On 7/27/2025 at 12:04 PM, spoon said:

 Like @ichigo mentioned above, why settle with one guy when there are so many choices in Bangkok?

 

if we genuinely like guy and feel good ii his company, I'd say  why not ? Of course we need to looks for signs of boredom and complacency but so called quasi boyfriend experience can be quite pleasant if both sides are working on it.

Boy hopping may bring new discoveries  but also  disappointments and misspent money.

Ideal situation is to have stable of regulars to return to  plus occasional, say every 2-4 days foray for new unknown.

In any case of repeat we must be careful to avoid situation when boy is trying to take ownership  of us by trying to modify our agenda of " I want go to Asiatique" or "I want eat Japanese  food" type  or starts to create additional financial requests.  If we notice it , in my opinion and I'm not born yesterday is to react immediately either by voicing displeasure or cutting him off. sometimes it may be hard but when we avoid it , soon enough we will be reminded why it was mistake as new requests will arrive  and  smartphone will take precedence over our good time like in case of OP

8 hours ago, jason1975 said:

4k a day for holiday together seems fair price to pay.

I agree but as we see from quoted example of boy offering to take  cut of 50% of his fee, there's a lot of room for negotiation.

8 hours ago, Daniu said:

It's possible to see the situation from his perspective regarding the pricing. What you're asking for appears to involve more extensive demands than a standard bar interaction. The request for what sounds like: 30 consecutive days of engagement, with a new customer, with daily BFE, from a straight man, and in a non-native language, sounds like a significant commitment. This could explain why only a minor reduction in his rate might not be appealing

reminds me two  customers in my working days, both plumbers.

One  was accepting only big , substantial jobs and was mentally and financially prepared to wait for next opportunity. He wouldn't want to come just to install new faucet. Another one  was opposite, wanted only fast and easy jobs gladly installing new toilet but forget about him to agree to change piping in whole  building. First was doing better financially , another one had more of free time on his hands. Both were  happy

2 hours ago, vinapu said:

I agree but as we see from quoted example of boy offering to take  cut of 50% of his fee, there's a lot of room for negotiation.

Indeed, though in my case he had just earned 24,000 bt in 6 days so he was able to feel more flexible. And I like to show a man a good time. 

10 hours ago, a-447 said:

 

It's important for me to sit down with the guy at the beginning and come to a mutually satisfactory arrangement regarding price and what we expect from each other. I think the arrangement must be good for both of us.

 

I adhere to this advice and what I noticed is that while  compensation part seems to be adhered to, when comes to living arrangements , not quite , even if it was clearly settled. I always make disclaimer that if I bring another boy for that time   I like to be left alone and undisturbed and room vacated until alarm is called off. Still had cases , I recall at least two, one of them quite recent , when it created  offence and even triggered penalty from boy in form of sleeping dressed that night ( guest came during day). 

 

2 hours ago, zoomomancs said:

Indeed, though in my case he had just earned 24,000 bt in 6 days so he was able to feel more flexible. And I like to show a man a good time. 

good for both of you. 24000 is quite a sum. It's good to show a man a good time but even better if he will try to do the same. Hope that was your case.

On margins of your comment I have one unrelated:

it's consider common wisdom not to drag gogo boy to  another go-go bar as he may not like an idea to remind him how he looks while on the stage.

On my last trip month ago I had no less that three different boys who actually suggested they want to go to bar to see the show and based on reaction , enjoyed it 

 

 

19 hours ago, jason1975 said:

4k a day for holiday together seems fair price to pay.

That's $200 AUD a day !!!

This is Thailand not Australia 

I would do it for that ,

14 hours ago, vinapu said:

On margins of your comment I have one unrelated:

it's consider common wisdom not to drag gogo boy to  another go-go bar as he may not like an idea to remind him how he looks while on the stage.

On my last trip month ago I had no less that three different boys who actually suggested they want to go to bar to see the show and based on reaction , enjoyed it

You are lucky that you have guys who wanted to go to other bars to watch the shows

My guy does not like to go to other bars. He will of course go if customer requests it. But with me, I always look for activities which both of us enjoy. Watching muay thai boxing is one such activity we both recently discovered. 

