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  1. Part 24: Second chance on the cute waiter in Pattaya... After 5 nights in Bangkok it was time to move to Pattaya for the last few days of my stay in Thailand. On Tuesday night I fly back to The Netherlands. I booked a car with Mikepattaya. From my hotel in Silom to Jomtien Complex it was 1200 baht. Because I was curious I checked prices in the Bolt app just before the driver picked me up. I was shocked to see Bolt was so much more expensive than the taxi service of Mike Pattaya... Because most of the time Bolt is cheaper. See screenshot: I was meeting @bkkmfj2648 for dinner and to catch up about our adventures and gossip. We than went to Boyztown. As you can read in part 15 of my trip report I had some unfinished business in Boyz Boyz Boyz with a waiter I had the hots for but didn't off last time because I thought with asking 3000 baht they were ripping me off / overpricing. I got a lot of reactions from you guys about this. Understanding the higher rate because he is waiter and not barboy, and also tips about how to deal with this as maybe the fact that a papasan was involved the price was inflated by the papasan. We arrived in Boyztown around 10pm. Had a quick look already in Boyz Boyz Boyz but is was very quiet. Only 2 customers sitting inside already. So we decided to sit down on the terrace of Castro first. Plan was to do a bit of people watching. But there was not much to see... Also on the terraces and in the street only few people this Sunday night. It was 11:30pm when we went in at Boyz Boyz Boyz again. Surprisingly the bar was full of guests. While we didn't see much people entering from our spot on the terrace. The guests somehow seemed to be appeared from nowhere... I was happy to see the cute waiter was on duty. We got seated and drinks were ordered. Cute waiter was busy attending two seperate groups of customers. Drinking a lot of shots from them. When I went to the bathroom, he also came to pee. And that was when he recognized me. This was my chance. So I directly asked him if he wanted to come back to my hotel with me. He checked what I wanted. I asked whats he having in the menu... Kissing oke sucking oke. No fucking. So actually same info as he gave last time. Perfect. He told me he is very shy guy. And he actually only went home with customer one time before. Not only because he is shy, but also because he is afraid of what customers would want to do with him. I comforted him that I was oke with what he just said, so that I would not expect fucking. Back in the bar, he came sit with us. Time to talk business. Reminder: last time, via papasan, they asked 3000 baht for me to take him to my hotel. Now, speaking directly to cute waiter, he lowered his price to 2000 baht without me having even to negotiate. Oke. That's a deal! In the meantime another waiter/papasan plus a mamasan had started talking to @bkkmfj2648. Trying to convince him to also take a boy home. Already being a bit drunk, he felt for buying both the papasan and the mamasan a drink on his costs. Soon we decided to leave as it was going to costs too much money to continue this way.... Hahaha. Arrived in Agate hotel, cute waiter and I sit down on the balcony for some smalltalk and he wanted to smoke / vape. His English was good enough to have a nice conversation. He is from Bangkok (his mother, cat and dog still live there) but came to Pattaya because according to him more work here. His tactics in the bar: just being cute and go for the groups of customers and try to get as many drinks and shots from them as possible, so he can live form the drink incentives and tips he's earning. He is gay but not on Grindr or any other app bevause he is "afraid" of the gays in Pattaya. After work time he likes to hang out with friends at the beach in Jomtien. For even more drinking. Time to take a shower together. Now cute waiter wasn't so shy anymore. We soaped each others bodies. And started kissing. To the bed. More kissing. With tongue. He was pretty good. And also he sucked good, eager and deep. Again: nothing shy about this boy in bed... His shyness had completely disappeared. He even went naked on the balcony of my hotel room to smoke / vape. According to cute waiter it was because when he is with somebody he likes, he is not shy at all. Only when there are many people (and his friends) around, like in the bar. You know how they always say you should never meet your hero as chances are it wil only be disappointing? Well... I had doubts about going back to cute waiter after the failed try to off him last time. What if he's not interested anymore? Or he is disappointing in bed because I have high expectations because I think he is so cute? I'm glad I did go back for him and had the guts to try to off him again. As it turned out I could make a good deal with him and also the time spent with him was very nice, enjoyable and horny.
    17 points
  2. reader

    Arrival report

    Pleased to inform readers that I awakened this morning to my second day of rainless and partly overcast skies over Bangkok. The air is cool enough to open the windows and take in a pleasant breeze. The last two evening were perfect for walking. Getting in about 11:45 on Wednesday night, there was only one person in front of me at immigration. Less than three minutes later I was on my way. Spent the first night at The Quarter Silom on Soi Tarntawan. Check in was quick and I immediately messaged my friend to meet me in the lobby. He arrived 15 minutes later and no problem whatsoever bringing him to room (I’d booked for two, including breakfast). Rooms here are tight an compact but very clean with a most comfortable bed and walk in shower. The buffet breakfast offered much more than I expected and we more than satisfied. Checked out at 11:45 and front desk allowed us to check bags while I went to phone store to renew my plan (200 bht per month). It was raining lightly but not enough to keep us from short walk to Airbnb. Rain cleared by evening and we walked around the Silom-Silom rectangle. In anticipation of Vinapu’s impending visit, KFC has opened a new location in the site at Rama 4 and Silom Rd. Once the home of Robinson’s Department store, it now houses Silom Edge, a multi-use complex and the Colonel appears to be among the first occupancies to open. One thing that caught our eye were massage shops that seemed to be doing a good business. Spoke briefly with a few friendly guys on upper Silom and on Soi Six who reported that business has been good. The outdoor food stalls we’re doing a brisk business along Surawong. Stopped for meal at The Beer Garden and waitress remembered I like ice in my Leo. Have a haircut on the agenda today and a trip to Foodland to gather provisions. It’s great to be back.
