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Lets face it we each fell in love with our own cocks at puberty, but now we just can't wait to get our hands on other people's cocks, preferably cute Thai boys. We look at a boy dancing in his pants or even just walking down the soi in his jeans and we wonder - just what is he hiding down there? Will he be a grower or a shower? Will it be long or short?, wide or thin?. Will it be pretty and smooth?, or will it be all rough and vein-ey? Will it be straight, curved or even bent to one side? Is a small cock a deal breaker?, does a large cock scare you - or don't you care? Just how important is the size/shape/appearance of a boys cock to you when you are choosing a boy for the night? The only certain thing is that there is an infinite variety out there. Personally I have a horrible fascination with big cocks, ones I need both hands to wank-off, ones that almost make you choke when you try and get the head in your mouth. But only to play with, not for penetrative sex. If I am looking for a bottom I don't worry so much about the length, but width is absolutely a deciding factor. Anything too wide and I know its going to hurt too much. Otherwise I have a totally nonchalant approach. One or two lads this trip had quite small cocks - but no matter - I am happy to make the very best of whatever they have. So for me cock size is important, but not as important as the 'total package' of the boy attached to it.

I have just returned from 20 nights in Pattaya -calling into Toy Boys almost every night - its far and away the most lively boy bar in Boyztown IMHO with some really lovely lads in there. It was absolutely my favourite bar once again for this holiday. Some nights, at the times I went in, I/we was/were almost the only customers - but more often than not there was a fair sprinkling of others. And yes, although most of the customers were the 'more mature' gay farang, there were often ladies in there - and they were spending money are barfining as well. It would seem the staff and the boys are quick to spot the potential of customers - favoured ones get plenty of staff attention and the boys are lining-up facing them and putting on their most winsome smiles and flirting away. Others seemingly just get ignored to nurse their beers alone.

Works well

Meanwhile - back in the sauna - the boys are waiting! LOL

Haha, we could have every THai boy in the place with their pants around their ankles at the same time LOL That would invite comparisons and no doubt some competition, I would need quite a few drinks for 'Dutch Courage' though LOL

Well spotted, you were paying attention and I wasn't - my mind must have been elsewhere hahaha I shall hopefully be in town on that day - so do I call in at Goodboys at 8pm or not? LOL

So how did the visit go?

The Goodboys and indeed Eros are right for you. I have never been (yet) to Sansuk Sauna off the road out to Jomtien - but that also sounds perfect for your needs.

Haha, enjoy, I shall not be back for a couple of weeks yet, Oddly I don't mind how many of the other boys watch or want to join in, but I would be shy of other farang watching yet alone joining in.

For every Thai boy out there trying to get the maximum they can for ST/LT there is a Farang trying to pay as little as possible for the same. For me I wouldn't dream of paying less than 1k baht for a ST and 2k baht for a LT, even when (actually particularly when) a boy is desperate for cash. But conversely I would be reluctant to pay more than 2k for ST or 3k for LT. Some farang don't like to negotiate - they just pay the lad afterwards and expect them to be grateful with what they are given. I never do; I like to to agree upfront on their tip, or at least their basic tip, and indicate how they might earn a 'bonus' on that. I like the lad to walk away afterwards feeling that, at the very least, he has been treated fairly.

If they are short of potential undergraduates it is pertinent to as just how much state help is currently offered to potential students from poorer backgrounds in Thailand? I help one lad with his accountancy degree in a Bangkok University; his twice yearly semester fees total about 25,000 baht (£600) a year (plus I add his monthly room rent), not a large amount for us - but for a dirt poor Issan family like his it is a huge ask.

All depends ............... And depends on what you mean by 'hank-panky' of course. Best to assume not, different bars (and different boys) will take a view on what is allowed - and that can also vary from time of day and number of customers etc. etc. Them sitting with you is essentially just for company, and maybe for more of an interview if you are thinking about barfining them. If you have called then off the stage or invited them over to join you then I would say there is an expectation that you will be buying them a boy-drink (same as yours just more expensive LOL) for their time and company. If thinks are going well you may both be getting a little flirty, a kiss, a touch - just got to see where it goes and where it leads. In my experience most bars will draw the line at exposed cocks (except in certain bars in Sunee Plaza of course LOL). So loose fitting trousers/shorts can be an advantage at times. And if you are getting (discretely) intimate then a second drink or a tip of 100 baht when you leave would be considered polite. Visit the bar without expectation and you will not be disappointed, and you may even be pleasantly (and indeed pleasurably) surprised.

The Soi 6 girls divide their customers into Mr Horny and Mr Lonely; to the former they will be a pornstar, to the latter they will be your girlfriend - be it for one hour, one day or one week. Often as not they will then be adopting an entirely different persona for their next customer. So the boys are naturally just as capable of massaging our hearts as they are our cocks. If they can get us to like them, even love them, they have netted a regular customer who is likely to treat them well, perhaps even generously. Its mostly fake of course, just like Disneyland - but that doesn't mean we shouldn't enjoy the experience.

