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depending on the skin thickness or level of self-esteem first one can easily be treated as second  one.

It is worth while checking if your credit card provides travel insurance as an added benefit.  Or else get an annual policy.  The annual ones are not expensive at all.  From the UK you can get ones that cover you for losses, delays and medical (15million GBP) for around 20 pounds.

Too bad some care about yours,  including me,  if only to remind you that you forgot your usual invectives like 'laughable",  " ridiculous" /post 59 / and 'idiotic ' /post 63 / but my guess would be your A/C malfunctioned or something.
 
My biggest Thai scam is this thread which was supposed to be enjoyable and entertaining but it turned anything but. I read last 5 pages in one go today and it was least pleasant experience I had on this forum  since joining in 3 years ago.

we will ask somebody to bring you a better chair and something to eat

Why would anyone want to contribute when they will have to take an attack from you? Your post don't encourage posts. They do the opposite.

You do also tend to like to have the last word

It's up to the masseur.  Some do use condoms, some do not.  If no condom is important to you then mention that to the manager when you are selecting your masseur.  (It would be wrong to pressure or tell a masseur you do not want him to use a condom - it's his health at risk.)

Don't forget that when you make the trip the best way to say thanks is to post the things you learn

Don't forget that when you make the trip the best way to say thanks is to post the things you learn

If the guy had amazing rock hard pecs, that's the Nuk I was recommending

carpentry - it is said Eve made Adam's tool stand

Enjoy reading each installment and find the writing well crafted.
 
Major question (at the moment) is when do you find time to do the writing?

I think many of us enjoy reading your report and I don't think anyone is trying to be unkind when suggesting your tips were on the frugal side.  I guess these transactions are a grey area.   Of course none of us wants to throw money around in a stupid way, but sometimes considering the relatively small saving, it might be more noble to err on the side of generosity.
 
But I have to weigh in with all of the other voices in saying I'm enjoying what you're sharing.  

I think many of us enjoy reading your report and I don't think anyone is trying to be unkind when suggesting your tips were on the frugal side.  I guess these transactions are a grey area.   Of course none of us wants to throw money around in a stupid way, but sometimes considering the relatively small saving, it might be more noble to err on the side of generosity.
 
But I have to weigh in with all of the other voices in saying I'm enjoying what you're sharing.  

his name is Art and he actually can give you very good massage as well, speaking from personal experience. 

That's the deal.  Your input then helps others In terms of Arena the manager is a young guy and is very helpful.  Let me recommend Nuk for your first

It's really great when board members can pass on advice like this even if it is subjective.  We maybe forget how daunting it was to visit one of these places for the first time, so I'm sure the info is of massive help to newbies as well as those who just want to get the max out of their precious time in Bangkok.

It's really great when board members can pass on advice like this even if it is subjective.  We maybe forget how daunting it was to visit one of these places for the first time, so I'm sure the info is of massive help to newbies as well as those who just want to get the max out of their precious time in Bangkok.

It's really great when board members can pass on advice like this even if it is subjective.  We maybe forget how daunting it was to visit one of these places for the first time, so I'm sure the info is of massive help to newbies as well as those who just want to get the max out of their precious time in Bangkok.

My entirely subjective thoughts:
 
Shop with the most guys:  Prince, V Club 7 and Arena.   After these three, the soi twilight shops would probably be next.  [Regarding Prince:  I have never seen or heard a Chinese or other woman running the shop, I do have some facility with Thai and I have never heard any inappropriate chatter about how much someone will tip and I have never had any of the guys so much as make a peep about my giving them anything more than the stated "minimum" tip.  In fact I've found the guys at Prince as professional as anywhere.  One credible thing that has been reported about Prince is that some of the masseurs don't want to cum with a customer so they can go back into the rotation and hope for another customer right away.  The guys do like to go back into the lineup as soon as possible.  Personally not a big deal for me.]
 
Best rooms:  Of the big three, definitely Prince.  The regular rooms at Prince are not particularly large, but clean.  Arena and V Club are a bit run down.  Prince does have large VIP rooms, if that's your thing.  For me the most substantial negative about the regular rooms at Prince is that the mat/bed is not particularly wide and is against one wall.  Arena has massage tables.  V Club has large beds/mats on the floor with plenty of room.  (Honorable mention should go to King Spa, S 52 and Leo.  All are in townhouses with spacious rooms that are well maintained, although one of the rooms at Leo only has the shower in the hall.  Body Club has huge rooms, but I can't tell if they are decorated in industrial chic or shabby-chic.)
 
