Thailand Trip Report February/March 2026

[jimmie50]

6 hours ago, jason1975 said:

Even though I book my guy for full day, we are not physically together 24/7.

He works at bar from 8pm every night and only sleeps at 3am after work. He sleeps till 4pm or 5pm. So he needs to sleep in daytime.

I think that is the normal schedule for most of the guys working clubs.  They don't get home until 1:30 or 2am and probably not ready to sleep until 3am.  Then they sleep all day until time to get up and start the routine all over again.  Cam would have that same routine, which is why I am agreeable to going to a club to watch the show after dinner.  My preference would be to head directly back to the hotel and sleep at a reasonable hour (for me).  I know that doesn't work for him.  So, shower and playtime after returning to the hotel needs to be later and sleep time later to accommodate his normal schedule.  

The difference for my situation is Cam won't be going to work.  I am paying the off fee so he doesn't need to be there.  To be honest, I'm not sure I would be ok with him spending the day with me, then going to work at the club, and then come back to me.  That isn't exactly the experience I am looking for.  I do not know if his club has a set off fee for ST and LT or not.  He has never mentioned it, nor has mamasan...other than THB 500 off fee to club.  Mamasan has not tried to interfere with our negotiations when in the club, and the last few times we haven't even gone inside the club.  Mamasan knows he is off with me and that is the end of the discussion between us.  Anything else is worked out between me and Cam.  

[jimmie50]

continued…Installment 20: Woke up to messages from Paradise guy, Banana guy, Chaichana guy and Cam. All of them came in during the night after they finished work with exception of Paradise guy.  Most of the time it is the same thing from everyone…’hello’, followed by ‘how are you’.  Paradise guy is almost always ‘what are you doing’.  Banana guy is the more aggressive of them all, always asking when I am coming to see him again.  Guy from Green massage is coming over this afternoon.  While he has ‘massage experience’ from both Paradise and Green massage, in our text messages to set up today’s session he mentioned a couple of times that he has never met with a massage customer outside of the shops before.  He also said I was his first time doing full on sex in either shop.  Before he has only done hand job.  Not sure how truthful the last part is, because he was definitely instigating the play at Green when I saw him, but I do believe his statement about never meeting a customer outside.  I can tell from the tone of his messages that he is a little nervous or anxious.

It seems the larger group of traveling forum members in Bangkok has now dwindled down to just two of us.  Met other forum member for dinner after both of us had afternoon extracurricular activities.  Nice dinner at a great Italian restaurant in Central Park.  Would definitely go back, and highly recommend.  Following dinner we walked over to Patpong 2.  Debated which club to visit, and ultimately decided on Dream Boy.  This was my first visit to Dream Boy.  Just like we all have our preferences for our gentlemen friends, we all have clubs that we prefer for various reasons.  I was not overly impressed with Dream Boy.  Found very few guys of interest to me; way too many mamasan’s or waiters acting as a mamasan…not sure which…and all very pushy; too many loud, large parties with big spenders who had way too much alcohol and assumed they were the only patrons in the bar; show was disappointing and DJ was terrible with transitions between the acts.  I would return if I was in a group and that was the club most of the group wanted to visit.  On my own, probably would not return to Dream Boy.  Did not see my massage guy from Prince in the line-up, so must have been his night off.  We decided to leave after the first show was over.  Other forum member was calling it an early evening to go pack before departure the next morning.  I walked across the alley to Hotmale.  Was going to see if Cam was there or had gone with a customer.  Turns out he was with a customer, so I decided to make it an early night as well and headed back to the condo.  Sent him a text letting him know I did stop by, because I was sure someone at Hotmale would tell him.  Turns out his outing with the customer was short and he was already at home.  Offered to come over to the condo, but by that time I decided to just get a good nights sleep and we agreed to meet the next night for dinner and he will spend the night again.

Just to update everyone on Banana guy…he sent me a text early evening letting me know he was free and wanted me to come take him off.  Told him I had plans for dinner with a friend and wasn’t sure what we might do after dinner.  Basically said ‘some other time’ to him.  After I said that, he replied with the following: ‘I’m free tonight if you want to meet up.  Maybe from tomorrow onwards I will be busy because of my clients.’  I really didn’t care for the pressure tactics or tone of his message, so I promptly responded 'I am busy tonight.  If I am free later in the week and you are busy with other customers, I will find another boy.  No problem.'  I think I am going to let him stew on that for a little while before connecting with him again…if I even connect again this trip.  His comment kind of turned me away from him….had the opposite effect of what he was going for.