    15 points
  3. PART 1, common stuff This trip came even as surprise to myself. I was planning to go somewhere lese but things did not work so I was left with both free time and untouched travel fund allotted for that trip not to even mention desire to travel. So I decided to look for some last minute options and one of my friends who actually spent December there suggested Puerto Vallarta in Mexico. Him not being gay did not even realize how illustrious that advise sounded to me in view of supposed vast gay scene there and 273 clicks later my package consisting flight , hotel, breakfast and airport transfer in PV both ways was purchased. All I had to do was to pack, get some information both tourist and about the scene and wait few days for an actual flight to take that week long vacation. This was my third visit to Mexico but last being 20 years ago almost to the day and then free from any boy hunting made me feeling I’m discovering uncharted territory specially that previously I was in different parts of country. Puerto Vallarta is on Pacific coast in the bottom od quite vast Banderas bay and is quite big city of about 200 000 which was good new meaning there’s something to do if weather interferes. September is not a best time to go there according to my information as it is rainy season but it turned much better than expected. City was still full of vacationers , mainly Mexicans, but not crowded, flight both ways was about 2/3 full and rainy season turned quite pleasant with sunny mornings and afternoons, it was raining daily early evening but with exception of one day rain lasted 1-2 hrs max. One day deluge lasting from 6 pm to at least 3 am, perhaps longer but I fall asleep so don’t know did not stop me from having fun, all I need was to wring my shirt before entering strip bar . More about that later. City is neatly divided into 4 parts , from airport going south Marina section , then Hotel Zone changing into Centre and than after crossing the river , Zona Romantica, main entertainment and above everything else, gay entertainment part. Small island between that Zona and Centre has best art crafts market in whole city in my opinion and no souvenir shopping should be done without visiting there. Speaking about crafts , after my previous visit to Mexico out of all countries I visited and I visited more than one I rated that country along with Peru , Morocco , Iran , India and Myanmar as best place to shop but not any more as , like almost everywhere cheap, Chinese produced stuff , uniformly looking takes most of space of shelves although still a lot of interesting stuff can be found. It’s quite possible that situation in other parts of country like Mexico city is much better but PV did not impress me that much when comes to that stuff. Communication is easy, taxis are everywhere and bus system easy to master with fares of 10 peso = 50 US cents. What to do there other than shopping , strolling along Malecon and of course enjoying the ocean’s warm waters ? ( gay part will come in a while ). Out of 6 full days there I stay in the city for first and last , middle part of stay devoting to day time trips visiting attractions listed below. Vallarta Botanical Gardens, 45 minutes bus trip, fare 1.50 USD one way, cut out of jungle with trekking and river bathing options with good restaurant on the site. Take bathing suit and towel. Jungle trek along the shore from Boca de Tomatlan ( 30 minutes by bus , 50 cents ) taking about 3 hours with possible sunbathing and swimming on few secluded small beaches , including one I had just to myself for good hour. It end in Las Animas where you can have a lunch and return by boat ( 200 peso = 10 USD ) to Boca and back to PV by bus for another 50 cents. Sayulita , small but very popular city with good beach and plenty of attractive boutiques for shoppers and known for good surf. Buses from Wal Mart in Marina part of PV going there every ½ hr , trip takes 1.5 hr one way and cost heart stopping 1.5 $ USD = 30 peso. Yelapa, secluded beach village accessible only by boat, 400 peso = 20 USD round trip from PV. There’s beach , restaurants and 2 waterfalls, smaller close to the village , bigger one requiring 1-1.5 hr trek one way. I opted for big one and it was not a right decision in rainy season as getting there requires crossing the river which after last night rain was quite swollen and I backed up afraid that if something would happen to me , nobody knew as I was there alone. So wait for dry season to get there. My package included stay in Tropicana hotel very conveniently located on the beach , just south of Zona Romantica, 15 minutes walk to Anthropology ( soon you will learn why it’s important ), steps from Blue Chairs gay hotel and beach. In short location was excellent. When combing gay sites I learned they hotel is very gay friendly so it made me even more excited. I was assigned room on the last floor with view almost to die for. Room was spacious , had balcony, hotel had not one but two pools. What for with ocean just outside the gate I don’t know but both were occupied heavily during day. Disappointing part for hotel of this class and first quarter of 21 century was no internet in the room , only in common areas on ground level. I solved it by buying SIM card with data for 150 peso = 7.5 USD but still was disappointed. There was no kettle in the room to make tea or coffee , again I solved it by bringing my own immense water heater and metal cup. Drinking water was provided but only 2 bottles for the whole stay, not daily. And final, gay friendly doesn’t mean guest friendly. Guest was required to register, obtain bracelet removed subsequently on departure and host was supposed to pay 300 peso -= 15 USD joiner fee. All this in place charging 80-130 $ per night !!! When compared to Thailand we can see that hotel value there is much , much , much better. Still I would stay there again, mainly because of location and view – almost all rooms have unobstructed ocean view but only as part of package. Having flight and hotel cost me only 260 $ more than just flight only for the same dates so daily rate was slightly above 30 $, it’s why I’m not complaining. Finally before we move to more interesting subject , since this is Mexico we need to mention crime situation and here I have very good news for you. In Puerto Vallarta it is not your concern. I was walking nightly through in parts very deserted streets very late , sometimes at 1-2 pm and never ever had reason for concern. On the first day I arrived in hotel at 7 pm , by time I settled it was dark and went about the completely unknown to me city and it was all peaceful and quiet , of course with exception of being close to raucous gay and straight bars ( gay ones were noisier ). I had one more attraction included in the package , unknown to me. When we landed we were greeted with news that 3 hours earlier there was earthquake. Then when about the city on my fist night I went to restaurant I was told that they may close soon as they expect tsunami warning which did not materialize fortunately. Finally , deep into night when I arrived from Anthropology ( soon , soon , relax ) around 3 am and went to bed before I fell asleep I felt hotel dancing and it lasted good 40 seconds if not more. It was pretty strong but not strong enough to create damage. Not a first earthquake in my life but still memorable experience. Gay part coming most likely tomorrow
    14 points
  4. I am in Bangkok. I do not personally see the need for masks. However, it is the law and it is the norm and I wear them everywhere. This is not my country and I owe respect to those that are Thai. My feelings are irrelevant. I have seen many eye rolls at foreigners who take off the masks. For those that wish to follow the norms in the USA, feel free and go to USA and do that. But, when in Thailand, respect their rules and norms.
