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issue is divisive because nation is divided itself on the issue, among my friends I count tenured university professor and a medical doctor, both avid supporters of gun rights so what one can expect from people with a bit narrower view of the world? only thing which would really create some movement on the issue is mass shooting on NRA convention repeated day later on some gun show. Than it would come to light that even if there's one good guy with the gun and stops bad guy , it is always few if not more lives too late. In meantime we people of other nations can only wonder what measures supposedly most advanced country in the world took to control it's population growth - letting it's kids kill each other.

being tired in the evening she could sent her 22 y.o grandson as a substitute and you missed that part

I also find that taking private tour and guide is worth an expense due to liberty of devoting as much or as little time to a site as you want. With group one is restricted by the program and often inevitably more time is spent on lunch and obligatory visit in commission paying stores than on the site itself. Advantage is that at times some doors are open to groups only, group tours are often much cheaper. So I'd say each option must be weighted on it's own merit. This includes old, fat,ugly lady as a guide. She may be knowledgeable and may have an access to more hidden door than handsome cute young man . ( general comment and in no way related to Sareth , Siem Reap guide we both , I presume , hired)

Is only one boy on the market to whom at one point in the past I was prepared to pay up to 200 USD but never got around to off him then. Wait was fruitful, got him for 2500 ST , watch this space , will be reported soon. I know that some may think I overpaid here and there, truth is all those 3 LT last trip I paid 4000 each were by far the best offs both by quality of time and quality of companion. Economizing did good only to a degree. Saved money but with exception of last 2 nights in PTT produced nothing memorable , just pleasure at the moment and 1 upsetting case- see next report. Both Tawan boys and Keow not only looked great but did their best to ensure I like time spent with them. Can't recall smallest fault on their part so money is not even an issue.Hope I will have a chance to see them in the future too. If I sense they are trying to pull my leg I have no problem of cutting them off. I'm not looking for a love in Thailand but gladly rent it for 500 baht /hr or less.

At least Mr. Keeter had guts to admit he was wrong all along but there are thousands if not millions who will continue to be stubbornly blind until at some time somebody will be moved down in their vicinity. Good luck USA with gun control but is not gonna happen, not under this administration for sure. Only God knows how I wish to be proved wrong.

