But then there are the occurrences of a shoeshine guy, wearing gym shorts, with his huge dick hanging down the leg....I asked if he'd rather do a programma than to shine shoes....he put his shoe shine kit in his backpack and off we went to y hotel room.
I'm glad he wasn't with his mom....that would've been awkward 😱
LOL.
Perhaps we all are over reacting? I never, NEVER, got any close to think of you as a Supremacist or anything like that. I only think, as I told you, that this was not your best post. But we all have bad moments, and we all hope we will not be judged by our worst decisions.
During my 8-day visit in Salvador Bahia, I went twice to Clube 11, once on Dec. 29th 2023, and once on Jan. 3rd 2024. My general impression is, Clube 11 is the more popular and better GP Sauna in Salvador. I know other fellow travelers have a different take on this, and I benefited enormously reading from their experiences. I’m just here to share mine.
Location:
It’s quite close to Lapa metro station and easy to walk to. It’s a newly repaint blue building with some boys and gays hanging at the entrance. My airbnb is at about 15 minutes walking distance, and I walked there both times, before and after sunset. I’ve never felt insecurity of any form. The streets were not deserted. The first time I got out at 22:00, and tried to walk home. Everyone objected violently to that, all the guys I talked to in the sauna, the receptionist, the cleaning ‘pink lady’, etc. I ordered an uber just to calm them down but I sincerely thought there wouldn’t be any problem. The second time I walked home with a boy I off-ed. The streets are quiet but not scary. I’m not very sensitive to insecurity anyway. When I got caught in a cross-fire of two generals of two favelas in Rio, I felt more excited than scared and paid a uber driver a handsome amount of money so he could drive me around the bonfires marking the conflict zone for me to take some photos and videos. Anyway, for the sake of peace of mind, take a uber to go home if you feel it’s necessary.
The hours:
The sauna on both visits were already quite happening before 18:00. The first time it had a show, a surprisingly good one. Here are some videos I took. The dancer was delicious and the drags were really funny. The show was supposed to start at 20:30 but it didn’t until 21:00 and lasted until about 22:00. The second time was bingo night. A not so beautiful, not so funny, yet very loud drag yelled all night long and it was still on when I left at 21:45. It’s definitely better to go there before 21:00 so the boys are still kinda fresh.
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The clientele:
The local clients make up the majority. You can tell by how they interact with each other and with the boys. The domestic travelers definitely surpass the international ones. Most of the guys there are in their 40s to 60s. I was taken in as a protégée by a funny 40 something years old local and he spent the whole night explaining me the ins and outs of the place. On my second visit I was courted by a 30 something year old visitor of Sao Paulo, and he was decent looking. We had some quick fun in one of the free cabins (actually maybe just that cabin was not locked, I don’t really know). Some crazy fruits totally liberated themselves there, which was a lot of fun to observe. Most of the locals were quiet and reserved. I don’t really want to make this into a racial thing, but most customers are of lighter skin colour.
The GPs:
On both my visits, there were at least 20 boys, most of them in their 20s, but certain I’d say in their late 30s. 80% of them are of slim non-gym going type. But good genes leave them really nice body. No one seemed body-builder. GPs there are not very expressive with their body or with their tools. Some occasionally flash their dicks but it was more to re-arrange their towel than a selling technique. Some stroke themselves in the video room, and some sit on the mezzanine alone or with clients, reveling their full hard-on. The body shape was not the only thing that might disappoint certain fellow travelers of this forum. At least I was quite disappointed by the cock size of the GPs in clube 11. Actually I later confirmed that the myth of huge hung soteropolitanos was indeed poorly based. I only counted one boy who had a real XXL cock (over 23 cm) and one who had a 21-22 cm but really thick. The rest who demonstrated their tool fall into XL category (19-21 cm) and those who hide their tools from public eyes have L to M cocks, which are totally fine if paired with nice body, cute face and good personality. Seems the real talents indeed all fled to Rio and Sampa. But shouldn’t they be back to their homeland for holidays?