Hottest Twinks:  Very subjective here.  The Soi Twilight shops would be the best for lineup selection.  Banana Club has a decent number but I find the guys at Banana Club just not attractive.  If you're willing to work from photos and go a bit further afield, consider King or Common BKK.  Boy Club Spa in Ladphrao looks like it might specialize in twinks but I have never been.
 
Hottest Muscle Guys:   In the same way that twinks can for some mean waifs and others just trim 22 year olds with swimmer builds, I think muscle guys might mean Tawan types or guys who go to the gym to good effect with, for example, awesome pecs.  I don't think any shop will reliably have a lot of body-builder competition guys, but the big three will all have guys who have some muscles on them and lift weights, and I think Prince and V Club try to get guys that are perceived of as "model good looks" to the mainstream.  
 
Best Massage:   Of the big three, I think Prince and Arena are probably a tie -- so much depends on the particular masseur. But the massages are good.  V Club is a fuck shop -- the massage is just to help you relax for the main tip-earning event.  For me, Baan Taewa has the best massage (all guys Wat Pho trained), with Body Club running close behind and Leo also excellent.  (It looks like the guys at Body Club have opened another shop called "Peak").   Urban Male I always forget - pretty good++ massage and the smallish lineup invariably includes some twinkler types, so I suppose it should be mentioned too.

Day 11.5: If you think of happiness, think Tawan
 
Captain comes back and hands me my drink. He then sits down with me and says that the boys think you look familiar. I tell him sure, I’ve been here a number of times before so they recognize me. He says no, I look familiar because I look like a Tawan guy who used to work there named “Siam”. I laugh, and ask him if that’s true. He says yes. Siam is back in Issan, and the boys find it funny that I look like him. I am uncertain if this is good or not.
 
Captain then asks me what I wanted tonight. I tell him I wanted to off someone, that’s why I am early at the bar. Maybe too early, I tell him. He says yes, usually on a Monday night punters get there close to 10-10:30 PM. He says almost all the boys showing up tonight are here so I have my pick. He then tells me that they boys are only tops and no bottoms. I think I’ve talked to him before about this, and he needs to reiterate this to me. I said no problem, I just want to off a boy to admire him, and do other things.
 
Tawan is actually the first gogo bar in Thailand I’ve ever visited. Back in 2014, having discovered the Gaythailand forum by chance and reading about other people’s experiences, I decided to give it a go during a work visit to Asia. The first visit was only 3 nights, and my first bar was Tawan. From what I’ve been reading, the bar is legendary. The thought of super muscular Thai guys in tight speedos available to be had for a short time for a fraction of what I would pay back home was super appealing. The relative anonymity of doing it in another country added to the thrill. I thought it be fun to try just once, offing a muscular guy, see what it’s like, and once that itch has been scratched I’ll move on. Little did I know it would lead to 9 more trips to Thailand, and offing more boys.
 
My first off was in Tawan, and it was Phet, one of the cute younger boys in Tawan. Not as big as the average muscle guy in Tawan, I was attracted to his youth (Looks like early 20s), looks (super pretty boy), and style (sexy spiky hair, leather jacket and boots). The sex was ok, nothing to write home about, but it did lead me to the path to find the perfect off. To this day I've never offed anyone of the muscle gods in Tawan, it would always be the smaller boys that I off: Tiger, Bos?, and more recently Boy. I always think, one day, I’ll off one of the giant guys, but I never do. Till tonight.
 
I ask the Captain what does #17 do in bed? Captain says he is a very nice boy. He can kiss, suck and be sweet. Sounds great to me. Since I remember from other posters that he is one of the stars in Tawan I immediately think he may be diva-ish, and expensive. I think about it and call him over. He makes his way to me and then the boys all laugh again and whistle. He sits next to me and gives me a kiss on the cheek.
 
Since Tong, #17, is widely known here, here is a link to a pic of him:
 
http://hotasianman.blogspot.com/2013/10/nathakorn-apsuwan.html
 
I ask Tong, why are they laughing? He says that I look like Siam, and it’s weird that a Siam look alike will be his customer for the night. I tell him I hope that’s good news for me. He says it is fine. He thinks it’s going to be a good night for me, he said. He introduces himself as Tong, asks for my name and where home is (You look Chinese!). I ask him how old he is. He asks me back, how old do you think I am? I say maybe 26. He laughs and flashes that giant smile (cute braces), and says no, he is 30. I then say that he has the biggest muscles in the room. I ask why so big? He says he takes part in bodybuilding competitions, and was Mr. Thailand one time. I congratulate him on his achievements by touching his big bicep (as one does when in Tawan).
 
