jimmie50 Posted 16 hours ago Author Posted 16 hours ago 6 hours ago, jason1975 said: Even though I book my guy for full day, we are not physically together 24/7. He works at bar from 8pm every night and only sleeps at 3am after work. He sleeps till 4pm or 5pm. So he needs to sleep in daytime. I think that is the normal schedule for most of the guys working clubs. They don't get home until 1:30 or 2am and probably not ready to sleep until 3am. Then they sleep all day until time to get up and start the routine all over again. Cam would have that same routine, which is why I am agreeable to going to a club to watch the show after dinner. My preference would be to head directly back to the hotel and sleep at a reasonable hour (for me). I know that doesn't work for him. So, shower and playtime after returning to the hotel needs to be later and sleep time later to accommodate his normal schedule. The difference for my situation is Cam won't be going to work. I am paying the off fee so he doesn't need to be there. To be honest, I'm not sure I would be ok with him spending the day with me, then going to work at the club, and then come back to me. That isn't exactly the experience I am looking for. I do not know if his club has a set off fee for ST and LT or not. He has never mentioned it, nor has mamasan...other than THB 500 off fee to club. Mamasan has not tried to interfere with our negotiations when in the club, and the last few times we haven't even gone inside the club. Mamasan knows he is off with me and that is the end of the discussion between us. Anything else is worked out between me and Cam. FunFifties, a-447, bkkmfj2648 and 1 other 4 Quote
Popular Post jimmie50 Posted 15 hours ago Author Popular Post Posted 15 hours ago continued…Installment 20: Woke up to messages from Paradise guy, Banana guy, Chaichana guy and Cam. All of them came in during the night after they finished work with exception of Paradise guy. Most of the time it is the same thing from everyone…’hello’, followed by ‘how are you’. Paradise guy is almost always ‘what are you doing’. Banana guy is the more aggressive of them all, always asking when I am coming to see him again. Guy from Green massage is coming over this afternoon. While he has ‘massage experience’ from both Paradise and Green massage, in our text messages to set up today’s session he mentioned a couple of times that he has never met with a massage customer outside of the shops before. He also said I was his first time doing full on sex in either shop. Before he has only done hand job. Not sure how truthful the last part is, because he was definitely instigating the play at Green when I saw him, but I do believe his statement about never meeting a customer outside. I can tell from the tone of his messages that he is a little nervous or anxious. It seems the larger group of traveling forum members in Bangkok has now dwindled down to just two of us. Met other forum member for dinner after both of us had afternoon extracurricular activities. Nice dinner at a great Italian restaurant in Central Park. Would definitely go back, and highly recommend. Following dinner we walked over to Patpong 2. Debated which club to visit, and ultimately decided on Dream Boy. This was my first visit to Dream Boy. Just like we all have our preferences for our gentlemen friends, we all have clubs that we prefer for various reasons. I was not overly impressed with Dream Boy. Found very few guys of interest to me; way too many mamasan’s or waiters acting as a mamasan…not sure which…and all very pushy; too many loud, large parties with big spenders who had way too much alcohol and assumed they were the only patrons in the bar; show was disappointing and DJ was terrible with transitions between the acts. I would return if I was in a group and that was the club most of the group wanted to visit. On my own, probably would not return to Dream Boy. Did not see my massage guy from Prince in the line-up, so must have been his night off. We decided to leave after the first show was over. Other forum member was calling it an early evening to go pack before departure the next morning. I walked across the alley to Hotmale. Was going to see if Cam was there or had gone with a customer. Turns out he was with a customer, so I decided to make it an early night as well and headed back to the condo. Sent him a text letting him know I did stop by, because I was sure someone at Hotmale would tell him. Turns out his outing with the customer was short and he was already at home. Offered to come over to the condo, but by that time I decided to just get a good nights sleep and we agreed to meet the next night for dinner and he will spend the night again. Just to update everyone on Banana guy…he sent me a text early evening letting me know he was free and wanted me to come take him off. Told him I had plans for dinner with a friend and wasn’t sure what we might do after dinner. Basically said ‘some other time’ to him. After I said that, he replied with the following: ‘I’m free tonight if you want to meet up. Maybe from tomorrow onwards I will be busy because of my clients.’ I really didn’t care for the pressure tactics or tone of his message, so I promptly responded 'I am busy tonight. If I am free later in the week and you are busy with other customers, I will find another boy. No problem.' I think I am going to let him stew on that for a little while before connecting with him again…if I even connect again this trip. His comment kind of turned me away from him….had the opposite effect of what he was going for. FunFifties, ichigo, khaolakguy and 4 others 7 Quote