[vinapu]

8 hours ago, jason1975 said:

The reason why I give my guy 5k to be with me per day is because the short time rate at his bar (Freshboy) is 2.5k and long time rate is 4k. In my mind, it would not be right to pay less than 4k for one whole day.

nothing wrong with that

[vinapu]

1 hour ago, jimmie50 said:

......., he replied with the following: ‘I’m free tonight if you want to meet up.  Maybe from tomorrow onwards I will be busy because of my clients.’  I really didn’t care for the pressure tactics or tone of his message, so I promptly responded 'I am busy tonight.  If I am free later in the week and you are busy with other customers, I will find another boy.  No problem.'  I think I am going to let him stew on that for a little while before connecting with him again…if I even connect again this trip.  His comment kind of turned me away from him….had the opposite effect of what he was going for.

I agree with you , to put it mildly his comments lacked sophistication.  

If English was his 1st language I'd classify that as outright rude  but since it's not,  it may came out more coarse than he intended . But that it's only defence I can think of.

[spoon]

9 hours ago, jimmie50 said:

After I said that, he replied with the following: ‘I’m free tonight if you want to meet up.  Maybe from tomorrow onwards I will be busy because of my clients.’  I really didn’t care for the pressure tactics or tone of his message, so I promptly responded 'I am busy tonight.  If I am free later in the week and you are busy with other customers, I will find another boy.  No problem.'  I think I am going to let him stew on that for a little while before connecting with him again…if I even connect again this trip.  His comment kind of turned me away from him….had the opposite effect of what he was going for.

I had sort of the same experience but it was a genuine "im only available tonight if you want to meet", coz the day after, he has a trip with a customer for a week or so. Granted, this was my regular and he told me this when i asked him for future meet, instead of pressuring me for another off.

That said, its fair for us to find another boy as much as them finding another client, unless you are already in an sponsor/bf/exclusive arrangement with the guy.

 

[jimmie50]

11 hours ago, vinapu said:

I agree with you , to put it mildly his comments lacked sophistication.  

If English was his 1st language I'd classify that as outright rude  but since it's not,  it may came out more coarse than he intended . But that it's only defence I can think of.

He is Cambodian, so not a native English speaker, but his English is quite good and we haven't had any issues communicating previously.  I think it was an aggressive move or power play, and I wasn't willing to play the game.  While I enjoyed his company, there are others I have met on this trip just as good and nice who I would like to spend time with before my return to US.  

[jimmie50]

3 hours ago, spoon said:

I had sort of the same experience but it was a genuine "im only available tonight if you want to meet", coz the day after, he has a trip with a customer for a week or so. Granted, this was my regular and he told me this when i asked him for future meet, instead of pressuring me for another off.

That said, its fair for us to find another boy as much as them finding another client, unless you are already in an sponsor/bf/exclusive arrangement with the guy.

Thanks for sharing.  I think the tone of Banana guy's message was more of an aggressive mood...at least my instincts.  Would rather spend my time with Cam, anyway, so his tactic sort of backfired on him.  

Not in any type of sponsor/bf/exclusive arrangement, but toying with the idea of that with Cam.  Not sure how all of that works, though.  When they work in the club, I don't know how it is possible for them to be exclusive.  That is how they really make the most of their money...offs by customers.  What little they get from the bar for showing up and maybe money from a customer buying them a drink isn't enough to cover daily living expenses.  Don't know that I want to be considered as a sponsor, either, providing a regular stipend.  Something I am trying to reconcile within myself before approaching the subject with Cam.  Want to make sure I am clear in my thinking and expectations before committing to anything.  

[jimmie50]

21 hours ago, jason1975 said:

The reason why I give my guy 5k to be with me per day is because the short time rate at his bar (Freshboy) is 2.5k and long time rate is 4k. In my mind, it would not be right to pay less than 4k for one whole day.

Completely understandable.  Nothing has ever been mentioned to me about any minimums for short term or long term at Hotmale.  Not sure such a thing exists there.  

