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Bigguyby, Good boys is easy, although I can understand how a newbie to the bar would feel a little intimidated.
 
Actually, the guys just want to be chuck-wowed. Quick and easy. So choose a guy sitting outside and just walk together to the area behind the screen. He'll have his pants around his ankles in no time. And you'll probably have the other guys lining up for their turn. I'm an old hand at this, so to speak. and can personally recommend the twins and the guy with the gold chain. All are very well hung!
 
BTW, do those guys who do the wank show at Sunny Boys cum? Seems silly,as there goes their chances of being offed.

Spooky60 wrote:"how about femmboys? they act a little bit like females, are they okay to most of you guys? "
 
Spooky, you can't please everyone, so don't even try. You certainly don't need our approval before you post. Please just go ahead and write whatever you like. Some will filter out what they don't want to read.
 
As a regular trip report writer on another forum, let me just remind you that everything you write is open to criticism; that goes with the territory. Be prepared to stand back and take anything that's thrown your way. There will always be those who will write something negative to make themselves feel better about not being able to have as much fun as you; they need to do that to ease their envy. However, I get the feeling you won't get that reaction over here.
 
I enjoyed Vessey's reports because he kept it real, wrote about the ups as well as the downs and focused on the guys' performance rather than his own. Nobody wants to read about our sexual prowess, or lack of it! Yuk! It's all about those beautiful sexy guys we meet on our travels and, especially in my case, about their prodigious endowments with which they perform their magic.

Catching a disease at Good Boys was also one of my worries at first, but the guys are very clean. Mind you, I wouldn't want to give any of them a blow job! Who knows where their cocks have been.

Bigguyby, Good boys is easy, although I can understand how a newbie to the bar would feel a little intimidated.
 
Actually, the guys just want to be chuck-wowed. Quick and easy. So choose a guy sitting outside and just walk together to the area behind the screen. He'll have his pants around his ankles in no time. And you'll probably have the other guys lining up for their turn. I'm an old hand at this, so to speak. and can personally recommend the twins and the guy with the gold chain. All are very well hung!
 
BTW, do those guys who do the wank show at Sunny Boys cum? Seems silly,as there goes their chances of being offed.

Wow! They are all gorgeous!

How on earth did he manage to cut his cock??
 
I would have gone to the nearest pharmacy, bought as many different creams as I could and then taken great pleasure in applying each one individually.

How on earth did he manage to cut his cock??
 
I would have gone to the nearest pharmacy, bought as many different creams as I could and then taken great pleasure in applying each one individually.

How on earth did he manage to cut his cock??
 
I would have gone to the nearest pharmacy, bought as many different creams as I could and then taken great pleasure in applying each one individually.

There seems to be nothing "normal" at Nature Boys these days; it seems to depend on the night and the whim if the boys.
 
Up until last year you could depend on seeing around 8 to 10 guys every night. Now numbers fluctuate between 0 and 10. Last month they had a few new guys.
 
They haven't worn those aprons for a couple of years now. Oh, one of my regulars there, told me the police banned them. But there's still easy access to the goods and the guys are as eager as ever.

Very interesting description of your shenanigans at Eros.
 
So, you met Ray. His real name is Aek and he comes from one of the hill tribes. He has a Swiss boyfriend and tells me he's been to visit him in Switzerland a few times. Aek is as mad as a cut snake, but a lovely guy, although he's not my type. He's probably the naughtiest guy in the bar and is up for just about anything. A farang customer often pays him to give a blow job to one of the boys. The 1000 baht you paid him seems appropriate, especially as he let you cum in his mouth. Or was that by mistake?
 
That guy sitting right down the front in your photos is more my type; he looks really hot!

The bars on Soi twilight usually have drink prices posted on the door.
 
If I were charging 500 baht for a drink, I guess I'd keep it quiet, too.

There seems to be nothing "normal" at Nature Boys these days; it seems to depend on the night and the whim if the boys.
 
Up until last year you could depend on seeing around 8 to 10 guys every night. Now numbers fluctuate between 0 and 10. Last month they had a few new guys.
 
They haven't worn those aprons for a couple of years now. Oh, one of my regulars there, told me the police banned them. But there's still easy access to the goods and the guys are as eager as ever.

Day 13 and 14, 1st and 2nd September 2015

For the next few days there is little to report on this forum, my tummy troubles reasserted themselves and I spent much of the days in bed but the occasional girl dropping in to nurse me (in exchange for a modest hand-out of course), and with my Long Time, Eve returning for the next three nights. If my health had deteriorated, then my libido had also plumeted.





