Nasherich

900 seems a very good price to me. I suspect it doesn't include tolls. Mr Yo quoted me 1400 inclusive last time

Can I add my thanks too to DivineMadman- a very useful summary which I will use on my forthcoming trip. As mentioned above, Prime is a place I go to for a serious oil massage, so don't discount it as a Thai massage place only. I haven't been offered, or sought, extras there, despite being obviously aroused just through the sheer act of massage rather than any specific 'play'

I've never felt unsafe in Pattaya and feel quite happy to use the public songthaew. As to the breakfasts at Agate, they have significantly reduced the offering from when it first opened. I wasn't especially impressed the last time I went (September). Baan Souy is great, and I've never found the location a problem (given the frequency of the songthaew), but always found it very expensive for anything other than very short stays.

I second that. I thought the show in Bangkok was outstanding.

Another plead for you to go and see a doctor now. If there's no evidence in your new bed, you must have something that needs treatment - and probably quite straightforward treatment too. Don't wait another day.

Ok sorry Vinapu, completely missed the joke!

Not necessarily. You might be paid for doing nothing in retirement, but if he has worked (which he states) then he must have paid taxes which fund his state pension, and even if his work pension was non-contributory, it will have formed part of his remuneration. Nothing is free in this life Vinapu!

You're not getting pension for nothing. You've paid contributions and tax.

But obviously if you're doing good deeds for the sole purpose of earning credits, you want to make sure those credits are getting recorded (which was the point I was responding to). However, I agree with your sentiment: do good anyway and treat others as you would want them to treat you.

The concept of Divine Accountancy had never occurred to me before. I suppose it's possible that credits could be added to individual souls as you go along (like a prepaid card) thus doing away with a central register

The Agate fully booked? In October? I've rarely seen it more than 20% full in high season.

Invariably if the person wants to chat endlessly on line, I assume it's fake and move on. After all, time is precious and I'm not looking for pen friends I have sometimes taken a peek on apps before visiting the country but my experience is that chatting a long time often leads to an anti-climax of one sort or another

Really enjoyed reading your trip reports Vinapu. And thanks for mentioning Bank of Thailand museum, something I had overlooked but will add to my next visit.

True but I haven't heard it being recommended!

I never seem to experience jet lag at all flying East, but going home it seems to be getting progressively worse. As to sleeping alone when in Thailand, I prefer to alternate nights alone and nights accompanied. I don't consider it a waste as usually i will have had some fun during the day anyway and it's enough for me. Each to their own and their own sex drive I guess!

I stayed at Zing for a few nights last year instead of the Agate, purely for cost reasons. I found it poor and neglected and decided it was worth spending more to stay at the Agate.

I passed by Blue House a number of times recently but never saw anyone sitting outside and the doors were always closed. Were they sitting outside when you went there? There used to be someone called Kai there who was fantastic but I'm not sure whether he left when they closed it for a refit a year or so ago. Anyone know?

Sounds the perfect massage to me too!

Hi ay709394, the jacuzzi area is tucked away and it's pretty dark in there. I have been in there with around 15 guys before (smaller number on this occasion). Once your eyes get accustomed to the low level of light, you can certainly witness others engaging in various sexual activity. A HJ appears to be a standard offering at Babylon massage.

