Nasherich

I have just retired and for the last few years was preparing to live permanently in Thailand. I've spent a lot of time and money learning the language and visited several times a year and many different places. But towards the end of the relationship with my Thai boyfriend, I suddenly "woke up" and evaluated what is most important to me. I decided that the stimulation of living in London with all it has to offer (in common with other cities) in the areas of music, art, theatre etc was key, together with other activities I partake in, and that I would miss those things too much. I might think about it again in 10 to 20 years and I will certainly visit Thailand regularly in the UK winter months as it has a place in my heart, but at this stage I decided against a permanent move.

So true!

That's Prince surely?

Well said!

Having been a fan of the Agate for a couple of years, I returned earlier this year to Baan Souy and consider it to be better all round than the Agate (poolside rooms, all day restaurant). It's more expensive, but personally I think it worth it. Zing I stayed at a year ago and found it very run down.

The guys change at this shop regularly. The first experience I had was actually a foot massage. They don't have chairs so they take you upstairs and you lie down. The leg portion of the massage got me very excited and soon the curtains were drawn and both of us ended up naked and the rest you can imagine. The second experience was that I was approached for a full body massage by a cute guy just outside the shop but a switch was made inside to someone much less attractive once I was already naked on the table. A real turn off and I didn't have the guts to protest. I would know better next time to state my ground as the customer and ensure the guy I wanted did the massage. We all live and learn!

I think I encountered the same mammasan in Good Boys. He wanted me to buy him a drink, and as he had played no part in my enjoyment I just refused and ignored him. He didn't bother me after that.

I also find jet lag affects me only on the return. It takes me about a week to recover. But going, no problem at all other than I have to set an alarm to wake up in the morning otherwise I'd sleep for the most of the day.

I've never worn underwear at TBMI and always had my buttocks massaged. I usually do get hard but towels are discretely moved around.

No happy endings? That's not my experience there

It's certainly gay friendly but the balance of clientele has changed, with more Russian and Chinese families. So there's no issue of bringing boys back and treating them to breakfast. But you might get "looks" from the other guests which may or not matter to you.