Day 15, Thursday 3rd September 2015

Tummy problems persisted and my cock dangles lifeless, but I am determined to rouse myself a little and maybe go and visit Chai and get a massage and see if he resuscitate my poor cock.

I still felt sufficiently weak to get a taxi-bike to Chai’s massage shop. Pre-warned he was there waiting for me and seemed quite concerned as to how I was feeling. We go through to the massage room and find a relatively secluded booth where I strip off – he stays to help me and looks down at my shrunken cock and shakes his head with mock disbelief ‘mai sabbi!’ he says sadly. I can but agree!


(another FB pic again I am afraid0

As I have said before, first and foremost Chai does a really great oil massage and I relax under his touch as he massages away on my back, bum and legs. Turn-over time and my cock is completely unresponsive, even when he is massaging away around my tummy, groin and balls – nothing at all! This is serious! I urge him to do his best to massage my cock and he does so, dripping oil on it and pulling, squeezing and tweaking.

After a couple of completely unresponsive minutes the miracle starts to happen. My cock starts to thicken, Chai redoubles his efforts, and slowly it starts to get hard – the boy has healing hands I tell you! I was overjoyed – it does still work! Slowly and methodically he strokes away at it, sometimes long strokes along the length of the shaft, sometimes just little short strokes around the head and sometimes using the palms of his hands to ‘polish’ the top of the head itself. My cock is now happily pulsating away to his touch. I am nowhere near cumming, but oh the relief to know that it still works! LOL

With a sign from me Chai abandons my cock and gets behind me to massage my scalp and face – I just melt into his lap as he does so. Massage concluded he gets a bigger than usual ‘extras’ tip – I just felt so relieved and grateful to him.

Well this opened up possibilities!

Or maybe not! I lined up a Short Time with a girl who I have seen on and off for a couple of years – Miss Sex on Legs – or Olive for short! But would my cock respond to her? - not a chance. Olive was as sexy and playful as ever, but my cock slept through the lot.



Likewise my Long Time Eve was reaching major frustration levels with me, she turned up hot and horny and all I wanted was a cuddle and sleep!




Day 16, Friday 4th September 2015

Actually felt quite a bit better this morning, first solid poo in days and pissing out my cock again. Sorry, but these things become important! LOL Also got a message from a friend from the UK, he had landed a few hours ago and did I want breakfast at the Queen Victoria about 10.30am? Yes I could go for that!

But what to do about Eve, I liked her and enjoyed her company and she had put up with me whilst I was feeling low and ill, but I felt that it was time that I moved on. But on the other hand I didn’t want to just fuck her this morning (and I probably could manage that this morning) and then tell her to piss off, that would be really unfair. So as she awoke I made out that I wasn’t really feeling any better and that I would just pay her as normal. I also told her that I was seeing friends tonight and couldn’t see her again tonight.



Bless her she seemed unphased, almost as if she was expecting me to say something like that. She remained pleasant and cheerful until it was time for her to go, a quick kiss and a cuddle and she was out of the door. All in all she deserved better than to be my part-time nursemaid for four nights!

Downstairs I duly met up with my friend, better yet breakfast was his treat, I risked an omelette and ate most of it, yes I was feeling quite a bit better – at least compared to the last few days I was. My friend shares my interest in ladyboys as well as girls, although BoyzTown and all its associated activities lies beyond his boundaries. We had talked most days by Facebook messenger and had all sorts of plans to go off bar-hopping together around Ladyboyland as well as on Soi 6.

We happily chatted about his flight and his hotel and about our plans for the next week or so. I left the breakfast table feeling both better and more optimistic about the remainder of my holiday.

No need for ATM or laundry today, I had a room-safe full of baht still – hadn’t really been spending much over the last few days, and I had spend far more time naked in bed than wearing any clothes! – so there were some silver linings to my little cloud of ill-health of the last few days.

Still back to my room to rest after breakfast and let my meal settle safely. There I found a Facebook message from ladyboy Mo(LikesSex), she would be back at Z Bar shortly if I wanted to see her again. Well that would certainly test my recovery, but I agreed, I had had such a great time with her the previous week.

It was about 3pm when I went down to find her, she was sitting on her own out front, she looked up, saw me approaching, and stood up and smiled. Did I want a drink, no I said but I pay bar – 300 baht on the bar and we were off up to my room. She seemed more than happy.



