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  1. Tittle is misleading but was given to this trip by our member bkkmfj who accompanied me to Bangkok during this short, 2 days in Pattaya and 6 in Bangkok trip to Thailand last month. I think only terrorizing part were 3 hotel changes three days in row but I booked those before he decided to join in and to sweeten whole thing , all were walking distance from each other. Day 1 This time I arrived by KLM from Amsterdam and arrival time was great , at 9.30 in the morning. There was no line up to immigration at all, I just walked in to get stamped and had even option of choosing one of three officers. No waiting for luggage as I was with carry on only. Buying SIM card took few minutes and I found myself with almost 2 hours to kill before my Jomtien bus departure scheduled at noon. This trip I decided to try something new for me i.e. going to Pattaya straight from airport. With excess time I went to train station to exchange some money, then ate something in coupon restaurant by gate 8 and went to the booth to exchange my bus reservation for an actual ticked as instructed when booked on website. I got moment of enlightenment since it was 10.45 and asked if I can get seat on 11.00 am bus. Luckily , there was seat but I was charged extra 50 baht for changing reservation. Around 1 pm I was already marching to Agate hotel in Jomtien Complex where room was already waiting for me. After desoiling I went to 7/11 across the street for some goodies and decided to see N, my semi regular there at his massage place nearby. No sign of him, as I learned later he went to see his folks at home for few days but consolation was at hand at the same shop. T, whom I never got pleasure with before but got good feedback about from one of our members was at hand so of we went for 1.5 hr session, 400+1200 tip. I was happy to discover that recommendation was very accurate. Got his Line with intention of asking him for long time in case none of guys I was hoping to see at Dreamboys would not be available. Either tonight or tomorrow. It was darkening when I took songtaew to Boyztown where I had a dinner is one of Indian restaurants there. Chicken with cashews there had some distinctive taste likely due to use some Indian spices but it was great tasting anyways. Then to Copa to claim my room. As advised in some thread in spring , in Pattaya to avoid travelling between Jomtien and Boyztown I often rent cheap 2nd room at either end. Handy just in case either boy or myself doesn’t feel like traveling in the middle of the night. As mentioned above I hoped to see #36 and #37 at Dreamboys. #36 was my outstanding companion when I was there in January. I did not have pleasure with #37 then but saw him in the bar waiting for his customer and he was extremely handsome HUNK. On top of that I got recommendation from trusted member who had better luck and engaged him at Christmas time. After obtaining key I parked myself with beer on Copa’s terrace where shortly bkkmfj joined me for a chat and ironing our trip to Bangkok after tomorrow. We both noticed very attractive tattooed massage freelancer offering his services in the soi while sitting on his motorbike. At 10pm we went to Dreamboys , me full of hope and excited with anticipation but as soon as we sat down it was explained to me that neither boys I planned to see is no longer there. So much about dreaming about boys at home, first day and already 3 boys from the list MIA. Disappointed , after we emptied our drinks I suggested checking show at Xboys and it was great idea as show was very progressive with, ahem, some risky numbers. A , veteran there recognized me but still smarting after Dreamboys fiasco I was in no mood to take him with me tonight although he is worth every penny he may ask for. Great body and personality as well as very qualified to participate in big c…k show. We returned to Jomtien complex where I have some hope, guy I saw on Grinder, hunk who likes kissing by his own admission on the profile. Bkkmfj knew who I’m talking about and even knew bar he is usually sitting but at that time of night he was gone. Another disappointment. But wait, I still have Line of T, the masseur and it was time when his shift should be over so I lined him but answer was “cannot tonight , can tomorrow “ . Ouch. So I gave up hope of having somebody tonight and went to 7/11 to eat problem out with some sandwich. Then I got stubborn and while munching outside hotel I fired up Grindr and found somebody I liked. “ I sleep with you if you give me money “ was the answer to obvious question. How much ? 1500. Waiting for you said I. In 10 minutes he showed up. Not looking exactly as in profile with face less cute but built more substantial than I anticipated. So off we went to my room to check recent acquisition to my and his stamp collections. And it’s how day 1 was over.
    19 points
  2. Day 2 Turned out not a bad meeting. He was not in rush in the morning which I like and was clearly happy with his tip and immediately asked about repeat tonight. I was politely noncommitted , if only because T suggested tonight he will be free to come. He left at 9.30 , declined hotel breakfast invitation so I had it alone. It started raining but I promised bkkmfj I will buy tickets to Swampy for noon tomorrow so off I went, it was just rain , not tropical deluge. There’s bank by bus stion so I went there to exchange 100 euro and asked to get it all , 4400 in red notes to which they happily obliged. I need something to stuff my multiple pockets I guess. When approaching hotel surprisingly T emerged from the alley on his way to the shop. I gave him 300 massage fee and asked him to come to my room in few minutes. We both were happy with such reunion. Of course I secured his presence for long time tonight. He promised to show up at end of his shift after closing the shop. Then jet lag reminded about it’s existence and I slept rest of day till dark. Next step was another trip to Boyztown hoping that tattooed hunk , noticed last evening, will be offering his massages today as well. As soon as I approached soi I saw him and noticed increase heart beat rate. 1.5 hr for 1500 was his charge and I motioned him to go. In short, one of best things I did this trip. Body was superb and so was massage. He also had well developed 6th sense and noticed what I like and what I don’t. When time come to turn over I suggested that he must be tired so we better skip that part in exchange for not exactly hand holding session. Wow as they say. If I stay in Pattaya longer I guess I know what I will be spending my time with. Not only I liked him but also was impressed by personality , body and skills. After that memorable session I went to BoyzBoyzBoyz for a show welcomed my mamasan who recognized me from days of old and mentioned names of at least two boys I offed from there in the past. Scene was packed but with exception of two bare-chested, all boys were fully dressed, jeans and long sleeves. Bar was ¾ full , mostly with usual Chinese visitors and quite a few boys were sitting with girls and drinking. Another reminder that this is boy, not gay bar. Art, one of bare chested got a tip , another went to guy who tried to get my attention by smiling in my direction, both by way of patented Vinapu tuck. Show was similar to one I saw multiple times but BBoys were impressive as always. I was set for tonight but with off fee of 1000 baht even if I weren’t I’d not be in mood to off from there. While going to songtaew I noticed impressive hunk outside of ABomb. That would be worth 1000 baht off fee perhaps. I arrived in Agate few minutes before agreed time and T showed up in few minutes, suggested he will go and buy some beers and managed to do it somewhere even if it was past midnight deadline. I decided not to ask any questions where . We had great time together, so great that when I waked up it was 11.28 am.
    13 points