Day 6 If one bothers to read these reports from rainy season trip may notice that it is actually very little mention of rain. There’s good reason for that, other than first day storm and occasional short drizzle so far there’s no rain. Skies are sunny and only reminder about wet season so far is humid in the air. After boy left I went to soi Post Office to internet café to deal with some e-mails and other internet traffic . I made my tablet working but still don’t like typing on it. Beside me was sitting chatty American, avowed Trump supporter who talked quite a bit and while listening I thought POTUS better delivers because lots of his people have a lot of hopes invested in him. When subject came to European style health care he labelled it as usually Americans do socialist heath care and I resorted that this is not socialist care , it’s members of society taking care about each other. “ I never thought like that” he said , “you gave a lot to think about this afternoon”. So by coincidence I turned out to be a bit of communist agitator corrupting healthy capitalist minds. LOL In the evening small forum meeting at Oscars. From posts here I suspected that there are few members in Pattaya at that time so sent few PM’s asking if they are willing to shake hands with disclaimer that no offence will be taken if they are not interested for whatever reason. Some prefer to be anonymous , others may not like me or my posts , others still may have better idea of vacation fun that meeting with farangs. Williewillie and aussie_ were interested so we arranged for highest level meeting this evening. It gave me a chance to reveal to williewiliie that we were already sitting beside each other 2 days ago and we had a good laugh. Nice conversation over beers and coffee and then aussie_ and me took off to Alt Heidelberg for a dinner and from there to Sunee to survey some bars. While I’m not into twinks at all, I like bar hopping and am not averse to see what other side like aussie_ likes . At least it’s sure thing we will not be fighting about the same boy. I’m not aiming at anybody but at times I’m surprised when people are talking how unsightly Tawan boys are while at the same time admitting they never put foot inside. At least I know what others like and are fond of. Nice Boys were pretty busy with few boys on stage presenting their wares already and willing to show more for a consideration so few tips were distributed. After while we changed scenery to Winners , bar I never was in previously. Less busy than Nice boys with few in the audience and cheapest drinks in industry at 75 baht so for 1000 baht one may have quite a party there. Again, like in Nice Boys quite a few boys nice to look at but none I’d even remotely consider taking home unless very pressed for company but I realize that many would say the same about boys I’m salivating about. As said many times before none is better or wiser and such diversity helps to keep all kinds of boys occupied. Then we decided to see show at XBoys so marched back to BT. Nothing new with show but I think they toned down volume of music thanks heaven . Boy I offed 2 nights ago smiled immediately perhaps hoping for repeat but I had other designs for tonight although not sure it will work. After we left I walked aussie_ to a Jomtien baht bus stop, thank you again for a lovely company and an interesting evening , quite diversified in entertainment . Boys at BBB don’t have numbers now , they wear name tags and had my eyes from day 1 on Keow, hunky hunk who will be at home at Tawan . He did not express much of interest in me, read ‘ not at all ’, no shock here , until I tucked reddie in his briefs during big cock solicitations. And tonight I came in the right , exactly the same moment. He did not forget who generous farang me was , so hasted to come to collect his note with wide smile and I was not about to waste such an opportunity so motioned him to sit down for a usual interview : ‘you go with me’, ‘yes’, ‘long time?’, ‘yes’, “how much you want?”, ‘3500’, ‘3000?’, ‘no 3500’, WTF , this is not a BKK so I tried again ‘I give you 3000”, ‘OK” and my silent ‘ yessssssssssssss” . What a catch ! In meantime waiter was trying to entice me to buy boy drink at 450 but I said no, I’m taking him. Since he is show boy they charged me 800 off fee, no way I’d be forking 450 for a drink particularly that late, earlier it would make sense if only to make sure he will not go astray with some other admirer. Happy, happy me marching with him across the soi to my room, knowing smile of girl on reception was priceless and made me proud of my catch even more. His English is very limited which worked very well since no time was wasted for a conversation and nirvana could be started right away. Very energetic night although we got some sleep and when we opened eyes at 7 a.m. I could not miss that proposal – you stay till 10 and I give you 4000 / readers please stop screaming , see the man first ! /. Money has spoken and I was contemplating next extension but at 10 he mentioned being hungry and I realized I’m as well . At tip distribution was that cold moment I mentioned in another thread, I dug out 1000 baht from pocket , gave to him and his face freeze for a second with an expression not even anger but big disappointment or who knows what but I did not torment him longer than 1.5 seconds and told him he will get what was promised in a moment as I have more money in the box. So another late breakfast , this time with a view of broad shoulders and day 6 was over with very clear pattern visible – I enjoyed those overpaid offs exponentially more than ones I managed to economize on. Thanks God for Thailand where dreams are coming true at reasonable cost. I don’t want even think of how much 10 hr. long , no rush overnight witch such a hunk would cost me at home but certainly several times more than equivalent of 4000 baht plus 800 off fee.

I found this in the website above, it seems sometimes it's too late to smarten up: The lead guitarist of a country music band playing Route 91 Harvest festival, where a gunman murdered 58 people on Sunday night, has said the horrific experience of the attack has changed his views on gun laws in America. “I’ve been a proponent of the [second] amendment my entire life,” Caleb Keeter postedon Twitter. “Until the events of last night. I cannot express how wrong I was.” ................. The feeling, he wrote, “was enough for me to realize that this is completely and totally out of hand.” “We need gun control RIGHT. NOW,” he added. “My biggest regret is that I stubbornly didn’t realize it until my brothers on the road and myself were threatened by it.

