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More likely that nobody bothered to turn up for work!

More likely that nobody bothered to turn up for work!

Nothing in life is free; you get what you pay for.
 
The actual cost of the fun is not the point for me - value for money is the most important thing. All I care about is whether or not I'm having a great time. If I am -and I always do - then it's worth it. If I had to worry about the cost - which btw is ridiculously low compared to Australia or elsewhere in the world - I'd stay home and be miserable.
 
But I hate wasting money so I target it very carefully. I certainly don't throw it around with "gay" abandon.
 
Jasper wrote:
 
"Take example of this Taiwanese customer in Jupiter I have seen in September and November.
He is late thirties or early forties, wearing expensive brand clothes, drinking champagne surrounded by 4-5 cute boys, tipping lavishly to boys on stage.
He watches the show smiling all the time and when show ends he goes with 4-5 boys and have a meal/club.
My friend who is a friend with one of the customer’s favourite boy informed me that this guy loves pretty boys and he goes to shopping with boys and buys gifts for them too."
 
Good for him! He's the perfect example of someone who obviously believes he is getting value for money. And like Jasper, I also like watching customers enjoying themselves. If they can afford it, good luck to them. Fun does indeed need to be "oiled by money." The more money you can afford to spend, the more fun you can have.
 
On a recent trip I reported watching a middle-aged Chinese lady holding wads of 1000 baht notes and freely distributing them to guys on stage every time they had a shot of whisky she had provided for them. When the money had gone she simply pulled another wad out of her handbag and the fun continued. She, the bar and the guys on stage were all winners. What's not to love about that?
 
The whole idea of a holiday for me is to go home with a huge smile on my face and a desire to go back for more. And that's what happened after my first visit to Bangkok around 15 years ago. Sure, I was a novice and discovered I was tipping 3 times the going rate for an hour or so of fun. But I wasn't angry or in any way upset, because it was one of the best experiences of my life and that guy introduced me to something I previously considered to be unattainable to someone past his used-by date.
 
And btw, I agree totally with paborn's comment about guys in the bars. In my experience 99.9% are decent, honest guys just out to earn a living.

I think you were right the first time. It's the bar environment.  Remember Studio 54 and the hype? There was nothing, absolutely nothing inside that was not available in the other clubs of NYC. But, give the hype, the glitz, the marketing, etc. etc. and you create a sense of scarcity and push the cost up.
 
I have yet to see Moonlight. However, I well remember the hype of Jupiter 2000, the Millenial opening, the "MODELS" ( models you could find in any gym in Bangkok! ). I went and saw nothing I wanted. But, I did see the glitz and a huge attempt to create glamor - the preferred seating, the special this and special that, the attitude.  I took myself off to Dreamboys ( much different in those days ) a good reliable bar with a wide range of guys.
 
Make no mistake, the muscle guys play to a narrow section of the customer base and if you use that hype and narrowness to create a sense of higher taste and call it special, rather than just another choice, you can charge a higher price. Take a look at the threads here that go on and on about certain guys. Fine, I get that you like them and you can suggest over and over that, I must come and see for myself. But, I have seen and there is not a single one of them that I want to sit with, dine with, or make love to.  Mekhin and Tam to me are NOT attractive at all and I value them at zero. Harsh? Yes, but I say it to make my point that the "boy next door" never gets the hype, but they are the ones you bring off to Mom or, in our case, take off.
 
So, come January I'll see the majority of you guys at Srewboys and Toyboys.
 
By the way, I'm not, in any way, denigrating the taste of those who prefer muscles but realize that the very narrowness of the market creates a market scarcity that drives higher prices. Yes, there are fewer muscle boys, but then the business owners know damn well that the market is narrow and don't recruit thus keeping it even more narrow. They create "stars" and market them
Also, before it's pointed out that this is my opinion let me add that: yes, of course, it is.