I was actually thinking about falling between @vinapu at THB 3000 and you at THB 5000 by offering Cam THB 4000 for the three days.  Again, this is all just in my pea-sized brain at the moment.  lol.  Haven't actually discussed details with Cam yet...only to confirm that he would be open to the possibility.   

[mauRICE]

2 minutes ago, jimmie50 said:

I was actually thinking about falling between @vinapu at THB 3000 and you at THB 5000 by offering Cam THB 4000 for the three days.  

Or 10,000 Baht for three full days. Unless this Cam fellow is a star and can make more with somebody else for the same amount of time, I think that amount is generous and a nice parting "gift" to remember you by. Of course you're free to give more but always remember that you'll be remembered by your last tip and they will expect the same or more in subsequent visits. It doesn't matter how nice and kind you think you've been to them; the numbers always go up.

[mauRICE]

29 minutes ago, jimmie50 said:

He is Cambodian, so not a native English speaker...

Obviously not one of Angelina Jolie's children. 😏

[jason1975]

14 hours ago, jimmie50 said:

"I’m free tonight if you want to meet up.  Maybe from tomorrow onwards I will be busy because of my clients.’

Google Translate might have translated his message too literally and created a tone that he never intendred. He might just be stating a fact - tomorrow there are many customers in bar and he has to work. Today he is free to meet (implied meaning he has no customers today).

There were occasions in the past when my guy and I misintrepreted each other's intention due to Google Translate. But we subsequently clarified each other's message and all went well in the end.

[jason1975]

1 hour ago, jimmie50 said:

Not in any type of sponsor/bf/exclusive arrangement, but toying with the idea of that with Cam.  Not sure how all of that works, though.  When they work in the club, I don't know how it is possible for them to be exclusive.  That is how they really make the most of their money...offs by customers.  What little they get from the bar for showing up and maybe money from a customer buying them a drink isn't enough to cover daily living expenses.  Don't know that I want to be considered as a sponsor, either, providing a regular stipend. 

I know of a guy at Freshboy who disappeared after he found a sponsor who allegedly paid him 50k a month.

I also know of guys who continue working in bar even when they have a sponsor. They are allowed to go out with customers to drink only. No sex. The guys will communicate their terms clearly to new customers who want to off them.

[mauRICE]

45 minutes ago, jason1975 said:

I also know of guys who continue working in bar even when they have a sponsor. They are allowed to go out with customers to drink only. No sex. The guys will communicate their terms clearly to new customers who want to off them.

Doesn't make sense. Why continue working in a go go bar where customers have a reasonable expectation to "off" the guys working there for sex. I can understand the need or desire to continue working even with a sponsor - and it's in fact admirable - but why can't they work some place not related to the sex industry? Personally, I find it very suss and wonder how many of these guys keep their promises to their sugar daddies. And I also find it very silly (naive?) of their sugar daddies to agree to let their sugar babies continue working in the bars and expect them not to go with other customers. Have they forgotten where they met their objects of desire? After twenty years, it still amazes me how many johns still think they've met the perfect virgin whore. 🙄

 

53 minutes ago, jason1975 said:

Google Translate might have translated his message too literally and created a tone that he never intendred. He might just be stating a fact - tomorrow there are many customers in bar and he has to work. Today he is free to meet (implied meaning he has no customers today).

It's also a fact that @jimmie50 is also his customer and would have an equal chance of "offing" this Banana Bar guy even on those days the bar is busy. Therefore, his reply after @jimmie50 had made it clear to him that he had made dinner plans with a friend sounds like a pressure tactic and is off-putting to me. There are plenty of fish in the sea.

[floridarob]

On 3/20/2026 at 11:48 AM, jimmie50 said:

Had a message from another forum member who had finished a late afternoon massage

I read that as "Had a massage from another forum member" and thought wow, @vinapu massages must be really good and he keeps busy 😳

 

 

On 3/20/2026 at 11:48 AM, jimmie50 said:

At some point during the day, Paradise guy had sent me a message wanting to know if I was coming to see him today.  Wrote back and said we spent the entire day together on Sunday, so probably not.  Was going to meet ‘friends’ later.  Told him I would come by the shop to see him on Tuesday.

I think some of these posts miss a bit of perspective.

Before apps, the only way these guys were meeting foreigners was cruising streets, department stores, saunas, host bars, go-go bars… that was it. And a lot of them came from small towns or farms, hoping for a better life.