Quick shower each and onto the bed together, I told her of my illness and how I was still a bit delicate and that she was certainly going to be putting nothing at all up my ass this time – not even a finger! How much she understood of all this I don’t know, but her response was to put my hand on her already erect cock while she leaned across and got to work on mine. She did a good job, I was hard within a couple of minutes.

For a while we played and licked and sucked and stroked. She wanted to cum, and she wanted me to fuck her as she did. Not an unreasonable request, despite her pulling a face as I insisted on a condom, so that is what I did. Her on her back, me on top with her legs on my shoulders, a squirt of KY and I was balls deep inside her as she stroked her cock furiously as I proceeded to fuck her. I took it fairly slow as I wanted my back to hold out for as long as possible, but after a few minutes she cum quite heavily and I relaxed and lay back on my back.

No I couldn’t cum, but at least I had stayed hard throughout and got her to cum; so quite an improvement for me. She was paid and left happily – I had planned on seeing her again, but sadly not – we keep in touch still on Facebook – she really does like sex does Mo!

Well that exhausted my energy for a while and I happily rested for a couple of hours. But later I got to thinking, was I really just going to spend another evening in my room – and I had no Long Time planned for tonight to keep me company either.

No this wouldn’t do, it wouldn’t do at all. I needed to get up off my ass and do something. An idea crept into the back of my mind, I played with my cock and started to wank it – yes it got hard – ok. I was going to go and see Vit for a ‘massage’ – he has never failed to get me to cum this holiday and frankly I felt horny and my balls felt heavy. It was a risk, but I gave him a call.

A 80 baht taxi-bike to the edge of Boyztown and in, round the corner, to his shop and he was outside with all the other boys, about twenty of them, but he was looking out for me. In and paid the 1.5k baht at reception, Vit was given the room key, and up we went. He wanted to know why he hadn’t seen me for a five days and I explained the best I could. ‘Ok, you fuck me today’ he said.



We showered and returned to the room, a ten minute excuse of a massage as I lay on my tummy, I again felt his erect cock brushing my bum crack as he reached up to my shoulders, involuntarily I squeezed my bum cheeks around his cock as he did so. He started to tease my bum hole with the head of his cock giving his funny little laugh as he did so. I almost wanted him to press ahead.

He lay me on my back and started to stroke my cock and moved forwards so that I could reach his – he already had beads of pre-cum oozing from the head of his cock – horny little bugger. It didn’t take many strokes of his cock before he had cum all over my chest. Soon mopped up and within a few more minutes of fooling about together he was starting to get hard again – oh what it is to be young and virile! He had tried hard to get me off whilst this was going on but to no avail.

Undeterred he gets up and kneels down, head on the pillow, ass in the air, his bum hole winking at me. My cock was still pleasingly hard, and stayed so even when the condom was rolled on. Lots of massage oil and I got on my knees behind him and edged forward. He still finds this quite painful (although not nearly as much as I do when the roles are reversed!), so I took it slow and steady and just eased the head of my cock into his ass and paused for a few moments, and then reaching round and giving his re-hardened cock a stroke I watched as my cock slowly disappeared into his ass. I heard him cry out a little and sprayed more oil on as I withdrew and the pushed in again.

For a while I just enjoyed watching myself fuck him (I got a good view, I had clearly lost weight over the last 10 days!). Once his ass was open I could pull all the way out and then push back in with little discomfort for him. He was wanking his cock like crazy as I was doing this. I picked up the pace, took a hold of his waist and started to really fuck him. Only a few moments later he groaned as he cum again. He showed me his hand all covered in cum, I wiped it off and massaged it onto his bum cheeks as I pumped away. But no I couldn’t cum.

I withdrew as gently as I could and watched his ass hole gape and then slowly close. He is up, pushing me onto my back and oiling my cock and stroking away vigorously at it, he wanted me to cum and was trying a third time to get me off. It still didn’t work, I was close, but not quite there, and so he came and lay alongside me and snuggled up for a bit. I found my hand resting on his cock, it started to thicken again – he had already cum twice this session and here he was getting hard again. I continued to play with his cock and I felt it get harder and harder. ‘Can you really cum again?’ I asked, ‘yes think so’ he replied.

Laying me on my back again he came and sat on my upper chest facing me so that his erect cock was reachable with hand and mouth and I started to suck, lick and stroke him. I tasted the pre-cum again on the head of his cock – yes he probably can cum again. All the time I was stroking my own cock which too was dribbling pre-cum – he reached back and got some on his fingers and made me taste it – ‘same same mine?’ he asked laughing.