  3. Day 4 continued It was darkening when we decided to go to soi 4 for dinner in G'Bangkok where I was greeted cordially by the owner and across that street by veteran barker at Banana , short guy with hat hiding his balding hairline. Then to Foodland where we met reader who landed yesterday and spent good 2 hours trading news. Expecting guest tonight I bought some beers and took them to hotel. For tonight we scheduled Moonlight and going there we took walk by still then closed Tawan. There were at least 6-7 their boys on the corner , no doubt hoping for some hiring. In Moonlight we were greeted enthusiastically, they same way bank employees are greeting newest ATM to be installed. Wais and handshakes from few mamasans, smiles from several boys on the scene and in audience. I noticed few very attractive new faces or rather bodies, # 10 and #19 particularly standing out , so of course treated them with red notes placed strategically by way of patented ‘vinapu tuck‘. It was very pleasant atmosphere is sharp contrast with smile less Jupiter last night. One of mamasans whose hobby is leeching to me every time I visit knew that I like Y there and told me that unfortunately he is not working today before I even managed to ask. But for tonight it was not Y in the cards. My forum friend who was there in Songkran time wholeheartedly recommended certain N, new acquisition and world champion kisser. I got the number and picture in my phone and soon after we sat down he showed on the stage. And smiled at me like he knew already. I wasted no time to motion him to sit beside , offered drink and it did not take long before I got a kiss planted on me as to make sure I picked up the right specimen. I’m eternally grateful to my friend for that recommendation as based on looks only I could overlook such gem since he is handsome twink, not handsome hunk of my preferred type. Of course few minutes after N sat beside who showed in audience ? Of course Y with broad smile seeing me. I motioned him to collect his red note and whispered to check his Line as I’m planning to see him in near future but not today. We watched the show and around midnight we went to UNESCO where reader was dining with his friend so we joined their table for our meal. N was smiling at me constantly so no denying I was looking for concluding that meal fast. And off we went. In the room , when I suggested we can join those beds for more space he protested right away and said the one is big enough for us . Let me tell you , he was right. What a sweet and yet very energetic man !!! It took us till 10.30 am to move from horizontal to vertical and of course we missed hotel breakfast so after sprucing up, we went for breakfast again to Foodland concluding that way day 4 and half mark of my trip at the same stroke.
    11 points
  4. Day 4, part 1 He turned up to be early riser which suited me well as I like morning gymnastics and then we went for a hotel provided breakfast. I was surprised how busy it was at 7 am but no, I did not notice any traces of disapproving looks when we sat together. At 9 am I got call from bkkmfj who claimed to be alone so I went down to restaurant again to accompany him at his meal and trade latest gossips. We decided to try Jey Spa early afternoon so upon returning to the room I Lined Jey with our selection stressing that those are separate bookings in case they had other idea . I was waiting a bit for response in respect of bkkmfj selection due to boy not responding but mamas an suspected that he simply is still asleep. Our next hotel is Heavens Boutique. Seems to be new venue with excellent location , right at the entrance to Silom Plaza by the escalator. For Arena or Best massage lovers that is dream come true place. Rooms weren’t ready so we left our goods on reception and went to Jey Spa for our 2 pm appointments. While walking to soi 43 along Suhumvit I got Line message “ your guys arrived already” . This is what we call proper customer care. My choice while not exactly cheap at tip 2500 for 1.5 hr was worth every baht . Super built , not shy at all and well trained masseur. As a bonus very good English. And most important – as his colleague I hired in Boyztown 2 days ago, clearly catching what his client likes and what he doesn’t. He gave me homework I was busy with thinking about for next 3 days : sensing I may be interested in all night cuddling he proposed it but quoted very prohibitive price of 10000. No, I was not shocked seeing and feeling body I had with me but it was well above my self imposed limit so all I could say was I will think about it (yes, I tried to bargain it down with counteroffer but he declined it in most polite way but it was firm decline ). Next three day I was pondering my choices but at end of it I kept to my limit and while happy with that , to this day I’m not 100% sure skipping it was the best I could do for myself. Call me crazy if you want but I know what I know. Returning to hotel I was in Cloud 8.5. Rooms were ready, bkkmfj was complaining about bit of strange smell from his bathroom but my room was trouble free. Furniture was new and whole place looked as recently opened , only inconvenience being that rooms are windowless. Only piece of thick glass somewhere allows to notice daylight so it’s not claustrophobic like some rooms at Bally Silom are. Since that hotel is unheralded here so far , below are some pictures. to be continued tomorrow but rest assured those beds were utilized
    11 points
  5. Day 3 There is old truth that more time we have , longer we do things. In those 32 minutes I managed to pack, pay T his tip, even take a shower and brush teeth, catch motorsai to bus station to arrive there 5 minutes before bus departure with bkkmfj puzzled what happened with me being absent. But I made it !!! In Bangkok we took usual train plus BTS route to our 1st hotel. Poor bkkmfj decided to follow my insane schedule and booked the same hotels I did for our Bangkok stay. This trip I wanted to check three hotels in the area, almost never mentioned in reports. Every trip I try , to boost my self esteem to book something with more stars and this time it was Pullman G, short walk from Silom/ Narathiwas intersection. This being high rise we both got rooms with the view, mine was 15h floor facing sinful part of Silom, he was lavished with river view from 30th floor. Hour or two after settling down I got visit from ChristianPFC, we always meet at least once during my visits in Thailand. At one point I realized that my last meal was yesterday and it is already darkening today so I called bkkmfj to come down and three of us marched to world acclaimed, Foodland Patpong for a dinner. My first chicken with cashew in Bangkok this trip. Many times it was mentioned that while dining there it’s frequent to meet somebody known. This time it was Christian’s friend who was passing by and dropped for a chat seeing him through the window. After while we parted ways and bkkmfj and me went for grand tour of the area since he is not that familiar with Silom’s gay charms. It was before Tawan reopened so I was curious if their boys will be camping on the corner and yes , at 8 pm two were there already. Talked briefly with one and he said they had hope bar will reopen any day now which as we know happened. Our grand tour was finalized at Dragon bar with drinks with tiny Lao who may be tiny but shy is not. Securing promise of marriage from him we left him in his bar and continued to Jupiter. It’s true to form as usually Jupiter is my first bar I visit in Bangkok and that first visit is most often also last there on that trip. Not much changed. Deafening music, handsome but unsmiling boys who are most time in the shadows bar their three walkabouts. I don’t understand their format but it’s not my business so I hope they know what they are doing. I was hoping to see at least one of their three boys but as it happened none of those was present. So in there days in Thailand I counted already 6 boys I wanted to see to no avail. Definitely before next trip I won’t be making any plans of whom to see and will leave all to a chance. I noticed a lot of new guys on the roster which is always good news. One most eye catching got 100 baht tip during walkabout and during next one he happened to stand on the scene right in front of me but did not even bother to look at me , fact which even bkkmfj noticed. This is how some customers guys are wasting money I thought about myself. But there was bright moment. In front of us was sitting youngish Chinese. At one point mamasan brought to him boy whose face was familiar. Tam !, guy I offed on my first night of the trip last July. He recognized me as well, smiled broadly and when they were leaving he whispered something to his customer who nod approvingly and came to me smiling to shake hands. This is what I call proper customer treatment ! So I left Jupiter empty handed but smiling. In the soi bkkmfj announced desire to go home but I decided to check what is inside of Banana club hoping certain Vu Thy will be there but no, 7th no show this trip. Few guys recognized me but unfortunately tragically underfed so not my type but there was one is the shadows who was trying to get eye contact, then smile, in short was expressing an interest I emptying at least one of my pocket so , ever willing to help, I motioned him over. Brief inspection was fruitful so I asked about long time which was approved immediately but that can’t be said about tip he quoted (5000 ) . Somehow I managed to bring it to a reasonable 3500 by simply quoting that and it took a while before it was approved . Soon of we went with no word of complaining about longish walk to my hotel.
    11 points
  6. vinapu

