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no problem at all for simple reason, according to sources I trust none of those 203 deaths was actually me despite being in Thailand 3 times in 2016.

I don't think z909 questioned data at all, just it's frivolous / sensationalist interpretation by ABC

at 49 baht it's not a bargain, bottle or can cost less

Day 8 Today is last day I have hotel reservation in New Café Royal and one I planned to make a decision what to do in next two days- stay in Pattaya or return to Bangkok. If stay in Pattaya , question to answer is where, still in BT or move to either Sunee or Jomtien. This was plan devised before I came here. This morning in view of last two days I don’t have any doubts what I want to do - stay here in BT where I belong and have fun so far. Handsome receptionist in New Café Royal was kind to leave me in the same room for the same price I paid originally with benefit of breakfast for two as in original reservation. I paid 2720 for those additional two nights and took motorsai taxi to Bali Hai pier to buy tickets for ferry to Hua Hin and back. This I had planned in case I will stay in Pattaya. I don’t have any interest in Hua Hin but for fun wanted to see how this new acclaimed ferry works. Ferry has separate ticket office in the pier building on the 2nd floor and is very well posted, There was no problem with getting ticket but girl there seemed to find exotic an idea of me sailing there and immediately back in the same day and called another girl with better English. I can swear that Thai words she said to her were something like ‘ this farang is so stupid I can’t believe so you better confirm if I’m hearing him right” . Confirmed that this is what I really want I got my tickets . For trip there business class for 1550 and for sailing back economy one for 1250, total of 2800, sounds like off fee, drink and boy’s tip. I was instructed to be at pier 1 hour before once a day 10 a.m. departure. Rest of day spent wandering lazily here and there about Pattaya sois and Beach Rd with sole aim of wasting time and energy. After al today is breaking point of my trip and from evening I’m closer to departure than arrival. Just before sun set another dinner in Alt Heidelberg restaurant. Wait for my meal shortened by being chatted up by typical example of one of sad faced Pattaya expats with litany of complains how expensive it is and how demanding and greedy girls become in comparison to glory days of past and even my habitual phrase that in the past even water was more wet was met with approving and compassionate understanding. Then is was time to return to soi and as usual have a seat at Oscars where I found williewillie parked already boys in conversation with freshly arrived in Thailand two young Russians. I did not waste that opportunity to switch to Russian if only to impress them and boost my self-esteem by them being impressed. It worked, LOL. Since they expressed an interest in special show we instructed them to check XBoys . In meantime I kept an eye on goings around BBB and for a good reason - I wanted another massage from Art .As it turned he also was keeping watchful eye and as soon as he saw me he came to make sure I’m still interested in his company tonight. Mutual understanding at it’s best. At 9.00 p.m. I went to the bar , paid off fee of 500 and we marched back to hotel , not sure who was happier but we both were. Still he did not want long time but was not in the rush to leave so we had good 2.50 – 3 hrs together not exactly spent discussing world peace but some conversation we had. Again great , fast paced , long stoked massage and great time together, another candidate for only hand holding session. I actually never did it but for my personal use if I classify boy they I could off him only to hold hands with him , dressed or not, it means he is top of top of the line for me. There are few of those brilliants still in business and at end of day primary reason to fly half globe across. Just before midnigt he left and I was in no mood to sleep in the cold bed so decided to check only bar in the soi I did not visit this trip, you are right – Toy Boy. Since there’s circulating opinion that those lingering outside are just bait or available for girls only I was not even in the mood to check accuracy of those claims and went inside. As before and it was not my first time in that bar on offer are mostly twinks , among them one Vietnamese boy discussed and showed in this forum not long ago. Nice face but slim bodied I kind of had problem to chose one I’d like to take with me , few were smiling at me , making inviting gestures etc so finally settled on one who had hair style I like. If can’t have muscle at least I will have some face to look at. Waved over drink bought to smooth up an interview process. Long time OK wants 2500, 2000 offer accepted. Usual question ‘ do you want et something?’ answered ‘yes” ,” where you want to go?” , ‘up to you” so we went to my favorite metal tables on corner of soi where XBoys are but half way to, all of the sudden he changed mind that he is not hungry and we can go to the room. So we went and it was quite OK but after few hours , it was like 4 a.m. he woke me up asking for some money because he wants to go to Wat Chai to buy some food because he’s hungry. Not a good sign so I gave him half agreed tip / 1000/ and went to bed not even sure he will return- I had cases like that ending with no-show. But after while knock to door wake me up, he was back. Then in 15 minutes he needs to smoke, OK open window and smoke. Back to bed for ½ hr. perhaps , he needs to go to 7/11 to buy some cigarettes and a beer. Firm candidate to one of worst offs ever thought I and when he returned , opened beer for me and him and after few gulps asked whether he can go I gave him my permission and other 1000 of agreed tip, happy him and happy me that he is gone. So much for those economical long time rates I thought. Since it was 6 a.m. already I decided on early breakfast and waiter did not say anything but clearly was a bit surprised seeing me sitting alone . Not exactly thrilling end of day 8 but look at full half of glass – at least it was over.

