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Michael, I happen to disagree and agree with Joeblo's comments.
 
On the one hand, I resent the hell out of anybody telling me or anyone else how much I should tip, that I tip too much, or, worst of all, the really lame (my opinion) occasional comment on the boards that "you're ruining it for the rest of us!"  So, in my view, it's none of Joeblo's or anybody else's business as to how much you, me or anyone else tips. I probably tip more than average but that's because I choose to do it and it's nobody else's business.
 
On the other hand, I don't have a habit of dropping information about how much I paid for something, how much I tipped somebody, what 5-star hotel I stayed in, how many gabillion suitcases I have, etc., etc.  Your intent may be purely innocent but providing that kind of information oftentimes doesn't come across very well.  But, as they say, up to you.   

Rich people sleep in Conrad or Dusit Thani, poor ones in Niagara or Malaysia and as long as there are alternatives we all can have good vacations.
 
Wealthy people with their Rolexes are not screwing price of fakes in Patpong market, those are two separate markets.
 
How many of those complaining about high prices in soi Twilight are actually walking 10 minutes to take advantage of much cheaper alternatives in soi 6 where Golden Cock is?

Sounds like trolling question and probably was discussed here before  but I'm not a troll ,  curious only :
 
Do you tell your  family , friends, co-workers and neighbors  that you are vacationing in Thailand or rather you prefer to keep it private due  to country reputation as sex destination ?
 
Or you do not see any issue with that in your circles ?
 
To answer my own question  my first 8 trips were in connection with other destinations in the region with  Thailand as  a transit point so folks knew that I was in Burma, Cambodia etc and in between flights I spent few days in BKK.
 
Nobody dwelled on the issue and still I managed to have deserved reputation of somebody who knows Bangkok tourist  charms very  well. When asked about sex scene always claimed that while existing is well hidden and visible only to people who are looking for it which is true.
 
I had people on Silom asking me where famous Patpong is and I know straight guy regularly whoring in Nana Plaza who for years did not know about existence of soi Cowboy not that far away.
 
My last trip, the 9th of them all was entirely 2 weeks in Thailand  and I decided to keep it strictly in the closet as to not rise any eyebrows for two reasons - to avoid probing questions in relation to LOS reputation as sex heaven and to avoid jealousy as lots of people are equating exotic vacations with great expense not knowing actually how great value for money Thailand is.
 
You think I'm a bit paranoid or about right?

I wonder with how many bags ChristianPFC travels / i always have only one, no more than 11 kg / 

I really tried to sleep in the prayer room. The light was on all night (can't sleep with light), and even worse I got cold feet (had to take off my shoes), so I went somewhere else (low light, shoes on) to sit and doze.
 
(The Christian (name) - Christian (religion) was a pun, glad you got it.)

What we can say?  See what happens on July 30 and watch your wallet so it not opened by you heart but  by your head only.
 
It look at least that you know your position and where you are vulnerable so there's line of defense if need arises.
 
There's always possibility that he invited you to Korat and his family turned out not to be so enamored with that idea as he thought , hence prohibition  to go in order to save a face.
 
How to move relation to more selfish way ? We all know, you provide funds, boy ' takes care you'.
You find better boy , cut the funds, he finds better sponsor , cuts his presence.
Clear rules and still lots of fun and a passion can be had.
 
Stchastya zelaju ( I wish you good luck )

thank you for a good laugh !

Just be careful Christian, you may wake up circumcised.

Those who know I'm gay get the truth. Those who don't know I'm gay get the usual sightseeing, weather, food, temples...
 
It's interesting to see their reactions. People who have never been to Thailand and don't know that I'm gay have heard of the sex industry, one commented: "be careful, there are pretty ladies in Thailand" (original in German: Sei vorsichtig, da gibt's flotte Miezen).

One reason that firecat is a top poster is that he posts the positives and some of the complications active farangs
run into. Some of the best and the hottest in bed have learned they can get away with more from grateful , very
pleased customers.
Some of my favorites never stopped trying for more and it dissolves any fantasy that the
experience was mutually pleasurable and that it isn't only about the money.
Still, there are times when world class performance combined with an incredible body/face are worth paying a
premium. However, definitely not boyfriend material unless you can afford it.

That would only be asked by someone who travels little and stays in inexpensive hotels. I want to know how strong the WIFi and consistent. I want to know if room service is fairly priced and the food and service acceptable. I want to know if the walls are thin and I want to know what side of the Hotel might be best to have a room.
 
I want to know if the included breakfast is good and if not included how expensive it might be. And many other things that I can get by spending 10 minutes reading reviews.
 
Well worth my time!!!

100% agree , most of my trips were 5-7 days and last thing on my mind while in BKK during such a short time was to check difference in drink prices in soi Twilight bars.
 