    Bangkok massage

    Welcome to the forum ! Discovering great unknown is one of pleasures of travelling. When comes to massages in Thailand you can count on full spectrum , from skilful and legitimate i.e Prime to places where there's not much pretence of massage of guy may be naked from the start and everything in between. There are tons of places from upscale and costly to economical and somewhat unkempt an they all are waiting for you to sample them. Start with Arena in Silom Plaza, there boys will present themselves for you to chose one, mamasan Art is friendly and knowledgeable, prices are user friendly and you get best of both worlds, bit of proper massage with smooth transition to debaucherous part. Before session you will shower alone but after session boy will shower with you. Leave shy part of you on the street level. after that sample one of numerous outlets in soi 6 and along Suriwong including mentioned already Prime which stands out for being legitimale massage ONLY although in Thailand one never knows where it may lead. In other places you may or may not get lucky but certainly you will have fun and feel the cock. Next step is 25 minutes trip by BTS (overhead rail) to Saphan Kwai area and sample one of several places there, well discussed in threads here for example : https://www.gayguides.com/forums/topic/39468-massage-shops-on-sutthisan-winitchai-rd/page/11/#comments To move to more luxurious and costly experience try either Senso in Sala Daeng in Silom area or travel to Sukhumvit soi 43 and sample Jey Spa there where hunks abound and "shy" disappeared from vocabulary. After that you will be an expert and start dispensing advices here but not before you report your findings for us in the forum. OBN
    10 points
  7. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_by_country A legal minefield, so do your own research and don't believe anything some random stranger here tells you.
    9 points
  8. macaroni21

    Bangkok massage

    The "system" in Japanese massage businesses is not always consistent. They vary from one shop to another. I don't know what your experiences have been, so it's not easy for me to explain how different Thailand is compared to your Japanese experiences - in other words, what's your baseline to which one should compare? Washing the client is indeed common in Japan - but that is really a manifestation of the Japanese concern about cleanliness; it is rarely done erotically. My experience in Japan is that some places have boys who can actually do a massage. Others use the term "massage" to mean something else. And some shops offer a service that is sort of in-between. Therefore I am not sure what you have in your mind as the Japanese style of services. However, your mention of body to body perhaps indicates the latter. Ditto, in Bangkok there is thai massage, there is oil massage, there is sort-of-massage, there is "massage", "four hands massage" and there is "Oh my God, massage!" The service style varies hugely from one shop to another. The quality of facilities also vary hugely, and in fact, most Thai facilities (and Vietnamese) are better than Japanese, though the Japanese facilities are still a thousand times better than what one finds in ("shouldn't this have been condemned by the Fire Department?") Kuala Lumpur or Manila. My blog has numerous posts describing many of these places and the "system" that comes with them. Some do not end in sexual activity. Regular visitors seldom realise how complicated the Bangkok scene may took to new visitors. So, let's get you better advice. But to begin, pick a category that most interests you and then the regulars on this board will guide you where to go. 1. Professional quality massage by trained and certified therapists. They remain in their clothes throughout the session. They ensure that your private parts are always covered and there is no touching. 2. Near-professional quality massage by trained therapists. They remain in their clothes, but may be prepared to give clients a handjob, after negotiating the rate (done in whispers) inside the room. 3. Near-professional quality massage by trained therapists. They remain in their clothes, but may be prepared to take them off and do considerably more, after negotiating the rate inside the room. 4. Hand movements that look a bit like massage, but are often directed at the nether regions in order to elicit arousal. The boy (I don't call them 'therapists' from this point on) is dressed or semi-dressed and may negotiate the rate inside the room if the shop's minimum tip rate is set too low. Once an agreeable rate is mutually accepted, the clothing tends to be flung off and he would likely climb onto the massage table (or floor mattress, if it's a low-budget kind of place) 5. Shops that make a clear a minimum tip that is higher than the "course" fee or room fee. The boy moves his hands to mimic a bit of massage (some boys don't even bother with this much pretence of a massage), but are often directed at the nether regions in order to elicit arousal. The room is likely to have a bed instead of a massage table. The boy begins the session either minimally dressed or totally nude. There is no in-room negotiation unless the client asks for something unusual - though more likely the boy simply says "cannot" to unusual requests, rather than negotiate. Body-to-body is not as common in Thailand as in Japan, Vietnam, Kuala Lumpur or Manila (where it is called "Nuru massage"). In Bangkok, you may get it in category 5 places. Another thing about Thailand is that categories 4 and 5 have wide pricing differentials, even if two shops offer similar services. The pricing differential is traceable to the several factors including (a) standard of facilities, (b) boys' physiques, (c) whether in tourist areas (thus aimed at tourists) or in more local parts of the city.
    9 points
  9. Jupiter has more customers than Moonlight, including casual straight tourists who are there just to watch the shows and enjoy the model walks. Regular singer Poppy is away for 2 weeks. Mamasan said that he went for facelift! So his partner PJ is singing on his own. Jupiter has policy of reserving best seats for customers who buy bottles. Hence, I invested in one bottle of Jonnie Walker and had good seats for the 3 nights I was there. I was there with forum member on one night and we both agreed that some of the waiters are more yummy than the models. When I asked about off fee and expected tip for waiters, mamasan said, "Off fee 500 baht. Tip 3000 baht. But can only go with customer after show finish at 1 a.m." We have to wait to off them? Needless to say, we didn't off any waiter. We sat and drank with two models and it was an entertaining hour with them. We tipped them for their time before heading to another bar.
    8 points
  10. I was at Hotmale Beer Bar downstairs facing Sol Bar on its last night of operation. There were ladyboy performers standing outside to attract customers. It did not look it would be closing. But the very next night, it was totally closed. "Bar close," one of the Hotmale Beer Bar waiters said. "But it was busy yesterday night. Why bar close?" I asked. Waiter just shrugged his shoulders. Without Sol Bar, that part of Gay Patpong has become much quieter. Moonlight has few customers during the two nights I was there. Babe and models are there but they are not appearing in as many performances as usual. There are some performances where the "normal" Moonlight guys would dance next to the ladyboy singing. From my conversation with manager, it seems they are cutting costs. The bar can pay less per performance for the "normal" Moonlight guys as compared to paying for the models. Even though there are few customers, there are still big spenders. I was seated near to a trio of Chinese customers - two guys and a lady. When it was time to pay, I saw the bill - 16,200 baht!
    8 points
  11. Banana Bar had few guys on stage. Fewer than 10. Average size guys. Show starts at 9.30pm or when there's enough customers. Customers are mostly straight tourist couples or groups. During my visit, I even saw a lesbian farang couple. Show includes shower show as there is a shower with glass screen at back corner of stage. But boy performances are outnumbered by the diva ladyboy singing. There's also 2 male heartthrob singers. What I didn't like is the performers going around audience asking for tips. I was at Banana Bar only once on an early Friday night. The bar seems successful as it is targeted at customers who want to watch a show. Freshboys is the opposite of Banana Bar. It only has a few diva ladyboy singing. There's a shower show same as Banana Bar. These are the only two bars in Bangkok with shower show and even the cheoropgraphy and music are similar! Freshboys has lots of big cock shows including the cock hitting the metal pole. I can confirm that the guys don't use their knees to knock the pole and make the loud hitting sound. It's really their cocks hitting the pole! Ouch! Many many guys at Freshboys. About 30 to 40 every night. What I like about Freshboys is that the guys line up in ascending number when they stand on stage e.g. 1, 2. 3 etc. So it helps with remembering the numbers of the guys. At other bars, the numbers seem random. My one complaint about Freshboys is that it is very dark. Many customers at every show. But most leave after show and don't off the guys. Waiters can be rather direct in asking for tips. Majority of guys and waiters are Vietnamese. I have one regular guy (number 25) who recently started work at Freshboys last week after being away from the scene for many months (he used to be at Dreamboys last year but he was let go after the bar only wanted Thais to work). He's doing well. In just his first week, he has been getting drinks, tips and offs from Chinese customers because he's the only one in the bar who can speak Mandarin. His best friend taught him many useful phrases. I tease him because I know in reality, his Chinese is so limited!
    7 points
  12. I recently stayed at the Raya with Vinapu and all was normal. My room at the back of the hallway on floor 6 overlooked the transformation of our beloved soi Twilight into hotel/shopping ? and none of the construction noise bothered me or made my stay there unpleasant. I LOVED the Raya - especially when I brought 2 guys back to my room on 2 different occasions when they put on a sexy show in the "in the middle of the suite" all glass shower - truly a turn on for what was to cum - oops come....
    7 points
  13. jason1975