yes, but usually off fee is higher and depending on the bar they may be available only after certain hour when crowds in the bar are thinner

is short , boys who are actually dancing , usually on a separate podiums apart from main stage.

this is what I though afterwards, i paid that 800 like a sheep without protest ar trying to bargain , on another hand deal was sealed in presence of two mamasans so I don't think they tried to scam me. Anyways , who cares, that 800 I classified as one of better spent money that trip and this is what counts / at least for me /. Coyote dancers are classified as show boy for that purpose anyways.

what do you think I'm Rambo or Connan the Barabarian?

nothing new as many glob trotting backpackers would agree, theft from locals is less a problem that theft from other travellers specially in dorms at hostels. Or traveller you recognize from your hotel spots you on the market or in restaurant , claims to forget money and asks for small loan to be repaid immediately when back in the hotel never to be seen there again. Had this twice in span of 7 years , hotels we were staying were very small to easy to find me and shockingly perhaps in both cases culprits were Swiss, not nation exactly famous for dishonesty.

you are ruthless bargainer ! Even boy I once wanted to buy such watch for and gave him money to bargain price down with promise he can keep the change did not go that low From where I live I have two time choices of getting to LOL. early afternoon departure with late evening / midddle of the night arrival or middle of the night departure with late morning arrival. I found first option quite easier on both suffering through long flight and fighting jet lag. But still price and connecting time are deciding factor in choosing flight, hell with lag

and this is very good point, good you brought it up. It mat not be comfortable to walk through lobby full of people while in company of farang too old to be his uncle, not a most pleasant part of boy's job. It's why , while walking with boy to the hotel I sense he is not comfortable to walk arm in arm I let them go bit faster or stay behind 2-3 meters if they wish. had that awkward moment last year in Cambodia walking with boy through quite busy porch of River Queen / now 84 hotel/ when all of the sudden everybody paused for second a two including few guests I chatted with before but I smiled and so did they / it was young crowd, ususaly better understanding word ' fuck" and inclined to take it more literally, LOL /

Day 5 That was morning when I finally figured out what is wrong with my tablet ( having it plugged when reinstating power in the room ). We are supposed to be in the middle of rainy season but weather so far is hot , humid and sunny. I took motorsai taxi to Bali Hai pier to see that new Pattaya’s toy – ferry to Hua Hin. There’s only one sailing a day and ferry already departed but two other identical vessels were still moored at the pier, costly back up I thought. I got that bright idea that if I decide to extend my stay in Pattaya I will make day trip to Hua Hin and back just to see how it is. Then meandering through walking Street and adjacent alleys I came to 2nd Rd to catch baht bus to Jomtien as another option I’m entertaining in case of extension is to move to 2 nights there. I went for a walk along the beach , now partially demolished due to all that construction and walking along concessions for a first time this trip I realized that it is low season as chairs were empty everywhere. Perhaps timing was partial culprit, it was between 1-2 so lunch time but quite empty it was. Going back toward Jomtien complex I was tempted to stop in Bamboo bar since it seemed to be well staffed and patronized for time of day but decided to keep walking. Jomtien complex was deserted at that time with one exception when I was passing by – Fah massage was sporting more than half dozen guys lingering at front and all of them quite attractive so after surveying realm of complex it was no way I could resist temptation. Problem of which boy to choose I solved easily simply by grabbing nearest one. Lao boy named Chai, left me to take a shower , returned shortly after and started massage with fast and long stokes I like . Heat in the room most likely was reason he shed his clothing almost immediately and things went their natural course. It was great time , 300 for the house, 1000 for the visibly happy boy. On departure checked boys again and truly if I stay there I’d run through the whole stable since all of them looked attractive. Unheralded and rarely mentioned place but quite a gem in my not so humble opinion. Returning to Pattaya I had another moment of enlightenment with an idea of returning to Bangkok by the airport bus instead of one departing for Ekkamai from North bus Station. Rest of afternoon spent wandering around the Tuk Com and Sunee Plaza, still deserted that early but I noticed some congregation of farangs having a dinner in Ting Tong Red and recalled it must be Gaybutton’s crowd meeting for their Thursday meal. Back in Boyztown I took a seat at Oscars , got my Chang and started light flirting with their boys one of them quite talkative and funny, feminine type not shy to admit “ I’m a lady at heart” and another one tall and handsome, manly but a bit more reserved. I was supposed to have another massage with Kao at Copa and true to Boyztown form as soon as he arrived somebody from there spied me sitting at Oscars , came and told me that he is there already so off I went. Since yesterday I told him that next time I will be massaging him he resigned to his fate and succumbed to my mutilations and I was in 6th heaven having a chance to do that to his near perfect , highly caressable body. It would be nirvana to have him long time I thought. Added 100 to yesterday’s tip to extract a smile and returned to Oscars boys for more fun talk with hope one tall and handsome will be willing to do time with me till morning. It was actually him who suggested “ I go with you”, very inexpensive proposal at 1500 / LT so not before long we were marching to Walking street to see the traffic, have a beer and return home for a quite passionate and long meeting. World saw us going down for a breakfast as late as noon if not later . Always good hearted I volunteered to up his tip to 2000 and judging by his smile it was good move. Thus day 5 was over very late.