As stated many times before I tend to fix tip beforehand, Sure , time is very important to me but I don't bother with LT / ST classifications. "I will stay till 4 " , "how much you want" is negotiation's tune I employ. I doubt I'm kind and don't mind to be classified as having good heart , I'm just not as preoccupied with compensation issues as to count every satang. I like to be happy and boys to be happy too , at end of day it works for me. Few nights this trip were really fabulous but at times , yes, boys are pissing me off. See day 8 report in few minutes. Brutal truth about last trip is - most expensive offs were the most enjoyable, market economy at it's best it seems as I got what I paid for.

Ambiance massage is called Body CLub I guess. As long as I remember all three, Copa , Body Club and Scandic were always collecting boy minimum tip up front. I always check with boys what is their share and tip accordingly i.e . if his tip is 500 from price I paid I give him at least 500 since my usual rate for 1 hr massage is 1000 at least , more if I like boy or massage or both better. I don't think shops are cheating boys, those I had more than once would say something I guess When I took Kao from Copa , receptionist asked him how much he should charge and I paid 400 requested. Thus I know what is boy's share,presumably Kao told him I'm safe and he is sure I will tip him fairly / he got 1200 /

I'm glad you liked Alt Heidelberg it and hope they still be around when I return.That signature dish there it's just as one I remember as Sunday dinner from home. Twinks are not my style but I'm not ideological about that like some members who are proud of never setting foot in say , Tawan . From time to time I give twinks a chance and visit their bars regularly. Sure it was not illusion, you saw it rightly , employing them to lap sitting position is my way of saving them, from starvation. When visit bar and expect to sit there for a bit , usually I call some boy over just to have somebody warm sitting beside. Doesn't cost much and we both happy. that's my assessment as well even if I like Tawan boys better It can't as far as I can see but I go to Thailand to enjoy good /. eventful LT with the boys and can't care less about having good night sleep. How I do it , I don't even know , it must be an adrenaline but I sleep very little and as illustrated still drive big hunks to a desperation , LOL Boys are not machines and activities need to be tailored to their ability. From my experience , even those who need to leave early are not against early morning activities. That hunks are against morning activities , that's novelty to me. you will be happy with either one for sure. Yes , BBB are packing an audience nightly just like Dreamboys. And if pricing level is too high there are other bars within 10 m radius. But 800 off fee for the show boys even such liberal person as me considers unreasonable but if needs to be paid I rather gnash my teeth and pay instead of missing a date with boy I like.

and if crowded there's another salt water pool nearby, it's called the sea

I'd not like to be killed my tiny little gun holding neighbor thinking that party I'm throwing is too loud or my dog barks too often. It's better to create an environment where one can walk safe without thinking of need to buy a gun , no matter how small.