    Change hotel?

    Pride decorations at lobby of Quarter Silom Hotel. And lots of good looking guests! My first time at hotel to meet a fellow forum member.
    7 points
  14. Hotmale had about 12 to 15 guys. Similar small set-up as Banana Bar. But all shows are performed by the Hotmale guys themselves. Few customers on a Friday night. Forum member who went with me on a Friday night multiple bar visit finally found his guy from Hotmale - someone he was already familiar with. Personally, I rarely visit Hotmale because I am already smitten by Hotmale Beer Bar waiters downstairs. 😛 Good Boy's change of name from Screwboys is not the only change. The guys have stopped wearing basketball singlet and shorts. They are wearing white boxers briefs and trunks and showing their chests. In terms of show, it remains the same. Lots of diva ladyboys singing but the audience loves them, especially a group of 4 drunk Taiwanese customers seated at the back one particular night. They were singing along enthusiastically and waving the lights in their handphones as if they were attending a concert. Many guys at Good Boy - 30 to 40 all packed into the tiny bar. I was there for 3 nights and went away with 2 different offs on 2 nights - one Vietnamese and one Laos.
    6 points
  15. BBB was once like Dolly Parton's "Best Little Whorehouse in Texas"... just a little thrill along with lots of fun (and booze). Yes, it was once the undisputed jewel, run impeccably by Jim and Gordon and Philip and Dtan and Lek. It was all downhill the moment Jim sold out to the Swiss (now to the Chinese). Jim and crew were trusted members of our community. To answer your question, MFJ, well now for me BBB is a total bore. I wouldn't spend a baht to go into that place. The last time I went there I chastised myself for going into that crazy place. And since BBB was the cornerstone of BT, BT also necessarily predictably began to fall apart too. Today's price is totally ridiculous given the value they offer. Once the "screaming Chinese women" get sick of the "thrill", I predict BBB, and most silly old-format boy bars, will pass from the scene. It's time for a renaissance and renewal, guys, updating to the current age of technology and social habit. We need a new, risk-taking, imaginative, fun-loving pioneer like Jim was back then to reinvent the gay adventure. It seems that the most innovative approaches of late have come to the Bangkok massage houses, with their "easy to peruse, easy to book, stated minimum tips" and more. In even this obviously more efficient and transparent concept, the Pattaya "houses of questionable repute" have not seemed to keep pace.
    6 points
  16. vinapu