Jet lags are killing me at either end and usually 2nd and 3rd days are worse than 1st. I don't take any chemical stuff in order to fight it , like reader above i try to fight it by listening to my body. What helps is that I generally don't sleep long hours and even on Sunday wake up at 6-6.30. What I noticed it that with age lag suffering becomes worse and worse but there's benefit too - long haul flights become more and more bearable.

I'm also frequent user of motorbike taxis and never neither in BKK nor in PTT had any impression I'm in dangerous situation. In Saigon once I took motorbike taxi all the way from airport downtown to my hotel and as one can see, survived to tell the tale.

I actually find more sexy if boys are somewhat dressed, skimpy briefs would do. Complete nudity tastes better in the room than in the bar where I have impression I'm dividing my joy among others while in the room I have boy's charms , whatever they are just for myself.

always waiting for that elusive smile do move on an off but don't despair, I DID off Keow of BBB and you will read about it very soon

perhaps you are right although I took my boy after second show and I doubt they have another one and still was required to pay 800. Perhaps I should bargain it down. My axe-murderer from there was absent during my stay but I'm glad I found two suitable substitutes.

when i travel that far I'm looking for ways of having fun and overlooking obstacles if any. It looks that this was second time I liked Pattaya part of Thai trip better than BKK one, economy was some factor but just some. I agree about BBB prices but I gladly paid those . For me XBoys while nice are more also runs in comparison to ones I like at BBB. Never used apps and perhaps time to start but I don't want to spent vacations glued to a screen and combing offers, rather to it analog way sitting in the bar when I see what I may or may not buy.

I'm not saint here , I simply don't take people's pictures too often, boys , old aunties or whomever. Topic of posting pictures was discussed many times and I agree with your assessment, protecting their privacy is on top of my list although sometimes I think they don't mind as long as it would help them to be more in demand. Quite a few times , including last trip, boys asked me if I want to take their photos before I even ask and were quite adventurous and revealing with what they wanted to show without putting any condition on publishing. Even in such a case I keep what I took for myself. Internet never forgets so it pays to be vigilant. To be even handed I don't agree when boys want to take my pictures either.