My programas:
I normally start with a soft drink and walked around the property. I was mostly pretending to be on my phone as I didn’t want to be bothered by waves after waves of boys sitting with me, or by other clients trying to make small talks. Most of the boys and clients I did talk to all had moments of confusion about my European Portuguese paired with an Asian face, but they got used to it after a couple of minutes. The problem was I couldn’t give couples of minutes to everyone. My 40+ yo local ‘protector’ really wanted to chat as he’s very interested in Europe and also works in fashion. I had a flirt with a hot 52 yo traveler from Espirito Santo and we tried to meet on the following days but never found a right moment.
All those evasive strategies didn’t stop certain really persisting and pushy GPs. One came on to me so hard and I had to run from him kissing and touching me. But he finally wore me off and I had a session with him. He’s a solid 9 at the place anyway with a 20 cm fat cock, and he really wanted with me. He opened with 100 and dropped instantly to 80 réais when I hesitated. It was a good passion filled fuck and I was shocked by how much he sweat despite the AC in the suite. Yes. The suite does have an AC temperature problem. It was around 19:00 and I told him that he didn’t need to cum if he needed to work more. He had to pause multiple times, which was kinda a bummer for me as it fucked up the beat. I was prepared to give him 150 in case he cum, but he did manage to hold it off and I gave him 100. I actually don’t like boys cumming during my session. I don’t find it hot at all.
After the first session, I was not really in the mood to do more as no boys stroke me as a must. I was getting 2 to 3 times free Grindr sex per day with similar men / boys and I was saying ‘no’ a lot. So I was not craving for it. I noticed there was a room set up for massage, with a whole wall of therapist certifications. Richardo, the short cute 30 something yo masseur was so confident about what he does and he convinced me to give it a try. 90 for 30 mins and 180 for 60 mins. I would unfortunately only give a 7 to the massage but I do believe it’s one of the best massages you can get in a gay sauna. I’m a big spa goer, a certified therapist, and had a successful urban spa business when I was younger, so I feel I know what I’m talking about. Richardo learned lots of stuff, but didn’t really master any of them. In his what we consider Californian massage, he mixed whatever he considered the quintessence of every style he knows, but missed the true healing power of each. He has power but lacks precision. The choreography was totally off. But again, that’s as much as a massage one can get in a gay sauna. I had catastrophic ones in Colombia, in Mexico, in Cuba, etc.
After the massage, I went for the show, during which, my local ‘protector’ introduced me the two most hung boys of the place, the 23 cm and the 21-22 cm but much fatter cock. I didn’t like the second one at all as he was kinda rude and cocky (in the bad figurative way). I talked a bit to the 23 cm, Carlos, and I was pleasantly surprised by how humble he was. I’m a more dominant bttm so he’s a good match. I told him that I would have a session with him if he’s still around after the show, but he didn’t need to as it was late already and I would surely be back. When the show was over, I looked around and found him rushing out of the wet sauna when he heard the music stopped. I took the same suite and had him my way. The cock is divine, perfect size and shape (very similar to the one of Caio Veyron but surely bigger). Pity he was obviously exhausted and obviously not gay. But his wonderful cock did the magic. It could have been a very satisfactory experience if I didn’t catch the glare of self-loathing and desperation in his eyes. It broke my heart. At that point, I decided I should get to know him better, but I wanted to sleep on that. I gave him my WhatsApp and sent him few messages including new year greetings on the following days. I was planning offing him but I saw my messages were not read.
I didn’t find time to revisit Clube 11 until the 3rd. And one of the major reasons was to check on Carlos. Somehow I was worried. I asked about him at the entrance and got an affirmative answer. I repeated my pattern and quietly wait for Carlos to show up. Again I had waves of boys coming on to me, that I respectively declined. A slim fit gold haired youngster, with a pointy long and ever-hard dick took the place of the pushiest, but I didn’t fall this time. He’s a smoker. I really didn’t care for the bingo so I stayed mostly upstairs. I did notice a jolly cute guy with very carefully trimmed beard, and he seemed to be extremely popular, disappearing several times with suite keys. When I finally got the chance to talk to him, I understood better. He has this positive energy around him, which makes people want to share something with him. His name is Jean. He doesn’t have a big cock, 18 cm tops, but he’s vers and he ‘faz tudo’. He’s a good package. Another boy I kinda considered is a very tall one with breads. He has a 20+ cm and very thick cock. It’s the girth which intrigued me.
