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Thank you, you understand perfectly. I am enjoying this conversation that opens to me new venues of thinking about paid sex.  Not that I will rush and spend my income on boys, but I like to recognize the good in the actions of people, here in this particular exchange of services.

I realize that for some individuals who buy their sex,  sex is something that has a price attached, like 1000 ST or 2000 LT for a good quality boy, and so as the price gets lower, the quality gets lower too.  If the price goes town to zero, so it happens with the quality, and this is what one gets for "free sex".    
 
But for some of us, "free sex" is simply the natural non-commercial interaction with a person one is sexually attracted to, and "non commercial" can be great too!!    
In my long experience with picking up guys, visiting gay saunas in multiple countries, from casual acts to short romances since the early days, the idea that all that sex was "free" never crossed my mind.  Of course,  I always have been and plan to be "free sex" myself.  I have never set a price for my body, haha.
 
Some of my "free sex" even you with your high standards would find attractive.  

This hairy old farang was standing alone in a packed DJ Station last Saturday night. A very slim, cute guy was dancing alone near me. I admired his dancing, smiled amd he ran over and hugged and kissed me. I was in the mood for fun and he acted like a typical mb looking for a customer and I was happy to pay if required. He still had his two drink tickets and brought me a Heineken which was a bit unusual if he was a mb. That stopped me asking "how much" and we went back to my room, had a nice chat and some great fun.  
I had my wallet ready and happy to pay but a little cautious because I have met a few guys who were not money boys over the years at DJ. Before I offered he said "I not mb but can you please pay taxi home" No problem.

On this topic I'm seeing some of the most convoluted, ridiculous justifications for being cheap and stingy with the boys.  What are some of these people coming to Thailand for in the first place?  To have sex while they're here as often as possible at the cheapest price possible - and then try to come up with justifications for doing that?
 
I have yet to see anything I would consider a valid analogy or justification for taking a boy for sex and then handing over 400 or 500 baht.  They probably don't even give the boy taxi fare to go back to his room.  Unfortunately, no argument is going to change the attitude of the Cheap Charlies.
 
Ok, you come here for a two week holiday.  You have sex every day for 400 baht.  At the end of two weeks you've spent 5600 baht - the equivelent of about US $160.  Meanwhile, if instead you've given 1000 baht every day, at the end of two weeks you've spent 14000 baht for sex - the equivalent of about US $400.
 
Congratulations cheapskates.  You saved the equivalent of about US $240.  Now you can return home, have a couple steak dinners and fill your car's gas tank a couple of times - all on the boys.  You must be really proud of that and feeling really good about yourself.

I do, and I totally agree with you. Someone here (ay709394) doesn't understand the concept of "taking advantage of people" or "exploiting" them. While it is true that in the actual situation being offered too low a tip he has the choice to refuse. But that's beside the point. He is in this business because he and his family are in a precarious economic situation and need to get by somehow, with "normal" jobs hard to get as firecat correctly pointed out. That "choice" is a mirage. Taking advantage means taking advantage of the dire economic situation of the boy who may feel compelled to accept a very low tip because otherwise he risks getting nothing (in slow season). By that same "choice" token you could say poor people in sweat shops in Bangladesh under hideous conditions do not have to work there but have a choice not to accept a job there. Well, they don't.

I do, and I totally agree with you. Someone here (ay709394) doesn't understand the concept of "taking advantage of people" or "exploiting" them. While it is true that in the actual situation being offered too low a tip he has the choice to refuse. But that's beside the point. He is in this business because he and his family are in a precarious economic situation and need to get by somehow, with "normal" jobs hard to get as firecat correctly pointed out. That "choice" is a mirage. Taking advantage means taking advantage of the dire economic situation of the boy who may feel compelled to accept a very low tip because otherwise he risks getting nothing (in slow season). By that same "choice" token you could say poor people in sweat shops in Bangladesh under hideous conditions do not have to work there but have a choice not to accept a job there. Well, they don't.

Yes and I don't blame the boys . Just like if you pay one boy something , all the boy will know what you paid.
 
But again there is that sentence that seems to get repeated . Boy can say no to 400 just like customer can say no to 3000.
 
Is there really anyone that does not understand the difference. I have said no to many boys and moved along because i Have many choices.
 
If the Boy says no , he is not sure when another might offer him the fair amount. Yes if the rent is not due or the stomach is not empty , he can say no but if this is not the case he may have to say yes.
 
