macaroni21

Welcome to the forum. Just so we're clear: you're visiting Phuket soon and you hope to organize a double-twink orgy, right? Although you didn't explicitly say so, are you asking how to go about organizing one? Or have you already figured it out from previous threads? Your more explicitly stated concern is about safety. Much depends on whether you have a safety box in your apartment or room and whether you have a bed big enough for 3 people. If you don't, you may wish to consider a using cheap room in a separate hotel with multiple beds, and not using your regular room. You need only pay for one night for your party.

For those 2 days on the boat, meals took the form of instant noodles and whatever the itinerant vendors sell. In short: it was fun. Hard seats on long boat. But those who swear by Business Class may curse every moment of the trip.

I did that trip more recently, just before COVID, so it still runs, but I went in the reverse direction. I took a long boat from Luang Prabang upriver to Huay Xai/Chiang Khong, the nearest river landing to Chiang Rai. More accurately, the long boat docked at Huay Xai, which is the town on the Lao side of the Mekong, directly opposite Chiang Khong. From Huay Xai I had to bus over a bridge to Chiang Khong complete with border formalities. The long boat trip took 2 days and 1 night with a sleepover in a village called Pak Beng halfway up the river. From Chiang Khong, I took a bus to Chiang Rai. About 3hours, mountain roads. I'm talking local busses, not tour coaches. You sit tightly with a vegetable seller and a hairdresser on their way to the big city (Chiang Rai). this is not a trip you do with luggage. A backpack is all you can have with you. The river banks can be muddy and steep. Don't imagine pulling a roller suitcase behind you.

Just a word of thanks to @reader for these news updates that are posted from time to time. They keep those of us outside Thailand updated on changes so we're not surprised when we do arrive in Thailand. One small thing about the above news story though: it says "providing a solution to reduce congestion at the main terminal"... But the worst congestion, when it happens, tends to happen at immigration. I don't suppose a satellite terminal does anything for that.

Story doesn't say if they adjusted for the increase in average height of adult males over the last 30 years. Nor which countries.

Maybe it's because most travellers are no longer new to Thailand and thus don't need guides, whereas they're still new to Vietnam.

The above quote is from your opening post, but now that you have made your intentions clearer, perhaps some of us can give you more specific advice. As Vinapu said in his first reply, your best venue is Tawan Bar. They generally have several bodybuilder types though it depends also on whether it is competition season or not. If you're also interested in guys who are fit and gymmed but not bodybuilder type, then Jupiter bar might serve your needs too. From a gogo bar like Tawan and Jupiter, you can call any guy you fancy to come sit with you and you buy him a drink. He will engage in small talk with you (may depend on his language skills) and eventually, if you wish, you can ask him whether he will go back to your hotel room with you. You need to be clear whether you want "short time" or "long time". Short time is usually 60-90 minutes. Long time means he stays/sleeps till morning. The boy will tell you how much he wants for ST and LT. some boys do not do LT. You don't have to say in any great detail what you want to do within that time since your intentions are not very demanding. (If you want to top him or you are hoping for bondage, etc, then you SHOULD get his agreement beforehand.) The boy may be a bit surprised if, in the hotel room, you don't really want to proceed all the way to sex, but he is not going to insist. Remember, these guys have seen many different types of clients. Do not expect or even ask for a discount just because you don't intend to proceed to sex. You're paying for his time. Vinapu also mentioned 3 massage places with bigger boys. They are "bigger" by Asian standards, not by European standards. Very few bodybuilder types. On some days, none. I am not sure how they will respond in a massage place if you're only interested in body worship (I won't even call it muscle worship), because in a massage place, they have a certain protocol to perform a massage. If you don't want a massage, they may be confused. If you do want a massage, then that's well and fine. The massage shop will usually tell you what the shop's price is and what the expected tip for your chosen boy is. Don't be afraid to ask. Hope above helps.