Day 4 – evening Rumbling become too long so I split day 4 into two parts, first available to everybody and second one restricted to 20 y.o. and over. Dressed in new shiny shorts after making sure contents of all 11 pockets from old ones were transferred properly to corresponding in the new garment I parked myself over beer in the last chair outside of Castro bar in front of BoyzBoyzBoyz ( BBB ).to my left it was some potted bush and on other side of bush two farangs were chatting. As it turned out later one of them was Williewillie from our forum . I met him before but somehow neither one of us recognized other even if from exchanging PM we both knew we will be there. In meantime in front of Copa I noticed Kao, masseur I met twice in December when he had morning shift there but now I learned he has another job in Baan Suoy so is only moonlighting at Copa. Couldn’t be happier seeing him and even more when saw smile on his face when he noticed me. Well built yet still super cute smooth eye candy with very good massage skills and hair style I like. In all massage places in BT they charge minimum tip up front so when you pay 900 , 400 goes to the shop and 500 to the boy, just make sure you ask if in doubt. But sensing that I’m already familiar with boy I was charged 400 house fee only after receptionist asked something Kao in Thai, most likely something “Am I charging that dick your tip or no? “ I guess . Happy , happy with prolonged body to body part , well deserved 1200 tip met with smile and an appointment met already for tomorrow but I told him tomorrow I will massage him as such a well proportioned body can’t be wasted to sweat over my carcass and LT was out of question because of his day time job. Did not cross my mind to offer to buy him out for a day from that job. Not very talkative but pure three times distilled pleasure to be with that man. One of those I could off LT just for hand holding session ( getting hot in here, let me open the window) . Energized by massage and recognized by one of mamasans lurking outside I went to BBB hoping Bank, boy I offed 10 times already including taking him to Bangkok for a few days back in 2015 will be there but unfortunately no and I learned later that he will not be there next week either . Good thing I did not look into mirror to see my long face although BBB is not short of attractive boys and quite a few are my type including one tall hunk of Tawan proportions named Keow. Show was about to start so all boys were parading on the stage , unfortunately all of them in jeans or track pants and only some shirtless. So yes , it was wall to wall cock as always but this time somewhat hidden. Show more or less follows known format with violin playing to blowing wind , drum banging and most important big cock show with participants parading through an audience looking for tips. I outwaited many suitors until said Keow showed up nearby tucking 100 baht into his briefs, no better way to extract that smile. Drink in BBB is 280 but if you want to invite boy to sit with you his drink rises to Bangkok proportion whopping 450. Apparently this is to ensure that boys are receiving something for time spent with customers taking them from the pool but skimping on tip. There’s logic in it I learned few days later when boy I was willing to grab was sitting with some lady throughout and as I learned later , tipped for his pains 100 baht , missing not only my off but any off that night. Off fee is 500 and if you are taking buy who is in the show it’s gigantic 800. Before midnight I changed scenery to XBoys in soi 1, just in time for their midnight show. Boy with silicone cock is gone , show is that same like always with 5 performers and at end we were treated with spectacle of SPECIAL SHOW. Two Chinese visitors were so excited with what they saw that they did not even wait until actors will start their round among audience but climbed stage with fists full of banknotes , probing with hand if thing is really THERE and tipping lavishly. Watching their excitement was truly best part of the show. Kids in candy store at it’s best . Music level finally toned down at XBboys. I did not want to venture anywhere else in search of pillow for the night so grabbed one of show boys, not one from special show though , ensured that he does long time , 2000 asked and approved. Before we landed in the room went to seafood restaurant on the corner , one with metal tables and had a meal and conversation. Nothing spectacular in the room but not bad either, after all for half of Tawan price I’d be last to complain. I liked his no rush attitude and conversational English so we emerged for breakfast at 9.30 only but in New Café Royal that’s no problem as breakfast is served till 5.15 p.m. And this is how day 4 was over.