vinapu Posted 14 hours ago Posted 14 hours ago 8 hours ago, jason1975 said: The reason why I give my guy 5k to be with me per day is because the short time rate at his bar (Freshboy) is 2.5k and long time rate is 4k. In my mind, it would not be right to pay less than 4k for one whole day. nothing wrong with that bkkmfj2648 1 Quote
vinapu Posted 14 hours ago Posted 14 hours ago 1 hour ago, jimmie50 said: ......., he replied with the following: ‘I’m free tonight if you want to meet up. Maybe from tomorrow onwards I will be busy because of my clients.’ I really didn’t care for the pressure tactics or tone of his message, so I promptly responded 'I am busy tonight. If I am free later in the week and you are busy with other customers, I will find another boy. No problem.' I think I am going to let him stew on that for a little while before connecting with him again…if I even connect again this trip. His comment kind of turned me away from him….had the opposite effect of what he was going for. I agree with you , to put it mildly his comments lacked sophistication. If English was his 1st language I'd classify that as outright rude but since it's not, it may came out more coarse than he intended . But that it's only defence I can think of. jimmie50 1 Quote
spoon Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago 9 hours ago, jimmie50 said: After I said that, he replied with the following: ‘I’m free tonight if you want to meet up. Maybe from tomorrow onwards I will be busy because of my clients.’ I really didn’t care for the pressure tactics or tone of his message, so I promptly responded 'I am busy tonight. If I am free later in the week and you are busy with other customers, I will find another boy. No problem.' I think I am going to let him stew on that for a little while before connecting with him again…if I even connect again this trip. His comment kind of turned me away from him….had the opposite effect of what he was going for. I had sort of the same experience but it was a genuine "im only available tonight if you want to meet", coz the day after, he has a trip with a customer for a week or so. Granted, this was my regular and he told me this when i asked him for future meet, instead of pressuring me for another off. That said, its fair for us to find another boy as much as them finding another client, unless you are already in an sponsor/bf/exclusive arrangement with the guy. jimmie50, floridarob and vinapu 3 Quote
jimmie50 Posted 2 hours ago Author Posted 2 hours ago 11 hours ago, vinapu said: I agree with you , to put it mildly his comments lacked sophistication. If English was his 1st language I'd classify that as outright rude but since it's not, it may came out more coarse than he intended . But that it's only defence I can think of. He is Cambodian, so not a native English speaker, but his English is quite good and we haven't had any issues communicating previously. I think it was an aggressive move or power play, and I wasn't willing to play the game. While I enjoyed his company, there are others I have met on this trip just as good and nice who I would like to spend time with before my return to US. Quote
jimmie50 Posted 2 hours ago Author Posted 2 hours ago 3 hours ago, spoon said: I had sort of the same experience but it was a genuine "im only available tonight if you want to meet", coz the day after, he has a trip with a customer for a week or so. Granted, this was my regular and he told me this when i asked him for future meet, instead of pressuring me for another off. That said, its fair for us to find another boy as much as them finding another client, unless you are already in an sponsor/bf/exclusive arrangement with the guy. Thanks for sharing. I think the tone of Banana guy's message was more of an aggressive mood...at least my instincts. Would rather spend my time with Cam, anyway, so his tactic sort of backfired on him. Not in any type of sponsor/bf/exclusive arrangement, but toying with the idea of that with Cam. Not sure how all of that works, though. When they work in the club, I don't know how it is possible for them to be exclusive. That is how they really make the most of their money...offs by customers. What little they get from the bar for showing up and maybe money from a customer buying them a drink isn't enough to cover daily living expenses. Don't know that I want to be considered as a sponsor, either, providing a regular stipend. Something I am trying to reconcile within myself before approaching the subject with Cam. Want to make sure I am clear in my thinking and expectations before committing to anything. Quote