    14 points
  5. Part 23: The Dutch speaking hot Thai boy During the day I was visiting the old part of Chinatown in Bangkok (Talat Noi) just for a walk and look around and have an afternoon snack. I found a very nice cafe, build in an old Chinese mansion: Hong Sieng Kong. They have a big terrace with view over the river and the inside of the place is beautiful. That's what I like about Bangkok. Even if you've been there already a dozen of times, you will always be able to discover something new. Later that day I would do another great discovery; a Thai/Dutch guy that was prefect in bed... Lol But first I have to confess something. The night with Indonesian boy going from bar to bar a day earlier was fun again. Was nice to have some company and talk in between the acts and during the boyparade about which boys are hot. If you go alone you off course still have papasan or mamasan that is willing to talk to you. But you can't say you think a boy is looking good because he/she will directly insist you invite the boy over for a drink. Somehow the other nights in Bangkok I didn't really feel going to the bars anymore. The past weeks I've been visiting the different bars a few times. It's the same show every time. Having to sit out hours of mostly horrible "entertainment" and to be lucky that somebody you like will be in the boyparade later. Off course this can be solved by going to the bars earlier. And find your catch of the night before the shows start. But it was already past 10 o clock when I realised this. For sure I will be back in the bars during a next trip to Bangkok, but probabaly this holiday it was a bit of an overkill for now. Plus I must say that during this trip in Thailand, I've had the nicest experiences and best sex with guys I've found on Grindr. They were better than the boys I took home from a bar. With the beste example being Ukrainian guy I have written about. Since about 3 weeks I was chatting on Grindr with a very hot boy. Seeing his profile pic and bowing my weak spot for 6packs, you will understand why I contacted him: And the profile text of this 26yr old stud made it even more interesting: My first thought was: let me be your daddy... Lol. I am from The Netherlands, so that this guy was mixed Thai / Dutch made it very intriguing. I needed to know more. He moved to The Netherlands when he was 6 and when covid hit the world somehow he ended up in Bangkok. Liked it so much there that he decided to stay. It was so strange to be able to speak my own language, Dutch, with this guy that looked very much Thai to me. But yeah if you looked good you could tell it was a bit of a mixed breed. Besided the 6pack I already mentioned, his main features were a bubble butt and blonde dyed hair. When we entered my hotel room he immediately started kissing me in a passionate way (with tongue). Nice big full lips. He took some coconut oil with him for a massage. And he proved to have excellent massage skills also. The right pressure, taking his time. It was so relaxing I was almost falling asleep. But when he told me to turn around and I was reminded of what a hottie I had in my room, I became active again. Lol Dutch Thai had a submissive side. He loved sucking my dick long, good and deep. Than he asked me if he could ride my dick. Of course I had no objections. In several positions I used his bubble butt as a bouncing castle. I cum in his face and mouth while exactly at the same moment he sprays his cum all over his 6pack. HOT. Another look at his 6pack... So... Yeah... Another amazing discovery via Grindr. He asked a bit more than the average Thai moneyboy, but he was the 3000 baht worth!
    14 points
  6. Part 2 continued Strip Clubs After combing internet I was expecting to visit all four listed, three of them on Cardenas , practically one beside another. But it did not work that way – Pervert seemed to disappear or relocate but I did not find where. Wet Dreams looked closed for low season I checked almost daily well past midnight but no , it was not opened. Hope in future. 69 is opened but I had bad luck as it was in process of renovation for 2 weeks, I even saw work in process and scheduled to re-open 2 days after my departure. There’s prominent sign in the window “men only admitted”. Obviously no trace of political correctness there. This left me with only choice - Anthropology. That bar is located actually outside of Zona Romantica , immediately across the river, just past bridge. During day it can be overlooked but at night is lighted with psychedelic neon and just to make sure there ‘s bare chested , well built but also well past his prime guy on duty at the entrance making sure all visitors are making donation in absence of entry ticket. Each time I was placing 100 peso = 5 USD in the jar but had impression that 50 or even 20 would do. I visited it 4 times, including one during deluge when in order to enter I needed to wring at the entrance my soaked and dripping shirt. Every time it was busy , at times very busy with standing room only. Ladies are admitted but behaved well. But not too many old gringos in audience , Every time I felt like a dean of customers with my white hair. So how it works there ? You climb the stairs to find yourself in very spacious bar , take a seat and order drink. Corona beer cost only 50 for customer but 150 for a boy if you invite one for drink. Each time it was at least 20-30 guys on duty. There are more lavishly priced drinks , at times boys even ordered 2 which cost 400 but there’s advantage to it – boy is sitting with you until his drink is finished. They are quite reasonable , not gulping it all in one go , so you can count on 15-20 minutes of conversation, some caressing , hugging, kissing , depending how brave you are and how inclined guy is. I noticed some are reserved and others extremely easily forthcoming. They are dressed in their underwear , sometimes also t-shirt but will remove it on request immediately. Yes , you can feel their privates, cock usually was erect and erection enforced by rubber ring and those are Latin cocks, cocks of size ! Most boys asked for a tip or another drink, but few just finished their glass and left to the next customer or to perform. My system was 500 i.e. if boy ordered 2 drinks and it cost 400 , 100 was his tip, if ordered cheaper one for say 250, 250 was his tip. They were asking for private dance promising 20 minutes for 500. I took bait 2 times but found it poor value. They have rooms for that upstairs, you pay 500 to the cashier and you both climb the stairs close door and you have naked adonis to play with. In both cases they asked for 500 tip on top of fee paid already so total was 1000= 50 USD and in both cases 20 minutes lasted 10 and 15. So definitely not worth it unless you really like guy which was my second case. I had him sitting with me every night. I’m not sure they took an advantage of my newness with that extra tip or that is the system. If I stay longer I’d find out. I spoke to one of boys and he admitted they prefer tip to drinks on which they get some commission but boss is watching and is expecting them to have certain number of drinks. He also said that boys can be take out for a familiar fee of 500 but I did not get to it, may be next time. Some boys spoke very good English , some almost none and everything in between. As for shows there’s always at least one at any given time, always solo , on one of three venues : main stage, pole dancing and shower . Sometimes one guy is performing on the stage and at the same time other is showering. Shower show by the way is only one with full nudity and boys there are not shy. Main stage performers usually sport rigid member , rather surely enforced by cock ring. After their part boys circulate among audience asking for tips so better be prepared with change although it’s easy to get one from waiter , I paid for my 50 peso beer with 500 note , asked for change for tips and I got fistful of 20 and 50 peso notes as a change, easy. Of course waiter got 20 peso for his efforts. You may have situation that at the same time 3 guys are circulating , main stager , shower guy and pole dancer , each with his hat you should place your tip in but also with his poking cock you can get a feel of for few precious seconds. All at time when you have another guy sitting with you already and not exactly saying rosary either . Fun there never stops but also money is flowing like the river. But there’s little pressure, you get his smile and feel of whatever part of his body you fancy ( some assess are just God sent) whether you tip 20 or 100 and if you don’t they are moving to next client. Boys are not shy and quite happy to share their attributes with you for a moment or three as long as you grease their palms. I had fun there every time but Guardian Angel instructed me to take only so much money so when it was gone , shortly was I, happy but empty pocketed ( 3000 each night, 2-3 hrs of non stop fun including 3-4 boys sitting with me for a time ) In comparison with Thai bars refreshing is absence of mamasans, boys are doing their soliciting by themselves but as I said , with very little pressure , I can recall only one so called face when I tipped guy just 20 peso. Those who frequent Tawan will find an atmosphere similar.