His choices are minuscule and can be based on desperation. The customer can jerk off and he should before insulting a boy with an offer of 400 baht.
 
 
Good news is the businesses on Walking street are starting to hire for October and my friend got a job today and will start a week from Monday.
 
So now he can definitely tell the cheap pricks to Fuck Off which I am happy to say to anyone who wants to justify offering 400 baht.

Ha, ha, that was just my sense of humor at work hyping this forum. 

answering the original post's question:
I realized I have been registered for quite a long time (since 8/2011), guess I did that because I thought it might be something like an Asian version of Romeo or something like that. Or an information website like travelgayasia.com. For sure it was not because this it "the best forum on gay life in Thailand", as this is not really about "gay life in Thailand" at all, but about commercial gay life, which is not the focus of my interest. I have participated (and still do) in non-commercial gay life in Thailand for 15 years, but still have some interest in the commercial side, too (out of horniness or convenience or whatever), so after I moved here I somehow started to read more often, sometimes post and then that became more regular. I have seen those bars ad shows on my first visits to BKK, but never been back, and in fact have never offed a boy form a bar or massage parlor (which is not to say I have never paid for sex hehe). But it is interesting to read reports and get updates on this scene, which is sometimes useful if I show curious friends around who are first-timers here.

so if you want to have fun with a boy, just go to Surawong Hotel opposite Montien or BBB-Inn around the corner on Rama 4 for a short time room (something like 4 hours for 500 or 600 Baht)
 
edit: oh, didn't read before posting, vinapu posted the same already haha

O Gee, my babbling about chicken with cashew nuts got me being suspected of having obsession with it.
 
Undeserved,  but fact is  I'm not big fan of Asian dishes and somehow I found that one to my taste so yes, hardly day in LOS is passing without me not having sample.
 
As for Om Yim version I'm sorry to hear you did not like it but it's pretty normal , good food is not one which is good but one we like.
 
And sometimes even most recommended dish doesn't taste any good just because there was different cook working that day.
 
I will make sure to visit soi 9 place , thank you for recommendation.
 
When comes to food I'm pretty undemanding and don't blame anybody not agreeing with me.
 
I have plenty of that myself - I don't like pizza and don't consider Cola Zero and DietCoke  fit for human consumption , just to name a few very popular items.  / not looking to make enemies with this comment but apparently truth is what liberates us /
 
As for firecat' s comments is easy to agree, soi Twilight is unique and a must for first timers or casual, one  a year visitors. They are looking for novelty value and there's plenty of it there.
 
Old hands  saw it all many times and what they see is only price tag going up every time they show up but this is what makes those bars still open. They need to make money and it's our choice to support them or just let them go.
 
Soi 4 is for people  who like to have a drink and watch world passing by, I'm more on the go person  and it's why probaby I don't find it worthwhile. I rather pound pavements in search of my eye candy.

Ah glad this topic comes up, been meaning to give you some comments on this for quite some time. Here is what I have to tell you:
 
I happened to be in the Chong Nonsi area about a couple of months ago, was hungry and as I walked past Om Yim I thought why not eat here. With your Chicken and Cashew nut obsession and the 2nd place ranking for Om Yim in mind, I tried it. To be honest, was totally underwhelmed. Taste was not great, and then there was one detail which I am aware cannot be generalized, but they had pieces of bell peppers of various colors (can't remember if it was all three green, yellow and red or just  a couple), which is a vegetable I absolutely abhor. But even if you leave that second point aside, the taste and texture wasn't anything I would ever go back for. 
 
In another cashew related coincidence, a week or two later I was out eating with a friend at the streetfood restaurant (recommended!) on Silom Soi 9 (the first one on the left hand side just as you enter the soi).and upon the lady's recommendation we ordered the (in)famous dish (she said farangs like it, that's why she resommended it, me being the farang of the two of us haha). Well, that was of another league compared to Om Yim. Much much better IMHO, irrespective of the bell pepper issue, which is presumable irrelevant to most eaters.
 
Anyway, wanted to tell you this, so in your next trip you can sample that one, too. 

nothing much new there. The most important assumption is not mentioned in that article, and that is that the whole thing, i.e. the coup and the tactics to delay an election are to have the military in power when the inevitable big event happens. Which in fact might just be a good idea.... who knows.

There are so many reasons other then the ones Up2U! listed.
 
