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I wanted to say you can take soi Sala Daeng to walk to the Prince , but just realized that you may get distracted by Senso so it looks one needs taxi and/or strong will to get there but worth the trouble even if only to see cathedral lobby populated by hunks.

chances are you may like it or even be impressed with

rest assured, not only yours

from my surveys best exchange rates are offered consistently by small office between Om Yim hotel and Silom, matching ones at Superich minus crowds and waiting. Depending on amount changed chasing best rates may or may not make sense, I know somebody who traveled from Asok to Chong Nonsi heading my advice to change 400$ , savings realized were enough to pay for BTS plus 40 baht ( cost of beer at 7/11 ) hardly worth of trouble and time spent.

money, you can buy everything you need in BKK, travel light. Don't forget to report your adventures here

Bali no, but Kuta and environs absolutely yes - in my opinion both Pattaya natives and farangs are behaving in comparizon. Hence my advise - go to Ubud inland. Bali is absolutely enchanting place but even most beautiful man needs to take shit from time to time - that's Kuta IMHO Bali was my side trip from Thailand and I decided to be just a tourist leaving whoring part to return. I think I just like Thai scene better. Most gay life is in Kuta / Seminyak area which I positively was not impressed with and was looking to leave ASAP and in Ubud I was occupied with sightseeing. I'm not horny , I just like company of well built men, specially when they are showing they like my company too. LOL

as I said above, I did not do neither looked to do anything gay in Bali so can't comment. But almost felled in love with hunky flight attendant on Denspasar- Yogyakarta flight who noticed my interest and smiled knowingly. But it was only 1 hour of viewing pleasure.

for all reading that who never went to HERO - this is just mental image. I never saw Hero or in fact any other massage boy actually to pull out dick to get an attention, smiling , flexing muscles , yes , but showing wares - only at go-go.

I believe your last sentence reflects goings there - it 's not a boys who are rushing things but rather horny clients with wandering hands which boys are taking as a signal that client is up to different kind of mutilation than massage. I never felt rushed in soi Twilight places but as everywhere I try to behave for a while. It's why 1 1/2 hr massage is better for me than 1 hr one. Longer term gives ample time for both massage and afters. Yes I confirm your advice- when in doubt go for one who is showing an interest in you / smiles , gestures / .Don't dismiss diminutive twinks, sometimes they provide surprisingly strong massage / and sport surprisingly big attributes/. But general rule I observe in respect of massage is : more mature and experienced boy, better massage is.

Bali is as close to the tropical paradise of popular imagination as possible but I personally hate Kuta / Seminyak which are nothing else than tourist trap full of drunken farangs and enterprising locals out to shortchange you at every turn. I'm no fan of Pattaya but in comparison Kuta is shithole. At least this was my impression and best I did was to move inland to Ubud. No beach there but atmosphere is more relaxing and sightseeing better. Some sights in Bali are truly breathtaking and cliff-side temples of Ulu Watu or Tanah Lot are unforgettable sight along with lakeside Danu Bratan temple. I also recommend hop to Jawa to see Borobudur and Prambanan temples near Yogyakarta, can be done in a day but 2 days hop is better option. east with Air Asia cheap flights. Can't say much about boys since only gay thing I did in Bali was turning head when come cutie was passing by but I'd trust to what Nirish says above. Gay bars in Seminyak are close to each other and are coming to life very late. Street trade in vicinity easy to spot. In short - go and enjoy but fuck Kuta

at end of day this is up to the boys to put labels on us. And not always they are following what we think. If you read my report from May trip, day 10 you may remember that I was dumped mid-bar by the boy who decided to go with somebody else even if we agreed on rate I never paid before and I doubt I will. Not sure money was reason but possibly it could. On another hand in one of most popular massages in the Silom area I saw boy visibly happy with his very aged client who was taking him out LT and boys told me that clinet pays little but is very undemanding and takes his boy very often so i guess boy liked steady but meager income with not much effort to earn it. For those who are not taking disagreements well, I have eye watering story: During strong winter small bird fell on ground frozen mid-flight. Fortunately passing bull dumped his load on the same spot and warmed up bird came back to the life and started chirping happy. This was heard by the wolf in bush who rushed and ate the bird. Moral of story to remember is : not everybody who shits on you is your enemy and not everybody who takes you out of shit is your friend. Hope we will remember that next time fellow poster makes us upset by disagreeing. There's third moral from that story unrelated to our recent troubles but still worth consideration : in you are in deep shit, keep quiet.

cool down men, there are people on this forum who can swear in 7 languages without even taking a breath, whom you are trying to impress with your eloquence?

and rest assured that your efforts are appreciated big time by both members and visitors

You can always settle for those who are 18 or 19 to retirement , still fairly not that old

I fully support your point remembering my first visit back in 2001. Somehow I was told tip is 2000 but did not catch ST / LT distinction. Still remember happy sound of boy getting that much after 1 hr of mutual squeezing in the Suriwong short term rooms. Fossil above is right that system will work itself out, "overpayers" will get attention and stingies will be left to have drink alone. Easy to spot when bar hopping.

firecat , did you hear that?