    11 points
  7. Thais wore masks on buses doing the Jomtien trip when I was in in Pattaya a few weeks ago. Occasionally, one or two passengers of the twelve didn't, invariably falang. I thought it showed disrespect to our hosts.
    9 points
  8. Just returned from Thailand. I preferred to respect their fondness for mask wearing where it makes sense - indoors, transportation, crowded soi. But not elsewhere. Saw some Thai people climbing Phu Chi Fah in a mask at dawn! Seeing ferang on the BTS maskless seemed so disrespectful.
    9 points
  9. Part 2 Disclaimer : my time there was short and it was my first visit in Mexico boy hunting so don’t treat anything I write as a Gospel. Those are my impressions but all is based on relatively small statistic sample gathered in short span of time so I may be wrong or inaccurate. When comes to pricing , definitely I made typical novice’s mistakes buy over paying and under negotiating services. Even after week I saw it. Even if spot on, I’m also not sure how representative PV scene is to rest od country. At least two members with experience in Mexico suspected that scene there is spoiled by affluent California queeny gays. Gay scene “Romantica “ in Zona Romantica district name refers chiefly to gays. Couples are very visible day and night, both locals and gringos as PV is considered by many gay capital of Mexico. Walking guys holding hands even after Sunday mass are not drawing any attention. And PLU are supporting vide range of businesses in Zona , Cardenas being main street where a lot of businesses catering to gays are located, not all of them opened though. Go-go bars and street trade That’s easy, I did not hear about those when researching destination before arriving and did not see any on the ground so safely can assume there’s none. I was offered weed at least 4 times and if there’s any street trade I assume I would see guys available, particularly that I was wandering through the streets of Zona Romantica and Malecon at various times , including well after midnight. Sauna Not my scene but there’s Spartacus on main drag open till 6 am well lit and with warning ‘ men only , do not enter if you don’t like gay lifestyle” posted inside just in front of entry. Clubs Quite a few , well attended by both genders, visible from far because of lights and noise, again did not survey because it’s not my scene. Industry, Paco Ranch and Slaughters seemed particularly popular. Massages Several shops in Zona including 4 in close vicinity of my hotel , guys are usually sitting or standing outside quite actively inviting business. Almost all on older side 25+ including few with greying hair already and invariably well build. Twink lovers don’t have much i.e. anything to do in PV, not in massages , nor in strip club , not even on Grindr. Vallarta visitors like their boys on better built side , that’s my firm impression. And those who know me , know that I liked what was on offer. I took 5 massages and describe them in the next part but my general observation from that sample are : There’s no mention of shower before or after, one just goes to the room , gets massaged and that’s it. Guys are massaging you fully dressed, t -shirt and track pants or shorts. Yes, it’s possible to undress them but for a fee. Forget about hanky panky , everything other than massage is done in silence and conspiracy. Most guys are very willing to exchange contact info for further encounters outside of working hours. Guys are rotating often so if you see one you fancy , grab him , don’t assume he will be there next day. I learned that lesson in one shop where guy at front was made of my dreams but I was returning from jungle trek and wanted to take shower first. Went to hotels , showered , returned and he was gone to be never seen again and I was passing by at least twice daily. Massage is invariably started from upper back , opposite to way practised in Thailand. In comparison to Thai massages guys in PV seem to be better trained and coverage is also better but under pressured. I like my massages strong and only one , my last, was strong enough. Perhaps those biggish guys were afraid to crush KFC man?. More details will be in part 3 “Boys” , planned at sometime between now and Christmas. Apps I use only Grindr and before arrival I promised to myself to involve only guys who will contact me first in line with my rule to hire guys who are smiling at me recognizing my presence. Like massages and strip club, guys there are old older and hunkier side. A lot seemed to be visitors. Money boys and even massage offers are very discreet, much more so than in Bangkok , not to mention Pattaya. So basically one needs to ask as descriptions tend to be very cryptic. As we learn in future I had a luck securing guy for the nightly sessions. And another one for single session. One of my massages was arranged by app and after another massage I spot my guy there inviting him for repeat at night in my room. (part 2 to be continued as I don't want post to be too long )
    8 points
  10. Don't be an idiot. I am expressing my opinion.
    8 points
  11. Thanks for the night out again, Emiel. At our pre warmup dinner at Natans in Jomtien, our time together went too fast. We had SO much gossip to catch up on. Note to the other readers - it is really cool to meet up with members because you can get ALL of the juicy details and if the person with whom you are meeting with is willing - you can see the HOT HOT HOT photos of the guys that were encountered. I can ascertain that ALL of Emiel's conquests were definitely hotties, especially those 6 pack abs guys. The waitress at Natans was trying to be very descrete when I was observing the Phuket African HOT naked photo that I almost dropped Emiel's phone when I realized that her neck was stretched as far as possible to see that lovely cock that I was observing. As Emiel mentioned in his report, he saved me from over accomodating the papasan and mamasan requests to celebrate in drinks Emiel's success in offing the cute Boyz Town waiter. Truly, everyone was happy.