Then they met foreigner after foreigner who told them the exact same things:
“You’re special.”
“I love you.”
“I’ll take care of you.”
“I’ll come back for you.”

And then… nothing.

That happens enough times, and of course they become more jaded. Some of them learn to protect themselves, and yes, sometimes that can look like juggling multiple guys or not taking things as seriously as the other person might.

So when I read “he wasn’t really into me,” or "he only wanted my money"  I always wonder… how many times has he heard the same promises before?

And on the flip side, how many dreams and hearts have we crushed along the way, maybe without even realizing it?

At the same time, let’s be honest, a lot of these situations are transactional from the start. There’s money, gifts, hotels, expectations. It’s easy for one side to build something emotional around it, while the other sees it very differently… sometimes even while they’re one of several “special” people in the rotation.

That disconnect is where most of the disappointment comes from.

It cuts both ways.

Like Auntie Vin says, don’t promise anything unless you’re sure you mean it. A little more honesty and a little less fantasy on both sides would probably save a lot of people from getting hurt, no?

[mauRICE]

15 minutes ago, floridarob said:

Before apps, the only way these guys were meeting foreigners was cruising streets, department stores, saunas, host bars, go-go bars… that was it. And a lot of them came from small towns or farms, hoping for a better life.

I'm not sure of the point you're making by this. Surely the current twenty and thirtysomethings working in the sex trade aren't the same ones you referred to above; they are tech savvy and know the score. Three weeks on the scene and they are seasoned players.

[floridarob]

Just now, mauRICE said:

they are tech savvy and know the score.

yet still end up in the same circle sometimes.... broken hearts and dreams still exist.

[zoomomancs]

6 hours ago, jimmie50 said:

Completely understandable.  Nothing has ever been mentioned to me about any minimums for short term or long term at Hotmale.  Not sure such a thing exists there.  

I was actually thinking about falling between @vinapu at THB 3000 and you at THB 5000 by offering Cam THB 4000 for the three days.  Again, this is all just in my pea-sized brain at the moment.  lol.  Haven't actually discussed details with Cam yet...only to confirm that he would be open to the possibility.   

I've paid a Cambodian man and a Vietnamese man 4,000bt a day for a 3 day trip, once to one of the islands and once to Phnom Penh, plus I pay the bar off fee plus all expenses of course. To them it's the whole package that they assess - 12,000 bt and a mini trip to somewhere they haven't been before. They were happy enough. When I'm fond of the lads they only need to say they've never been in a plane and they've never been to wherever and I say: 'Let's go'.  

[jimmie50]

5 hours ago, floridarob said:

Like Auntie Vin says, don’t promise anything unless you’re sure you mean it. A little more honesty and a little less fantasy on both sides would probably save a lot of people from getting hurt, no?

I am the relatively new kid on the block, so to speak, so have no experience prior to the last maybe 9 months.  I missed the days of Soi Twilight and how connections used to be made.  My only point of reference is what I have experienced, which is mostly in person meets first, either in massage shops or clubs, then via Line if we exchange account information.  

I learned prior to my first 'fun' trip in October by reading many posts and asking lots of questions on the forum.  That has helped me keep my generosity in check most of the time.  I also am careful about what I say and never promise anything.  Even those I have been seeing somewhat regularly, I never 100% guarantee a next time or promise exactly when we might get together again.  I always say to the guys from massage shops who exchange Line accounts with me that if we meet away from the shop they are able to keep 100% of the money versus me paying the shop for a massage, them getting THB 150 and whatever I might be willing to provide as a tip.  Hopefully the fact it is putting more money in their pockets makes it an attractive situation for both of us.  I am naturally curious and enjoy learning a little about the guys...where they are from, if they have siblings, how long they have worked at the shop, and things along those lines.  Never any promises like 'I'll take care of you, you are special, I love you', or anything like that.  The reverse has been the case with Paradise guy, in that he has used the 'L' word with me a number of times now.  I do not respond in kind when he says it.  The closest thing with any of the guys is when they send me some cute or humorous sticker or emoji via Line I might return something similar.  That could include a heart or blowing kisses.  I don't believe anyone could misconstrue that as declaring love or promising anything.  

I do understand what you are saying.  These guys have heard empty promises for years.  They are rightfully skeptical, especially when promises are made that simply sound like a repeat of something they have heard over and over again but never come to fruition.  