jimmie50 Posted 2 hours ago Author Posted 2 hours ago 21 hours ago, jason1975 said: The reason why I give my guy 5k to be with me per day is because the short time rate at his bar (Freshboy) is 2.5k and long time rate is 4k. In my mind, it would not be right to pay less than 4k for one whole day. Completely understandable. Nothing has ever been mentioned to me about any minimums for short term or long term at Hotmale. Not sure such a thing exists there. I was actually thinking about falling between @vinapu at THB 3000 and you at THB 5000 by offering Cam THB 4000 for the three days. Again, this is all just in my pea-sized brain at the moment. lol. Haven't actually discussed details with Cam yet...only to confirm that he would be open to the possibility. Quote
mauRICE Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 2 minutes ago, jimmie50 said: I was actually thinking about falling between @vinapu at THB 3000 and you at THB 5000 by offering Cam THB 4000 for the three days. Or 10,000 Baht for three full days. Unless this Cam fellow is a star and can make more with somebody else for the same amount of time, I think that amount is generous and a nice parting "gift" to remember you by. Of course you're free to give more but always remember that you'll be remembered by your last tip and they will expect the same or more in subsequent visits. It doesn't matter how nice and kind you think you've been to them; the numbers always go up. Travelingguy and a-447 2 Quote
mauRICE Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 29 minutes ago, jimmie50 said: He is Cambodian, so not a native English speaker... Obviously not one of Angelina Jolie's children. 😏 floridarob 1 Quote
jason1975 Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 14 hours ago, jimmie50 said: "I’m free tonight if you want to meet up. Maybe from tomorrow onwards I will be busy because of my clients.’ Google Translate might have translated his message too literally and created a tone that he never intendred. He might just be stating a fact - tomorrow there are many customers in bar and he has to work. Today he is free to meet (implied meaning he has no customers today). There were occasions in the past when my guy and I misintrepreted each other's intention due to Google Translate. But we subsequently clarified each other's message and all went well in the end. floridarob 1 Quote
jason1975 Posted 56 minutes ago Posted 56 minutes ago 1 hour ago, jimmie50 said: Not in any type of sponsor/bf/exclusive arrangement, but toying with the idea of that with Cam. Not sure how all of that works, though. When they work in the club, I don't know how it is possible for them to be exclusive. That is how they really make the most of their money...offs by customers. What little they get from the bar for showing up and maybe money from a customer buying them a drink isn't enough to cover daily living expenses. Don't know that I want to be considered as a sponsor, either, providing a regular stipend. I know of a guy at Freshboy who disappeared after he found a sponsor who allegedly paid him 50k a month. I also know of guys who continue working in bar even when they have a sponsor. They are allowed to go out with customers to drink only. No sex. The guys will communicate their terms clearly to new customers who want to off them. Quote
mauRICE Posted 28 minutes ago Posted 28 minutes ago 45 minutes ago, jason1975 said: I also know of guys who continue working in bar even when they have a sponsor. They are allowed to go out with customers to drink only. No sex. The guys will communicate their terms clearly to new customers who want to off them. Doesn't make sense. Why continue working in a go go bar where customers have a reasonable expectation to "off" the guys working there for sex. I can understand the need or desire to continue working even with a sponsor - and it's in fact admirable - but why can't they work some place not related to the sex industry? Personally, I find it very suss and wonder how many of these guys keep their promises to their sugar daddies. And I also find it very silly (naive?) of their sugar daddies to agree to let their sugar babies continue working in the bars and expect them not to go with other customers. Have they forgotten where they met their objects of desire? After twenty years, it still amazes me how many johns still think they've met the perfect virgin whore. 🙄 53 minutes ago, jason1975 said: Google Translate might have translated his message too literally and created a tone that he never intendred. He might just be stating a fact - tomorrow there are many customers in bar and he has to work. Today he is free to meet (implied meaning he has no customers today). It's also a fact that @jimmie50 is also his customer and would have an equal chance of "offing" this Banana Bar guy even on those days the bar is busy. Therefore, his reply after @jimmie50 had made it clear to him that he had made dinner plans with a friend sounds like a pressure tactic and is off-putting to me. There are plenty of fish in the sea. floridarob 1 Quote