    8 points
  12. It's been some years since I have been to Thailand thanks to the Covid lockdowns, but even before then I found myself guarding my wallet while visiting the bars in Bangkok. The prices of 400 per drink was a bit expensive in my opinion. When people here in the USA ask me about the nightlife in Thailand I don't hide the price for the mandatory drink. Sure, a limited number reduce the price for the 2nd drink but I can only remember once place doing that in Bangkok. I show them the webpages of guys and the bar shenanigans captured by hidden camera and posted on the porn sites. When I am asked about Brazil, I can't help but gush on how attractive the common citizen is there. Even the homeless guys look like they could be representatives for Calvin Klein. The gay bars have cheap drink prices but they charge an entrance fee. The saunas are wild and I have been to some in Sao Paulo and Rio that put what you see on porn sites to shame. Thailand has Walking Street. Rio has Lapa. If I had to choose a street to party on, it would be the Lapa area. Lapa is a Gay/Straight party zone with bars and saunas peppered all around. If you are shopping. Thailand has it all over Rio in my opinion. Sure Rio has markets similar to JJ Market, but Bangkok beats Rio in shopping period. Transportation? Thailand... Bangkok has the Sky Train and Rio has the Subway. Thailand has motorcycle taxi's, Tuktuks, Taxi's and Uber type apps. Brazil has Taxi's, Motor cycle taxis in limited areas and Uber type apps. I have to give the win to Brazil for Transport of tourist if only for the no-haggle cheap taxi rides you get using the apps like 99 and Uber. I hear Thailand has a new app that make hiring any type taxi a cheap and painless process but I have not been there to experience that yet. The guys. Depends on what you like. If you like masculine guys with big dicks and plump asses wearing flipflops, you will love Brazil. If you like lean guys, with slight size bodies, sculped legs and solid asses standing on flipflops, you will love Thailand. Cost of guys? Brazil wins.... (My opinion). Food? Thailand wins! I have never heard anyone say they go to Brazil for the food... Thailand wins. AirB&B Rentals... Thailand wins. I've stayed in places in Thailand for $30 a night that can't be beat! I am not complaining about the AirB&B's in Brazil but they can't hold a candle to Thailand accommodations. As I write this I am packing my bags to return to Brazil. Brazil is a non-stop hump fest of beautiful guy after handsome guy, but Thailand has that certain allure that can't be duplicated in a Latin country. And often when I leave Brazil, I am often spent and ready to relax every part of my body by going home. When I am leaving Thailand, I often don't want to go. It's hard to say goodbye to an easy breakfast morning under the umbrellas on the beach. The waves whispering its lazy arrival to the sands of the beach. The toned guys in speedos hoping for your attention. The cute touts offering trinkets while your eyes buy every curve and bulge of their flesh. It's hard to say goodbye to the freshly made street food, the smiles of guys you have not had a chance to get to, or one of the many bars you never visited but promised you would. The musical singsong of love promises even when they forget your name.. Thailand is hard to say goodbye to for me. Brazil... Lets just say on my last day in Brazil I often throw away my leftover condoms as if I never need to have sex again. Is gay nightlife too expensive in Thailand? Yes. But that is not a good reason to stay away.
    7 points
  13. Thais wear masks so, for me, it's a case of "when in Rome do as the Romans do". I do however draw the line when I am exercising in our semi rural area and when I'm alone driving the car. In that same area I do see the majority of motorcyclists fully masked up.... but not weating a helmet. TiT.
    7 points
  14. On the subject of covering the face----if your date turns out to be not so good looking then remember the two bags rule: Before having sex put one over his head, and a second bag over your own head in case his bag falls off.
    7 points
  15. The fact that Brazilian men are hotter and better in bed had me change my vacation plans!
    7 points
  16. A thoughtful analysis. I have been to both Thailand and Brazil. One thing. Thailand is infinitely safer. Brazil has a crime problem.
    7 points
  17. my readers may be interested in report of my recent trip to Puerto Vallarta , Mexico (my apologies for shameless promotion ) I posted it in Latin America forum here : https://www.gayguides.com/forums/topic/38379-another-trip-report-this-time-from-puerto-vallarta-mexico/
    6 points
  18. For several reasons I still wear the mask. For me, I wear it because nearly all the Thais wear it and I live here. Even though the mask is no longer required in public, so many places still require it that it seems pointless to me to try avoiding it. Also, I have become so used to wearing the mask that now I feel uncomfortable and awkward if I'm not wearing it. It's not hurting anything, so I wear it. I take it off when driving my car or entering a restaurant. Other than that, most of the time it's on. One other little thing - with a face that looks like mine, I'm doing the world a favor by covering it up with the mask. A few others around here might be kind enough to consider doing the same . . . "I know I'm ugly. On Halloween when I open the door, the kids give me candy." - Rodney Dangerfield
    6 points
  19. few pictures, including my private secluded beach before we start whoring
    5 points
  20. As visitors to their country we should respect their wishes vis à vis masks. What we do in our own country is our own business. Farang disregarding local sentiment is not a good look for us Imho.
    5 points
  21. Same here and many family and friends think I am a dinosaur because I am not on facebook. I am from an age when Privacy was an important possession to be protected.
    5 points
  22. From Thai PBS World The Philippines will deport 40,000 Chinese workers in a crackdown on unlicensed online gaming businesses, an official said Tuesday, after reports of kidnapping, prostitution and murder in the gambling industry. So-called Philippine offshore gaming operators, or POGOs, have boomed since 2016 as former president Rodrigo Duterte pursued closer trade and investment ties with China. But the influx of tens of thousands of Chinese workers in the sector that targets customers in China, where gambling is illegal, has created friction. Many Filipinos complain POGOs have evaded taxes and driven up property rates while not providing job opportunities because not enough locals speak Chinese languages.