I eat out every night with my regular guy in Pattaya, and quite often with my "friend" in Bangkok. It's always just the two of us, although I have suggested they can invite some friends.
 
I always leave the choice of restaurant up to them. So far, neither has suggested any place remotely considered high dining. If they did, I'd have to go out and buy suitable attire, as shorts and Nikes just wouldn't cut it.
 
We tend to go to the same places -MK, Mango Tree or any Japanese restaurant in Bangkok, and Fuji, MK or any steak restaurant in Pattaya. Both take lots of photos of the food and post them on social media.
 
If my guy in Pattaya suggests Sizzler, I just hide my disappointment behind a smile and off we go.
 
Maybe they are intimidated by the thought of eating in a high-end restaurant. I've never asked them.
 
A number of years ago I met up with a German friend in Paris who had arranged to take me out for my birthday. He told me to dress nicely for the night.
 
We ended up in a very posh restaurant and to be honest, I felt a bit uncomfortable, as everything was totally over the top. Also, there were a lot of dishes I couldn't eat, (foie gras, anybody? Yuk!!) I would have been happier with a pizza!
 
So if they do feel intimidated, I can well understand why.

Day 3
 
After a good breakfast at the coffee club, headed back to hotel to digest awhile. Coffee club is a nice place, has all linds of food and a nice environment to chill.
 
Headed to arena, saw a muscleish cute guy, name is Nots. Lots of making out, sucking, hugging.. found out he was bi, he mentioned sth abt having a gf last time but then now he finds sex with guys better? Or sth lifdat heh.. rly like the arena guys, good muscles which are nice to touch/hug heh..
 
After that headed th senso, this time quite a few guys ~10 even on a monday. Even though Tim was there, wanted to try someone else and went for this dark toned tall muscleish guy called Chai. Good looking too. Massage was hard and sensual, lots of hugging/carressing.. senso rooms are big, with the shower in a cubicle room by itself. Spacious and on a king sized bed.
 
i actually wanted to try this guy called Kon, at senso, saw him a few times but Tim was always there and Tim was my regular. When I finally decided to try Kon he wasnt there ha sighs. After I chose Chai then Kon came down, just finished from a session. Oh wells. Next time! I had Kon before, in fact on my very first massage experience in bangkok ever, in 2014, so he’ll always be a special one heh..
 
This time i headed to jupiter, my my, i should have went earlier in my trip, the guys here are mostly my type - toned/muscleish but with cute/good looking face too! I find that most of the guys have either one of the other - face or body, though a few here and there with both. Now dont get me wrong, i dont mean most guys only have either good face or gopd body, but i mean the face/body that i like.
 
There were at least 20++ guys, i saw one that i offed before no.40, hes rly hawt, handsome and good body muscleish 6 packs, and i did have a good time last time. But there were so many other guys that id love to be with it was hard.. eventually i chose no.35, a good looking fair muscleish toned guy . We watched the show, which was quite good, performeds were hot and fun to watch. Eventually brought back 35 to my hotel. Had a good making out session, exploring his body with my tongue and hands, sucking.. definitely worth it =) apparently he says that after work at 1am he usually plays phone in hos room till 7am then goes to sleep till 3+ then goes gym before going to work. That should hv been a sign that he wont be able to sleep then. I think he was playing his phone till like abt 6am when he left while i slept lol. Kinda awkward then but whatever.. still a good experience anyway.
 
Now im in the airport mango tree eating before my flight back.. yes a short 3 day trip but un none the less.
 
Thanks for reading! I dont really write much but i do read most stuff here and when i do write its nice to know people do read it too heh. Thats all for now, till mext time! And ill definitely be going jupiter first heh

Host bars for women have been part of the landscape in Japan for as long as I can remember.
 
Wives do not get a lot of sex with their husbands - the guys get their fun in girlie bars with their colleagues after work.
 