I am quite surprised how easy he is to talk to. He is all smiling, laughing, touchy feely, fairly accomodating. I feel his body and it is a quite a spectacle. I feel his biceps and it bigger than most Pattaya boy’s waists. I feel his chest and he bounces them up and down. His thighs are the epitome of “trunk-like”. His skin is very smooth, a dark brown. I look back up to his face and it is still smiling. A classic Thai face. He reveals some braces. He says he’s had them for 3 years now and only needs 3 more months before they can be taken off. He is wearing barely there speedos that show some bush when he sits down. Quite a visual from a mountain of a man.
 
He then asks what I like doing when I off boys. I explain to him that normally I look for all the bottoms in a bar and choose from there. I say it’s rare for me to off tops because I feel that they just lay there. I tell him that if I will off someone in Tawan, no fucking is necessary, but the kissing, touching, feeling and connection should be there. He says it is no problem, he thinks he can take care of me. I ask how much, he says 2500 baht short time. But he also can massage me before to get in the mood. I was expecting something more expensive and feel that this is cheap for a Tawan star that is as charming as him. I tell him to get some clothes on so I can take him home. He tells me give him 10 minutes because he wanted to eat something that the bar is serving. I tell him no problem I will just finish my drink.
 
Captain sees that Tong is not by my side, I tell him I offed him. 400 for drink and 500 for off fee. No mention at all of getting drink for Tong. I like Tawan’s no pressure vibe. The captain is helpful when he needs to be, no upsells, no pressure. I look over to the lonely farang nursing his beer. I hope he gets out of his shell and offs someone soon, or at least talks to someone. I feel that he needs some encouragement. Captain sees me looking at farang and decides to chat him up. I hope captain helps him.
 
Tong appears in a loose fitting tshirt and pants. His pecs perk straight up, and his giant ass fills out the seat of his pants. Impressive that he is wear loose fitting clothing but his pecs and ass are so big, they are super tight in his clothes. He puts his arm around my shoulder as we head out on Soi Tantawan towards Silom Rd. He is very chatty, telling me about Isaan and his poor father and how his money also goes to his family in Isaan. He says he does not go to the bar everyday, only when he feels like it and needs the money. Sometimes he goes back to Isaan and spends some time there with his family. He has a t-shirt business going on now, where he prints knock-offs of designer brands and sells them to Thais on Facebook. He hopes that one day his business takes off. He says he doesn’t mind working at the bar but he would prefer to not be there if he can afford it.
 
He then asks me about why I go to Bangkok. I tell him about how often I go, hotels I stay at, working in Hong Kong, my wish to buy a condo in BKK and maybe Pattaya. He is quite interested in my ramblings, and asks follow-up questions that make it sound like he is interested. Sometimes he puts his arm around my waist, my shoulder, kisses my back. He is pretty good.
 
We get to the room and we sit on the couch. We talk some more while I admire (touch) his body. We talk about Bangkok and Isaan. About Tawan and gogo boy life. He tries to tell me a word that he does not know in English. I whip out Google Translate in my iPhone. He does not know how to use it. I help him, he says his word and gets translated in English to “seduction”. He then asks about the app. What is that app? I say Google Translate. It’s funny that he has not used this app before. His English is good enough, sure, but still needs some help sometimes, at least when talking to me. Maybe with other customers he is not needed to talk much?
 
I tell him I was going to Pattaya for a few days starting tomorrow to visit my tailor. He perks up, asks how I was going to get there. I tell him about PT Taxi and how I use them all the time to get me to and from Pattaya. He asks me to cancel it. He owns a car and offers to drive me there and stay with me the whole time I am in Pattaya. I am surprised, ask him are you sure? Sleep in my bed all the time? He says sure, enjoy me. Go out and get dinner and such? Sure. I tell him I intended on offing some boys there, he says no problem, he can leave the room when I am with them and come back after. Or he can join, my choice. I find this very tempting. I am surprised he’d offer to do this. I don’t want to ask him how much this is all gonna cost me, because I feel it is a lot, so as to not spoil the mood. We haven’t even done the deed yet, I don’t know if we are compatible in bed yet.
 
I take off his shirt. Play around with his magnificent torso for a while, while talking about a lot of things. I kiss him, get up and take a shower. I get out of the shower and he is reclining in the couch, trying to work the TV. I help him to operate it, instead he takes off everything and heads to the shower. Magnificent body. He doesn’t take long and he heads over to the bedroom as I follow him there.
 