    4 points
  23. Thank you for the extensive trip report. As I’ve mentioned, I love PV in many ways as a vacation destination. Beautiful scenery, weather, inexpensive & excellent food. That said, I would not go to PV if the main goal is a “hunting trip”. It just doesn’t compare with how other members have described Thailand and absolutely doesn’t compare to Brazil…or even Spain IMO. There are workers to be had, but vast majority are available online and that fluctuates wildly according to time of year. During peak season from late December to April, PV is flooded with boys from all over the world, including some very expensive escorts that include PV as part of their global circuit. And the hourly rates will vary depending on where they are from. PV tends to draw a lot of American escorts during high season with hourly rates that are the same as paid in NYC, LA or Miami. There are boys from South America and other parts of Mexico, that will be less - but, they all know some of the Americans are getting those premium rates. During the off-season when the higher end foreign escorts are not in PV, then rates will be lower and it will be mostly Mexicans. Also, while PV does attract some older gringos, the majority of PV crowd during high season is circuit boys who are much younger and the entire scene is geared towards them. It’s not Thailand where it’s been described as catering to older gringos and it’s not Brazil where any age is welcome in the saunas as long as you pay. Due to the dominance of gay Americans in PV and many young ones there to party, you may feel out of place during high season when it’s got an overall circuit party feel….and there is plenty of “attitude” that comes from those younger boys in PV to party. It would be a completely different crowd and experience during the summer months or low season. I would absolutely still go to PV to enjoy the many wonderful things on offer. There are occasional opportunities for sex if you’re willing to pay and that depends on what you expect. For an encounter like in a Brazilian sauna (actual sex) it’s going to cost you more than you think and will likely only be possible in your hotel room for an hour. PV is just not setup for anything like a Brazilian sauna and the massage places do not operate as Thai massage places described here. I’m sure you can occasionally “off” a stripper in a club, but there is no formal practice to do it and it would be something unusual vs standard practice in Thailand. You can have strip club encounters as described, but it’s going to be clothes-on for the customer and varying degrees of undress for the boy under a tightly controlled time schedule. I do enjoy strip clubs myself, but never go with the idea of any actual sex and never go to the private rooms bc I know their game. And that game is the same as in US, which is to do as little as possible and get the most amount of money, all while trying to keep the customer engaged for as long as possible. Others may find complete satisfaction in those encounters and if so, then PV has plenty of options in that area for sure. If you’ve never been to Puerta Vallarta, it’s well worth the trip just make sure you know what to expect regarding weather during the time you plan to visit and set your expectations accordingly re: the scene with the boys. It’s super gay friendly & accommodating, prices are less than the US but not like Brazil/Thailand and the actual sex will be limited and cost more than you think (as a visiting older gringo tourist). Prices could be considerably less if you speak fluent Spanish and really know your way around Mexico.
    4 points
  24. zombie

    Is Dreamboys Moving?

    Last night (30 Sept) I in Dreamboy. Waitor says they move today= 1 October to the next door premises-before called Lucky Boys. The waitor says new bar "only on one level" ..no idea what he means as I already have a lot to drink. The old premises I am told "will close". Maybe someone can give report on the new Dreamboy as tonight is opening . I now in recovery from boozy and fun last night and into the early morning! 😂
    4 points
  25. You can say the same about nationals from just about every country.
    4 points
  26. I can get sex where I live(even for free), but I am not interested in anyone over 35 years old, ugly, or out of shape. I have the money to burn at this point in my life and I enjoy traveling, so why not go abroad.
    4 points
  27. I find myself in a similar situation as you do (small city), my tatses are very simple, my #1 preference is for Asian guys and where I live there are very few gay or bi Asians here and those that are prefer guys closer to their age. Looking at the apps there really isn't much at all in my area that takes my interest and not a lot on offer anyway, maybe I'm just too picky. Maybe if there was a good Asian masseur in Perth that offered full service I would visit there more often. It all makes my trips to Thailand more enjoyable and I am very much looking forward to my 2023 trip.
    4 points
  28. Also Australian but from a smaller city. I’m admittedly picky but have a broad range of taste from twinks to muscly types but it’s been grim the past 12 months. Prices on rentmen keeping going up and the guys often ugly or old. Most have no professionalism either, communication is like pulling teeth. Grindr is likewise useless unless you’re hot enough to have gotten their attention without money anyway. Clearly the economy can’t that bad yet 😂 So many catfish too. 50% of the twinks are just people fishing for pics to wank to. My local scene has never been great but damn has it gotten worse since Covid.
    4 points
  29. Puerta Vallarta is awesome & I’ve been many times. The weather is very predictable by season & it really depends on your personal preferences/tolerance. I used to stay in hotels, but now condos only because the prices aren’t that much more expensive & so many new buildings with excellent facilities. The only issue with condos is they are frequently booked very far in advance for peak periods. One of the best condo booking agencies is www.pvrpv.com - extremely gay friendly & helpful. Beware of some PV hotels with top ratings on TripAdvisor - I booked one and arrived to a literal dump and promptly checked out & moved into a condo. It was a nightmare to get the hotel to refund payment (many of them require payment in full before arrival) and ended up with a dispute via my credit company, which ended in my favor. For either hotels or condos, direct referrals from someone who knows the properties is a good idea. I have no idea how they can scam TripAdvisor for excellent ratings, but they do it.
    4 points
  30. Slightly off topic, I have never understood why the USA has imposed such strict sanctions against Cuba for so many decades. Wasn't Cuba a den of vice for the mafia prior to the Revolution? Did the USA tolerate all that? I can understand the action against the island following the nuclear weapons discovery but that matter was resolved through back channel diplomacy between Kennedy and Kruschev. 6 decades have now passed. The Soviet Union ended 3 decades ago. The USA fought a long war against Vietnam which ended almost 5 decades ago. The countries are now friends with almost $100 billion of trade between them even though Vietnam is run by a one-party communist government. Cuba offers many of its people two items which cost a fortune for many citizens on the USA - free education and free healthcare. It also has a higher literacy rate than that in the USA. Why is the country crippled by continuing US sanctions? Why does Washington regard it in the same light as Iran?
    4 points
  31. I knew in advance that Thailand still has a Covid mask requirement in place but, traveling from the US, I was still a little surprised that virtually all the Thais I see in Bangkok are wearing masks. At the same time, many/most of the farang I encounter are not. Personally, I would much rather not wear a mask but I do because it feels a little disrespectful not to. I am curious to know what other members are doing. Yes, I understand that many Asian countries (starting with China) have not lifted Covid restrictions as quickly as the US & Europe. No, I absolutely do not want to re-open the discussion of the pros & cons of how different countries have responded to the pandemic.
    4 points
  32. I don't get anything in Wales, but that said I do get offers on Grinder off guys that are usually way off my radar 😬 I now have 2 holidays per year to Asia /'Jomtien in order to get what I fancy.......nice young twink Asian boys.......in fact I think that's all that does it for me now. I really don't want overweight, old or hairy lol, as I'd rather go without ☺️ I do have an Indonesian friend here in Wales that I play only badminton with ( sadly nothing else) and one day we did go together to a gay Sauna in Northwich, Cheshire, UK. That was my first experience of a gay Sauna so clearly I was nervous and didn't know anything. My friend certainly attracted a lot of attention though 😜 Since that time, I've frequented a few Saunas in BKK and Jomtien and I am pleased I stayed at Babylon when it was open. Brilliant time there and similarly at Sansuk, Jomtien where I've had a few great times. I return in a couple of weeks and hope Sansuknhas reopened in order to enjoy the experience once again post- covid. 😜
    4 points
  33. I stiil wear a mask here in Western Australia when on public transport or if going into crowded places like shopping centres and I will no doubt wear a mask in Thailand when I go if mandated or not, the risk for me will be restaurants, bars and massage places. My reasoning is simple, underlying health conditions, even a common cold can be bad news for me. If others choose to wear one or not is up to them.
