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Gotti, I agree pointe is much better and on Monday nights as well, is this the Ricardo you are referring to?

It amazes me how judgmental we can be, when we ourselves are easily judged by mainstream culture. Preaching about legality? The members of boytoy? I am appalled. All I can say is that I wish a man like Spacey would have seduced me when I was 14. It could have been an amazing adventure for me.

Not for that.

"mandatory" where does the mandatory come from? On nights I went to Bar Fama with friends, and if the place was too empty for us to stay, we left after five or ten minutes and paid only the entrance fee of R$10. We were informed that if the place was busy with customers and garotos, and if we stayed in the facility to partially watch a show or "cruise" for more than ten minutes, we would be charged R$20 reais consumption charge on top of the R$10 reais entrance fee. In reality, it is not necessary to enter the facility to see if it is too dead to be interesting. Just pull back the curtain near the entrance and look inside. If it is dead, you leave. Disappointing, but quite a simple maneuver.

There are always 2 sides to a story and then THE TRUTH, and while I said from the beginning here that something was "fishy" with this tale and the time line, I'll withhold my Guilty verdict until all the deets are in. I still think Rapp had a teen infatuation with Spacey and made the first move on his "daddy crush", but that doesnt justify Spaceys response or make it right..... For me the onslaught of the MeToo movement is a bit too much too Fast...... I you stop and think about it for a moment. we can ALL probably come up with a story in our past of activity that may not have been ""Kosher" ??? Personally, I as a young fledgling up and coming GAY can remember myself trying to put the moves on my HOT, str8 married Uncle.... creeping under the dinner table and massaging up his legs, and him ALLOWING me to do it.... He got Erect, but not a word was said to anyone.... Am I going to Hell ?

It still is a great place. It is not out of business. When you click on Google for any location, if the place is a business and it happens to be closed at the time you look at the site, Google will say the place is closed. This does not mean that the placed is closed permanently. So, Bar Fama is alive and well, even though it has late hours and can be hit or miss when you go there.

I think Onefinger is being too harsh on Spacey. Such an indiscretion could happen to many of us under the influence of drugs, including alcohol.

I've never understood why the first person to respond to a thread feels the need to quote the entire thread before he can respond. I mean, the original thread is right there already! At least it was only repeated once...:)

Do you know that paying for sex is illegal?