    The ages of consent

    excellent reminder. It's actually a case where I live. My advice it to stay well, well above what others here call "18+ standard" specially in Asia where a lot of people to our eyes look misleadingly younger. I rather go with out of shape ex-Tawan guys than risk domestication in Bangkok Hilton as floridarob warned above
    6 points
  17. Day 5 Upon return to hotel from breakfast finally I got a chance to see bkkmfj and we spend hour or so trading news of last night and this morning. Today we are moving to De Arni, often overlooked hotel on Suriwong just across Siam Heritage hotel. We were lucky because rooms were already available so we made technical break till 2. De Arni is very good deal , rooms are sizable and everything works. I will jump the gun and say that no problem with visitors as well. Not sure why is rarely mentioned but definitely I can recommend it to all our budget conscious members as it’s very good deal and location hard to beat. At 2 pm we walked, oh no, marched as its boot camp to Senso. It used to be my favorite place in the area and always had goose bumps on approach, then post covid I neglected it a bit due to two not so stellar experiences but was happy to go there again and drag bkkmfj with me. After absence all guys were new to me and I picked up Leo, tall and muscular with unbuttoned shirt showing sexy chest. In the room two nice surprises , he just started there and his English is very good. Obviously trained in massage so I let him do his job before making certain moves. Muscular, well trained , bi-lingual and as it turned very soon also very romantic so we had very rewarding session and on departure I knew I will be back very soon.1490 for the room and min tip for session 1500 but obviously he deserved better. Next step was kind of mission as I learned that A, super muscular hunk from Moonlight is no longer in the business because he opened restaurant on Pradipat. I got a lead from one of our members who visited him there so we took BTS to Siam, changed to other line for just one station Ratchatevi and marched from there toward well visible overpass . I was told place is right under it to the right. Unfortunately we focused on another restaurant where nobody speak English and In short, we did not find it. So I made my picture standing there and Lined it to A hoping for response . I meantime we decided to go to Madrid Tavern in Charoen Krung soi 49, I lined Anddy from the forum to join us and when on the train I got confirmation from him and message from A standing in front of his place. I promised to see him there next day or two. At Madrid I’m well known so lady only confirmed ‘ usual?” and bottle of Chang landed in front of me while pizza with shallots and cherry tomatoes was placed in the oven. Anddy showed few minutes after us. We had nice time there as always, place is quite small so it always fun to see ladies there pretending they don’t hear what we are talking about . What we were talking about you can imagine, of course true to form , nothing debaucherous. Evening was rolling when we left, Andy went away on his motorbike and I introduced bkkmfj to charms of Bangkok buses. By bus it’s really very short hop to Patpong. Shower, shave as always before I hit bars and tonight’s stop was Hot Male. S seeing me sported VERY WIDE smile so I wasted no time to call him over and after we finished our drinks we changed scenery to Dreamboys. Normally I don’t drag bar boys to another bars but S expressed an interest to go so there of us crossed the soi. When we climbed stairs whom I saw ? Handsome Cambodian, hero if my several offing stories, missing in BBB, missing in Jupiter but found there. What I noticed he is bit less handsome then when he charmed me few years ago, nevertheless I was happy to see him and subsequently tip when he was on the stage. Soon after he was called over by quite attractive Chinese looking girl and not before long off they went so obviously he still has it. We watched a bit of show but S was hungry and I was anxious to show him me new stamps so again we crossed soi to Unesco where reader was dining again with his friend so we joined them at adjacent table. After that short march to hotel and so called happy reunion. Advantage S has in my eyes is that apart from being excellent trip companion is that I sense he likes me , strange as it sounds. It must be my left elbow or something but he does. Even now , writing that I’m smiling. In the morning 2nd round , bit more steamy as I like morning gymnastics and day 5, not exactly boring, was over.
    5 points
  18. ok, as promised, I made contact with Punya today - the owner of Sansuk Sauna & Guesthouse https://sansukthailand.com/ He confirmed that the rumor that started this thread is FALSE. He did not sell Sansuk and he is still the current owner of Sansuk. He was happy to be alerted by this false rumor and that I volunteered to clarify the situation.
    5 points
  19. I’m not a Pattaya visitor but have read consistently on the forums about the shrinking expat community there. Part of it is obviously by choice but the government must accept that its unpredictable—and often onerous—policies discourage rather than encourage foreigners to retire to Thailand. I was among those westerners who weighed the option for years. Just when I was giving it greater consideration, the emerging possibility of dual state taxation has pretty much sealed any hopes I was considering. I think I could manage the health care issue but not the taxation one. Even if authorities decided against the idea, I believe future administrations would go on to seek new revenue streams from retirees, introducing more uncertainty. The logical—and economically proven—approach is to gain revenue from the spending of retirees on goods and services. It’s another altogether to try to wring the source dry before it can spend funds on those goods and services.
    5 points
  20. musgrave

    A few days in Bangkok

    Last week had four days in Bangkok - stayed at Tarntawan - deluxe room was okay but myself being older getting in and out of the tub/shower needed caution - no useful rails. I ventured for old.time sake to Super A on the first night for an hour. About 8 lads there all wearing white shirts. Looked like reasonably new settees along the wall with several tables. Super A gone upmarket ?? A different vibe from 5 or so.years ago although the upstairs room stil available and the annoying habit of the mamasans sittng closeby remains.Off fee 500 thb. Drinks 200 thb. Moved on to Freshboys - saw some of the show, Nice boys dressed in white shorts. A tall lean Viet lad who does the shows always takes my interest No 28. I find the shows there entertaining and varied - lots of nakedness and action. But the frequent requests for a drink or tip from others even when you have a lad sitting.with you becomes wearing. The cabaret diva dressed in red was spectacular. 400 thb drinks After that i went to a very crowded GoodBoys ( exScrewboys).20+ plus lads dressed in white briefs. My fancy was taken by short slim moustached tattooed lad who was great company. The shows there seems to be cabaret focussed with a few intermittent boy (?) acts - i get the impression these acts are part of a circuit troupe. I returned the next night and the place was about one third full Sadly I succumbed to Bangkok belly next day and all fun activities ceased Photos of work at Raya Hotel - and the old Soi - and added.extras at Tarntawan
    5 points
  21. Made my fourth visit to Phetboy Saturday. Myself and a fellow member both made reservations for 2:30p.m. Upon arrival, my guy was waiting and we were sent up to room on second floor. I was later to learn, however, that my mate’s masseur didn’t show up for another 45 minutes. Understandably dismayed, my friend requested and received a refund of the 380 baht fee. When I finished and found out what had happened, I accompanied him to nearby 15M where he chose a guy who happened to be in the shop. Perhaps it was a blessing in disguise because he reported after that it was an excellent session (400 baht). As I reflect on my four visits to Phetboy, one was satisfactory while the other three were fine. The shop is clean and well maintained with showers that could comfortably accommodate three. Although I’ve only visited 15M on one prior occasion, I found that also to be clean and similarly well maintained. Both are less than a 5-minute walk from the Saphan Kwai BTS.
    5 points
  22. vinapu

    Change hotel?

    no, world renowned Foodland Patpong is safe bet when comes to bringing in company and on multiple occasion it's what boys asked if they want to eat something suggested. At any time of day or night there's chance we spot either familar or handsome or both, face dining there alone or most often , with company. Also it pays to pay attention to passersby's as it may be chance to see somebody we know. (As we know from last trip - not necessarily blessing though ). While your idea is catchy , execution would be somewhat rude so better no to do it. Boy sitting with his farang is his companion and his only the same way like boy sitting with us is our companion and our only. It would be very bad form to try to pry attractive or familiar boy from his current sitter with. And I would not tolerate if somebody would approach boy I'm sitting with and try to arrange for anything else than handshake. But opportunity is still present if handled decently, been there , done that. One can simply try to outwait them as often after the meal parties are parting way, then it's free game , just one needs to be brave and fast. On few occasions thoughtful farang seeing that his boy sees somebody familiar can even prod him to go and say hallo to him. Happened to me in both capacities i.e. guy came to me to say hallo obviously with blessing from his farang and also I , seeing boy exchanging smiles with somebody, suggested he will go and say hallo if he wants. The same may happen in bars. We buy a drink for the boy and suddenly somebody is inviting him for a drink. If boy asks for permission , I usually agree for say 10-15 minutes break. If he leaves me on his own, his drink still half full, that's the surest way to be removed from my offing roster fort at least few trips. Certain P and A , on different occasions learned it to their peril because on next attempt to extract an off from me I in no uncertain terms told them it won't happen and why.
    5 points
  23. NIrishGuy

    Change hotel?