    4 points
  34. I feel naked without a mask, weird. People complain about wearing a mask, yet wear clothes....I feel it's more a political statement than anything else....I don't get it 😏
    4 points
  35. From what I saw in Chaturbate the Colombian boys among the most beautiful boys on earth the variety is amazing from blacks to white blondes from boyish slim to hunks a boy for every taste,I am so excited for my upcoming trip in November.
    4 points
  36. As a diabetic, I give many fucks when it comes to health in my declining years. I expect to enjoy Thailand for a few years to come and remain determined not to take unnecessary risks. I shall also wear a seat-belt on my way to the airport.
    4 points
  37. Brazil has a racist and homophobic PM, backed by deranged US-style- evangelicals. I've always wanted to go, ever since I saw Black Orpheus fifty years ago.... but I'll stick toThailand.
    4 points
  38. If you are not beaches lover ( like me lol ) I don't see any problem coming to Thailand in the wet season everything is much cheaper, less tourist crowds and less competition for boys.
    4 points
  39. vinapu

    Jupiter on Twitter

    Strangely I have the same feeling when looking in the mirror every morning
    4 points
  40. Not just Thailand, bar owners in the Philippines (Angeles city) have been doing that for many years now (at least since the early 1990's). The moment business drops off up go the prices, funny enough it's the bars that are owned by foreigners that started the trend over there.
    3 points
  41. I agree. The series has almost play-like qualities. Camera work is also different from other BLs, resembling more that of an art house or indie movies. It’s currently streaming on GagaOOLala with the episode 8 (finale) to be aired on October 3. The son - Pond - who debuted as Danny in Bangkok Love Stories 2: Innocence - is all grown up at 23 and looks quite a bit different from his debut role, where he was just 18 or 19. Surprisingly, Win, who played JC (parkour traceur) is 10 years older than Pond, but looked younger in Innocence - another mystery of Asian appearance. Spoiler alert: if you are looking for usual BL “action”, you’d be disappointed - none of that, so far, in the first 7 episodes leading up to the finale.
    3 points
  42. No, they don't. They only put the mask on when they leave with a farang. It's a good disguise.
    3 points
  43. They were, but a lot of it is the exchange rate. Using @thaiophilus 's numbers, the chart shows the number of Chang beers you could buy for the cost of a Soho pint. Currently it is 1.75 but in the past it has been as high as 3.25. This doesn't account for any change in the local currency cost of beer, which may make the difference even larger.
    3 points
  44. One guy asked if I was "Gen" on Grindr. I heartily replied "yes". Now and then I set my profile to say "GENtleman" and occasionally send pics of cash to certain hotties. I also note this rarely works on any profiles listed as "bottoms"
    3 points
  45. I will never forget my first visit to this extraordinary and stunning city. It was a three-day week-end in a goriously sunny October in 1978. Since then I have returned three times, twice with my bf of the day. Once with a Thai friend was in 1991 on a trip which we started in Grindelwald in Switzerland at the foot of the famous Jungfraujoch cable railway that takes you well above the snowline. We then drove over the Alps for a night by Lake Garda before three days in Venice where we enjoyed great weather, before driving over the amazing Dolomites to Salzburg, Munich then Zurich and home. The second was more recently in 2003 with my Taiwan bf when unfortunately we hit the period for high tides coupled with heavy rains. The day after our arrival St. Mark's Square was flooded and we had to crawl with other tourists along the raised platforms. Yet both young men showed the same sense of joy and wonder. St. Mark's Square in August 2001 St. Mark's Square in October 2003 A colonnade at the side of St. Mark's Square in December 2020 Venice has been slowly sinking for centuries. It's partly due to the piling of the buildings and the city's substructure. But it is only relatively recently that the city has seen regular virtually annual flooding. It was not supposed to be like this. As illustrated in an excellent article on today's BBC website, the lagoon barrier (name Mose - Experimental Electromechanical Module) was supposed to stop flooding from the sea. Conceived in 1991, as a result largely of Italy's labyrinthine politics, work was not even started until 2003 and was supposed to be completed by 2011. It is hoped - hoped - it will finally be ready by the end of next year. Sadly, with rising sea levels it may already be almost out of date. The gates will not be raised until there is a sea water rise of 110 cms. St. Mark's Square floods at a level of 90 cms. Each time Mose is put into operation it will cost the city over US$300,000! As bad if not worse than the flooding has been the effect of the wake of the motor boats which ply the Grand Canal and which has adversely affected 60% of the buildings. Part of the Grand Canal Three mildly positive issues are that since last year the port for the mega cruise ships which had frequently dwarfed St. Mark's Square was moved away from the city. Also from next year a daily charge of €5 will be levied on tourists. A limit will also be placed on the number of daily tourists which until recently outnumbered locals by 100:1 over the course of a year. Will Venice still be around in 100 years? It will be desperately sad for future generations if it sinks below the waves. https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20220927-italys-plan-to-save-venice-from-sinking Photos 4 and 5: copyright Getty Images from the BBC article
    3 points
  46. Whether Thais wear helmets is beside the point. They are Thais living in Thailand. Doing what feels right is also basically selfish in my view. On the Skytrain the other day, everyone in the three cars I checked was masked, including farang and all tourists, apart from three Germans who had masks on but had moved them under their chins and were chatting and laughing loudly. If the looks from the Thais on the train could kill, those guys would not have got off the train.