we toss the coin who goes first , I'm not big fan of crowded beds. LOL

Day 7 Today a bit cooler and cloudy day. Noonish walk along Beach Rd but last night tiring tasks got to me , returned to hotel for 2 hours nap. Age shows thought I but can’t figure better reason to feel tired. One of Ambiance massage boys is parking himself daily just in front of exit from my hotel and accosting me for a massage. Not a bad looking boy so I decided to give him a chance to clear displeasure of one of his co-workers , quite hunky so I placed him in line as well. Ambiance, like all massages in the soi is collecting boy’s minimum tip of 500 up front, I mentioned that and repeat because for uninformed 900 / hr. massage fee may seem to be very steep. Massage was Ok, perhaps even quite good and volcanic eruption at the end , certainly biggest I have seen in a good while warranted doubling his tip plus some more. As soi was coming to life again I sat down at Oscars to talk with boys over beer , this become my routine. Of course one offed previous night was showing some faces over being bypassed last night , clear disadvantage of whoring in the soi where everything is noticed and perhaps commented but I’m prepared for that and take it with humor. When comes to worst , red note will help to smooth things but at end of day it’s clearly visible that boys are used to be bypassed , that’s nature of working in entertainment position. I always buy them a drink , spoiling them perhaps but if I have fun , let them have some too. At one point one talkative reminded me casually that boys are working for money i.e. to indicate subtly that drink is fine but they expect tip as well. Warmed up by visit to Sunee last night with aussie_ I decided to check on Good Boys tonight and walked there , using shortcut past hindu temple in the first soi after baht bus stop it’s only 6 minutes from BT. Few boys were on duty , none standing out but what frosted me a bit was 500 quotation for the show , quite a hike to usual 300. It doesn’t mean more expense for me , just less fun as I have routine going there always armed with 1600, 600 for drinks and 1000 for tips. Anyways grabbed two with instruction of one by one performance and while first one was quite mechanical , was at least well equipped and delivered ! Second one was better , much more passionate choice and only fact that funds on me were limited as stated stopped me from taking him short time somewhere. His girlfriend must be very happy to have such a tool at her disposal I guess. It was another one lurking beside clearly did not get message that I’m underfunded because of rise of ticket price and shoot his load anyways but his reward was paltry 150 leftover after I paid for 3 drinks at 150 each.. I felt a bit bad but on another hand I did not invite nor engage him so it was all volunteer work on his part. So this time expected good time with good boys of Good Boys turned out to be kind of so-so but at least I did my part to support them in their hour of low season need. Walked around the plaza as always but also as always nobody even remotely interesting for me in that twink kingdom Sunee Plaza is. Wait , it was one exception in some bar roughly across from Winners, quite hunky and massive but since my funds were depleted I did not stop by anyways but even for me there’s hope in Sunee I guess. Returned to the room , armed myself with wad of notes and went about grand tour of BT bars as is was Saturday after all. Prisma , very classy décor perhaps best of them all but only few boys , two warranting departing tip of 100 but none creating long lone desire Only one other client but when I entered party of 5 was just leaving without a boy . ABomb , same same , 6 boys , all twinks, one tip , 2 more customers. It used to have more hunky boys but at least today it was just twink , twink , twink. Leaving bar I noticed one of BBB boys sitting in front of bar on motorcycle , talking to one of the boys. I took notice since he is one of their boy I pay close attention to but can’t extract a smile from. Not for much longer though as we will see. Passing by Copa I checked if Ko, another fine specimen from there is on duty as we were supposed to have LT engagement tonight but he was no show so I decided on Cupidol, never been in their new location. Another well appointed and spacious bar , quite well patronized tonight, few boys sitting with customers. Several more on the stage vying for business but again nothing for me although ever inclined to act charitable I called one of the boys, bought him a drink and allowed myself few indecent touches just to give myself excuse to tip him. At 11 p.m. they advertised show at Castro so I went , house was packed , lots of straight couples . Show nothing special but entertaining with lots of energy so drink money and a time well spent. Some lip synch singers really funny, recommended to drop by. Finished past midnight , too early so time for an immense in the known and unknown – back to BBB. Show was over , boys were on the display , second from right was Art, one I saw few hours ago in front off ABomb. He is veteran there , hunky with funny hair style and stands out because his very white skin. Stare is blank when I try to catch an eye contact but I have cure for that, dug out 100 baht and went to tip him. Wai was high and not long after I returned to my seat, perhaps in 25 seconds he turned out toward me and beamed THAT smile. Then we are almost home , waved him over. He did not want long time because his friend and my companion from last night warned him about sleepless night but ‘till 4 OK “ was quoted and accepted with my internal smile of “finally nailed” type. No boy drink , 500 off fee, requested tip of 2000, plenty for Pattaya but not for this kind of specimen so no qualms to agree and soon after we trek across the soi to the room passing by knowing smile of reception girl ( I think she is ladyboy but who cares , smiled nicely). He must be well known as she did not bother with ID request. I tried to convince him that 4 is ghost hour and he better stay till breakfast but his mind was made up but other than that one can’t ask for more. Muscular , very smooth body, good conversational English and knowing well why he was engaged, one of those straights with wife you wonder how really straight they are. In short an absolute gem as far as I can see . What surprised me was great massage skill , I asked if he went to school but he said that he just learned by trying. Certainly one of the best I ever had with fast and long stokes I so like. No way this will be my last with him . He even wanted to come during day tomorrow but I had some plans and so did he and we couldn’t fix agreeable time so it was decided to see what evening brings. Second night in row in nirvana thanks to BBB boys , not as intensive as last one because of shorter time but life is good thought I falling asleep in order to finish day 7 by waking up alone at 10.00 am.

no , this would be unfair to the boy as it would force him to lose face but I'd like to to some bar hopping with you at one time

it was not my intention to torment him , it just happened

not at all, no gifts given , neither forced to nor good hearted. One with motorbike asking for helmet while ago was not working in the bar this time, but his friends from BBB filled void very nicely I haste to say.

they will be singing odes to a beauty of 2nd amendment, just watch

yes and no, I still make bad choices but I think it's part of fun, after all we are dealing with real people who have their good and bad days as well and only part of us they like may be our money

relax , he would do to so you being even handed

not necessarily, Dreamboys, Jupiter ot Tawan boys may expect more but rest may be more approachable money-wise, specially boys from soi 6 bars like Super A , Golden Cock and Nature Boys. Also beer bar boys from soi Twilight bars will not be greedy I guess and some of them are very likable.