Bangkok could have kept its status as a hub connecting incoming travellers from Europe, Japan, Korea, China, India and Australia to various destinations in southeast Asia and to each other of these further regions. If it had, Thai would have had good use of the A380s. Basically, Thai failed to keep up with its regional competitors such as Singapore Airlines. The latter flies 14 A380s according to a quick websearch I did. It just shows how bad the management of Thai has been.

Point taken. I don't know what Scott456's intention was but I for one wasn't trying to change the OP's mind or travel plans. I was merely trying to manage his expectations. I got the sense from his opening question that he might not be familiar with the Thai scene. Typically, when one is not familiar, one maps one's existing assumptions onto the new field. He stated his height (190 cm) and then said he was looking for someone "fit" and "big". In Europe or North America, this would mean a certain physique with height perhaps over 180cm, weight perhaps over 90 or 100 kg. There are fit and big Thais - but meeting those European standards? Don't expect too many.

I have, though it must have been 12-15 years ago and I don't recall the details. But I do recall that Iguazu Falls was fantastic and the sex a close second. I think I only had two guys though, as I only knew of one sauna and nowhere else. One was a hunk, the other a twink. But I don't wish to hijack the thread so I will stop here (though hazy memory doesn't leave me with much to say anyway.) But my general impression is similar to what you said - there is perhaps more variety in Brazil, in skin tone, in size, in hairiness, than in Thailand. Am about to leave for another, longer, visit soon.

Another reason why I prefer Asian countries: good quality massage is easy to find.

I think Scott456 is right. "Muscle guys" mean different things in Brazil and Thailand. The OP said he was 190 cm and looking for big guys, which I take to mean guys of comparable height, plus build. For those ( especially if they are bottoms) whose focus is narrowly on bodybuilder types with humongous dicks, the chance of success in Brazil is way higher than in Thailand. And likely costs less too. For others, like me, who have a wider range of acceptable physiques, Thailand works just as well maybe better since hotels and food in Thailand cheaper too. And as others have mentioned, there's no comparison re safety.

Frippe, you may need to be more specific about your situation, and be more exact about the words you use. Otherwise you may get conflicting advice. If you are holding a Swedish passport, then you are "visa-exempt" for 30 days from date of arrival. You would have gotten an arrival stamp on your passport with date of admission and last date for departure included within the same stamp. I am also from a visa-exempt country and that is what I get each time I enter Thailand. Please do not refer to that arrival stamp as a "visa" or "visa on arrival". It is not a visa at all. When you flew out of Thailand, you would have gotten a departure stamp in your passport. That departure stamp effectively cancels your arrival stamp. So, that means that once you leave Thailand, that arrival stamp is no more. You can enter Thailand again at anytime and get a new 30-day arrival stamp. I have done that many times. My trips to southeast Asia often involve more than one country, so for example, I go to Bangkok, then to Jakarta, then to Singapore, then back to Bangkok... all in the same month. When i enter Bangkok a second time (in same month), I get a new arrival stamp. Obviously, you shouldn't do this like 25 times a year. It will arouse suspicion.

The short videos posted above of this bar reminded me of Krazy Dragon in sunnee. Although I was never a fan of Sunnee because the boys were often too skinny, too fem or too young (or all 3), I did have some fun evenings at Krazy Dragon. DoDo might do well to recreate something of that bar. Although Krazy Dragon had a gogo stage which would not be possible in Jomtien Complex, the stage was not key to it's success. It was that the boys would literally come dance on your table. With their loose shorts - another thing DoDo can copy - the boys' appendages were often flapping away beneath the thin textile (no underwear of course). And they were game for a grope or two, for a tip.

My feelings exactly. Having made as many visits as I have I think I know Thailand is not the place (for me) for longer than a few weeks. It's great when one's focus is a sexcapade. Not a place for settling down and dealing with cultural differences, language and bureaucracy. As Olddaddy pointed out, one will need something else to do besides boys. I like the thrill of looking forward to a visit and arriving. Staying will not give me the same thrill.

