, or at least be sustainable. What I am intrigued about is their private dance option. What exactly is included? How many minutes? How much 1000 baht / 2000 baht? If it's the latter, it's too much. I could get a bar boy in my arms (and groin) for that price.

Please make sure your insurance policy is in order before you try pole dancing with those hunks.

I think I know what "piggy bank" is - glory holes, but is "the cage"? Also interesting is that there is scrub room on the Level 1. Might there be a scrub service as is commonly found in traditional Chinese bathhouses? Hmmm....

At first I couldn't make sense of the Google Translate of this Facebook post: https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1FrimYUehA/ However, it sounded serious, so I searched a bit and found a more intelligible account: https://mothership.sg/2025/03/thai-couple-wrong-luggage-cannabis-inside/

Their entry prices can be see on their instagram poster: There's a 100 baht discount for the month of March, but otherwise entry will be 400/600 baht. The notable thing about the poster is the fact that it is in English and Chinese. No Thai. My guess, going by its choice of location and language, is that its target market may be the East Asian tourists that have some free time in the evenings before going to Silom Soi 2 to dance the night away. Another thing I noticed after clicking the Google Map link provided by @ichigo, is the way it declares itself as "LGBTQ+ friendly". This is kind of careless language that one often sees in Thailand, where "LGBTQ+" is used loosely, maybe because they somehow think "katoey" or "gay" is perjorative. It is misleading advertising. The place is for men. It says so on their same instagram homepage (https://www.instagram.com/10saunabkk/) : The newest Queer-Owned and Operated Private Man’s Sauna and Social Club. They would have no problem if a straight guy went in. They wouldn't even know he's straight, and anyway he could be anywhere on the bisexuality spectrum. But I can see 1/0 Sauna denying entry to a bunch of nine lesbians demanding admission. They shouldn't say "LGBTQ+ friendly" when they are not.

@bkkmfj2648 has your boyfriend ever travelled outside Thailand before? If not, he may be in for a culture shock food-wise. I have seen this again and again with first-time travellers from India, China and Indonesia. They have only ever taken their local food all their lives, they find farang food near-inedible. They might manage to tolerate it for 3 - 4 days, but by about the 5th day, the craving for home food becomes so intense, they lose all interest in anything else about the place they are visitng. It's like withdrawal symptoms. I didn't witness it myself but I heard a story of a gwailo guy then resident in Hong Kong, who took a Thai boy to stay with him for, I think, a couple of weeks. The boy became irritable after a few days because he just needed spicy Thai food which was hard to find - at least in the neighbourhood the gwailo lived. The boy had no interest in sex and just wanted to go home. If your boy has not been outside Thailand before and don't know what to expect, maybe you can take him to Vietnamese restuarants around Pattaya in the coming month, and make sure you order dishes NON-SPICY. Oh yes, I now remember one time: a bunch of Indians and Arabs (can't remember which country) at the same business conference as I was, in a secondary city in China. They couldn't find anything to eat for the better part of 3 days. Everything was unfamiliar: too soupy, too gooey and too pork-y. They were starving. Finally they managed to find western-style bread from a nearby shop (Chinese-style bread is totally different) and that's what they ate for days.

Good point! I think this will come so fast, we will live to see what happens.

Not travelling. Sitting in front of their computers. There was a recent remark somewhere in the Santo Domingo forum that came out of a request to share the contact details of escorts that a forum member had met during a trip. The member, while saying it would be unethical, also added his opinion that 90% of these chaps asking for contact details aren't interested in actually going to Santo Domingo and hiring; instead these requesters.... OK, I can't remember what exactly he said, but it wasn't flattering.

This indeed is almost surely the business decision the owners made. They might have looked at the host bar scene in Japan where there is a huge industry of boys playing entertainers and male-believe boyfriends to female customers. There, the focus is to give the female customers the illusion/fantasy of romance and love, not sex, and since fantasy is more easily birthed out of an alcoholic dream-state, this synergy with drink sales is great for business. If, at BoyzBoyzBoyz, an off-fee of 1050 baht deters offs, so be it. Note: romance and love does not require the shedding of clothes. In fact, undressing may be seen as threatening to females, being a bit too close to the idea of rape. I posted this video on ShamelessMack last year, giving you a glimpse into this world of host bars for women. I will post it here again. At 2 mnutes 24 seconds, the host boy says "Our job is to sell happiness to the girls". Women are essentially different from men. Happiness is more in the realm of romance; not sex. Note too how the boys in these Japanese bars dress. This might also have been the miscalculation the female owner of Moonlight (and former owner of Hotmale) made. Being female, she might have imagined the desires of gay male customers to somehow mirror the same desires that straight females bring to host bars. The result: too many boys in these bars have shirts and all wear pants. A related thought comes to mind: gay men themselves are part of the problem. Too many are satisfied with just the visual - looking at beautiful men (note: beauty is highly subjective). Is this a result of a generation raised in the age of the internet? There seems to be a lower demand for action, by comparison: witness the decline of saunas and cruising grounds. No amount of Grindr etc can replicate the orgiastic festivals in these locales, feeling up hard, horny bodies in darkrooms, sight unseen, that a former generation enjoyed. I am reminded of a Youtube video I watched not long ago about the whole phenomenon of straight British "lads" doing Onlyfans. The most successful of them, Andy Lee, set up a "Porn Stars University" where he teaches other straight guys to do video porn. The thing is, these guys are mostly just jerking off, maybe some fellatio on each other. They hardly ever touch each other, they all say they don't do full-on action. And yet, they make tens of thousands of Pounds. From who? From gay men watching and subscribing. If this is the new social/commercial dynamic of straight men serving the low-expectations of gay men, and still be very profitable, why bother to go beyond and provide full- on services at places like BoyzBoyzBoyz? Heck, they don't even need to provide full-on sex on screen.