    3 points
  47. In the 1970s a favored travel destination of mine was San Juan, Puerto Rico. Wonderful memories, great sex. Awesome. It was a time of civil unrest in Puerto Rico and I'd stay at the Fiesta Americana Hotel where, on the beach, national guard or other military-style police patrolled on horseback holding automatic rifles as we lay on the beach; it was a bit daunting. It didn't stop me from enjoying myself, though. Cautious at times, yes. During one of my trips to Rio when I was relaxing on the beach in Ipanema ... I heard a roar growing in intensity. Young men from a Favela where running in the area attacking many people with baseball-type bats/clubs and stealing day packs, etc. A young man renting the chairs and doing beer and food runs for the section grabbed me from behind as I sat in my chair and dragged me back towards Ave. Vieira Souto. Many people were hurt on the beach that day, but not me; thankfully. Another time, when standing at a bus stop on Av. Nossa Sra. de Copacabana with a much older then me friend and a Brazilian man we didn't know - 4 young men showed up and beat the shit out of the Brazilian ... leaving us alone. The bus arrived as this was happening and when the attack was underway. The bus driver told me and my friend to sit in the seats behind him ... as the guys who beat the Brazilian also got on the bus and moved to the rear. During another visit, I intended to visit Santa Teresa via the tram when I learned that tourists waiting for the tram were being beaten/robbed. I chose to visit someplace else. So, yes ... there are risks. In Rio, in Mexico City ... in Chicago. Crimes of opportunity. But I do a risk assessment when traveling, and try to prepare myself for what I may encounter. All of this having been said, in addition to frequenting saunas in Rio ... I'm an explorer. I've walked/explored many neighborhoods there, solo, without valuables (just enough to 'give it up' if robbed). I've trusted my 'street smarts' and 'gut feeling'. I've traveled on foot, on the subway, on city busses, the ferry to and around Niteroi. I've visited one of the Favelas. Yes, I've been lucky - but also cautious. When I lived in Mexico City, I was the victim of street crimes a half dozen times. One of my apartments was broken into and robbed, twice. Full disclosure: I was never victimized in BKK. 😀
    3 points
  48. There is a short documentary BL: Broken Fantasy with Bright and Win of 2gether and Still 2gether, as well as a couple of series that address the BL industry: Call It What You Want (2 seasons, 6 episodes each - allegedly based on the controversy with 2 Moons) as well as War of Y which is currently streaming on GagaOOLala (8 of 20 episodes available) - pretty telling.
    3 points
  49. Part 22: Visiting the bars again... It was not raining at 9:30pm. But just to be sure I decided to take my umbrella. I wouldn't get stuck somewhere again for hours when it would start raining again, like yesterday evening... I first did a quick walk around to see what the atmosphere was tonight. I looked like everybody stayed in yesterday and was desperate to go out now. It was more busy than any other night in Bangkok I was out this trip. Heading into Patpong 2 and one boy from Freshboys recognized me. "you like muscled gay boys, we have tonight!" and he also remembered me falling down the stairs the last time I was there: I told him I was waiting for a friend. On grindr is was chatting with a guy from Indonesia. His first time in Bangkok and was excited to go to the gogo boybars for the first time. But also scared to go alone. So I offered to go together and show him around. When he arrived we went into Freshboys first. Ten good-looking boys on stage in white sportshorts, no shorts. Same like last time I was here, and also the show was almost the same with the same acts. My stalker guy had sent me message on grindr that he now works in banana, so I knew is was "safe" for me to come to freshboys without this guy asking for my attention and an off. The 10 boys on stage where all more hunk than twink. If you really like skinny boys, this was not the place for you that night. For me on the other hand there were at least 4 that could be offed by me. But. The night in young and I still need to show Indonesian boy the other bars. When we came outside, we see that it started raining very hard. Good thing is that you don't need to get wet to go from Freshboys to Hotmale... You just walk through covered. In hotmale I counted 12 guys on stage. More of them than on my last visit were shirtless. Still wearing pants instead of just underwear, but at least some more skinny was visible on stage. As last time almost all boys wear pants and shirt. My off from last time, Mr Cutesmile, was also on stage shirtless. When he reconized me he had that price winning smile again on his face and he kept looking at me. So I invited him over and directly told him I was not going to take him to my hotel room tonight because I was showing my new Indonesian friends around and also I like butterflying. But I bought him a drink and gave him 200 baht extra tip for his time during which we touched and he massaged me a bit. Boydrink in Hotmale is as expensive as your own first drink: 400 baht. I'm not very generous in general with boydrinks. But i always thought a boydrink is often a bit cheaper than your own first drink? There was another boy on stage that I had the hots for. A bit muscled off course my type of guy. But soon he disappeared off stage, came back fully dressed and left the bar. Probabaly got an off via an app or something. It was still raining hard. But only a short run across the street to DreamBoy was oke not to get too wet. When I walked in there was some nasty odour. Like sewage smell. I noticed the same already few weeks ago when I was there. But it seems to be a recurring problem there. Drinks cost 450 baht, just a bit more expensive than the other bars in the Soi. Around 20 boys on stage in jeans and shirtless. Most of them a bit on the rough side with their appearance. Also this was how I remember it from last time, and I reported about that also. Tonight in DreamBoy was the first time during this holiday that the music was really too loud in a bar in my opinion. In Freshboys we already did see some sucking in the shower during their show. In Hotmale we were in time for the big cock show. But the Indonesian guy was really chocked bt the acrobatic fucking in the DreamBoy show. Haha. Poor kid. First time in gogo boy bar... Somehow I always find the unreachable guys the most attractive. It's always the top/men that I want. Because I am top myself. Or in this case in DreamBoy: the unavailable sexy DJ/light operator. Partly dyed blonde hair, wearing a cap. Shirtless. Hot body. But never goes home with (male) customer. I know some of you will say: they all have their price... But didn't try any further after this info from papasan. I can only hope that when DreamBoy moves to the new location, the seating will be better. This giant pole in the middle is blocking view on part of the stage from almost everywhere you sit. Can't really remember how the seating was in the old Luckyboys location where DreamBoy is moving to soon. Before we knew it, show was over and it was just 20 minutes before 1am. Closing time of the bars in Patpong 2 still 1am.Thay sign announcing late show in Freshboys is indeed old sign. The papasan became very pushy in DreamBoy asking me which guy can take care of me tonight. I hate it when they become so pushy. Doesn't work for me. So instead of taking a guy from the bar I decided to see if a nice bottom I was chatting with earlier, was still available and online on grindr. He actually was. After waiting around 15 minutes for the rain to calm down a bit, it was time to get the umbrella out and walk back to hotel. Where only 5 minutes later my bottom for the night also arrived. So in the end, a very nice night. Even in spite of the rain.
    3 points
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