I've been to a some host bars over the years with female friends. Most of the bars feature guys who are fully dressed, usually in designer clothes. The guys are all offable, but the price is very high. None of the ladies I went with offed a guy - they just sat and chatted. The girls really enjoyed the explicit sex talk but didn't want to take things further.
 
I didn't find the guys attractive at all, but the girls all went gaga over them. As I was their guest, I didn't have to pay but I remember it was ridiculously expensive.
 
I went to one where the guys wore Roman-style togas and small, white briefs. I couldn't take my eyes off them - they had gorgeous bodies. But again, I didn't find their faces attractive. The gay guys are much cuter imho.
 
Nothing much happened, apart from the girls touching the guys' thighs and rubbing their bare legs. I didn't see anyone being offed in the bar but as the number of guys gradually decreased over the evening I'm guessing they were taken by customers. It's all very discreet.
 
These host bars are packed with women, often bar girls who have the cash to spend freely on French champagne at around $1000 a bottle!
 
Women in bars behave differently to guys, from my observations. They seem less eager than guys to go for the grope. They enjoy the atmosphere most of all and love to admire the guys' bodies rather than concentrate on cock.
 
BBB in Pattaya was always a gay bar, but as the clientele changed to include more and more Asian women, they changed into a show bar and any sleaze basically disappeared. I doubt BBB would still be open if it relied on farang.
 
Once Boyztown becomes almost completely Chinese-owned, even Toyboys may change from being basically a gay bar as more and more Asian women discover it. Cupidol will have to follow. So I can see Boyztown soon being absolutely packed with women, and farang will just walk through the soi, like the Chinese tourists do today, reminiscing about how gay it used to be.
 
Sunee appears to be unknown to most gay travellers. For some reason the old crowd of Sunee regulars has slowly declined and on week nights I've sometimes been the only customer.
 
Part of me wishes the Chinese would discover Sunee and bring it back to life. But another part of me - you can guess which one - hopes they don't.

Host bars for women have been part of the landscape in Japan for as long as I can remember.
 
Wives do not get a lot of sex with their husbands - the guys get their fun in girlie bars with their colleagues after work.
 
I've been to a some host bars over the years with female friends. Most of the bars feature guys who are fully dressed, usually in designer clothes. The guys are all offable, but the price is very high. None of the ladies I went with offed a guy - they just sat and chatted. The girls really enjoyed the explicit sex talk but didn't want to take things further.
 
I didn't find the guys attractive at all, but the girls all went gaga over them. As I was their guest, I didn't have to pay but I remember it was ridiculously expensive.
 
I went to one where the guys wore Roman-style togas and small, white briefs. I couldn't take my eyes off them - they had gorgeous bodies. But again, I didn't find their faces attractive. The gay guys are much cuter imho.
 
Nothing much happened, apart from the girls touching the guys' thighs and rubbing their bare legs. I didn't see anyone being offed in the bar but as the number of guys gradually decreased over the evening I'm guessing they were taken by customers. It's all very discreet.
 
These host bars are packed with women, often bar girls who have the cash to spend freely on French champagne at around $1000 a bottle!
 
Women in bars behave differently to guys, from my observations. They seem less eager than guys to go for the grope. They enjoy the atmosphere most of all and love to admire the guys' bodies rather than concentrate on cock.
 
BBB in Pattaya was always a gay bar, but as the clientele changed to include more and more Asian women, they changed into a show bar and any sleaze basically disappeared. I doubt BBB would still be open if it relied on farang.
 
Once Boyztown becomes almost completely Chinese-owned, even Toyboys may change from being basically a gay bar as more and more Asian women discover it. Cupidol will have to follow. So I can see Boyztown soon being absolutely packed with women, and farang will just walk through the soi, like the Chinese tourists do today, reminiscing about how gay it used to be.
 
Sunee appears to be unknown to most gay travellers. For some reason the old crowd of Sunee regulars has slowly declined and on week nights I've sometimes been the only customer.
 
Part of me wishes the Chinese would discover Sunee and bring it back to life. But another part of me - you can guess which one - hopes they don't.