I arrived in Pattaya around 8am in the morning and Baan Souy was kind enough to allow me to shower and sleep for a little in an empty room whilst mine was being prepared. It's a couple of years since I've stayed here, with the Agate being my usual haunt of late, mainly for cost reasons, but for quality of service and facilities, I think Baan Souy wins hands down. (The Agate has changed somewhat in nature too, with guests appearing to be less comfortable with the gay scene so I don't think I'll stay there again.) After a shower, sleep and breakfast, I went off for some chiropody, coffee and finally a two hour oil massage at TBMI. Suitably relaxed, I checked on activity on Grindr and Hornet. Plenty going on but I've got quite a harsh filtering mechanism, so things don't get out of hand. Grindr was quickly dispensed with due to the lack of notifications unless you either pay or have the app (on Android) open all the time - this renders it useless in my opinion. Hornet, however, works well and is free. Within 15 minutes, I had arranged for a visit from a local Thai guy, and 15 minutes after that he was in my room. Very cute, I must say. A little sucking and he was hard as a rock but sadly it needed constant attention to remain so. Perhaps he was nervous? I did my best to put him at ease but it was clear he wasn't going to be able to do very much with it. Nonetheless, he was very much into ancillary activities and we both enjoyed each others company and and a happy conclusion was achieved. A 7/10 for effort and overall satisfaction and value for no money. Later I visited Sunee plaza. Not a lot going on, with many bars closed (even more than usual) because of Songkran. I was enticed to join a Lao guy at Eden bar for a drink. Not really my type, but he was very hands on and affectionate and eager to chat. I popped into Winner boys but only three guys on stage so I decided to go back to Jomtien for the rest of the evening instead. I sat with a Cambodian guy and we chatted at some length . I considered offing but decided against it at the end as I was still tired from lack of sleep on the flight coming over. After returning to the hotel, he messaged me on Line to see if I felt like company. A nice gesture but I declined gracefully. The next morning I spent swimming and relaxing, and then retired to my room for a siesta. Going through some Hornet messages from the previous day I came across an offer of a BJ (not a money boy, apparently) and another less specific suggestion from another guy who seemed super cute. I made contact with the second to start with. He was based in Jomtien complex but despite knowing where my hotel is, seemed unwilling to travel that far without me accompanying him. It all seemed too ridiculous to me and I lost interest. And so I decided it was rude not to accept the offer from BJ man. And so 30 minutes later, I was joined by the guy, slightly older and fatter than the flattering photos suggested but hey I'm not complaining. Once I'd calmed him down and encouraged him to take things slow, he was very accomplished - an 8/10 from me. Just as he was leaving, he mentioned he had left his wallet behind and could I give him some money. He needed 160B. Very reasonable. I thought, and so parted with 200B, an absolute bargain! Day 3 I felt I would like a massage, a proper massage, and if something transpired, all to the good. I tried the place in Second Road called Supreme Massage. An hour and a half of a very good massage, but not a hint of anything else. So not disappointed but not surprised either! An evening visit to QM found myself sharing drink and conversation with a fairly newly arrived Thai lad from Udon Thani - very handsome. All was good but I felt something not quite right in the digestion department so I decided to make tracks back to the hotel, alone. Fortunately it developed into nothing serious so an opportunity wasted. Day 4 I decided to take up the offer of a free massage and fun from a Hornet guy. With very little effort, he arranged to come to the hotel and turned up on time. Again slightly more overweight than expected. He declined a shower even though he was a bit sweaty but he was clean and smelt quite fresh. The massage wasn't bad, a bit short perhaps which could not be said of his cock - a very well proportioned thick member. His skin was incredibly cold to the touch. Nonetheless the sex part of our meeting was very good. He showered before leaving, and I asked him if he would like me to pay for the massage oil. Not at all, he replied, so another excellent free encounter. Later on, I ventured into Fah Massage, initially only for a foot massage. But as time wore on, I was persuaded to have an oil massage following it. My usual guy isn't there at the moment, but I was mightily impressed by the replacement. Truly sensuous and enthusiastic in all things. So my 100% success rate at Fah remains unbroken. I walked round to QM bar and found the guy I spoke to last night. Not believing that I could sustain a round 3 on the same day, an arrangement was made for him to visit me at Baan Souy the following day and we would go to the cinema in the evening. Things are looking promising! The next day QM boy contacted me and asked if he could bring his close friend - they had both only been in Pattaya for a few weeks. I couldn't see any reason why not, so they both turned up and enjoyed the delights of Baan Souy's swimming pool and restaurant. The friend quickly struck up an alliance with another guest leaving original QM boy to me. So everyone was happy. The evening trip to the cinema and an Isaan restaurant went well and so did activities in the bedroom later. The only slight disappointment was the presence of a mook but I'm not going to let that spoil things. He decided not to stay overnight, I think because his friend only did short time too and they seem to have a close affinity. I guess they'll work out later that they might have to choose their own paths to earn the best money. The following day I invited them both over again. And this time, he told me he wanted to stay over. We enjoyed the day together and then he went home late afternoon to change and re-sculpt his hair before returning in the evening. On arrival, he tells me a friend has arrived unexpectedly from Bangkok so it starts to not be clear how things will pan out. We go to the outside eating area near Kiss Jomtien and have the grilled fish (always fresh and delicious), followed by a walk along the beach, ice cream at Surf Kitchen and finally return to QM. No sign of the friend so we sit and have a drink. Still no sign but he wants to wait so I opt to go for a foot massage. He seems very keen to know where I'm going as he doesn't want me to "boom boom". Kind of sounds he's still interested. An hour or so later I return, but still no friend, so we leave together and return to the hotel. We get into bed but he seems somewhat disinterested and then tells me he'll be leaving at 4am to go and help a relative set up their market stall, which he does every day apparently. This has never been mentioned before and certainly doesn't match my description of staying the night - I do like morning sex. I tell him if that's the case, he should leave now as otherwise he'll wake me in the early hours. He doesn't seem too happy with the suggestion but I'm not in a mood to be messed around. Perhaps with the thought of a lesser (or even no fee), he then decides he had better perform before he goes. We have sex, not the best, partly because I'm midly irritated, but hey. He then leaves with a short time fee. I think I might draw a line under this developing relationship and move on! So the next day, I got back to a guy on Hornet and invited him over on a stormy day. Very cute guy, spoiled only by smoker's breath which curtailed my desire for kissing. Nonetheless very enthusiastic and showed me a position to fuck him I've not tried before (to be fair, I've had a sheltered life). Upon leaving, it turns out he needed help with the rent, but if I helped him today, I could have a repeat session tomorrow for free! I took pity on his rent situation but I don't think I'll take up the free offer on account of the smoking. The following day I was contemplating a massage as the weather was rain, rain, rain all day. Although my preferred place for a proper massage is the TBMI in Jomtien, I thought I'd go somewhere else for a change. I strolled past the various shops around Tukcom but the boredom on the faces of the guys wasn't conducive to my custom. Royal House, which I haven't been to for a couple of years, looked deserted. So I went back to second road and opted for 90 minutes at Chivarome. A very good massage it has to be said, with the offer of happy ending, which I declined as there was no build up to it so I wasn't really in the mood. Walking down the road to the beach/ top of Walking Street, I noticed a shop near the corner of second road with some cute massage guys outside so I might try that before I leave. There's also a couple of guys at a smaller shop opposite Sea Massage who always flirt when I go past so I might give I've them a go in the interests of research of course. Having showered and rested, I went out for a drink and went past a bar I don't normally bother with. I spied a Thai guy who I felt quite attracted to (quite a bit older than he looked at 38 apparently) so I stopped, bought some drinks and chatted with him in a mixture of Thai and English for a couple of hours. After the bar closed, we went back to my hotel. A slightly rougher session than I was expecting ensued, with some boundaries constantly being tested and resisted (sex without condom, for instance) but full marks for enthusiasm, technique and pleasure. He left after we were both satiated. I didn't offer any money nor was any asked for. The following day the guy I "drew the line under" earlier contacted me again. It was his last day in Pattaya before I leave as he's going back to see his family. I decided to treat him to another cinema visit, and he came back to my room after food having made clear this time he couldn't stay for breakfast. I valued him being upfront. He does seem a genuinely nice guy, perhaps a little naive but then he's relatively new to the scene here. We had a nice time until around 2am when he left. I was quite glad as it turns out, because my stomach took a turn for the worse. So the latter part of the night and first half of the following day were concentrated on dealing with that! I'd hate to have someone around in the room! Sadly my adventures dried up here for a bit as it took three days and some antibiotics to clear up the food poisoning completely - unprecedented in my personal experience - including one of my two nights in Bangkok. Although I wasn't unable to do anything, I just did not feel well or confident enough to enjoy the more pleasurable activities. It's a shame because the guy I really like at Art Massage next to the hotel was free and an oil massage with him would have been awesome. My last day in Bangkok saw my health improve, so after one night at the excellent Raya Surawong, I decamped to the Malaysia hotel for the afternoon and evening before my late night flight. Instead of heading to Babylon as usual, I decided on a change and went to Sanctuary by A as it has had favourable reviews here of late. They're not wrong! It's a lovely place, with beautiful rooms and showers and some very handsome masseurs. The only unfortunate thing was that there is some renovation going on next door so the piece and tranquility was spoilt by loud nasal sounding power tools. We swapped rooms before the massage started, but sadly the workers decided to move around too. It really was annoying and I found it had a detrimental effect on my response to the massage. That was first class by the way. Around three quarters of the way through, the workers had a tea break or went home - hooray. My masseur indulged in some very sensuous body to body which had me going in no time. Absolutely full marks to him and I add my recommendations to those of others on this forum. Just maybe wait a couple of days until the builders have left if that sort of noise irritates you. And so my trip ends. Despite a downturn in the weather and an annoying bout of food poisoning, it's been another highly pleasurable trip with some first class encounters and so I return home a happy man!