    OR a 40 minute "moan" if you picked the wrong Soit 4 local Thai companion to bring back and you decided to walk it as you fancied a wee "dander" in the night air before bed and he cried all the way back with you about "OMG, why you no not get us a motobike, your hotel too far for walking, how much further o your hotel anyway - as I never been there yet so I dont know it !!" Yeah RIGHT SURE you haven't ! lol
    5 points
  24. Here goes: When we see the word "The" before what looks like a country name, it is generally because the word had been used to refer to a geographical feature well before the country even came about. In English, geographical features are typically indicated with the definite article "the". Thus, we speak of "the Alps", "the prairie", "the Danube", "the Arctic". I believe @Londoner is right in that the present state of which the city of Banjul is the capital takes its name from the river, known as The Gambia. The river was The Gambia, the same way we speak of The Volga, The Danube, The Ganges, The Mississippi, The Yangzi, The Chao Phraya. When is country is formed and takes its name from that geographical feature, English tends to be conservative and keeps the word "The" with it. If tomorrow, there is a realignment of borders and a new state is formed in the Danube basin, and the new state wishes to call itself after the river, we would refer to it as The Republic of The Danube. (not Republic of Danube). The pre-existing geographical feature does not need to be a river. "The Sudan" was for centuries the term used to refer to a vast, topographically flat (relatively speaking) area stretching from the Atlantic Ocean to the Red Sea, between the Sahara and the Bight (Gulf) of Benin inhabited by black-skinned people. It's an Arabic term, useful to the Arabs and North Africans to refer to the vast area to the south with whom they traded extensively. The modern state with the same name is a fraction of the size of the historical Sudan. But in the same conservative fashion, the English language would refer to the state as the Republic of The Sudan. In Southeast Asia, there is The Republic of The Philippines, for similar reasons. For hundreds of years those islands had been referred to by their Spanish name, "Las Islas Filipinas", named after King Philip II of Spain. It's similar to they way we refer to The East Indies or The West Indies or The Canary Islands. So when the Filipino republic was formed and it chose to take the name of the geographical feature, it kept the word "The" in its name, this being the English convention. In Southeast Asia too, there is a truly odd one which few people realise is odd. When Europeans (particularly the French) first met the top dog in region to the West of Vietnam and Northeast of the Kingdom of Siam, that big guy introduced himself as the king of all the Lao tribes. He said something to the effect that "I am the King of the Lao people, or King of the Laos." It was an interesting moment of culture clash. Europeans conceived of statehood as a political power controlling territory (due to their history of feudalism). The people were secondary. If they lived in the territory, OK, the humans would, as a consequence, come under the rule of the power. Elsewhere in the world, particularly Asia, rulers saw themselves as ruling over people. If the people lived in a territory, then indirectly the land would be brought under the king's power. And if the people moved around, the king still expected that the people remained his subjects wherever they went off to. Thus the big guy in Luang Prabang saw himself as ruler of the Lao tribes, just as the guy in Phnom Penh saw himself as ruler of the Khmer people. Today we seldom realise that the word "Laos" got corrupted along the way. Where it used to refer (in plural) to a collection of tribes and peoples, we now use it to refer to a defined territory - but only in English. The official name of the country is not Laos, it is The Lao People's Democratic Republic. They are still using the word "Lao" to refer to the people, not the land.
    5 points
  25. Moses

    The ages of consent

    There are two legal concepts: the age of consent and the age of majority. The age of consent is usually 2-3 years lower than the age of majority. In most countries, sex between an adult and a minor is illegal, even if the partner is over the age of consent. The age of consent itself was introduced into the legal concept in order to make it possible not to prosecute minors who have sex with minors. As a rule, legal practice is such that the courts side with the accused (the eldest in the couple) if the age difference between the conditional accused and the conditional victim does not exceed 2-3 years, i.e. if the age of consent is 16, one partner is 16 (i.e. minor) and the other is 19 (i.e. adult), then the courts will reject the claims of the victim who has reached the age of consent or his parents in favor of the adult 19-year-old partner. At the same time, if the age difference is significant (for example, 10 or more years), the courts usually satisfy the claims of the younger partner or his parents. Bottom line: Fuck adults, not those who have reached the age of consent but are not yet of age. All of the above refers to legislation based on Roman law. It more or less unified the approach to this issue. In English case law there are decisions in both directions and we can say that usually the one who has the most money wins (read: who has the best lawyers).
    5 points
  26. floridarob

    The ages of consent

    That's where it gets tricky, because even a dinner or paying for uber is considered payment or gift......stay above 18+ and out of hot water, the prison stories aren't as hot as you think they are, however, they might be for you 😬
    5 points
  27. Keithambrose