If he had meant 43,000 Australian dollars a month as pension, I should be planning to move to Australia. But back to the topic, maybe we shouldn't assume that those on a tight budget are miserable. They may still decide they're happier in Thailand than back home, all things considered. I think of it this way: when younger I travelled on a shoestring budget. They were the happiest times of my life. I don't think I would have the same experience if I had money to splash around.

One favourite that is definitely gone was located at the corner of Soi Twilight and Suriwong Road. The number of times I patronised that place, sometimes with boy de la nuit in tow! But seriously, I wonder why Family Mart outlets have so drastically declined in number when 7-11s have grown. I've never found any real difference between the two chains; I'd go to whichever was nearer. Were other customers choosier, I wonder? Causing Family Mart to do worse per store than 7-11?

I got the same warning when I tried to access via my laptop with Microsoft Edge. Now accessing via Chrome on my phone, no problem.

Vinapu's explanation that it is the boy's interest to register his off with the bar (even if it was 6pm and the bar wouldn't be open yet) is credible. Even if that wasn't the guy's motivation, I think it speaks to his integrity as a sort-of- employee to make sure the bar got its cut. You appreciated his honesty earlier when he reminded you that he had already received his fee. There's no reason to think he is not honest with his boss.

I think the police handled the situation well. Their first objective must be to diffuse the situation especially when there are many members of the public around. What I expected however was that he should have been arrested for taking several swings at an officer, and with an implement too. He should have been arrested and then charged. Finding him guilty should not be difficult. I am surprised they found him another flight and waved goodbye.

This raises a good question: What do lesbians want when they travel?

Not being a retiree, I can only make short visits to Thailand, or anywhere else in Southeast Asia, for that matter. So, as mentioned above, paid sex at business locations is the most time-effective way to get what I need. Except when one is hiring someone one has engaged before, it's always hit and miss. Paid sex hired through various digital platforms (also hit and miss), I have tried and given up. As have some of my friends for similar reasons - fake pictures, badly delayed arrival, the inconvenience of having to meet outside first, etc. Someone I know even had security issues with a guy he invited to his hotel despite meeting outside beforehand and paying for expensive coffee. Fortunately I haven't been in a similar situation. I am realistic enough to recognise that since I do not want to have sex with someone like me, I really shouldn't expect anyone to be offering free sex to me. And yet, off and on, it has happened. Once in a while I still find myself being cruised on the streets or the metro. More often than not, they are not my type anyway, usually, a bit too fem and not because they are too old - I have relatively wide acceptability ranges for age and body types. I'm not someone who must have 20-something twinks or muscle jocks. But at my age, I have to pinch myself when I think someone is cruising me. Is this really happening? Why does he want my body? And then I start to think, oh he must be a moneyboy (sometimes a 45-year-old moneyboy)... but even when we get to talking, it's really hard to broach the subject to establish for sure whether it's going to transactional or not. It can cause offence, especially when expressed badly in a foreign language. Yet unless it is clear, the uncertainty can complicate how to proceed. So, and I hate to say it, even in these rare occasions when I am cruised, I tend to turn down the offers. That said, there was one recent instance in Bali which not only was non-transactional but turned out great. The next dayI asked myself, now how many potentially great encounters have I missed out on because I tend to be too careful?

It usually is every time the Thai Police gets involved in an investigation.

I made an abortive attempt last December to give them a bit of business. You can read about the car wreck here: https://shamelessmacktwo.travel.blog/2022/12/28/bad-omens/ In short, I have no idea what the inside of the shop looks like or what their standards are. Sorry, can't be of more help. IMHO, there is no need whatsoever to make massage bookings two weeks in advance. Most places can accommodate walk-ins. Others may ask you to book in advance, but even so, in my experience, they're not set up to handle bookings more than half a day ahead.

Indeed I do, but when it comes to myself, I am at a loss for words. Perhaps "non-descript" will have to do for now.🤣