I understand that those on longer vacations or residents need to be more careful with their budget but also have time to look for bargains. I know feeling of running out of money and having ATM rejecting my card to my horror. 
 
While somebody would call you crazy if  you spent quite reasonable amount just to have fun day or evening fully dressed ?
 
One of my November boys I offed second night in row was so tired / in the morning went straight from my room to day work / that felled asleep before his  head hit the pillow and I was left with sandbag sleeping like the stone.
It  tuned out  to be quite a fun night for me having his silky, warm but lifeless  body to cling to  and still tipped him his full previous night's  rate.  / no,  I did not abuse situation and left those parts undisturbed until morning / . I don't think it was crazy and still smile at that memories. I think I mentioned this story in my Off to Thailand thread.

don't worry , you made up for your perceived loss of face with all your prolific contributions on the boards and now in your blog.
 
I think most of us were at one point of time pissed off by the boy od choice , certainly I was, so you are not alone .
 
As we know availability of boys grows exponentially with thickness of wad of banknotes in our hand but as noted above it's better to go with somebody who kind of likes us instead of hoisting  ourselves upon them by money only.

@ChristianPFC, that makes sense, got it.
 
As for the "going rate" and such, I agree with those who say that for many tourists and business travelers it just isn't a lot of money. So paying more when they feel happy with the boy's attitude and "performance" should come quite naturally to them.
 
I don't usually off boys from bars, but when I hang out with a Thai friend whose job is somewhat less well paid than mine, quite often I spend about the same amount (1,500 to 2,000 baht) for just that, hanging out, no sex. Call me crazy, but it's usually a fun day.

I don't mind if boys are selective, in fact  I feel better if boy have a say to which customer he will go with.
This way if he goes with me I know it is on his will,  not being forced by mamasan or owner. Likely not much fun with boy dragged  by me by force against his better judgement even if only thing he will see in me is tip coming at end of session.
 
Did not have  such  ' forced ' case but on few occasions boy  hired for long time invented some story to  cut it to short time , I'd prefer  if he was up front rather than lying just to get an order and  ' than we will see '.
 
The same goes with tip - it's much better if  disagreement is clarified before an off instead of having a scene in the room after the deed with whole floor listening what is going on behind our door.
 
But I wholeheartedly agree with you and abang - know your limits and stick to them. If doesn't work there are other boys. Even after soi Twilight closes ScrewBoys is still open another hour, BBB In has somebody available round clock , not to mention GR etc.
 
Personally my  monetary  limit is  3000, would not pay more and never did. And this is for long time.Long time for me is when boy   is leaving  room in the morning with me, he is invited for breakfast and is up to him if he takes an invitation or not.
 
Non-monetary limit is when he asks for more money / usually for taxi / , never gets it from me and never will  be offed again even if is handsome like David and honey sweet.
This is why  I parted my ways with certain boy from Aqua  quite a few years ago, only boy I ever abandoned my butterfly mode for. 
 
To be fair to boys I need to say it hapend to me only three times over 9 trips so I usually defend boys if somebody accuses them for being greedy but as we said , limit is limit .
 
I don't blame them for trying to be more extractive, after all most of their clients are one time affair so they are trying their luck but also  they have to live with consequences
 
Alexx is correct about you not losing a face, you may feel pissed off by Scorpion boys but it is not the same

I don't think it's a stupid question. Let's not pretend nobody is doing it, these HIV rates we're seeing don't fall from the sky after all. Also, at least from my experience, the number of "boys" who would let you have your way, either way, boggles the mind.
 
So I'll bite: I wouldn't have bareback sex with "my boys" here in Bangkok, as long as having "boys" means that I'm having sex with many different guys I barely know. That would be incredibly risky, especially here and now, and while I won't pretend that I never did anything foolish, that's a long time ago and luckily I got away with it.

Is the nationality important? For the average tourist, no; for me, yes. If my Thai is better than the boy's English, I switch to Thai. Many foreign boys speak good Thai, and I can't hear where they come from, so I wouldn't notice.
 
But if I ask them to spell their name in Thai, or which province, and then which amphoe, they come from, I realize they are not Thai.
 
After one Vietnamese boy in a gogo bar in Soi Twilight who wanted 2000 Baht for short time three years ago, and the non-offable boy in Scorpion, I am wary of Vietnamese money boys (just bad luck that I had two out of two bad experiences with Vietnamese, no generalization; a friend offed boys from Scorpion and was happy with them; Cambodians and Lao everything was fine for me).
 
Walked past Scorpion yesterday, over ten boys, several good looking, but with Byzantine offing procedure and short time tips as high as 3000 Baht expected (second hand information), they completely lost me.
 
Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.
 
As far as I figured out (with help of friends), the boy who didn't want to go with me seems to be selective in choosing customers, doesn't want short time for 1500 Baht, rather someone who regularly sends money from abroad and buys mobile phone; and he has correctly assessed that I am not the one. This whole episode was a big loss of face for me (to speak in Thai terms; in English we would say they fooled me, or pulled my leg, or have shown total disrespect for me as a customer).
 
I can watch, but not touch? I can have that in my room, with free porn from internet!

Then there's of course the privacy issue that might be just as important as the size of the cloud storage account. Compared to trusting Dropbox or trusting Microsoft, sending my files to my favorite ladyboy gossip queen would probably be safer.

Back home after 27 hours.
 
Just a few general thoughts on BKK. It was nice to see it without tent cities, barricades , loud speakers etc and unruly crowds.
 
Don't pretend to really understand the politics but I understand how nice it was to have the Bangkok back that I always enjoy. Yes the traffic can be terrible but it truly is a great city irrespective of all the spectacular boys available.
 
I saw only 3 boys in the 6 days I was there . Two I had seen before and one new one. I had lots of opportunities on Gayromeo and Jack'd but frankly tired myself out in 23 days in Pattaya.
 
Anyways I'll be back in October and hopefully the members who promised me they would post on their trips will do so for all of us to enjoy!!

It may be an issue and is one of reasons on every trip I 'm changing hotels every 2-3 nights. Not that I care what people on verandas and  bar stools are thinking but at times boys were complaining about being tipped less that boy I had yesterday so obviously telegraph was working.
 
But for couple days stay any place in Boyztown is nice for me just to soak in the atmosphere. Not many places like that in the whole wide world.
 
It's actually very good that  people have different feeling about the same thing, keeps everybody busy and life colorful.

No need to plan, I went to Lopburi, Bueng Gan and Buriram and my contacts organized everything. I wouldn't even book a hotel, either you can stay with him or he will recommend a hotel close to his place. You should give some hints about sightseeing. Car rent should be about 1000 Baht per day (car and driver including petrol).
 
Never been to Korat (only travelling through), but all other trips, eiter alone or visiting friends, were success and welcome break from usual Bangkok/Pattaya.
 
Beware of different sleep-wake pattern (bring a book, in case you wake up at 9 and your friend sleeps until 12), and extended drinking/eating (not of much interest for me to sit for hours while others eat, drink and chat in Thai).

Underwater world, NongNooch Garden, Chinese museum / temple, Thai temple nearby, View point with Thai and Chinese temples
Massage shops in Boyztown and Jomtien Complex work during daytime; real massage as well (I mean, no happy ending)

While Christian is perfectly capable of defending himself I need to rise to his defense.
 
While he is not shy about advertising his frugal lifestyle which is his business and nothing wrong with that I can't recall any comment from him criticizing somebody else's  spending habits.
 
Is big difference if he  says " I'd never spent that much on  whatever"  to statement " everybody paying more than .... for whatever is insane" , never heard from him. So may be you have different Christian in mind?
 
But your point is valid as they were some pontificating about overtiping boys and thus spoiling market for others.
 
So I guess we can safely assume that  report you promised will materialize.

Subject of excessive tips and accusations of spoiling market for others never dries . 
 
In my opinion big tippers are spoiling sex  market no more than Starbucks clients paying 5$  for a coffee are spoiling coffee market for Coffee Time clients paying 1.50 $.
 
So I wouldn't  worry if somebody is throwing mud at you for paying too much , it's friendly way of telling you that sofa-bed you purchased for 1000 could be had for 500 if you tried harder and it's your decision which one will give you better sleep.

I'm glad I asked the question and feel much wiser now.
 
Coming from the culture when one is expected to show gratitude even if not really happy with what's received I was puzzled  on few occasion by lack of enthusiasm  from beneficiary boys  side, suspected it may be cultural thing and it seems I was right as per  pongs and Alexx inputs.
 
Got my further confirmation  watching Gthai movie part 2 "Massage Boys" this morning and there's scene when boy receives 6000 baht tip from rich Thai customer and also shows very  restrained reaction ,  smiling only after client left.
 
 / No  I never tipped that much , 3000 is being my absolute maximum for long time but on few occasion doubled requested or bargained tip and did it for a good reason IMHO/
 
I like Michel 's system and will start using it  from now on if need arises - here's your tip and here's your gift from me because you are an angel. Do not count on royalties from me though, Michael.
 
This is better than what I was doing so far as  my system could create unreasonable expectations, now I start understanding why one of my November boys out of blue  demanded 5000 for long time. I tipped his co-worker over the odds few times and possibly he thought  ' here's a sucker ', unfortunately for him to no avail.