Host bars for women have been part of the landscape in Japan for as long as I can remember.
 
Wives do not get a lot of sex with their husbands - the guys get their fun in girlie bars with their colleagues after work.
 
I've been to a some host bars over the years with female friends. Most of the bars feature guys who are fully dressed, usually in designer clothes. The guys are all offable, but the price is very high. None of the ladies I went with offed a guy - they just sat and chatted. The girls really enjoyed the explicit sex talk but didn't want to take things further.
 
I didn't find the guys attractive at all, but the girls all went gaga over them. As I was their guest, I didn't have to pay but I remember it was ridiculously expensive.
 
I went to one where the guys wore Roman-style togas and small, white briefs. I couldn't take my eyes off them - they had gorgeous bodies. But again, I didn't find their faces attractive. The gay guys are much cuter imho.
 
Nothing much happened, apart from the girls touching the guys' thighs and rubbing their bare legs. I didn't see anyone being offed in the bar but as the number of guys gradually decreased over the evening I'm guessing they were taken by customers. It's all very discreet.
 
These host bars are packed with women, often bar girls who have the cash to spend freely on French champagne at around $1000 a bottle!
 
Women in bars behave differently to guys, from my observations. They seem less eager than guys to go for the grope. They enjoy the atmosphere most of all and love to admire the guys' bodies rather than concentrate on cock.
 
BBB in Pattaya was always a gay bar, but as the clientele changed to include more and more Asian women, they changed into a show bar and any sleaze basically disappeared. I doubt BBB would still be open if it relied on farang.
 
Once Boyztown becomes almost completely Chinese-owned, even Toyboys may change from being basically a gay bar as more and more Asian women discover it. Cupidol will have to follow. So I can see Boyztown soon being absolutely packed with women, and farang will just walk through the soi, like the Chinese tourists do today, reminiscing about how gay it used to be.
 
Sunee appears to be unknown to most gay travellers. For some reason the old crowd of Sunee regulars has slowly declined and on week nights I've sometimes been the only customer.
 
Part of me wishes the Chinese would discover Sunee and bring it back to life. But another part of me - you can guess which one - hopes they don't.

"I dont care what others think anymore,im not here to please anyone or make others happy that i must please them."
 
I think that's a great way to lead your life; I couldn't agree more. I was about to give you a "like ".
 
But then you wrote this :
 
"And nor do i judge others...", and quickly followed it up with :
 
".....there is some on this forum who going by their posts obviously have low self esteem and do care what others think ...."
 
I'm one of those people and you are judging me. You've immediately contradicted yourself.
 
I think my self-esteem is actually quite healthy, but I definitely find it uncomfortable being stuck in a lift with mum, dad and the kids as I take a guy up to my room. I don't think that feeling uncomfortable necessarily equates to having low self-esteem. It's just a bit awkward.
 
But you are ignoring a big part of the equation - the feelings of the guy you are with. Afterall, they are staring at him too, and he also would feel uncomfortable. We have to take his feelings into consideration, too, and avoid putting him in an uncomfortable situation.
 
And as has already been pointed out, you contradicted yourself again in your last sentence, where you said you would feel uncomfortable if you were say, 75 years old in the company of a younger guy, thereby indicating that you may also suffer from low self-esteem.
 
I don't consider your post to be a "rant " but it is a little confusing.

I've met a number of guys over the years ago have been lucky enough to go on holiday overseas with a farang. Judging by the photos and their stories, they all had the time of their lives.
 
I never asked them if they got paid. Maybe some didn't.
 
If a guy declines to accept any payment, feeling the holiday itself is enough reward, then good on him. Afterall, some farang appear to spare no expense, starting at high -end hotels and taking the guys to expensive restaurants.
 
But I think the default position is that you pay them. I would always talk to them about their expectations first.

"I dont care what others think anymore,im not here to please anyone or make others happy that i must please them."
 