and to be honest they are everywhere while hunks are hard to spot and some of them are overdoing it making them less attractive even to me. To put things in perspective , out of couple dozen of boys in BBB I found 4 worth the sin and expenditure, 2 offed, 2 just tipped, rest must wait I like to clear money matters in advance due to experience. Once offed LT boy I dealt with and his friends before so assumed he knows what I pay . In the morning it turned out he was expecting 2000 more than I gave him, unless good actor he seemed sincere in his surprise. I stand my ground but did not like that commotion greed vs. cheap so now I'd not leave a bar without clearing compensation. One of boys this trip when asked how much he wants answered "I will tell you in the room " , I did not take a bait and told him what he will get. it will be a pornstar this trip as well , stay tuned

I'm glad I created a bit of controversy to enliven the thread. I try to answer to some concerns expressed. First to make clear , on day 6 my tip was 4000 not 4000 on top of 3000 agreed originally and 1000 was fair extension price for 3 hrs more. Way I look at the issue is that in order to economize I'm offing too many "also run" boys. I don't whore in my country , stopped it when discovered Thailand and can't care what salary in LOS is. If boys present reasonable request I pay it, if they seem to be too demanding I try to bargain it down in one stroke, as you suggest, either he accepts my offer or me his counteroffer if any. Prolonged haggling would take all fun out of it for me. Other farangs problem is not mine , as you noticed there's plenty fish in the sea and they , like me, have option of economize or paying what boys are attempting to suck out of them. Boys I like, hunky and muscly are somewhat rarer species and they see it , tend to know their worth. Sure I can stand firm by 2000-2500 offer with take or leave approach but I don't fly through half the world to make even. If I like the man, I like to take him home , not upset myself by having my offer rejected or upset him by being cheap . This may affect his performance and I rather have boy clinging to me than save say 1000 and hear at 5.30 that he needs to go home - stay tune for day 8 report to get a taste. I'm not sure I was explicit enough but boy I happily offed on my first night this trip , in May of 2015 left me empty handed in middle of the bar to go with other client even if I accepted his 3500 request for long time , at that time it was 500 more then I EVER paid in Thailand and I was in process of paying off fee to take him out. So it's not like every boy accepts always even very generous offer. Market works both ways. we both were fortunate, it was fun. I take your advice on apps, not planning, knowing me I'd spent too much time glued to the screen, I'm weak when comes to male beauty. I'm not short on self-esteem but your last sentence made my day if not the whole week, Thank you very much !!! specially if you met boy already before. Almost universally if you tipped him well next meeting will be better and next one even better still. second sentence brings to light matter rarely discussed here and good you brought it to the light, why bother if pay is the same. It's why usually at beginning of massage or when I enter room with the boy I make sure I hug them tightly for a few minutes to signal I'm not just into standard motions. And believe me , it's usually me who releases the grip , not the boy. 1. this is in plain view, I visited many bars this trip and in most of them there were boys nice to look at and give them tip just for looks but not offing material for me unless desperate or adventurous / I like to take home twink from time to time just for sake of comparison, Dit from Arena , boy I met more than everybody else is not hunky at all / You criteria / minus black , I like dark smooth skin / are exactly mine but relax if we ever are in the bar at the same time, I'm not competitive at all and have no problem yielding but be warned, I tend to act fast if I see what i like. 2. this trip I witnessed twice Jupiter boys given 1000 baht tips by Chinese ladies just for being on the stage. As for motorcycle I was even given a ride to Hualampong on such a gift boy I offed got from client / lady again, looks that we guys are losing it to ladies / you cutting me short , LOL look at LT rates so far, night 1, 2 and 6- 4000 , night 3 -0, night 4-2000, night 5-2000 / 500 more than boy wanted but look when he left ! /

we covered 5 generations in matter of 3 posts

perhaps we will read in February when you return?

it looks we had the same thought at the same moment, I was typing my piece when you commented

issue is divisive because nation is divided itself on the issue, among my friends I count tenured university professor and a medical doctor, both avid supporters of gun rights so what one can expect from people with a bit narrower view of the world? only thing which would really create some movement on the issue is mass shooting on NRA convention repeated day later on some gun show. Than it would come to light that even if there's one good guy with the gun and stops bad guy , it is always few if not more lives too late. In meantime we people of other nations can only wonder what measures supposedly most advanced country in the world took to control it's population growth - letting it's kids kill each other.

being tired in the evening she could sent her 22 y.o grandson as a substitute and you missed that part