I keep going on his cock, he is close to cumming again I can tell, his eyes are tight shut and he is concentrating hard, I too am getting close to cumming I can feel it welling-up. He beats me to it and cums on my face – not much, after all it is his third time in less than an hour. But then I cum all over his back, several thick spurts; damn I needed that, I so needed that!



The mattress is a mess, we are a mess, and after a brief recovery period for both of us we head to the shower together and again he positions me sideways to him and carefully soaps and washes me before he does himself. I give a laugh as I see that his back is still dripping with my cum and I wash it off for him.

Back in the room we dress, I take a couple of pics and I give him a generous tip, he looks surprised, but by god the lad earned it tonight, that was a truly memorable shag! (even now weeks later I can still visualise every moment of it) I ask him if he wants long-time with me tonight back at the hotel, but I get a sorry cannot from him – a refusal eased with a hug and a kiss from him. I press no further – not sure how the Queen Victoria (yet alone anyone else on Soi 6) would react anyway if I turned up at night with a boy?

That was the best session I have had with Vit so far, but it was exhausting, perhaps I am not fully recovered after all – but the sheer joy of emptying my balls after so many days was worth all the tiredness than followed!

It was only about 9.15 when I left Vit’s shop and got a baht bus down second road to Soi 6. Back to my room to rest a while before going back out onto Soi 6 for a drink with friends.

Now I had by now fulfilled all the pre-trip promises I had made to girls and (mostly) ladyboys to ‘see’ them. All except one, a little ladyboy called Coco who used to work in So What Bar and with whom I had had a threesome a year or so ago. I recall her being rather eclipsed by the other ladyboy involved, but we had recently struck up some conversations on Face Book and low season was hitting her quite hard and yes, I promised to spend some time with her.

She was now working in Pat Bar directly opposite So What Bar. Indeed Pat Bar had undergone some sort of transformation and the bar immediately below it had been opened up and re-named Pat2 Bar and this is where I saw her tonight.

I was going to just smile at her and walk on by – but her friends pushed her out onto the street to stop me. All of a sudden I felt guilty and decided to go back into her bar with her and buy her a drink. One drink turned into a second drink (for her anyway), my bottle of water seemed never ending! It was only around 11pm, but I found myself enjoying chatting to her, we had never really talked much before. I began to appreciate what a lovely ladyboy she was, she is small, petite and quite feminine looking and her voice is soft and her English good; I was enjoying this.

All of a sudden I realised that I had found my Long Time for tonight – that is if she wanted? And yes she did want, and 2k baht would do nicely plus the 500 baht take-out barfine. She seemed really pleased and me, well I was pleasantly surprised and increasingly certain that I had made a good decision.



Time to head back to the Queen Victoria. Coco has a nice slim little body and her cock is bigger than I remembered and hardens nicely when I start to play with it. She is horny but not ‘in your face’ horny like Mo for example, she is fun and sexy.

We have a great session and eventually we settle down to sleep. It has been a surprisingly busy day.

Very interesting description of your shenanigans at Eros.
 
So, you met Ray. His real name is Aek and he comes from one of the hill tribes. He has a Swiss boyfriend and tells me he's been to visit him in Switzerland a few times. Aek is as mad as a cut snake, but a lovely guy, although he's not my type. He's probably the naughtiest guy in the bar and is up for just about anything. A farang customer often pays him to give a blow job to one of the boys. The 1000 baht you paid him seems appropriate, especially as he let you cum in his mouth. Or was that by mistake?
 
That guy sitting right down the front in your photos is more my type; he looks really hot!

Very interesting description of your shenanigans at Eros.
 
So, you met Ray. His real name is Aek and he comes from one of the hill tribes. He has a Swiss boyfriend and tells me he's been to visit him in Switzerland a few times. Aek is as mad as a cut snake, but a lovely guy, although he's not my type. He's probably the naughtiest guy in the bar and is up for just about anything. A farang customer often pays him to give a blow job to one of the boys. The 1000 baht you paid him seems appropriate, especially as he let you cum in his mouth. Or was that by mistake?
 
That guy sitting right down the front in your photos is more my type; he looks really hot!

Very interesting description of your shenanigans at Eros.
 
