BangkokDreamer Posted 20 hours ago Posted 20 hours ago From what I understand it seems that when it comes to pricing Saunas- Cheaper option Offing from Bar/Club - a little more Massage - Most? BjornAgain 1 Quote
jimmie50 Posted 16 hours ago Author Posted 16 hours ago 3 hours ago, BangkokDreamer said: Saunas- Cheaper option Offing from Bar/Club - a little more Massage - Most? I don't know about Saunas, as I have never been. Not some place I think I would really enjoy. Maybe in my younger days, but way out of my league now. lol. So far, THB 500 seems to be the standard off fee to the club/bar if you take a guy out. The rest is something you negotiate directly with the guy. Others on the forum are far more experienced with the negotiations than I am, but I aim for no more than THB 1500. Most will start at a higher request but seem to quickly come down once they realize you understand the game and are not a newbie...so to speak. Massage rates vary depending on type of massage and duration. In general, I think you can get a 60 minute aroma/oil massage most places for between THB 400-600. I have noticed that some shops even have 'happy hour' prices in Silom. Many of the shops also list a minimum tip for the therapist. If it is a legitimate shop, the tip seems to be very minimal. The S-type or #2 shops seem to post a slightly higher minimum tip. I think it is possible to walk away from these shops easily paying THB 1000 or less. The SS and H type shops (#'s 3 & 4) are definitely going to cost you more. The massage itself might not be more expensive, but tips are higher, plus negotiations take place behind closed doors...so to speak. vinapu and bkkmfj2648 1 1 Quote
vinapu Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago 6 hours ago, jimmie50 said: So far, THB 500 seems to be the standard off fee to the club/bar if you take a guy out. The rest is something you negotiate directly with the guy. Others on the forum are far more experienced with the negotiations than I am, but I aim for no more than THB 1500. Most will start at a higher request but seem to quickly come down once they realize you understand the game and are not a newbie...so to speak. when taking guy from the bar most likely to off fee (usually 500) we need to add cost of our drink ( 400-500 ) and boys ( another 400-500). It's why it's helpful to have guy's Line or other contact so we can ask him to visit us without actually going to bar , just give him off fee he will be charged. But that option , while cheaper, misses whole entertainment part, show , interaction with boys and mamasans in the bar so I personally don't subscribe to it too often. Quote
jimmie50 Posted 2 hours ago Author Posted 2 hours ago continued…Installment 10: Decided I would venture over to Phaya Thai today and check out Ganymede Spa. Was going to make a full day of it, planning to go late afternoon to Ganymede followed by an early dinner at G’s. Have yet to eat here, and wanted to get to Soi 4 early enough so I could get an outside table and do some serious people watching. After that, I thought I might pop back into Banana Club and see if the cute number guy I saw on Friday evening was working tonight. I wasn’t sure if Sunday would be a slow night, or it would be just as busy as Friday was, but I didn’t want to take a chance so planned well in advance. As an interesting side note, Paradise guy has this uncanny ability to contact me when I am on another adventure. I was on BTS when he sent a text asking me what I was doing. I was not that surprised, considered we had neither one texted on Saturday. I expected to hear form him sometime on Sunday. He just always seems to catch me in the act of misbehaving. lol. I was a little unsure about the location of Ganymede. When using Google maps street view, it showed a single story run down shack that was painted pink with a metal roof in what looked like a dead-end alley. Not exactly the most prime location. @macaroni21 described it perfectly with the perfect photo as well. It was easy to get to taking Exit 2 at Phaya Thai BTS, walk around 100 meters (just past Thailand Department of Livestock Development building, turn left onto a private driveway for Pathum Wan Resort. Shops line both sides of the private driveway. Ganymede will be approximately 100 meters down on the left just before the resort. There is a overhead sign clearly marking the shop. Based upon previous posts, I was expecting to enter and immediately find a flight of stairs up to the next level, with a place to leave shoes before heading upstairs. They have either moved since those posts or done some major remodeling. You walk into a reception area with sofa, receptionist desk, cold water station, and place to exchange shoes for slippers…all on ground level. There is a fringe type divider and on the other side of that divider is an area where available guys are hanging out. While you can make a reservation and request a specific therapist if you know their name, in general this is a walk-in shop. It is a small shop with three upper floors, two massage rooms per floor plus a communal bathroom on each floor. There were three therapists for me to choose from. I would classify all three as twinks. They offer Aroma and Milk Bath massage. Aroma is oil, and Milk Bath isn’t actually a bath, but a milk based cream. Options are 60, 90 and 120 minutes. They have a section on the menu called Special Services, and Body to Body is specifically listed here. I opted for this one. Pretty sure the Aroma or Milk Bath would get you the same end result since this is an H-type or #4 shop, but I didn’t want to leave anything to chance and wanted the guaranteed action of B2B. I selected Ben, who it turns out is actually Thai. THB 1400 for 120 minutes B2B plus guaranteed THB 2000 tip for therapist. I apologize, but don’t recall the price for 60 and 90 minutes, but would be less than 1400. The restroom on each floor consists of two sinks with ample counter space, two toilets in private stalls, and two showers. Ben took me one floor up