    Bangkok massage

    Or if he has a hard on when he showers with you!
    5 points
  28. I hate to agree with you. Not because of you but because you are right unfortunately. It used to be one of life little pleasures to park myself at Castro or Pikky , beer in hand boy beside and watch soi getting busier and busier from 7 pm , waiting for music and parade at 9. pm. Now only handful of massage freelancers , shirtless on their motorbikes are providing some visual excitement ( remember that tattooed one last month ? ). BBB boys bar 1 or 2 are completely dressed on the stage , half of them in long sleeves ! But still bar seems to be full night after night courtesy of Chinese tour groups. I wonder how many offs new , improved formula off fee of 1000 baht generates ? and it was time few years ago that I considered BBB best bar in whole Thailand !
    5 points
  29. I just came back from a two-week trip to Bangkok. I visited all the bars at night. I also discovered some interesting places to go to. I won't be writing a chronological and detailed trip report as I have to get back to work after holiday. Sorry! This will just be a summary broken up into parts.
    4 points
  30. Thailand will become the first nation in Southeast Asia to legalize same-sex marriage after the kingdom’s Senate approved a marriage equality bill on Tuesday, with supporters calling it a “monumental step forward for LGBTQ+ rights.” The Senate voted overwhelmingly in favor of passing the bill following a final reading, with 130 senators voting in favor. Only four members opposed the bill. The bill still requires endorsement from the king before marriage equality can become reality in Thailand, but this process is considered a formality. The law will then come into effect 120 days after it is published in the royal gazette. The result of the vote means that Thailand will become only the third place in Asia to allow for marriage equality after Taiwan legalized same-sex marriage in 2019 and Nepal in 2023. https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/18/asia/thailand-same-sex-marriage-intl-hnk/index.html
    4 points
  31. no doubt, no doubt and this is good for both of us, not only the same taste but also good taste I dare to say, lol
    4 points
  32. you should motion with hands armed with red notes
    4 points
  33. I don't know how it is in other countries but in Mexico when I asked it was about 3 times of ST fee. Also spoon once remarked that LT in extremely good value in Thailand compared to Malaysia. Days of 3000 LT, in Bangkok bars at least, may be slowly coming to an end but still LT remains very good value. And believe me , that 10000 while shocking in terms of number of zeros seemed in line with what guy in question had to offer. I was not shocked, only inclined to stick to my self imposed limit of half of that price. Glad I did but still not 100% sure.\ I have personal story of missed opportunity which haunts me for 30 years. While on Easter Island I saw beautiful carving and price quoted seemed for me prohibitive at that time so I gave up. After thinking it over, I decided to splurge and returned to the store to be greeted by seller with annunciation it was sold 2 hrs ago. I did not notice that saving thus obtained helped me much in life and now usually if I like something or somebody I go for it.
    4 points
  34. I thought I'd add my experience about sauna Thermas as I've been going there for a few years now. I remember being very nervous the first time! You pay the entree fee, get a key with a locker number and go change. Once you are changed you go down the stairs where the working boys will be waiting or wandering around, and on the bottom most level there's a pool and bar. Some providers will approach you, some won't. If you see someone you like just say "Hey" to them and they will most likely lead the conversation. Clearly state what you want to happen (suck their dick, have them suck you, get fucked, fuck them, kiss or not,...) and confirm these are things he offers or not (all providers have different limits and things they offer). The standard is 50 euro for one session, no matter what the activity (usually, with some exceptions noted later on), excluding the provider's ejaculation (if you want them to ejaculate, tell them as it's extra money, usually 50 euro extra). There are "strict" tops who sometimes propose to let you fuck them for double the money (so 100 instead of 50 euro for 1 session. I suggest to not do this as they are often not good at bottoming and to search for a true versatile or bottom provider). If kissing is important to you, ask them to demonstrate to you how they kiss during the conversation. It's forward, yes, but a good kisser will happily oblige and it can save you from disappointment as I've had providers give halfhearted pecks once the session started (when I didn't ask them to show me before). A session lasts around 20 to 30 minutes (but you as the client should keep track. Most providers will make the session shorter if you don't). The rule of thumb is that it's 50 euro per 30 minutes. So if you were to engage a provider for one hour, it's expected you pay him 100 euro. But always confirm price and duration before starting the session. Some will (jokingly) ask for a tip beforehand, which I always politely decline. Once you've agreed on everything, it's time to start the session. For this you have 2 options. There are free cabins on the first basement, they have a fixed bench with thin mattresses on them. Some clients find them uncomfortable, for me they work fine. I suggest using the cabins on the left of the stairs (when facing with your back to the stairs) as these have better lighting in them and there are larger cabins. Just ask the provider to get you a larger cabin and they will look for it. Most of the time the larger cabins are in use by providers who are on break (smoking and chatting). You can also pay for a room. This is always by the hour and they come at various prices, depending on the size. All rooms have a full bed in them with linen and towels so the more expensive ones are simply larger. The comfort remains the same. The price list for the rooms is visible at the entry. After you are done with the session some providers will take a shower with you, some won't. Then you both go the top floor (street level) where the lockers are. You then get the money from your locker. The provider will be waiting for you in the bathroom next to the entrance (you can't miss it, it will be very clear where it is) and you give them the money there. I don't know why that is the spot but it's been that spot for as long as I've gone there. The providers don't mind it if you have your phone with you (I use it for Google translate). If you had a great time with a provider, I suggest you buy them a drink at the bar (if they're not otherwhise engaged with another client). I find it nice chatting to the guys and getting to know them. I totally understand one might be nervous going for the first time, but I've found that most everyone there (from the staff to the providers) are friendly and want to help you relax because happy, relaxed clients spend more money 😉 Ideal times to go are any day between 4pm and 8pm. The busiest days (with the largest number of providers, but also the most clients) are (usually) Wednesday but definitely Friday and Saturday, same time (4pm till 8pm). Outside these hours there will rarely be providers in the sauna. Hope this helped!
    4 points
  35. I recall at least one case of hosting such law breaker. Upon removing jeans it was clear that he doesn't have underwear. I'm so relieved he was not arrested and jailed as he was one of my best boys ever ( was because he is not on the scene anymore )
    4 points
  36. Seems like that's the correct term after all..... Group Names Antelope: a herd Ants: a colony or an army Apes: a shrewdness Baboons: a troop Badgers: a cete Bass: a shoal Bats: a colony, cloud or cauldron Bears: a sloth or sleuth; Cubs: a litter Beavers: a colony Bees: a swarm Boar: a sounder Boys: a gaggle or gaggles when there are multiple Buffalo: a gang or obstinacy Camels: a caravan Caterpillars: an army Cats: a clowder, glaring, pounce, nuisance or clutter; Kittens: a litter or kindle; Wild cats: a destruction Cattle: a herd or drove Cheetahs: a coalition Chickens: a brood or peep; Chicks: a clutch or chattering Clams: a bed Cobras: a quiver Colts: a rag Cows: a kine, drove, herd or fold; twelve or more cows are a flink Coyotes: a band Cranes: a sedge Crocodiles: a float or bask Crows: a murder Deer: a herd Dogs: a pack or cowardice; Puppies: a litter Dolphins: a pod Donkeys: a drove Doves: a dule Ducks: a brace, paddling or team Eagles: a convocation Elephants: a herd or parade Elk: a gang or herd Emus: a mob Falcons: a cast Ferrets: a business or fesnyng Finches: a charm Fish: a school, shoal, run, haul or catch Flamingos: a stand or flamboyance Flies: a swarm, hatch or business Foxes: a skulk or leash Frogs: an army or a colony Geese: a gaggle or flock, a skein when in flight Giraffes: a tower Gnats: a cloud or horde Goats: a herd, tribe or trip Goldfinches: a charm Goldfish: a troubling Gorillas: a band Grasshoppers: a cloud Greyhounds: a leach Hares: a down or husk Hawks: a cast or kettle Hippopotami: a bloat or thunder Hogs: a drift or parcel Horses: a team or harras Hounds: a pack, mute or cry Hyenas: a cackle Jaguars: a shadow Jellyfish: a smack or brood Kangaroos: a troop or mob Larks: an ascension or exaltation Lemurs: a conspiracy Leopards: a leap Lice: a flock Lions: a pride Locust: a plague or cloud Magpies: a tiding or tittering Mallards: a sord Manatees: an aggregation Mares: a stud Martens: a richness Minnows: a steam Moles: a labor Monkeys: a barrel, cartload or troop Mules: a pack, barren or span Nightingales: a watch Otters: a family, romp or raft Owls: a parliament Oxen: a team or yoke Oysters: a bed Parrots: a pandemonium or company Partridges: a covey Peacocks: a muster or ostentation Penguins: a colony Pheasants: a nest, nide or bouquet Pigeons: a flock or flights Pigs: a drift or drove (younger pigs), or a sounder, litter or team (older pigs) Ponies: a string Porcupines: a prickle Rabbits: a colony or warren Raccoons: a gaze Rats: a colony, pack, swarm or mischief Rattlesnakes: a rhumba Ravens: an unkindness Rhinoceroses: a crash Sharks: a shiver Sheep: a drove or flock Skunks: a stench Snakes: a nest or knot Sparrows: a host Squirrels: a dray or scurry Starlings: a murmuration Stingrays: a fever Storks: a mustering Swans: a bevy or lamentation, a wedge when in flight Tigers: an ambush or a streak Toads: a knot or knab Trout: a hover Turkeys: a gang, posse or rafter Turtles: a bale or nest Vultures: a venue Wasps: a pledge Weasels: a colony, gang or pack Whales: a pod, school or gam Wolves: a pack or route Wombats: a wisdom Woodpeckers: a descent Zebras: a zeal
    4 points
  37. unicorn