Then Carlos showed up. He smiles and said Oi. I decided to be direct and asked him why he didn’t check my WhatsApp messages. He’s a man with very few words and only explained that he got lots of messages. I told him that I could have off-ed him. He was very surprised. After some seconds of silence, he said he would go with me if I still want him. I told him that he should finish his work first. He agreed and said that we should leave around 21:30. It was kinda weird because he then was sitting with me all night, letting me play with his huge hard-on. I told him that he should go back to work, as I wanted to off him mostly because I wanted to talk to him. But he stayed there with me anyway, as if it was his way of saying sorry for not responding me or thanks for wanting to off him. We didn’t really talk about the price. When I insisted on talking about it, he said minimum 200 which was really cheap and he wanted to spend the night with me. I told him that he could stay in the second bedroom, as I’m a light sleeper. At around 9:30, he told me that he wanted to leave. We got dressed and I paid his entrance, 15 reais, cheaper than the 25 reais boy’s entrance in Clube Fox. He suggested that we walk and I gladly agreed. The streets were quiet, but no where dangerous. We didn’t see any ‘strange’ people or potential trouble on our 15 minutes way back. I bought some lanchinho in a hamburgeria, only option at that hour, because I knew he would be hungry. Once home, he stripped to underwear like most Brazilians would do and lay on the sofa. He looked tired, too tired even for eating. I told him that we didn’t need to do anything other than talking. I wanted him to tell me his story. He’s a man of few words, but little by little he opened up. He told me that he felt stuck in life, doing a job he didn’t enjoy, trying to finish his study of business administration and saw little future even after he manages to finish. He told me that he feels ugly, as he got rejections in the sauna. I guess we all have certain complex about our physics, even someone over 190 cm with a boyish face and a solid 23 cm cock. I tried my best to help him see things more positively, but there was so little that could be said. His phone buzzed frequently but he never checked the messages. When I asked about the buzz, he borrowed my phone to check on something. It was a website olx.cpm.br . He was checking on second-hand phones. they are cheap, mostly between 200 and 400 reais. I guess that's where the robbed phones are sold. His phone was broken. The screen didn’t show anything. That was why he couldn’t reply my messages and he preferred keeping all that to himself. I offered help and he got to get his phone fixed or get a new one. We ate a bit, chatting slowly. Then we moved to sex, good sex, deep and slow. The night of sleep was eventless. The morning after, he came to my bed right after he woke up and gave me another deep and intense orgasm. Reaching noon, I handed him all the remaining cash I had. He asked if it’s possible to stay with me. I told him that it was my last day and I didn’t have any cash anymore. He said he didn’t need more money as he already had enough to fix his phone. I guess certain only think about making money when he needs. I was temped, but I had already made arrangements with a Grindr boy I met on the first day to visit museums, and I always stick to my arrangements. He looked sad. He said it was too little time. I told him that he should get his phone fixed and I’d send him message. We parted 2 minutes before my Grindr boy arrived. When I was in the museum, I got a message from Carlos. It was short: ‘Too little time, too many memories’. I was moved. Then he said he got his phone fixed and was still around my place, hoping I’d be free. I told him that I wouldn’t make it as my day was planned out and the Grindr boy wanted to spend the last night with me. I told him that we would meet again and I was sincere. I told him that I’d be back in June. He said that’s far but he would be waiting.
Never try to explain a homophobe they are homophobes, of course they are blinded to their bigotry. This is the same case with a different kind of hatred. This is the guy who justifies the Palestine genocide and is blind to his moral misery. Do not waste your time, it is better to ignore his posts.
I think our reaction (at least mine) does not come from you disliking that a homeless would disrupt your meal. I would not like that either. But I would not come to a discussion forum to share my experience the way you did and with the wording you chose. Read again the entire quote above. I would never yell at someone as you report you did, or would not be loud at someone in case you did not yell AT him. I would not add your last paragraph where you seem to be complaining not only about one incident.
I know you are an experienced traveler, and I always enjoyed your posts. Not this one.
Many years ago someone asked me for some water from my water bottle, on the street, which I thought was strange. My Brazilian friend said to me, Robert...you don't know what it's like to be hungry/thirty and nothing to do about it....when you're hungry/thirsty, you just go buy something....not everyone can, this was eye opening.
Don't expect Asian quality massage in Brasil, also don't expect many English speakers, and if they do speak English, think twice. They usually gain confidence of new clients and charge more and some do less....get used to Google Translate.