Obviously, as closing thread attests, is not as normal as you think. I did not see any disagreements and it was fascinating to see how steam builds up over cold water. Merely suggestions that there are other ways of improving lot of boys than fucking them and paying them generously or that offering substandard rate may come from other reasons than just being cheap were taken as hostile and as raised in Cheap Charlies defense. At times parents are throwing toys to kids and when play becomes too noisy they are taking it from them. Closing threat brought me this cherished memories of time long gone. Firecat is nice and generous guy. He was just looking for 100% support and getting 99 was not good enough, we failed and were cut off. I support right of originating posters to request to close their threads. Doors can be closed gently but if somebody decides to slam with bang , their door ,their frame.

welcome to the forum ! You entered with a bang - two brief but very informative reports

don't worry ay709394 and keep posting and asking questions, sometimes our Welcoming mat is from Dollar Store but it's still Welcoming mat. If boys don't enjoy and because our custom is forcing them to pretend they do, may be we are exploiting them after all , just paying for the privilege?

I sense some ungratefulness here in the whole discussion there was not even single voice who would question this opinion , it's why I think we generated too much heat over issue absolutely everybody agreed to. Although to be clear I think that person PAYING 400 for ST is disgusting cheap prick etc. not one just offering such a crappy sum. Why? Are we sure that offer come from farang? If not , there are 3 possibilities enabling us to save our foam for worse occasion of abuse 1. it could be somebody local used to paying local prices / not neccesarily a Thai / who just felt urge to shave only 100 baht from usual 500/800 Saranrom rates which as Christian stated above may go as low as 300 ST and this was boy's quotation 2. it could be sombedy not familiar with Thai scene and accepted rates there, simply offering what he pays at home, 10 $ ST and 20 LT may be good running rates at Dhaka , Bangladesh or Lahore , Pakistan. Not everybody lives in New York and is used to 300$ rates. 3. it could be inconsiderate farang just testing the market without any intention of paying that little. After all almost everybody stated that they are paying more then going rate if service is more than minimum. It's why we have newbies asking about tips all the time because they just don't know. Not everybody offering 30 baht for 200 baht t-shirt is making mockery of the seller . People just want to establish going rate and pay what is acceptable to both sides. YES, PERSON PAYING BOY 400 BAHT FOR SHORT TIME IS A CHEAP PRICK but really who is against ?, only dissenting voices are in respect of extend to which boy is free to reject stupid offer or forced to accept it by circumstances. As we know from example firecat provided , one in question felt empowered to reject it. Without actual boy's input we can only guess if they consider given offer slave driving or accept it resigning to their fate way we do when boss is asking us to come to work on Sunday and we know we won't be paid because we are salaried. YES, PERSON PAYING BOY 400 BAHT FOR SHORT TIME IS A CHEAP PRICK as for INTEGRITY expect nothing less from us here, pillars of community all !

relax and go, you can off boys from BBB and there are dozens of them waiting for you. Also show is possibly best of all go-gos in Thailand. B-Boys is break dance / I think it's how it's called , correct me if I'm wrong / troupe performing as visiting guests. Those boys are out of bounds for offs or at least it's what it seems. But their performance is a highlight of the show.

here we go , from highest mountain on the world we descended straight to the bed.

yes, but who has patience to wait?

I support firecat's rant raised in noble cause and all names he threw at those cheap skates. I like the boy as stated several posts above and I'm glad that he found such a generous farang like you. But I have some doubts if whole issue deserved so much heat under the collar. Of course offering less than accepted rate is taking advantage of situation but this is what market is for. I have no doubts that with poor rental market boy paying 3000 / month would not have any reservations about asking landlord for reduction to 2000 knowing that most rooms in the residence are empty. Fair? no, taking advantage of situation? yes. Would I condemn boy ? no. Would you? I doubt. Yes , customers offering such a low rates are not fair but this was just an offer. Boy can accept , refuse or try to negotiate better rate. Real taking advantage of would be if price was agreed and reduced after the deed and this would be humiliating part. Yes if we want to have them available we need to support boys, bars , massages etc. otherwise they will be gone. Cheap skates should be condemned and shamed to be more generous for that self-serving reason. But at end of day it's up to boy to decide if offer is worthwhile to consider or better be ignored . Clearly he was not happy since he complained to you but when you with your promise to top up what you already deservedly gave him will be gone he may decide from time to time that low rate is still better than none. And day may come when he notices spark in client's eye and suggest 2000 ST hoping that spark comes from another type of heat under the collar or somewhere else not paying any attention to going rate of 1000.

No doubt some of those climbers would say the same about experience of sleeping with boy half of our age we so cherish. It's good we humans are so diversified which helps to keep many talented people in employment.