I think that's a great way to lead your life; I couldn't agree more. I was about to give you a "like ".
 
But then you wrote this :
 
"And nor do i judge others...", and quickly followed it up with :
 
".....there is some on this forum who going by their posts obviously have low self esteem and do care what others think ...."
 
I'm one of those people and you are judging me. You've immediately contradicted yourself.
 
I think my self-esteem is actually quite healthy, but I definitely find it uncomfortable being stuck in a lift with mum, dad and the kids as I take a guy up to my room. I don't think that feeling uncomfortable necessarily equates to having low self-esteem. It's just a bit awkward.
 
But you are ignoring a big part of the equation - the feelings of the guy you are with. Afterall, they are staring at him too, and he also would feel uncomfortable. We have to take his feelings into consideration, too, and avoid putting him in an uncomfortable situation.
 
And as has already been pointed out, you contradicted yourself again in your last sentence, where you said you would feel uncomfortable if you were say, 75 years old in the company of a younger guy, thereby indicating that you may also suffer from low self-esteem.
 
I don't consider your post to be a "rant " but it is a little confusing.

A few days back, Having just arrived in Pattaya/Jomtien, I took as an assignment to check out Sunnee, Boyztown, and Jomtien and report on what I saw, numbers of boys, number of farangs, etc.
 
I note first, that hanan and I were in the same flight path last night and I agree there was a busy vibe. Except for Good Boys. 4 boys on phones, no customers visible (which is expected due to the lack of lighting in support of activities).
 
Winner boys had 16 boys, maybe ten customers. I bought drinks for two boys, they said business was so-so. Waiting on full on high season. Nice Boys was its usual raucous self. Stage had more than 15 boys and more boys with customers. One farang had 2 in full Nice Boys entertainment mode. I spent time with #12 and Mamasan Mac with drinks. More boys than customers but that’s to our advantage. Plan on going back to off #12. Couldn’t do that last night as I had my assignment.
 
Walked to Boyztown...first thing i I noticed was how bright the new Cafe Royal set up is. Street flooded with light and lots of sound. But no karaoke at BBB across from Panorama and Cupidol as reported by others. Panorama has a For Sale sign posted but business operating.
 
Not a lot of street traffic.
 
Took a look inside of BBB, show had started, place full but not packed, mostly Asian audience, 20 to 30% female. I did not linger as still on assignment.
 
Cupidol - lots of customers and lots of boys. Seemed Twinkier than in the past.
 
Toy Boys was an oasis of gogo craftsmanship. 10 boys on stage. Other boys in and out from the back room. Management makes then deposit their phones while working. Most of the boys looked hand crafted for a masculinity that’s somewhere between twink and muscle god.
 
At this point, my assignment mode went to pause I offed Soph who I’ve offed before and believe to be designed by DaVinci and sculpted by Michaelangelo and porno powered in private. More, maybe, in my trip report when I get home.
 
It was a short time, so to recover, I headed out to Jomtien. Several new bars, two cabaret shows in addition to Venue. Street was packed at the Venue end. Sun Bar was having a party and it and the neighboring bars were overflowing with boys and those who admire them. @Home and the new R Bar were busy as they are across from Sun Bar.
 
Coming from Boyztown and Sunnee, it was a revelation to see so many revelers in one place. LipSynch diva show part of festivities. Drinks and bottles served and passed around. Twice saw motorbike deliveries of ice (10 jumbo bags each time). Didn’t notice any Asian customers.
 
Tired from the festivities and time with Soph, I put away my notebook and went to my hotel. I noticed that the other bars between the Venue end and The Poseidon were busy to sparse with customers. No way as busy as in tonight’s party area.
 
If all goes well, I’ll try to revisit on a non-weekend night before heading to Bangkok.

"I dont care what others think anymore,im not here to please anyone or make others happy that i must please them."
 
I think that's a great way to lead your life; I couldn't agree more. I was about to give you a "like ".
 