16 hours ago, zoomomancs said:

Indeed, though in my case he had just earned 24,000 bt in 6 days so he was able to feel more flexible. And I like to show a man a good time. 

You are a splendid customer! That's why your guy loves going out with you!

9 hours ago, Olddaddy said:

That's $200 AUD a day !!!

This is Thailand not Australia 

I would do it for that ,

I'm in Parramatta, do you charge mileage as well?

6 hours ago, jason1975 said:

I always look for activities which both of us enjoy. 

That's always the case of successful time together although on vacation sometimes we need to make hard choice - do something we travelled there for or ,  for sake of peace,  compromise  and look for something we both enjoy at expense of our own pleasure only.  

In Bangkok I can skip Grand Palace or Mahanakhon if that doesn't suit  my companion but not nightly visit to some bar.

6 hours ago, BjornAgain said:

I'm in Parramatta, do you charge mileage as well?

Be careful what you ask for....the answer might be no and next thing we know you and @Olddaddy are sipping out of your water bottles 😆

All these prior understandings r conducted via a reliable translator, and r left pinned/pasted to avoid misundrstndngs?

I think 2500 is reasonable, although I was told they still have to pay their off fee to the bar for every night they don't work just to keep their slot or number in the bar.

A couple of guys I had a good daily rate setup with actually started with a long time off that stretched until mid day. That gave them a feel of what a full day with me is like before they quoted me a rate. I think part of it depends on the connection you build and how much work they think it'll be on their end.In most, if not all, of my arrangements like this, it was actually the guy who brought up the idea.

Some may also have other jobs or side gigs during the day that they’d need to give up, so that probably factors in too.

That said, some boys are just greedy or don’t really have the business sense to think long term.

2 hours ago, CallMeLee said:

, some boys... don’t really have the business sense to think long term.

at end of day I don't blame them . with exception os bar stars most of them really need money NOW , much more than after tomorrow

17 hours ago, BjornAgain said:

I'm in Parramatta, do you charge mileage as well?

Getting to Parramatta can be expensive. Especially if you’re coming down the M4 😂 

21 hours ago, floridarob said:

Be careful what you ask for....the answer might be no and next thing we know you and @Olddaddy are sipping out of your water bottles 😆

You sound jealous, even possessive.

26 minutes ago, Min said:

You sound jealous, even possessive.

Is it that obvious?

On 7/27/2025 at 2:33 PM, jason1975 said:

2500 baht is the current short time rate for a guy from bar in Silom.

I'm feeling old thinking about the first years I came to Thailand (2012 was my first time) and I paid 2000 to the best looking barboys to take him home for short time, and 1500 was considered good rate for meeting up with freelancer via the apps in Bangkok... Inflation hits hard, also in Thailand.

On 7/27/2025 at 6:04 PM, spoon said:

My advise, only do long term hire with someone you are already comfortable with, and have hired few times overnight or have taken a short trip once or twice before.

Of course, I realize that everyone is different and has different preferences. But personally, I'm never a fan of long-term. The biggest reason for this is that I love my privacy. I enjoy having company around me. Going out to dinner together, having a drink at a bar. And of course, intimacy in the bedroom. But I really prefer to sleep alone. Without anyone by my side.

Another reason for me is that I'm overly aware that with a money boy, it's a business transaction. I enjoy having a money boy for company for an evening, but for a whole night, let alone a weekend or a week; no. Then I too often start to think he's only here for the money and isn't really interested in me at all. Or, as Olddaddy poetically put it:

On 7/28/2025 at 12:05 AM, Olddaddy said:

this guy wants your money not your friendship

And because I feel that way, I'm not interested in becoming too friendly. Somehow, after sex, I quickly get tired of a guy. Precisely because I sense there's no connection on a friendship or emotional level.

I'd rather split my money among different money guys for different nights than rent one guy for a longer period.

On 7/28/2025 at 7:10 PM, vinapu said:

Of course we need to looks for signs of boredom and complacency but so called quasi boyfriend experience can be quite pleasant if both sides are working on it.Boy hopping may bring new discoveries  but also  disappointments and misspent money.