So, you met Ray. His real name is Aek and he comes from one of the hill tribes. He has a Swiss boyfriend and tells me he's been to visit him in Switzerland a few times. Aek is as mad as a cut snake, but a lovely guy, although he's not my type. He's probably the naughtiest guy in the bar and is up for just about anything. A farang customer often pays him to give a blow job to one of the boys. The 1000 baht you paid him seems appropriate, especially as he let you cum in his mouth. Or was that by mistake?
 
That guy sitting right down the front in your photos is more my type; he looks really hot!

I don't see it as a con at all. These guys are free agents and can charge whatever the market will bear.
 
I just made a post about a guy who appears in a photo in the thread on Dreamboys in the Thailand Business forum. I offed him many times when I first went to Bangkok back in the early 2000s. In those days, he asked for 3000 short time and I paid it, thinking that was the going rate. Of course, it was more than double, as I later found out. But did he con me? I don't think so. If a customer is willing to pay - and I actually thought I was getting value for money - then why not? After all, it was my decision to pay. When I first saw him naked back in the room, I thought I'd died and gone to heaven. Christ, I would have paid double!
 
Regarding that 1200 tip, I've spoken to lots of gogo boys about the Chinese over the past couple of years, ever since they took over the market. Not one has ever had a good thing to say about them, even though most of the boys had never had a Chinese customer. But word gets around from those who have. They all complain that they are very poor tippers.
 
I agree with you that there is a minimum tip expected by the guys. And some obviously don't need the money, or are not that desperate. It's why when, at the end of the evening when they still haven't been offed, they'd rather go home alone than accept a lesser amount.
 
The Thai way of doing business mystifies me. In other countries prices fall when business is slow, but in Thailand the exact opposite happens. I was in Dreamboys earlier this month and the place was practically deserted. At the end of the evening all the guys were still on stage. Yet the owner was still charging 450 baht for a drink and the waiters were still telling us it was 2000 short time. They are doing the guys a huge disservice by scaring potential customers away. If drinks were cheaper between shows, more customers would have a guy sit with them and the chances for offs would skyrocket. The bar would make more money from drinks and earn more from off fees. But no. This is Thailand. I give up!

I visited Boyzboyzboyz around July this year and posted on another forum that I thought number 77 looked like an axe murderer. But I must say he's the most handsome, gorgeous axe murderer I've ever laid eyes on. Oh, and I was also impressed by his massive piece of Isaan meat! I wonder if he's still there?
 
In one of the cock shows the boys wear masks. Why?? It just spoils everything. (Not that I spend a lot of time looking at their faces!)

I visited Boyzboyzboyz around July this year and posted on another forum that I thought number 77 looked like an axe murderer. But I must say he's the most handsome, gorgeous axe murderer I've ever laid eyes on. Oh, and I was also impressed by his massive piece of Isaan meat! I wonder if he's still there?
 
In one of the cock shows the boys wear masks. Why?? It just spoils everything. (Not that I spend a lot of time looking at their faces!)

I guess tip the cleaning staff because I see them so often during my stay, whereas I don't have anything to do with the other people you mentioned. But you're right - a tip doesn't necessarily mean they do a better job.
 
And I forgot about the 300 baht minimum wage, so no, it wouldn't take them a month. My mistake.
 
Tipping has always been a difficult issue for me, as I grew up in a country where tipping is unheard of. I remember when I first went to Hong Kong. The first morning I went down to the restaurant for breakfast and got great servuce. The second morning the waiters completely ignored me. WTF?? So I asked a fellow guest what was going on. It was because I hadn't tipped them the day before. He told me what the appropriate tip was, so I promptly doubled it. From then on, I was treated like royalty.
 
Because of that experience, I now tip generously if I am in a situation where I want to be well treated. And it works every time.
 
I look at it this way : I do not consider myself to be a rich person rolling in money. What I do know is that, like many (most?) others here, I am doing ok and I have more money than these guys could ever dream of. So why not spread a bit of it about? 100 baht is nothing but it is a meaningful sum for many of the locals. If someone goes beyond the call of duty to make me really happy, then that 300 baht tip is, I'm sure, much appreciated. It's doubled his daily pay. Next time I go back, I know I'll be well treated and he'll get another, albeit smaller, tip from me. We are both winners and to me, that's what is all about. I don't want to be in a situation where I'm the only one who walks away with a smile on his face. That's hardly fair.
 
But I'm not a charity. If someone is going to get a tip from me, they have to do something to earn it. That's why the mama-sans get nothing.
 