and showed me the restroom, then took me to the second massage room. The room was quite large and contained a decent size massage table, small stand with a lamp for atmosphere, small table for supplies, and wall mount rack for clothes complete with hangers and robe. For being an older, long time establishment, I was actually impressed with the facility. Ben asked me to shower while he went for supplies, then joined me in the restroom but in the second shower. I wasn’t expecting much in the way of massage, but he was actually quite good and thorough with coverage and used a variety of strokes. Dry thumb presses were almost too painful and I had to ask him to ease up just a little. Oh, and he was naked from the get-go, so no pretense about where this was going to ultimately lead. Let me just say that Ben was very well endowed. I mean to say he was hung like a horse, or perhaps I should say like a Thai elephant! I am surprised I was able to walk to the BTS station after he was finished with me. He had quite the surprise hiding in that pair of pants. He identifies as gay and was quite the kisser, too. That always gets my engines revved up. Their website is not current and doesn’t appear to be updated in quite some time, nor do they have much of any other online presence. Would certainly go back to this shop, and yes, we did exchange contact information and I hope to see him again. Photos online of therapists on not current. Probably none of those guys have worked at this shop in quite some time. If you want to request someone specific, ask them via Line to send you photos of who will be available at a certain time. Made my way back to Phaya Thai BTS. For a Sunday afternoon, BTS was packed both directions to and from Ganymede. It was almost as bad as rush hour during the working week. I was not expecting that. Transferred train lines and headed to Saladaeng BTS. A little too early for dinner just yet, so walked around Silom Complex, grabbed an iced latte at Starbucks, and did some people watching. I also think I spotted the area @Durian had mentioned as being very cruisy near escalators on 2nd and 3rd floors. Possibly discovered the guy he mentioned they picked up and invited back to their hotel room. I eventually made my way over to Soi 4 and went directly to G’s. There was only one other table occupied outside so I was able to sit on the deck and enjoy the scenery while eating dinner. I was really impressed with the food. Wow! I certainly wish I had stopped by here before now, and will definitely be going back again before I return to Denver. Only two negative things I would say about it: 1) even with a posted no smoking sign, they allowed smoking and even brought the customer an ashtray; 2) I am not a country music fan, but that is what they were playing while I was there. I could have passed on that. Kitty was sleeping under a table that had a reserved sign on it. Not sure if that meant the table was reserved for the cat, or guests coming later. lol. Soi 4 was not nearly as busy or active as it had been on Friday evening. It was still early, so I thought it might gradually pick up. It was interesting to observe people in general. Straight couples curious. Husbands would grab hands of their wives for fear of being accosted. Older couples snickering and whispering about the entertainers. Families with small children. Noticed a number of Jupiter guys heading to work. From my perspective, their body language communicated arrogance as they walked down the street towards the bar. After awhile I got bored with this and it was still early for any shows, so I decided to get a food massage at Adam. Wasn’t really interested in anything else but foot massage. Just a nice relaxing hour to chill out and let the world pass me by. After that, I walked back next door to Banana Club and sat out front. I was the only one out there, so the bar boy wasn’t that busy and able to chat a little. Excellent English skills. Originally from Cambodia, but lived in Thailand since he was a little boy. He told me about the different businesses on that street. Thai Female owner of Banana Club. Owner of Unicorn stopped by to chat with her. He is American from California. Turns out he also owns Rainbow Dragon. Just returned from a trip to Philippines. Seems like quite the character. Anyway, show started at 9:30pm, so I went inside the club then. Got to see the beginning of what I missed on Friday with Cam. Last half of the show was just a repeat for me. Unlike Friday, there were fewer people milling around outside Soi 4, but inside the club were many people. I counted 26, with about one third of that being female customers. As I said in my previous post about this club, some of the number tag boys are really past their prime. The one I thought was really cute was there. I wasn’t quite sure if I was going to invite him to go with me or not. Initially I asked the waiter to give him a THB 100 tip from me. Several other customers invited a few of the number boys to sit with them for a drink. After watching him take a second spin around the stage on rotation I motioned for him to come and join me. Decision made. Now negotiating begins. Bought him a drink and we chatted a bit. Decent English. From Cambodia. Not sure what is up with me and Cambodian guys this trip. I seem to be setting a pattern. He has been here 8 months. Shares living space with three other guys. Has a large family…4 older brothers and one older sister. He is the baby in the family. Anyway, I wasn’t looking for Long Term/Overnight…just a few hours. THB 380 drink, THB 500 off fee, he wanted THB 3000, which made me laugh and wasn’t going to happen, especially since it wasn’t overnight. Offered THB 1500 as a counter and accepted. He was cute and good, so with tip I ended up giving him THB 2000 before he left to go home. Was lucky again, as he identified as gay and was a fantastic kisser. Naturally, exchanged contact information. Next time I will invite him to spend the night. BjornAgain, daydreamer and Travelingguy 3 Quote