I can certainly relate. But I guess that so-called boyfriend experience just isn't my cup of tea. Or maybe I just haven't met the right guy yet. And do they even exist? Those who can truly give you the feeling of a connection that goes beyond financial ones, all night long, including the morning, and maybe even the entire weekend?

As I write this, I realize the part I find most exciting is the boyhunting: going to a bar and seeing if there's a guy you like. Making contact, taking him to your hotel. And then seeing how he is. Does he kiss well? How hot is he? What things can we do together? Is there some kind of connection? The discovery part, as Vinapu describes it. That can indeed sometimes lead to disappointment. Although I have to say, I've made more good discoveries in all these years than bad ones. But that might be because I've always been very critical of bars or apps.

These days, I have two regulars who I alternate with new discoveries. This way, I'm guaranteed quality with the ones I already know, but I can also make plenty of new discoveries during the vacation. A perfect combination. But even the regulars are only there for short-term dates. No overnights or longer.

You sound exactly like me, ernie. I have met up with so many lovely people from all over the world during this latest trip and I have been fortunate in having memorable experiences with muscular money boys. But at the end of the day I prefer to have my down time and also to go to bed by myself. I have often thought, however, about inviting my guy to stay overnight if he wants, but without sex, that is keeping it short time. He would then not have to do the long journey home on a wet night, could sleep in an air conditioned room, have a hearty, protein-packed breakfast at the Quarter Silom and use the facilities.

And then seeing how he is. Does he kiss well? How hot is he? What things can we do together? Is there some kind of connection? 

Kissing is the number one erotic activity for me. Knowing that you also are interested in the Atlas boys, may I add that the ones I have offed have been keen to oblige.

3 hours ago, emiel1981 said:

I'm feeling old thinking about the first years I came to Thailand (2012 was my first time) and I paid 2000 to the best looking barboys to take him home for short time, and 1500 was considered good rate for meeting up with freelancer via the apps in Bangkok...

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I can certainly relate. But I guess that so-called boyfriend experience just isn't my cup of tea. Or maybe I just haven't met the right guy yet. And do they even exist?

from my experience it may require some  work and/ or bargaining but those rates are still achievable. 

Last year I had bar boy also freelancing  on Grindr  to laugh me off with plan 'no' when I suggested 1500 but still few minutes later message came 'where your hotel?" . Smart move as I gave him 1000 more at dismissal simply because I liked his performance  a lot.

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they do. They need to couple good looks with business acumen and as necessary condition they need to like us to some degree. I always recall Tawan boy called Boss from pre-covid time . When I asked him in the morning " did you get some sleep? " he answered matter-of-factly " no, but you don't pay me to sleep". that left me with only option ; to ask him ' are you coming tonight again ?"
 

 

1 hour ago, Kiwi306 said:

And then seeing how he is. Does he kiss well? How hot is he? What things can we do together? Is there some kind of connection? 

Kissing is the number one erotic activity for me. Knowing that you also are interested in the Atlas boys, may I add that the ones I have offed have been keen to oblige.

former Tawan boys were known for way of answering question 'do you kiss ?" , more than once answer was simply planting juicy kiss instantly  

8 hours ago, Kiwi306 said:

You sound exactly like me, ernie. I have met up with so many lovely people from all over the world during this latest trip and I have been fortunate in having memorable experiences with muscular money boys. But at the end of the day I prefer to have my down time and also to go to bed by myself. I have often thought, however, about inviting my guy to stay overnight if he wants, but without sex, that is keeping it short time. He would then not have to do the long journey home on a wet night, could sleep in an air conditioned room, have a hearty, protein-packed breakfast at the Quarter Silom and use the facilities.

That breakfast at QS was the worst I have had ...Asian type breakfast 🥞 

14 hours ago, emiel1981 said:

Of course, I realize that everyone is different and has different preferences. But personally, I'm never a fan of long-term. The biggest reason for this is that I love my privacy. I enjoy having company around me. Going out to dinner together, having a drink at a bar. And of course, intimacy in the bedroom. But I really prefer to sleep alone. Without anyone by my side.

I am the same, also I sleep terribly if there is someone in the bed with me. I have done long time though, I think maybe 3 times.