Day 4- day When coming to Thailand somehow I never had any pull toward Pattaya. It took me 9 trips before I ventured there and even that only for 2 days and I did not like it. Too many dour faced old farangs and to top it, my both LT offs were disastrous. But some members, Pattaya defenders like 1moRussian , anonone or firecat encouraged me to give her a chance so I did and second time seemed better so ever since every trip has Pattaya component. Last December I was there only two days and first time since fall of Troy I actually liked that part better than Bangkok one, also short with 5 days there including day of arrival and departure. So when preparing for this trip I decided to book record 5 nights there with option of extending by another two if I will be inclined to with firm resolution that decision will be made on my last, 5th day. If extended I entertained option of staying in Boyztown ( BT )where I always do or moving either to Sunee or Jomtien for those 2 extra nights. After lonely night in the cold bed and Foodland breakfast I packed and went to Ekkamai bus station this time deciding on taking a bus despite van driver waving at me from the distance. Vans from there are bit more expensive 120 vs. 108 for a bus but drop you at vicinity of your hotel for free or 20 baht extra depending on the whim of driver I guess. Somehow did not feel like seating in cramped van and opted for bus comforts , particularly that next one was departing in 20 minutes or so. Even that short wait was shortened with chat with some farang and young black guy from Belgium. In Pattaya bus station songtaew mafia has vehicles waiting and will deliver you close to hotel for 50 baht at least if located in Central Pattaya , no experience with Jomtien ones. If one wants to economize , can dross the road and stop baht bus / songtaew / and go for 10 or 20 if change at Delphin roundabout is required but coming from place where bus ticket costs 80 baht I found 50 reasonable. Always stay in one of three BT hotels ( New Café Royal, Copa and Ambiance ) and don’t have any preference for any of them , always go by the price or a deal like breakfast included. This time it was New Café Royal, I even splurged for more costly Executive room , not much more spacious than Standard one but with breakfast included for 42 USD I found it great deal / one of the days that follow that breakfast actually was only meal I had in a whole day and it kept me running throughout /. Advantage of staying in BT is being in the thick of action with everywhere close but with good you need to take a bad - whole soi will see and comment on whom , when and for how long you are taking home. So be aware that your last night stand or yesterday massage boy may give you evil eye next day or day after because you decided to lavish your affection on somebody else. But with bad comes good, when I asked for particular massage boy from Copa he was not there but when he arrived somebody came to me sitting at Oscars , bar two door over and told me Kao is already there. Altogether I found it to be friendly and good value location, not for shy types though and sometimes with late night noise issues but living on busy street I never have problems with noise seeping into room while in BT. One of receptionists there is a boy well built and cute like hell and passing by I can’t help but wonder how he looks like when less dressed so to speak but never had a courage to make a move and try to check if such a survey would be possible but it’s an eye candy pleasant to smile at 10 times per hour. After settling in and desoiling I went for an usual ‘ what changed since last time “ stroll noticing new bar 360 in Pattayaland soi 1 and now closed Vassa, only bar there I never put my foot inside and it looks I never will. Old Happy Place bar location still vacant with name still shown. On the Beach Rd toward walking street is Alt Heidelberg, German restaurant which is my favourite feeding place and their Wiener Schnitzel with homemade fries is almost like Mom used to make for us when we were kids. It shows a bit of age , to correspond with ‘Alt” (old in German) in the name I guess but it was great relief to see it’s still there. On my way in one of stands on the street I spied nice patterned cotton shirt so lavished 150 baht on myself to let poor to know how rich people are living. After the meal more shopping since I decided finally to check Central Festival mall never being there in my 6 previous visits in PTT. 10 baht for baht bus from 2nd rd and 5 minutes later I was in to find myself back outside another 5 minutes later realizing I did not sit 18 hrs on the plane just to see another standard shiny , chain shops infested mall and opted for Pattaya Night market across the street. I’m not shopper at all but like wandering through exotic markets even if they are aimed at tourists but had a reason to visit – I need new shorts as one I brought started fraying and not being of high quality could disintegrate fast any time , God forbid on my way to church for example. I like type with plenty pockets locked with Velcro as I found them useful for my system of distributing spending money all over me , 1000 here , 700 there and 500 in the back pocket and so on. It took me while to find what I wanted but I did and 380 baht happier , shorts in the daypack heavier returned home. (rest of day will be reported later on today )

that would be great !