1. I don't drink wine but people who do tell me the wine list is better.
 
2. The seating is 1-2-1 instead of 2-3-2 on UA which is a JOKE.
 
3. FA"s are young and helpful (unfortunately no males but always smiling instead of grumpy grandmothers on American Carriers.
 
4. Food is similar except IMHO the appetizers are better.
 
5. You can pre-order your meal from a big selection.
 
6. Lounge in SFO is small but in Taipei the Lounge i.e
 
. enormous with great food selections including 6 flavors of ice cream. The wifi is super speed unlike the joke speeds you get in DL or UA lounges.
 
7. Going to BKK, it is really nice to have that 2nd flight only 3 hours but of course the revers is true but we are not as excited to get home usually.
 
8. The transfer in Taipei much faster then in Tokyo.
 
And on and on!

since this was now posted, I'll take the opportunity to comment. Tam is I think the only MB I've ever contacted on Romeo, no regrets. I've known him for about 2 years now, met him a few times, and couldn't agree more on the above review. When I meet him it feels very much like meeting a friend, not a mb. Body is perfection (for me), outstanding and super-rimmable ass, top-skills are superb, Super nice and friendly guy, I genuinely like him (and vice versa). 
 
On a different note: is it OK to post his face pic (and, by the same token, his standard profile) here? I ask because he doesn't have any face pics in his escort profile (never had one there), and I guess that's for his own reasons we should respect. I certainly wouldn't do that.

from what i know only single rooms at Nantra are windowless. / and 2.5 times cheaper than DVaree / 

honestly, I don't trust the reviews on travelgayasia too much. While there are positive ones, I have a feeling people who had negative experiences (in their own perception) tend to be more likely to post a review there. 
 
The orgy parties at R3 definitely DO have models, and they DO end in a circle j/o. The presence of the models is the whole point and concept of the orgy parties. Been there maybe 5 times and the end was always the circle j/o. 
 
Obviously, no such thing at other, regular nights there.
 
Having said that, the clientele on all my visits has been mostly Asians into Asians, few interested in farangs, so can be difficult to get any action. Not many farang go, maybe as a result of that. At the orgy parties I was to the maximum was maybe 4 farangs including myself of a total of up to 100 Asian guests. What the percentage of Thais vs Asian visitors from neighboring countries is is of course impossible to tell. 

In my first visit to BKK I stayed at the Tarntawan.  Nice hotel, not much different from any other hotel. During this first visit I went to Babylon sauna and a guy that I had fun with invited me to his room upstairs at the "barracks".   We didn't exit the sauna but climbed up through the spiral staircase. i liked the ambiance and the idea of being so close to the action.
 
So on my second visit I decided to be daring, and I made reservations to stay for one week at the barracks.  After a few days I liked the place so much that I extended my stay to a second week and cancelled a second reservation I had made at a regular hotel.
 
Since then, every time I visit the city, the Babylon is my home away from home. I know quite well its advantages and disadvantages, and I am a person who likes good value.  
 
Advantages:  It is a place with character and elegance, very well maintained. The rate is low, considering the extras that come with the room:  a good buffet breakfast,  free entry to the sauna with two passes per room (a pass is a nice gift to local friends from a single traveler), comfortable rooms without private bathroom but instead a large shared room in every floor with showers, sinks and toilets which reinforce the feeling of "gay community", free internet, and a well equipped gym and two decent restaurants at the sauna. 
 
Possible disadvantage:  the place is in an isolated area in a nice part of the city removed from the noise of Silom but not too far from it, and at reasonable distance from Lumpini park.  People in good health will not have problems walking to the MTR or BTS. I have walked many times to Sauna Mania without concern for the lack of public transportation after midnight. 
 
Now when I visit BKK I can settle in with my eyes closed.  Arriving during the night at Suvarnabhumi I take in the morning the airport local train, transfer to the MRT at Phetchebury and exit it at Lumpini, from where I walk to Babylon, where I have a late breakfast and later head to the sauna.  In every stay I find people that I had met in previous trips at the breakfast room, which is a good social place to exchange information with other savvy travelers.

I'd recommend setting up a profile on www.planetromeo.com. You can also use their  mobile app. 
 
And of course the usual mobile dating apps hornet, jack'd, grindr

for seat info on any given flight www.seatguru.com is very helpful.
 
As for emptying seatpockets as anonone suggests, that's a good idea and some airlines and seat designers had the same idea, sort of, by now putting the magazines etc. in a seat pocket on top of the seat, rather than at the bottom in front of your knees. The rationale for that, obvioulsy, may be less to give MORE leg-/kneeroom, but to squeeze in more seats at the same legroom. Still helps.