But then you wrote this :
 
"And nor do i judge others...", and quickly followed it up with :
 
".....there is some on this forum who going by their posts obviously have low self esteem and do care what others think ...."
 
I'm one of those people and you are judging me. You've immediately contradicted yourself.
 
I think my self-esteem is actually quite healthy, but I definitely find it uncomfortable being stuck in a lift with mum, dad and the kids as I take a guy up to my room. I don't think that feeling uncomfortable necessarily equates to having low self-esteem. It's just a bit awkward.
 
But you are ignoring a big part of the equation - the feelings of the guy you are with. Afterall, they are staring at him too, and he also would feel uncomfortable. We have to take his feelings into consideration, too, and avoid putting him in an uncomfortable situation.
 
And as has already been pointed out, you contradicted yourself again in your last sentence, where you said you would feel uncomfortable if you were say, 75 years old in the company of a younger guy, thereby indicating that you may also suffer from low self-esteem.
 
I don't consider your post to be a "rant " but it is a little confusing.

Agreed.
 
Any time spent with a guy, no matter where you are and what you do together, must be paid for.
 
Unless you are in a committed relationship.
 
Being with farang is work.

Good Lord. Yes, you tip them, negotiate multiple days but still be generous they are with you 24 / 7 and they are working. You're on vacation not them. You are their job and it's best we all realize that.

"I dont care what others think anymore,im not here to please anyone or make others happy that i must please them."
 
I think that's a great way to lead your life; I couldn't agree more. I was about to give you a "like ".
 
But then you wrote this :
 
"And nor do i judge others...", and quickly followed it up with :
 
".....there is some on this forum who going by their posts obviously have low self esteem and do care what others think ...."
 
I'm one of those people and you are judging me. You've immediately contradicted yourself.
 
I think my self-esteem is actually quite healthy, but I definitely find it uncomfortable being stuck in a lift with mum, dad and the kids as I take a guy up to my room. I don't think that feeling uncomfortable necessarily equates to having low self-esteem. It's just a bit awkward.
 
But you are ignoring a big part of the equation - the feelings of the guy you are with. Afterall, they are staring at him too, and he also would feel uncomfortable. We have to take his feelings into consideration, too, and avoid putting him in an uncomfortable situation.
 
And as has already been pointed out, you contradicted yourself again in your last sentence, where you said you would feel uncomfortable if you were say, 75 years old in the company of a younger guy, thereby indicating that you may also suffer from low self-esteem.
 
I don't consider your post to be a "rant " but it is a little confusing.

I eat out every night with my regular guy in Pattaya, and quite often with my "friend" in Bangkok. It's always just the two of us, although I have suggested they can invite some friends.
 
I always leave the choice of restaurant up to them. So far, neither has suggested any place remotely considered high dining. If they did, I'd have to go out and buy suitable attire, as shorts and Nikes just wouldn't cut it.
 
We tend to go to the same places -MK, Mango Tree or any Japanese restaurant in Bangkok, and Fuji, MK or any steak restaurant in Pattaya. Both take lots of photos of the food and post them on social media.
 
If my guy in Pattaya suggests Sizzler, I just hide my disappointment behind a smile and off we go.
 
Maybe they are intimidated by the thought of eating in a high-end restaurant. I've never asked them.
 
A number of years ago I met up with a German friend in Paris who had arranged to take me out for my birthday. He told me to dress nicely for the night.
 
We ended up in a very posh restaurant and to be honest, I felt a bit uncomfortable, as everything was totally over the top. Also, there were a lot of dishes I couldn't eat, (foie gras, anybody? Yuk!!) I would have been happier with a pizza!
 
So if they do feel intimidated, I can well understand why.

"I dont care what others think anymore,im not here to please anyone or make others happy that i must please them."
 
I think that's a great way to lead your life; I couldn't agree more. I was about to give you a "like ".
 