Ok, so to cut against the grain a little bit here, I have seen a range of mamasans in girl, LB and boy bars. A few are undoubtedly monsters, but by no means all. A good mamasan will know all their working boys/girls, they will know the gays, straight or in-between, they will know the sort of customers they normally go with and react well with. They will be trying to get customers for their boys/girls as well as sell drinks for the bar etc - and of course they would like a drink too. Now forgive me if some of these next comments relate to some of the girl bars, as I have a longer history with some of them. The mamasans I know well will point me in the direction of new girls, and they will reassure a nervous new arrival that I am 'safe' to go with. They absorb feedback from both me and from the girl as to how the short/long time went and that in turn helps advise the next customer, etc. etc. They know that if I am happy I will return either for the same girl or another from their bar. They know that, kept happy, I will usually spend some coin and have a good time in their bar. I am not for one moment suggesting that they are all paragons of virtue, but some are, and they are well worth cultivating.

Some really good points here. Mostly we have learnt to read the signals as we chat with the boy and either 'go for it' or 'move on' as the mood dictates. But sadly there are those instances where either alcohol has clouded our judgement or where our cocks are completely ruling our heads and we press ahead regardless of the baht involved or those little warning signs that the lad's heart will not be in this encounter.

Good point, Sunee is certainly more discretely located, although easy to get to once you know where it is - if that makes sense. Boyztown, like Walking Street is a bit of an institution and may survive anyway, its places like Soi 7 and 8, and even Soi 6 that seem to me to be under far greater threat of re-development, but who knows what, if anything, will happen.

There are times when I return to my room a semi-molten, sweating hulk and I am desperate for the air con to be on for a while at least. But I also try very hard these days to sleep with it off and just manage with the room fan. Added to which cold boys sleep either clothed or with at least one white towel wrapped around them under the sheets whereas a warm boy either sleeps naked or in his little pants - no contest really is there? LOL

We all have to watch our budgets, indeed I am probably facing a reduced daily budget this coming trip But that said, generally on my holidays, time is even more precious than money; getting the best I can out of each day. If I see a lad who is carbonating my hormones just by smiling at me, am I really going walk away over an extra 500 baht or even an extra 1,000 baht? As long as I don't do it every day I would rather enjoy the experience and capture the memories than go off in search of second best for the night. I don't have many regrets from my Thai holidays, but of those, most are for hesitating rather than grabbing the opportunities that present themselves. Fortunately Toy Boys is full of little opportunities LOL

To follow on from my earlier post in this thread I readily accept that I overpay compared with others. My favourite at Toy Boys I first met when he worked across the soi in Scandic (?) Massage where you paid at reception a flat fee of 1,500 for massage 'and sex with boy'. Now with the aid of Cialis I rarely have a problem 'rising to the occasion' several times a day, but I do have difficulty in emptying my tanks. So I made a bargain with this lad - I would give him an extra 500 baht if he actually got me to cum. Not surprisingly he would go to great efforts to ensure that I did, in fact his success rate rapidly outstripped all my other regulars of whatever gender. So when he moved over to Toy Boys I naturally kept this going - except, as I said, word got round and other boys wanted the same. But for me this lad remains in a different class - and believe me he still absolutely earns his tip.

I find it handy to change 1,000 baht note into 100s before I go in - a steady supply of tips equates to a steady supply of cocks to play with hahaha

A distinction without a difference perhaps? LOL Whats more, you can either peel them off the boy one at a time or both at the same time, After all, it is what you find underneath than counts hahaha

In Toy Boys they would frequently wear their 'tighty-whities' over another pair of pants, Just another layer to peel away LOL

Bugger the shopping - get on with the shag-fest! Hahahaha (Nice start BTW )

I think Sunee Plaza is seriously under-rated, it has a more laid-back feel to it than BoyzTown, although Eros and Good Boys are certainly not for the shy or faint-hearted.

As Vinapu says we all set our own personal limits in terms of the tips we are prepared to give the boys, I have taken quite a few boys from Toy Boys. One of my favourites I have known for a few years now I always give 2k for ST or 3k for LT - trouble is all the others expect the same from me now - yes they all talk to each other! LOL So I have made a rod for my own back I guess - but actually in terms of other agogos I think that is pretty standard now for Pattaya. Some of the Walking Street girl agogos (Sapphire/What's Up/Baccara etc) ask for 3k for ST and 4 or 5k for LT - I just mention that for comparison. I have paid 1k for ST and 2k for LT in some of the beer bars, But we will each have our own views, if the boy likes you he may go for less, if he doesn't he may up the fee to put you off. Although right now, in the depths of low-season its a buyers-market out there. Whatever tip you agree on I would also be nailing down what you will get for that and how long he will stay, etc.