Things also change fast. The number of times I pass a massage shop and spot someone attractive but have no time at that point, then return later or the next day and find no trace! I'm just ending another visit to Pattaya (trip report to follow). This time I wasn't especially drawn to anyone at Chivarome, although I did pay one visit. As to what I look for? I don't go for skinny guys or heavily muscled, but somewhere in between - lightly defined body - but most importantly, a handsome face that lights up when they smile. A boy fitting that description who makes an effort to flirt with me is most likely to get my attention.

You are quite right... It's 7th Heaven, same shop!

Glad you had a good experience at Best massage. My own session was one of the real low points of my last trip. I guess it all boils down to who you get.

I think the key is making your intentions clear. If all the boys know you are butterflying, then there's no dilemma. But if they think you are exclusively seeing them, then it's problematic. My experience is that despite the commercial arrangements, many boys would jump at the chance of having a farang boyfriend so not to be clear about the situation could cause an upset.

Well it'll be interesting to see if it's the same shop after all but either way I'm glad it worked out for you!

No it was definitely just called Heaven. I'm out there again next month and I'll give a better idea of location.

Beautifully written report - I really enjoyed reading it and it's given me some inspiration to follow in your footsteps!

I think Heaven massage has been there a while. With so many massage shops none of them exactly stand out so it would certainly have been possible to miss.

I too have suffered based on the perception of my wealth as measured on holiday spend. They don't get that a holiday budget is only that and not replicated for the rest of the year!

Went to the The Best Massage today (Silom plaza). I think the place is badly named - absolutely soulless experience with a "masseur" who used just one hand for most of it (and not in a good way). As a trained masseur myself, some of the stuff he tried to do could actually cause injury. Zero out of 10 from me, I'm afraid. Cannot recommend at all.

The idea of setting out a clear timetable ( massage-shower-sex) would not work for me. I like the massage to act as foreplay and building up the erotic charge. The shower in the middle would destroy everything.