    The ages of consent

    Laws vary from country to country and state to state. I'm not interested in having sex with anyone under 18, but if I were, I would research local laws very carefully. The age of consent may be under 18 in most places, but it may depend with whom and/or under what circumstances. It may be legal to have sex with a 16 year-old, but if he were to complain he was pressured, one could find oneself in deep doo-doo. Just stick to men 18+, and don't stay up all night worrying. I was certainly willing and able to consent when I was 16, but the law can get tricky.
    4 points
  38. I think you're talking about expats of any age for chat, not sex. If that's so, stop by Cock a 2 bar in Jomtien Complex. There is usually a lcommunal table set out front and the owner Rob, from Australia might be hosting various people that come and go, have a drink a chat....he's super friendly and likeable , you might even get to meet the notorious @gayinpattaya sitting there, he's really much nicer in person, just don't talk about politics with him , you'll walk away wondering , wtf just happened, lol
    4 points
  39. spoon

    Massage Insider on X

    Bangkok also have a few that still have plenty of boys that will be available for you to choose inside the center. One in particular, has no pic of masseur available through website or line. Reason was to protect their masseurs confidentiality. Arena has never disappoint me though with their selection of hunks muscular masseurs available. Vck on the other hand, has both line updates of who is available on the day, and very large number of boys available on site. Similar can be said for massage places in silom soi 6, where most available masseurs will be there for choosing. But their line also have listing of boys, but might not be updated. I actually prefer to go and choose the guy myself, given that tendency of inaccurate/old pics is high, but jeyspa and vck photos are quite accurate, thus for these two, id usually book ahead. For arena, early booking is possible if u know the massuer's name.
    4 points
  40. Keithambrose

    Change hotel?

    Interestingly, on one occasion, a boy I had brought to the hotel for short time, and enjoyed, turned up at breakfast the following morning with another farang, and did grin at me!
    4 points
  41. vinapu

    Change hotel?

    It's usually a case in hotels of every level, if one books room for two and deal comes with breakfast , breakfast is also for two. On my recent trip bkkmfj and me stay in Raya but his deal was breakfasty and mine not so one morning he invited me to utilize his 2nd breakfast offer. I second comment about need to be careful when inviting boys for meal or trip and look for signs they may feel uncomfortable. Some of us may not like those stares by other guests either, although when I notice those I audaciously blink my eye toward these nosy guests and it does the trick , at times even generating smile, no doubt out of satisfaction that their suspitions proved right, lol
    4 points
  42. Londoner

    Bangkok massage

    Too true. It won't. For my US friends, here's what your greatest (gay) poet had to say, possibly recalling the boy he met in New Orleans.... "How sweet the silent backward tracings! The wanderings as in dreams- the meditation of old times renewed...." Walt Whitman
    4 points
  43. I was with fellow forum member last night and we had a fun night going to different bars from 9.30pm to midnight. - Banana - Freshboys - Hotmale - Good Boy All 4 bars were filled for the shows. The promoters outside each bar did a good job of getting in tourists including straight people. But after the shows, most left. Few offs. I won't say business is grim. Neither will I say it's booming. Each bar has its niche. I eventually found the right guy for me at Good Boy but I could have offed several from Freshboys!
    4 points
  44. definitely you are right but from time to time I like to check how other half has it and in name of fighting discrimination I go with twink, specially if cute one and even more specially if he is still from Tawan. That guy , if it's the same we are talking about here, when I offed him in January was definitely worth his tip, very affectionate and sweet
    4 points
  45. TMax

    Bangkok massage

    Another tip when the massage boy showers after you at the start, if he walks out with a hard on forget the massage (massage would most likely be ordinary anyway) and just dive in and enjoy the fun.
    4 points
  46. I've always wondered why those myriads of same-same bars don't somehow manage to merge their "talents", and thus for the area to truly become a "SUPERtown" rather than a collection of hopelessly uneconomic shops. They need economy-of-scale and they need to have variety and they need to have a decent environment. Those characteristics cost money, real money; I am really surprised that more bars have not closed in JC. The reason that Jim's BBB was successful is that he understood this concept and thus BT grew and prospered. And I totally agree about the "numbness" of the current concept -- "sit and drink and gawk" -- that only goes so far to keep people's interest. You need energy and expectation and entertainment. I agree with GIP that gay bars are an anachronism, they are a throwback to the "hush-hush" era where we were all constrained and needed a place to "be free". Japan is a good example of this. In those days of ore when I frequented bars in Shinjuku and Shibuya, the bars were small and you needed to be cleared by an all-knowing door person to even gain access to the bar. Once inside the "host" would then introduce you to each of the guys in the small (10?) crowd. It was because most of the guys in those bars were heading for the last train home to their wives, so you had to be fast!
    4 points
  47. Would you have to pay extra for milk?
    4 points
  48. vinapu

    The ages of consent

    I leave all of them alone and stick with 24+ with no need to worry about legal or hotel reception niceties
    3 points
  49. macaroni21

    One Night In Bangkok!

    @pylonguy71 Any chance of some feedback how it went with your 16-hour stopover on June 5?
    3 points
  50. Hi Marc308, What is your opinion on the current format in year 2024 of BBB ? I agree that back in the day, Jim got it right - BBB was the proper good anchor to Boyztown - especially with the 9pm marching parade of the delicious sexy guys. It was truely tantalizing. Nowadays, BBB has become boring - as it is primarily focused on the Chinese tourist bus trade with screaming women. The sexy guy parade is long gone. Boyztown has lost its former excitement.
    3 points
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