Day 9 My last full day in Pattaya was spent relaxing round the pool. My off from Day 7 was messaging me seeking a second helping, but I had hopes of meeting the guy from last night again. When I took a different boy who I've been friends with for nearly three years now (just friends) to La Baguette as a kind of goodbye treat, I received a message from the day 7 off saying he'd seen me with someone else... I found this somewhat annoying; an off for one evening is just that surely? I don't really expect to have my movements tracked. Later on, my new guy from last night messaged me asking if I wanted to meet him again. A definite yes from me, so we met early on at the hotel for fun, and followed it with dinner and a movie at central Festival. It's a shame I have to leave tomorrow but perhaps it's best not to entertain thoughts of having another boyfriend potentially and just keep in touch and see what happens until my next visit here. So out of my 9 days here, I've had some mixed experiences, but the best of them not involving any money (at least not directly). Now on to Bangkok. Day 10 & 11 I thought I'd try a different hotel to usual, the Furama as it has a nice swimming pool on the roof. It's also near Arena which I had plans to visit for the first time. I booked for two people and said on check-in that my companion would be joining me later. I did this in the event that I found someone to stay overnight as I don't know what the joiner policy is there. Arena did not disappoint. I arrived around 3.30pm and there were some 25 to 30 guys in the reception area, all nicely defined chests. Scanning the line up, I decided to go for the most enthusiastic. I was slightly short-changed on time, but the massage was good and the afters really couldn't be better. He really threw himself into making me have a good experience. The following day I transferred to the Malaysia Hotel until it was time to go the airport. They're gradually upgrading this place; currently the restaurant is being refurbished but food is still being served outside. I like to finish my trips with time at Babylon. I spent an hour or so round the pool swimming, and then headed into the jacuzzi. Some action there as usual, and got sucked nicely by a youngish Thai guy. I then headed for a 90 minute massage. It's expensive but I've never had a bad experience here, and this masseur was great. Very sensual and erotic but a proper massage. I tipped him generously as business seemed light today and it really was very good I returned to my locker and picked up a dry towel and went for a shower before heading back to the hotel. Coming out of the shower room, a truly stunning guy (who I initially thought was Cambodian) caught my eye and then he gently grabbed my arm as I walked past him. I began to say I'm about to leave but his invitation to join him in the Garden of Earthly Delights was too tempting. Without doubt, to join him was the best decision I made on this holiday. All in all we spent just under an hour kissing, cuddling, sucking and fucking each other. It could not have been a better ending to my holiday. So, duly spent, I returned to the hotel, grabbed a quick meal, and headed to the airport. I know some members think I've wasted time on the apps, but in truth I've had some great sex on this holiday and wouldn't have wanted more (maybe my libido is lower than others' here!). Thailand never disappoints me. And I will be back later in the year. I hope you've enjoyed reading my accounts as much as I enjoy reading those of other people.

Day 7 & 8 I finally returned to the Blue Angel massage, after a bit of flirting by the guys when I exited the hotel. I selected the masseur using the 'most smiling boy' method. I can only describe the massage as frenetic and alarming, and I'm sure if it hadn't have been for the gallons of excess oil lubricating my poor body, I could well have spontaneously combusted. Personally I like a massage to be sensual and teasing throughout; this was nothing like, despite my suggestions. Towards the end, the 'masseur' removed his clothes. He was at least well endowed in the cock department if not massage skills. However, my fight for survival meant I didn't feel especially horny by this point. I did manage to make him cum all over my chest but didn't achieve the same goal myself. As with all massage places, it so depends on who you get or choose. I tipped him a reasonable amount, and he asked how his massage was. I decided to give him some pointers for next time in the gentlest way possible. Hopefully someone else will benefit. I then connected with a guy from gay Romeo who turned out to be from one of the Jomtien bars in the Venue soi. Tall and reasonably built, I went to pay him a visit and buy him a drink. A short while later, off fees duly paid, we were back at the Agate for a night of fun; I say fun but I have to admit the shape and girth of his cock was quite something to accommodate. He didn't make it down to breakfast (we had already discussed the possibility that I would go alone if he didn't wake up in time) but when I returned we had a very satisfying round 2. Nice guy but I don't think I'll off him again. Later in the day, having enjoyed an oil massage at TBMI, I received a message from a guy on Hornet offering a massage. Certainly our exchanges looked good, and his pics did too, so I invited him over to the hotel. He exceeded expectations in every department. Massage was one of the best, sex afterwards was good and we chatted quite a lot in both Thai and English. I suggested we go and have some food together which was gladly accepted and we had a very enjoyable evening and night together. I'm only sorry it has taken eight days to meet the guy as I'd certainly like to get to know him better. I received several messages from my off from the previous night asking where I was etc and inviting me to come to his bar again. I politely declined.

Ha, well I have come to the conclusion that there's no such thing as free sex (and I'm more than happy to contribute towards the Thai economy). What I am trying to say is that maybe deep down I'm looking for something - don't laugh - a little more meaningful than a transaction in a bar

Boy69, it wasn't that the boy wasn't my type (just not quite as attractive as his pics). The hygiene issues weren't immediately apparent so we were already in the room. I guess I find confrontation difficult! Reader, perhaps for the same reason above, I like the ability to do selection online. I have sat in bars, sitting with a boy I have bought a drink for (as don't like sitting alone), only to find another boy far more attractive (maybe at the same bar or one opposite). I find it difficult to dump one for the other! Now I realise it's a business, but these guys are human and have feelings. That's my issue. Thoughts and tips welcome.