[jimmie50]

6 hours ago, mauRICE said:

Doesn't make sense. Why continue working in a go go bar where customers have a reasonable expectation to "off" the guys working there for sex. I can understand the need or desire to continue working even with a sponsor - and it's in fact admirable - but why can't they work some place not related to the sex industry? Personally, I find it very suss and wonder how many of these guys keep their promises to their sugar daddies. And I also find it very silly (naive?) of their sugar daddies to agree to let their sugar babies continue working in the bars and expect them not to go with other customers. Have they forgotten where they met their objects of desire? After twenty years, it still amazes me how many johns still think they've met the perfect virgin whore.

This is where I am having conflict within myself.  First of all, I am not sure how these types of arrangements really work.  I know that I am not really interested in being a sponsor for someone providing a set amount to money every month for living expenses.  I am only willing to do that if we are actually a couple living together.  I also don't know how you negotiate something like a boyfriend relationship with someone who works in the club.  Boyfriend to me would mean exclusivity.  How does that even work for a guy working in the club?!?  The reason they are working in the club in the first place is to make money.  To make the most money possible, they know it will require going 'off' with customers.  The exclusive thing just doesn't fit that business model.  If there isn't any 'off' taking place, what is the point of working the club in the first place.  

Really curious what types of arrangements other forum members have who have 'regular' guys.  

While I have enjoyed meeting a number of different guys this trip and enjoyed regular sessions, only one has peaked my interest enough to even consider any of this, and that would be Cam.  I really don't know how to even approach the subject with him or if it is something that he would even be interested in.  I also don't know exactly what I would be suggesting, given this inner struggle taking place in my mind.  I certainly don't want to make any promises that I cannot or will not keep.  I don't want to be 'all talk, no action' or empty promises, so to speak.  

[vinapu]

8 hours ago, mauRICE said:

Or 10,000 Baht for three full days.

 

No a bad idea  to offer. Number sounds  impressive enough to be agreed to. And it's not paltry at all, can cover  close to 2 month rent  for 3 days effort.

[vinapu]

7 hours ago, jason1975 said:

I know of a guy at Freshboy who disappeared after he found a sponsor who allegedly paid him 50k a month.

 

Isn't it ultimate goal of all of them ?

[vinapu]

7 hours ago, mauRICE said:

Doesn't make sense. Why continue working in a go go bar where customers have a reasonable expectation to "off" the guys working there for sex.

While you are correct, I'd leave for people involved to assess what makes sense  for them and what not. They may have their own calculations.

As for boys in bars not being able to be offed , while rare those species exist. Some guys go with ladies only, while other are exclusive to guys making hoping  girls long-faced. There are those who are only participating in the shows and finally those who are   available to all and sundry but at prohibitive price rendering them unconquerable  for most of patrons. 

 

[vinapu]

6 hours ago, floridarob said:

 thought wow, @vinapu massages must be really good 
 

next time we are there at the same time I may point you to a guys who may confirm your  suspicion.

[vinapu]

7 hours ago, mauRICE said:

There are plenty of fish in the sea.

yeas but only some of them are or memorable taste

[a-447]

1 hour ago, jimmie50 said:

Really curious what types of arrangements other forum members have who have 'regular' guys.  

I met my Pattaya friend when he was working at Eros - the infamous sleazy bar in Sunee Plaza.

At first, I would go to the bar and pay the off fee. Then I would spend a couple of hours there playing with the guys. My friend could sit with customers during this time and earn drink money and tips, but of course, he couldn't be offed. Customers often wanked the guys and obviously, that also wasn't permitted. 

He told me he didn't really like working in the bar, so I decided I would just off him early in the evening. He would then get changed and stay in the bar to enjoy time with his friends while I had my fun.

This then changed to him coming to my hotel in the early afternoon and spending the rest of the day and evening with me. I would then go to Eros after dinner and he could come with me or go back to his room to play on his ipad for the time I was in the bar.

He's never stayed over night with me -I prefer to sleep alone -so he'd go back home after sex.

It's difficult to have a real Thai boyfriend, given the age difference and cultural differences. Our different lifestyles complicate things, too. So I just want to enjoy the boyfriend experience fantasy and spend time with a friendly companion while I'm in Thailand. My 2 regulars are the nicest guys you could ever meet.

But love is not part of the equation. Maybe 'love' is.