But then you wrote this :
 
"And nor do i judge others...", and quickly followed it up with :
 
".....there is some on this forum who going by their posts obviously have low self esteem and do care what others think ...."
 
I'm one of those people and you are judging me. You've immediately contradicted yourself.
 
I think my self-esteem is actually quite healthy, but I definitely find it uncomfortable being stuck in a lift with mum, dad and the kids as I take a guy up to my room. I don't think that feeling uncomfortable necessarily equates to having low self-esteem. It's just a bit awkward.
 
But you are ignoring a big part of the equation - the feelings of the guy you are with. Afterall, they are staring at him too, and he also would feel uncomfortable. We have to take his feelings into consideration, too, and avoid putting him in an uncomfortable situation.
 
And as has already been pointed out, you contradicted yourself again in your last sentence, where you said you would feel uncomfortable if you were say, 75 years old in the company of a younger guy, thereby indicating that you may also suffer from low self-esteem.
 
I don't consider your post to be a "rant " but it is a little confusing.

Back in my room eating mango sticky rice noms as I wonder what to do until the night gogo bars start to open. Decide to write about my trip, years ago I learnt a lot of valuable info from this forum so hope this helps any newbies etc.
 
Also this is just a place for me to write abt my trip like a diary for future reading and enjoyment, and not meant to be like a super informative guide, but hope it helps!
 
Day 1
 
So landed in Suvarnabhumi Airport and the queue was terrible... almost 30 minutes for immigration. Took airport taxi which ran by meter to my trusted Le Meridiem Hotel on surawong road. About 280 baht + 75 for highway toll + 50 for airport fees. Ive been to bangkok at least 7-8 times since my very first trip in 2014.. typing all this on my phone so abit hard to link to my first trip report, but if ur keen u can click my username and see my threads, otherwise ill put a link when im back home.
 
Le meridiem hotel is my go to hotel, ive stayed here on all trips except once (didnt hv the dates i wanted) and i hv no complaints. No issues with bringing a friend overnight, good in room food service all day long, theres a small gym/pool area which is not bad with nice shower facilities (i use it when i have to checkout but staying in bangkok a few more hours till my flight), nice spacious room. Abit pricey though, but if within your budget, highly recommended.
 
Went off for a massage first at arena. Walked there from the hotel. It opens at 11.30am but went there about 1pm+. the mall its in looks very rundown with shops that appears to have closed down. But fret not, head to level 3 and you’ll find arena. Once in, about 20 shirtless guys were standing around and I had a hard time choosing. The selection of guys were more older, less twinky im fact 0 twinks, but more rugged kind of guys. Paid 600 for the room for 1 hour and headed up. Room was not very nice/looks abit dirty but it dosent matter to me. Chose a guy called Sam and had a good hard massage for about 45 mins before moving on to hugging/carressing/licking for a short while heh. gave 1500 in tips.
 
I would say arena dosent have the best facilities compared to senso/prince, abit dirtyish but good enough for me for a massage. Selection of guys compared to senso/prince i would say is more older rugged kind of feel, sweaty kind of vibe. But ive been here every trip and i would recommend it. Price of the rooms is the lowest.
 
I then headed to the prince. Took a long walk through the streets of silom, had a long tiring walk under the sun and was all sweaty.. nearly took a cab but i told myself how dare i, after all the decadence i was going to have, i had to work for it heh. Prince by far probably has the best facilities, but higher prince for the room. paid 1100 for 1.5hr room. The guys are behind a glass wall, gymming/playing pool, but will stand in a line once a customer comes in. Given a ice cold drink as well which was much needed. Selected a cuteish looking guy called Fem. guys here are more muscleish , theres young hunks & older as well. didnt rly see any twinky ones. Selection was hard cuz there were lots of hot muscle bois =) but eventually settled on Fem. found out that he was gay while chatting, probably explains why we were making out almost the whole time hee. Not much massage to be honest, went into the after massage bits fairly quickly, but oh well, not complaining. tipped 2000 and headed to senso =)
 
but i was hungry and decided to cab to silom to take a bite. actually just wanted to cool down abit, sun was rly hot, and headed to haagan daz to have an ice cream and air con.
 