I'm also not one of those farangs who goes into a bar and just throws his money around. The boys see such farangs as basically stupid, although, of course, they are more than willing to benefit from such stupidity. On a number of occasions I've seen customers throw handfuls of money onto the stage and then watch as the boys all pounce on it. How degrading. Where do they think they are? In a zoo feeding starving animals?
 
And while I'm on my soapbox, I also hate those farang who flaunt their wealth in front of the boys, taking out their phones to show them photos of their house, car, etc. Look at me! I've got all this money and you don't! How pathetic. Don't they ever take into account how the boys must feel?

Re: tips, apart from the guys I sleep with, I always make sure I tip the two guys at Tarntawan who check the id cards, as well as the doorman, who is really friendly and helpful. Cleaning staff also get a tip every day. Boy, I'd hate to do their job! And hotel staff don't get paid much. If they knew what we tip the guys we take back to our room every night they'd be horrified. It's probably the equivalent of a month's wages for them!
 
In restaurants I always tip the waiters if I find them attractive - the more handsome, the more I tend to tip. If he smiles and is very friendly, the tip increases accordingly.
 
In bars I tend to give the mama-sans short shrift. To get a tip from me, first I'd have to call them over and then they'd have to be really helpful. But usually I don't believe a word of what they say when they tell me things like :" He do everything." I'll get that info from the boy. Much more reliable.
 
If a guy is great on bed I'll give far more than the minimum tip in order to show my appreciation for a job well done. That way, we are both happy. If he doesn't perform, he gets the minimum.

Check with the staff? Christ, they'll tell you anything to get you into the bar.

When I was in Freshboys earlier this month there were only a couple of customers. The guys started moving towards me and the mama-san asked me which guy I wanted. Even though I insisted I was just looking, he brought a guy over, so promptly day down next to me. I politely asked him to leave, only to have the mama-san bring over another.
 
Times are tough for the bars at the moment and everyone is getting desperate. If they had any common sense, they'd lower the price of drinks as that would encourage all the tourists sitting in the beer bars to come inside and have a drink. Maybe some would then ask a guy to sit with them and buy them a drink. Who knows - some guys may even get offed. I'm not a drinker, but I know I'd much rather have a beer whilst looking at guys in their underwear, rather than sitting outside watching other tourists walk by. I'm more than willing to pay more for my drink, but 350 baht is way over the top when they don't have a show.
 
The bars have got their price structure all wrong and have no idea how to make a baht. They want the few customers who do step inside to make up the revenue lost from those who decide to stay outside. Crazy.
 
And whall, I know it's early days, but how did your experience with the Thai guy compare with those college guys?

Dreamboys usually sets the standard in the Soi, not X-boys, so I wouldn't be surprised if they charge even more for drinks. I guess off fees will also rise accordingly, along with the "suggested" tip for the guys. Where will it all end?

I don't see it as a con at all. These guys are free agents and can charge whatever the market will bear.
 
I just made a post about a guy who appears in a photo in the thread on Dreamboys in the Thailand Business forum. I offed him many times when I first went to Bangkok back in the early 2000s. In those days, he asked for 3000 short time and I paid it, thinking that was the going rate. Of course, it was more than double, as I later found out. But did he con me? I don't think so. If a customer is willing to pay - and I actually thought I was getting value for money - then why not? After all, it was my decision to pay. When I first saw him naked back in the room, I thought I'd died and gone to heaven. Christ, I would have paid double!
 
Regarding that 1200 tip, I've spoken to lots of gogo boys about the Chinese over the past couple of years, ever since they took over the market. Not one has ever had a good thing to say about them, even though most of the boys had never had a Chinese customer. But word gets around from those who have. They all complain that they are very poor tippers.
 
I agree with you that there is a minimum tip expected by the guys. And some obviously don't need the money, or are not that desperate. It's why when, at the end of the evening when they still haven't been offed, they'd rather go home alone than accept a lesser amount.
 
The Thai way of doing business mystifies me. In other countries prices fall when business is slow, but in Thailand the exact opposite happens. I was in Dreamboys earlier this month and the place was practically deserted. At the end of the evening all the guys were still on stage. Yet the owner was still charging 450 baht for a drink and the waiters were still telling us it was 2000 short time. They are doing the guys a huge disservice by scaring potential customers away. If drinks were cheaper between shows, more customers would have a guy sit with them and the chances for offs would skyrocket. The bar would make more money from drinks and earn more from off fees. But no. This is Thailand. I give up!