Massage Chivaroma, one of the male massage shops in Second Road near Boyztown has some quite cute guys outside. I had a number of very good treatments there only one of which was an oil massage with straight forward HE but nothing to write home about regarding the afters. Also on second road near Boyztown, I walked past Heaven massage one evening and was accosted by a male masseur. He seduced me into a session (always a good start I find); a great massage and a very good happy ending with both of us naked. Afterwards he gave me his contact details but I didn't follow up as ordinarily he wouldn't have been my type. But the prize of best experience goes to Fah Massage in Jomtien. I find most of the guys here pretty attractive but one in particular always took the time to come and give me hug went I walked past. Eventually I succumbed to his charms and I really wish I'd done so earlier! The combination of real massage skill combined with sensuality; the second time was even better, with me on the edge almost from the start. A really beautiful sensual and sexual experience. I could almost be falling in love (certainly lust) with this guy! I do have his contact details and we are in touch but I'm wary of starting anything after my last experience. It's often said on this board that if you want love in Thailand, better to rent and sadly I think that's probably true. I didn't try what I think is called Soda Massage. Some interesting guys for sure but their location is slightly awkward in that you can't really walk past and have a discreet look without ending up with the hard sell. Blue Angel seem to have pretty well given up. Only one or two guys outside normally and sometimes none at all. Apps A boy contacted me on grindr. Claimed to have a certificate in massage and offered to come and help me get to sleep. Seemed an unmissable opportunity so half an hour later, he was knocking on my door. His massage was indeed really good. A full hour passed before things got more intimate which ended up with him topping me in a variety of different positions - a really nice intense and pleasurable experience. He seemed happy with 1000b and went on his way, leaving me to enjoy one of the best night's sleep this break. Another 22 year old guy contacted me on grindr. Said he wasn't a money boy but needed help with the rent. I invited him over and what he lacked in stature, he made up in enthusiasm and vigour. An excellent BJ I have to say and lots of kissing and cuddling. Well worth 1000b. A few other timewasters, plus a guy who wouldn't travel to me (and I'm wary of that) and a guy I had a good time with on my last visit who I somehow managed to piss off by not contacting him the moment I arrived. We never seemed to recover from that position despite my best endeavours. Worst experience was a guy who I met once on my last visit and to whom I sent some money I could afford to lose to help with rent. Thereafter I have had plea after plea which I refused. I did meet him again this time, fed him, took him to the cinema, back to my room whereupon he made no effort whatsoever. After 30 mins. I decided to cut my losses and sent him on his way with the motorcy money. The next three days he sent message after message saying he was being evicted and needed money. So many deserving cases in this world but I don't feel he is one. Bars I popped into Niceboys a couple of times. I did find it all a bit sad to be honest. I'd feel more comfortable if they looked like they were enjoying it - perhaps that's too much to ask. But I did call down a couple of guys, brought them drinks, chatted to them in a mixture of Thai and English, tipped them and sent them back. Just not my kind of place I guess but each to his own. I sat in Rainbow Bar (also Sunee) and found one of the bar guys pretty hot. I was leaving early on a trip the next morning so didn't off him, but gave him my number and asked if he worked there every day, which he said he did. I made three return visits and he was nowhere to be seen and no contact made. Always necessary to strike while the iron is hot in Thailand I find. Sitting in Rainbow gives you a good view of Winner opposite. Quite regularly some of the guys come outside for a cigarette. They need to eat more for my liking, but most of the ones I saw clearly worked out regularly. I didn't visit the bar based on what I saw outside (albeit only the smokers) but the drink prices are amazingly low. The Jomtien bars have previously been my favourite haunts but not on this occasion. I walked through several times and struggled to find anyone I'd be interested in which is not the case on previous visits. In Boy Gaga one of the quieter bars, I bought one of the guys a drink but he didn't bother to sit with me and preferred to chat with his friends. Not my idea of a host bar. They badly need to get some new guys as the previous good ones seem to have moved on. Bamboo Bar puzzles me. I don't see any desire on behalf of the staff to encourage customers. I tried it out one evening and was again left on my own for 20 minutes before one of the guys came and spoke to me. He was new. The others couldn't have really cared less. Eating I've generally had good food at Kiss (both branches, although the staff are very miserable at the Pattaya one), Pan Pan, Mai's kitchen, Wooden box, the fish stall outside Kiss in Jomtien, the Sketch Arts Café and Sandbar. Although this isn't a culinary forum, I'd be interested in other tips for eating too. Again, I've had a great time here overall. Hope I've given some useful info on some of the less obvious HE massage venues. I'd certainly be interested in others' experiences.

Just seen it was 9000 you were quoted. Well yes for that I'd expect a helicopter