Next walked to senso. Everytime i go to senso i have to walk past 1-2 times and then walk back again haha because senso is the most like exposed massage place, sometimes im too shy to enter straigt away. I remember my very first time, i walked past it back and forth at least 3-4 times before quickly entering. Its on a busy street and anyone can see u enter it. But after awhile i didnt care anymore haha and i just walked str in today. Senso has a mamasan as a host, had about 10 guys standing very close to you (1m away) all lined up, shirtless and sweaty from their gymming, and smiling at u oh boy.. but i quickly chose Tim, my go to senso boy. Had him at least 4-5 tims before and have no complaints. He does a hard massage, and sensual too. 1000 for the room, 1500 as tips. Senso has decent facilities, comparable to prince. Main difference between senso and prince i would say os that in senso, the boys are 1m from you without any glass wall. You can see them up close and sometimes a bit intimidating as well but fun i guess. In prince u can be sitting 5-10m away, although if u want u can definitely go up close and have a look. Quality of boys largely the same kind of muscleish jockish young guys.
 
Headed out and bought mango sticky rice from this lady just at the main silom road outside senso street, shes been there since 2014 at least when i first went to bkk, and i love her mango sticky rice!
 
Headed back to hotel and resting awhile before deciding which bar to go to tonight heh...
 
Am considering trying out a new massage place for fun, any suggestions? Ive always been to arena/senso/prince only on my past few trips for convenience (i always stay at le meridien), all walkable distance. I did went to the old hero, but not the new one.

Yes, I was replying to Terry.
 
And yes, I did attribute your comments regarding a 75 year old to Terry .
 
Sorry!

I eat out every night with my regular guy in Pattaya, and quite often with my "friend" in Bangkok. It's always just the two of us, although I have suggested they can invite some friends.
 
I always leave the choice of restaurant up to them. So far, neither has suggested any place remotely considered high dining. If they did, I'd have to go out and buy suitable attire, as shorts and Nikes just wouldn't cut it.
 
We tend to go to the same places -MK, Mango Tree or any Japanese restaurant in Bangkok, and Fuji, MK or any steak restaurant in Pattaya. Both take lots of photos of the food and post them on social media.
 
If my guy in Pattaya suggests Sizzler, I just hide my disappointment behind a smile and off we go.
 
Maybe they are intimidated by the thought of eating in a high-end restaurant. I've never asked them.
 
A number of years ago I met up with a German friend in Paris who had arranged to take me out for my birthday. He told me to dress nicely for the night.
 
We ended up in a very posh restaurant and to be honest, I felt a bit uncomfortable, as everything was totally over the top. Also, there were a lot of dishes I couldn't eat, (foie gras, anybody? Yuk!!) I would have been happier with a pizza!
 
So if they do feel intimidated, I can well understand why.

Noise at Jomtien can lead to nice events.
Last year after my assignment who did not want to stay long time left me at my room at Venue I went to bed but due to noise from Q Mark I couldn't sleep so went to that bar to see what racket is all about.
 
Waiter who brought me beer asked me if I sleep alone  tonight , I answered  ' no , with you ' and shortly we were marching back to my room,  noise or not.  

The entire staff call out "irasshaimase" (Welcome!) as you enter, the bar is absolutely spotless, the guys are incredibly polite, they bow and thank you when you ask them to sit with you, they shower you with compliments and pour your drink for you. And the waiters apologise for taking your money when you pay your bill!  
Lol

The entire staff call out "irasshaimase" (Welcome!) as you enter, the bar is absolutely spotless, the guys are incredibly polite, they bow and thank you when you ask them to sit with you, they shower you with compliments and pour your drink for you. And the waiters apologise for taking your money when you pay your bill!  
Lol