Day 5 & 6 I was only half in the mood on day 5, and it seemed the same for many others too as I wasted a lot of time chatting on apps with no actual result. So nothing to report. The next day, however, I contacted a guy on Hornet who looked promising, and within 10 minutes he was in the hotel reception. I wasn't originally sure it was him as the photos were somewhat flattering, shall I say, but anyway I led him through reception. It turned out he was a waiter at a good restaurant I had turned up at with the guy from day 2 (but all tables outside were full). He recognised me from that evening. In the room, it became apparent his personal hygiene could be better. I really didn't want to kiss someone with breath like that. Although he did go to the bathroom first and clean his nether regions, he could have been more throrough with cleaning his cock too. So that was two activities down already. Not being sure whether to call it a day (which seemed a bit harsh), I thought I would make the best of it. He seemed really interested in my armpits so I let him play with them a bit. Then I did a bit of sensual touch which did not seem to get much reaction. He just lay there motionless so I thought he might have gone to sleep. Not wishing to waste too much energy, I stopped to see what would happen. After a few minutes, by which time I had almost nodded off myself, he asked me if I was ok. "Yes I'm fine", I lied, and then he actually moved and started to suck my cock. It was all teeth and all I could think about was writing this poor experience up in my diary for everyone. I did get hard despite the difficult circumstances, but I knew without intimacy it wasn't really going to work. So I decided to wank him off so at least he would have enjoyed it. This fortunately didn't take long, and I sent him on his way after about 20 mins or so. I did my best to be as polite and friendly as possible, because I think everyone should be treated with respect, but also because I will want to go to restaurant again at some point and don't want any awkwardness! I am beginning to think paying is the best option... But then things look up. A line message from a guy who's free today. I agree to meet him for coffee in Jomtien centre and it's not long before we're both in bed together enjoying quite an enthusiastic time. I wasn't sure if he was going to stay the night - as it happens I wouldn't have minded- but at around midnight he decided he was hungry and would go out for food and go home afterwards. I had to accompany him to reception anyway to retrieve his ID card so decided to go for a quick drink. The onset of rain made it impossible to leave the bar for the next couple of hours... Oh well, there's worse places to be stuck!

Day 3 & 4 In the morning, I fielded many messages on gay Romeo and eventually selected a good looking guy and invited him to have dinner with me. He turned up on time to the hotel and then we walked together to the restaurant. The second identical mistake of my trip: this guy was also a smoker. I think I just got confused with all the messages going back and forth and missed asking this question again. He was pleasant and considerate enough to smoke downwind of the fan. His English was good and he was reasonably well educated. He seemed desperate to prolong the evening before going back to the hotel with three bars visited, so I began to think he was trying to extricate himself of having to be amorous later. I was almost prepared to say goodbye and end the evening there and then but eventually we went back to the hotel together. Thereupon further prevarication: two cigarettes on the balcony, more chat, "shall we watch something on the TV?" etc. Then finally after showers, we got into bed together. Then a load of cock-teasing and cock-deflating crap whereupon he said I was clearly too tired to perform! At this point, mentally I decided to mark it up to experience and gave up. He slept very well (snored constantly) and I was awake somewhat frustrated for most of the night. In the morning, my alarm went off for breakfast. I had already decided food was preferable to more playing around with this guy and said he could join me if he wanted to (which he did). When we got back to the room, he suddenly became amorous and what followed was some of best sex I recall having. So why all the farting around the previous evening I shall never know. He left around noon, asking if we could repeat everything tonight. I didn't have the heart to give him a direct answer so left it that I would message him when I had worked out my day. In the afternoon, I popped back to Somjit Massage outside Tukcom. Of course, the guy I had espied previously was nowhere to be seen (a lesson I am learning is one should always strike when the iron is hot). Nonetheless I was in the mood and selected another guy for an hour's oil massage. As it goes, it was a reasonable massage and got interesting when he was massaging my arms and I found my hand resting on a very nice hard appendage in his pants. This had a similar effect on me, and shortly afterwards he was naked and throwing himself in to the session with wild abandon. The guy from last night messaged me saying he was bored. I didn't take up the bait and just sympathised. For one thing. I need to rejuvenate myself with a good night's sleep!