Never ever do that ! Even if you are in a crowd, it is not safe to show phone or to have phone easily possibly taken from your pocket : it can be very quick : someone takes your phone and passes it to someone else while preventing you to run after him. There might be 2 or 3 or 4 persons involved and if you try to react, they could physically harm you. One of my friends had his phone in his pocket during a concert. He felt something in his pocket : a young girl had taken his phone and passed it to someone behind. My friend was sure that she was the thief but she stayed in front of him without moving ...
The Instagram site alertazonasul gives good examples of what can happen ...
Personnally, I have 2 phones : my main phone which stays in the hotel and a cheap one with internet access to call uber, surf on the net, look grindr which I take with me ... if it is stolen, it is no big deal
I had the weirdest experience last night. I went for dinner on a terrace restaurant on the theatre square in central Manaus, and it was not a good idea!
First the food was not very good at all, but then I had 3 weird interactions:
First, a guy passing by notices my sunburns and tries to sell me soothing cream. I mean I know how to go to a pharmacy, I don’t need to do my shopping with my mouth full of salad
Second, a kid, about 11 year old comes and asks me something which I didn’t get. My Portuguese is not bad, but I need people to articulate to understand them, and this kid wasn’t articulating and all. So I answered “nao entendi, não falo bem portugues” he nods and proceeds to sit at my table right in front of me. I started to realise he had asked me if he could sit there for a while, while he was waiting for his mum. I was too stunned to speak up but I thought, he is not bothering me, just singing along with the band on the square, All right, then.
Finally, after the kid left, I had not finished my salad (which tasted terrible), and while waiting for my main, an older guy comes along and asks me if I am finished with it, or if am going to eat any more of it or something like that. I nod and push the plate away, thinking that he was part of the staff, although not dressed for the part, and amazingly the guy grabs a few leaves of my salad and proceeds to eat them! Turns out he was a homeless guy asking if he could have some of my leftovers. I was so stunned, what the fuck? The staff didn’t bother to shoo him away, I had to tell him (and everyone else who could hear) very loudly “Deixa me em paz, não tenho nada para você, quero nada de você, só quero jantar em paz!”
Can’t I be left alone in Brazil? I get accosted all the time by people selling me their stuff, because I am so white, I am obviously not from Brazil, and therefore a target. Between that and the embarrassment of registering a different boy daily at the hotel, this trip might not be as relaxing as I was hoping 😂
Certainly true (or quite rare) at the big three saunas in Rio/SP. As FloridaRob said, "thank goodness."
However, for the record, in smaller cities GP saunas do have client/client action as well -- for example, not long ago, definitely in Natal, Brasilia, João Pessoa, in both GP saunas in Recife, sometimes in Belo Horizonte, and in the past if not present in Curitiba and Floripa.
In some cases, saunas that are predominantly guys not looking for GPs still have a few overt GPs. So I guess these are "hybrids" not exactly true "GP saunas."
No gay saunas that’s I can find. There is a men-only darkroom, called cine Eros club, which had 2 customers (+ me for 15 minutes) yesterday night.
There are places with women, and I am told, these have plenty of choice any night that they are open.
But us gay visiting Manaus are left with the internet only, it appears.
I have never been to Manaus but after a quick Google search, I found Clube H20. However, it seems to only operate 4(?) days a week.
https://www.instagram.com/clubeh2o/?hl=en
https://www.instagram.com/clubeh2o_/?hl=en
There is also a Pub Cine Aventura Manaus and a few gay bars in my search.
First day in Manaus, I only got one boy to my hotel: https://www.garotos.com.br/acompanhante/manausam/bernardo-2
He didn’t kiss but otherwise was great: a stunning boy who stayed very hard the whole time, and he let me have him deep and fast without any complaints. Champion bottom, Perfect hygiene, and most importantly he had a body to kill for, which I spent 20 minutes kissing and licking, it was amazing.
When I was finished, I thought he was gonna leave right away, but no, he offered a second round, if I wanted to bottom myself. Given his cock wasn’t huge, I thought “I can handle him” and I definitely needed more, so I said yes right away. He was a great top as well!
He asked for 150 reais + Uber, I gave him 200 cash. He was happy with that.
Then he left to his job, which is apparently, modelling for clothes.
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