BiBottomBoy Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 Any of you all feel like a straight actor would have gotten over this bullshit and be reaccepted by now? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6401449/How-Kevin-Spacey-not-seen-YEAR.html?ito=social-facebook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Riobard Posted November 18, 2018 Members Share Posted November 18, 2018 A corollary question: is Doug Stamper up to the required janitorial tasks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BigK Posted November 18, 2018 Members Share Posted November 18, 2018 I've always enjoyed his work as an actor. I'm suspicious about the magnitude of claims against him. I'm sure many were willing participants in hopes of gaining his favor in hopes of furthering their careers especially those who's careers never really took off and now desire any fame the notoriety of being one of his "victims" brings. I'm not saying he's blameless, but there aren't any proven facts to know for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lucky Posted November 18, 2018 Members Share Posted November 18, 2018 Speak to Anthony Rapp, not us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiBottomBoy Posted November 18, 2018 Author Share Posted November 18, 2018 Well Anthony Rapp and some others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lucky Posted November 19, 2018 Members Share Posted November 19, 2018 1 hour ago, BiBottomBoy said: Well Anthony Rapp and some others. Well, there you go. Multiple victims should have a say here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiBottomBoy Posted November 19, 2018 Author Share Posted November 19, 2018 Except it deprives us of a great artist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lucky Posted November 19, 2018 Members Share Posted November 19, 2018 That, really, is a whole other topic. So many men have been accused, often for things they did years ago, and now find themselves shunned. Sometimes just on someone else's word. No one has come up with an appropriate way to deal with this. Should a groper be punished the same as a rapist? Spacey molested children, and was a general asshole to work with. So many might consider this his comeuppance despite his talents. But the whole Me/Too movement has risen abruptly to power and they currently hold all of the cards. Time will eventually allow some of these men to return to work. I do hate it when a man is immediately considered guilty simply because of the allegation. But the media eats it up. MsGuy and JKane 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiBottomBoy Posted November 19, 2018 Author Share Posted November 19, 2018 He didn't molest children. He tried to have sex with a 14 year old. That's inappropriate but not child molestation. kjun12 and MsGuy 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RockHardNYC Posted November 19, 2018 Members Share Posted November 19, 2018 14 hours ago, BiBottomBoy said: Any of you all feel like a straight actor would have gotten over this bullshit and be reaccepted by now? He may not be a straight actor, but I have a feeling Harvey Weinstein will never be permitted to work in Hollywood again. No re-acceptance for Harvey. 37 minutes ago, BiBottomBoy said: it deprives us of a great artist Spacey was a talented performer. I don't know anyone who would call him a "great artist." The industry (and the audience) will do just fine without him. 14 minutes ago, BiBottomBoy said: He didn't molest children. He tried to have sex with a 14 year old. That's inappropriate but not child molestation. It's a little more complicated than that. Spacey turned out to be a PR disaster, caused by his own mouth. Whatever talent he had, he killed all good will available to him. It's very difficult to recover from that in show business. AdamSmith and azdr0710 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kjun12 Posted November 20, 2018 Members Share Posted November 20, 2018 On 11/19/2018 at 7:42 AM, RockHardNYC said: It's a little more complicated than that. Spacey turned out to be a PR disaster, caused by his own mouth. Whatever talent he had, he killed all good will available to him. It's very difficult to recover from that in show business. I did not realize this. Upon what do you base this comment? I also think he is an excellent, if not great, actor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiBottomBoy Posted November 20, 2018 Author Share Posted November 20, 2018 I thought he just made one statement apologizing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyOz Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 The initial issue was with a 14-year-old at a big party after everyone left and Spacy was drunk. Where were the parents? Who lets their child go out till 2 AM at a big celebrity party alone? I don't get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiBottomBoy Posted November 20, 2018 Author Share Posted November 20, 2018 Me neither Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Riobard Posted November 20, 2018 Members Share Posted November 20, 2018 His mother, a single divorced working woman, was likely at home in Chicago. Rapp did not relocate to New York until 3 years later at 18. He was probably supposed to be in the care of his older playright brother when he had performance contracts in New York. At the time, he was in an all-adult play, with his age perhaps not figuring prominently compared to other kids there more integrated into a peer group. But it is true it made him somewhat of a sitting duck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiBottomBoy Posted November 20, 2018 Author Share Posted November 20, 2018 And Spacey wasn't famous then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RockHardNYC Posted November 20, 2018 Members Share Posted November 20, 2018 2 hours ago, TotallyOz said: Where were the parents? Who lets their child go out till 2 AM at a big celebrity party alone? The party was not that large. The theater community in NYC often feels like family. Cast parties in private homes are a dime a dozen. I've hosted my share. Members of this community tend to be very trusting. Fourteen in NYC/Broadway, is like eighteen anywhere else. Teen kids are shockingly mature here, and I mean shocking. I can relate. When I was seventeen, I had a fake driver's license claiming I was twenty-three. No one questioned it. I never got caught. Spacey has a rather long history of sexual battery claims. Lawsuits may follow him for quite some time. He exhibited serial predator behavior, especially when he drank. Many people thought he was a functioning alcoholic. His troubles are far from over. 2 minutes ago, BiBottomBoy said: And Spacey wasn't famous then. Fame is relative. If you're a lead in New York theater, you're famous. He definitely lived his life back then with star aura surrounding him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Riobard Posted November 20, 2018 Members Share Posted November 20, 2018 Rapp may have been excited at the prospect of meeting Jack Lemmon, featured (with Spacey) in Long Day's Journey Into Night at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiBottomBoy Posted November 20, 2018 Author Share Posted November 20, 2018 Or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyOz Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 5 hours ago, RockHardNYC said: The party was not that large. The theater community in NYC often feels like family. Cast parties in private homes are a dime a dozen. I've hosted my share. Members of this community tend to be very trusting. Fourteen in NYC/Broadway, is like eighteen anywhere else. Teen kids are shockingly mature here, and I mean shocking. I can relate. When I was seventeen, I had a fake driver's license claiming I was twenty-three. No one questioned it. I never got caught. Spacey has a rather long history of sexual battery claims. Lawsuits may follow him for quite some time. He exhibited serial predator behavior, especially when he drank. Many people thought he was a functioning alcoholic. His troubles are far from over. Fame is relative. If you're a lead in New York theater, you're famous. He definitely lived his life back then with star aura surrounding him. I have bee to quite a few of those parties myself. But, young teens were not there unattended after midnight. Sorry, I just don't get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RockHardNYC Posted November 21, 2018 Members Share Posted November 21, 2018 7 hours ago, TotallyOz said: young teens were not there unattended after midnight. Sorry, I just don't get it. Young teen roles in the theater are far and few between. Almost as rare as plays and musicals that cast children. Adam Rapp was very enthusiastic about his future in show business. He possessed a lot of charisma and talent. Of course he wanted to "party" with his cast mates. I did the same thing when I was an underage performer. Just like my parents, I'm confident his parents trusted him and the professionals who surrounded him. None of them were expecting Spacey to be a closeted homosexual predator with a drinking problem. In situations like these, you live and learn, and you grow up very fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kjun12 Posted November 21, 2018 Members Share Posted November 21, 2018 RockHard, have you ever considered that you may be self absorbed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiBottomBoy Posted November 21, 2018 Author Share Posted November 21, 2018 To be fair at 14 I would have been psyched at anyone wanting to have sex with me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyOz Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 18 hours ago, RockHardNYC said: The party was not that large. The theater community in NYC often feels like family. Cast parties in private homes are a dime a dozen. I've hosted my share. Members of this community tend to be very trusting. Fourteen in NYC/Broadway, is like eighteen anywhere else. Teen kids are shockingly mature here, and I mean shocking. I can relate. When I was seventeen, I had a fake driver's license claiming I was twenty-three. No one questioned it. I never got caught. Spacey has a rather long history of sexual battery claims. Lawsuits may follow him for quite some time. He exhibited serial predator behavior, especially when he drank. Many people thought he was a functioning alcoholic. His troubles are far from over. Fame is relative. If you're a lead in New York theater, you're famous. He definitely lived his life back then with star aura surrounding him. Sorry, I don't care how small or large. A 14-year old that was my son would NEVER have been allowed to stay out past midnight at an adult party. It just should not have happened. kjun12 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyOz Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 23 minutes ago, BiBottomBoy said: To be fair at 14 I would have been psyched at anyone wanting to have sex with me. Yeah, me too. And, I did have several flings. But, I felt I was mature for my age. And, I was totally in love with one guy who was married. Perhaps, a bit of my heart still belongs to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