He asks if we can watch some movie on TV. I say what? That’s not too sexy. He says no, it’s just for the massage part. He turns it off when the sex happens. I agree to this and it actually works out. I lay on my front and he massages my back, shoulders, thighs and feet. He puts his ample weight on my body and it feels great. I didn’t mind the TV because I was being lulled to sleep by his massage. He flips me over and works on my chest and arms.
 
He then turns the TV off and works on my penis. He gets it hard then promptly puts his ass on top of my dick, simulating dry humping. He makes seductive noises, I jack him off. He ample presence is very impressive. Him grinding on my dick is a positive. Perhaps this is acknowledgement of me being a top? He grinds my dick some more and soon he is also hard. He lays down beside me and we kiss and generate excellent body contact. I put his dick in my mouth and give him pleasure like this. I lightly finger him, his ass is like a trap. It is just so big. Lots of body contact, admiring his body, kissing his face, eyes, mouth. I try to embrace him, his massive presence can’t be contained by the full length of my arms around him.
 
He asks if I wanted to be sucked. I said yes. Condom OK? I say I don’t know, I don’t like getting sucked through a condom. He takes a condom from his bag, puts it on my dick, and then sucks. And sucks. And continues to suck. Is he enjoying this? I wonder. He’s doing a great job. He offers his dick and we 69. This is awesome. I am taken to near orgasm numerous times before he stops just in time. He asks if I wanted to cum, I say sure. He jacks me off expertly till I cum. He puts my condomed dick in his mouth one last time and I collapse.
 
I get rid of the condom, we cuddle in bed. He turns the TV back on. He is OK with my exploring touches. He drifts to sleep at times. I just enjoy the moment. I barely notice the movie playing (The Hunger Games dubbed in Thai). After 45 minutes of cuddling he stands up and starts putting clothes back on. He asks for my phone and keys in his number, and tells me to call him if I wanted him to drive me Pattaya. I tell him that I do not want to cancel on PT Taxi, but still wanted to see him. I tell him to come the day before I leave Pattaya and we can hangout and have fun and go to a gogo bar, and the next day he can drive me back. I ask how much, he says for everything its 5000 baht plus the price of gas. I think about it: I get to spend time with him, sleep on the same bed, go out have a nice time, maybe tag team a boy, and then he drives me back to BKK. He has to drive the two hours to get to Pattaya and then again to drive me back. PT Taxi is 1100 baht one way to get me back to BKK. And I don’t get to hold their driver’s hand or give him kisses on the drive. For driving and longtime services I’d say this is a reasonable price. We discuss dates and times for Pattaya.
 
I give him his 2500 baht short time. We kiss and I escort him down to be able to leave the condo. I go back to my room, thinking that first impressions really aren’t reality. I thought that was going to be an expensive diva, it turns out he is a really nice guy just trying to earn a few more bucks. I need to figure out a way to have Mr. Thailand drive me around somehow to or from Pattaya and still get some new boys to play with in Pattaya. My mind explodes thinking about all the possibilities. I love Thailand.

from bars I'd second BoyzBoyzBoyz may have some. ToyBoys, Abomb did not have anybody matching description last Jun but had in the past so worth checking , particularly ABomb.
 
You may see somebody you like in XBoys as well although no guarantee.
 
Best bet will be massage places - all three in Boyztown and Royal House beside TukCom.
 
One of Copa masseurs in June would give most Tawan boys run for their money so you can hope he will be still there when you will be. In such a case you are fixed for length of your trip.
 
Unfortunalely I was shackled with    Tawan boy I took with me to Pattaya so other than checking his concrete hard 6 pack I did not manage to get into closer inspection but he looked very impressive

Always amazed at how it becomes about someone's right to post. 
 
I never said it wasn't ok to post, just suggesting that it maybe isn't the best place to get the info and maybe not a great use of this forum.  Just an opinion. Not that I don't like the topic, just a practical thing. 
 
But 8 replies and no suggestions on where to get a chair re-done should also be a strong hint. 
 
I would imagine bars get stuff like that done all the time, so might be worth checking for word of mouth suggestions.  Although I don't doubt that many here have lots of experience with leather

There are some well built and muscled boys who work at Boyz Boyz Boyz some, though not all are younger but perhaps more defined than many of the excelent boys at Tawan bar, check out their "Sexy boy show" where there is a lot of flexing and many of the guys then return to the stage after the show and are definitely "offable" In addition you might find the more muscled but again not huge type of boy in Toy Boys and A Bomb - though well worth exploring the other bars as they can all sudenly produce the odd boy well into his weights and fitness or bodybuilding!
Have fun!

Few and far between I think but Vinapu will have a better answer I am sure.