I'd recommend setting up a profile on www.planetromeo.com. You can also use their  mobile app. 
 
And of course the usual mobile dating apps hornet, jack'd, grindr

I can attest to it. I never considered Nantra Silom  and Tarntawan hotels until I read reviews on this very forum.
Also learned about S52 massage here as well as Pattaya vans from the Victory Monument.

haha, point taken ;-)
 
exactly, as so often (if not even always) in discussions like this. As we all know and appreciate, nobody wants to convince anyone of their personal choices/preferences, the point is to exchange ideas, suggestions, meybe sometimes, someone can learn something new for their benefit, which would be nice :-)
 
haha, no I meant something like this.
 

 
Have tried 2 or 3 times, worked fine for me. They are not so strong, but that can be helped by simply taking two.

if you noted the difference of some inflight sleep, why don't you learn the lesson and make it mandatory for yourself to sleep as much as possible? aonone got that part right. That way jet lag is no longer an issue, or at least not as much. 
 
 I can speak for flights from Europe to BKK (10-12 hours), and I always try to take the night flights in either direction, so one is in sleep-mode anyway. Even if I can get only a day flight, I sleep (sometimes by reducing the previous night's sleep to a minimum, plus sleeping pill, see below). Sleep 8 hours, and not big issues with jet lag. The arrival day (arrive morning/midday) might not be your fittest, but go to bed fairly early for a full nights sleep and all jet lag is gone. Flight times to/from US might not work as well, plus unavoidable layovers, so you work out your optimal sleep schedule.
 
If you "can't sleep on planes" (as many people claim), well for one apparently you already have on occasion, but more importantly business class is the way to go. IMHO it *IS* well worth the expentidure. Besides, always be on the lookout for airline specials. There have been dirt cheap offers, for example FRA-HEL-BKK and back in Finnair with lie-flat business class for only 1300 Euros, an absolute steal. Often, they offer it in the 1500-1700 range, still good. Currently, I heard Lufthansa has a special for only 1800, and that's non stop to boot. I have never paid full fare on a business of first class ticket, and of course sometimes just bought the whole thing with points (best value for points IMO, rather than upgrading, which requires ertain usually expensive economy booking class fares as a basis).
 
If your pocket still revolts, I have discovered the huge benefit of sleeping pills, which in the US can easily be obtained over the counter. Work like a charm. They enable you to fall asleep more easily AND make the sleep you actually get deeper and less interrupted or uneasy. i.e. more gives you a closer semblance of quality sleep. And they do NOT leave you drowsy the upon waking up. 

if you noted the difference of some inflight sleep, why don't you learn the lesson and make it mandatory for yourself to sleep as much as possible? aonone got that part right. That way jet lag is no longer an issue, or at least not as much. 
 
 I can speak for flights from Europe to BKK (10-12 hours), and I always try to take the night flights in either direction, so one is in sleep-mode anyway. Even if I can get only a day flight, I sleep (sometimes by reducing the previous night's sleep to a minimum, plus sleeping pill, see below). Sleep 8 hours, and not big issues with jet lag. The arrival day (arrive morning/midday) might not be your fittest, but go to bed fairly early for a full nights sleep and all jet lag is gone. Flight times to/from US might not work as well, plus unavoidable layovers, so you work out your optimal sleep schedule.
 
If you "can't sleep on planes" (as many people claim), well for one apparently you already have on occasion, but more importantly business class is the way to go. IMHO it *IS* well worth the expentidure. Besides, always be on the lookout for airline specials. There have been dirt cheap offers, for example FRA-HEL-BKK and back in Finnair with lie-flat business class for only 1300 Euros, an absolute steal. Often, they offer it in the 1500-1700 range, still good. Currently, I heard Lufthansa has a special for only 1800, and that's non stop to boot. I have never paid full fare on a business of first class ticket, and of course sometimes just bought the whole thing with points (best value for points IMO, rather than upgrading, which requires ertain usually expensive economy booking class fares as a basis).
 
If your pocket still revolts, I have discovered the huge benefit of sleeping pills, which in the US can easily be obtained over the counter. Work like a charm. They enable you to fall asleep more easily AND make the sleep you actually get deeper and less interrupted or uneasy. i.e. more gives you a closer semblance of quality sleep. And they do NOT leave you drowsy the upon waking up.