Department_Of_Agriculture

Sunee Plaza began to die when the police finally began to get serious about cracking down on underaged boys in the bars and those who used to hang around that area, generally. No, not all the bars in Sunee offered underaged boys and not everyone who went there was into that sort of thing but Sunee was a hotbed of that kind of thing. Once the police started cracking down in earnest, the gaps started showing very quickly. As the lights went out for good in some bars and as many "Sunee fans" stopped coming, the place lost momentum. Good riddance. Sunee was a shit hole and far cry from what Boyztown or Soi Twilight were.
It is sad that on another forum, which now largely consists of the owner speaking to himself, that period is still described as the good old days, with a little nudge and wink.

Prime does a very good massage service and it is completely legitimate. Rooms are comfortable with mattresses on the floor and the loos are clean. Most of their masseurs are male and you will usually be assigned a male masseur by default.
I have to say though that the quality of massage is not what it was before the pandemic. They have many new masseurs working there who don't have the experience of those who left. All masseurs are well-trained though and it is not the kind of place where you should expect anything to happen - although one fat, old sex pest on here groped the guy who was giving him a massage and then boasted about it on this forum. That's just bad form. Those guys are professionally trained and choose to work in Prime precisely because they aren't interested in being groped by desperate geriatrics. Don't be that guy.
Tommy / Tami (depending on who is pronouncing his name) is one of their best masseurs. Ask for him by name if you want an excellent Thai massage. On top of the published cost of the massage, there is also a minimum tip for a masseur of 100 baht. Do treat that as an absolute minimum. A good massage should get at least double that.

The inability to delete one's own posts within the editing time window has always struck me as odd. Unnecessary work for mods and it would probably result in fewer pointless arguments as things that have been impulsively posted could be removed without a trace.

Sunee Plaza began to die when the police finally began to get serious about cracking down on underaged boys in the bars and those who used to hang around that area, generally. No, not all the bars in Sunee offered underaged boys and not everyone who went there was into that sort of thing but Sunee was a hotbed of that kind of thing. Once the police started cracking down in earnest, the gaps started showing very quickly. As the lights went out for good in some bars and as many "Sunee fans" stopped coming, the place lost momentum. Good riddance. Sunee was a shit hole and far cry from what Boyztown or Soi Twilight were.
It is sad that on another forum, which now largely consists of the owner speaking to himself, that period is still described as the good old days, with a little nudge and wink.

Sunee Plaza began to die when the police finally began to get serious about cracking down on underaged boys in the bars and those who used to hang around that area, generally. No, not all the bars in Sunee offered underaged boys and not everyone who went there was into that sort of thing but Sunee was a hotbed of that kind of thing. Once the police started cracking down in earnest, the gaps started showing very quickly. As the lights went out for good in some bars and as many "Sunee fans" stopped coming, the place lost momentum. Good riddance. Sunee was a shit hole and far cry from what Boyztown or Soi Twilight were.
It is sad that on another forum, which now largely consists of the owner speaking to himself, that period is still described as the good old days, with a little nudge and wink.

Yes, the scene at Phahoon started to die once the bloated, pasty, wrinkled, hairy old farang started showing-up. It is very much a Thai for Thai scene there and the bloated old hairballs were the last thing the Thais wanted. Many of them simply stopped coming ( please avoid the urge to attempt a tired pun ).
Conversely, the reported decline of the Phahon scene has dissuaded the pasty old hairballs from trekking "all the way" there, which has encouraged the Thais to return. I wonder if your post will lead to a second decline for it...

Sunee Plaza began to die when the police finally began to get serious about cracking down on underaged boys in the bars and those who used to hang around that area, generally. No, not all the bars in Sunee offered underaged boys and not everyone who went there was into that sort of thing but Sunee was a hotbed of that kind of thing. Once the police started cracking down in earnest, the gaps started showing very quickly. As the lights went out for good in some bars and as many "Sunee fans" stopped coming, the place lost momentum. Good riddance. Sunee was a shit hole and far cry from what Boyztown or Soi Twilight were.
It is sad that on another forum, which now largely consists of the owner speaking to himself, that period is still described as the good old days, with a little nudge and wink.

Yes, the scene at Phahoon started to die once the bloated, pasty, wrinkled, hairy old farang started showing-up. It is very much a Thai for Thai scene there and the bloated old hairballs were the last thing the Thais wanted. Many of them simply stopped coming ( please avoid the urge to attempt a tired pun ).
Conversely, the reported decline of the Phahon scene has dissuaded the pasty old hairballs from trekking "all the way" there, which has encouraged the Thais to return. I wonder if your post will lead to a second decline for it...

Yes, the scene at Phahoon started to die once the bloated, pasty, wrinkled, hairy old farang started showing-up. It is very much a Thai for Thai scene there and the bloated old hairballs were the last thing the Thais wanted. Many of them simply stopped coming ( please avoid the urge to attempt a tired pun ).
Conversely, the reported decline of the Phahon scene has dissuaded the pasty old hairballs from trekking "all the way" there, which has encouraged the Thais to return. I wonder if your post will lead to a second decline for it...

For those of you (us) who fret over the demise of "the gay scene", now you know the answer There is a cohort of visitors who are willing to splash money around as if they are in Kirk Straat or Berlin, paying 5x or more the going rate, and creating the illusion among venue owners and staff that there is another flight arriving tonight with a plane full of overspenders. The OP's post felt as ludicrous to me as would be a post from a first time visitor to Amsterdam offering the trade 30 euros.
Be generous, be kind, be human but this kind of outrageous extravagance strikes me as both pretentious and boastful. And this comes from one who lights his cigarettes with 100 euro notes. Not.

Oh dear, your trip report has made me, as an old-timer, feel somewhat guilty. Why? I'll come to that later.
But thank you for an honest and insightful report. All of us make mistakes or have bad days, even old-timers who have even more reason to slap ourselves when we foul up. We should have known better! we say to ourselves.
What you've unknowingly pointed out - and it is of value - is that whereas most of us write about our experiences in Thailand with regular forum members in mind as the readership, we may be forgetting that there are newcomers such as yourself, who are drawing information from our posts in planning for their first trip. Thus the guilt. I can totally understand that lurking will be the preferred method pre-visit since a newcomer has little to add to the discussions. But lurking means invisibility, and so the regulars in this forum don't realise the effect our posts may have on newbies making their plans.
So, for the benefit of potential newbies, allow me  to make a few observations that may help:
1. If you're going to travel all the way to Thailand, and money isn't a serious impediment, plan for a longer visit rather than overpay for services because you're short of time. Hotel, food and local transport costs are relatively cheap in Thailand. Giving yourself the luxury of extra time takes away the pressure of getting things right at first try. It allows a longer learning curve, and therefore a better chance of getting a number of good sessions even if you hit a few duds along the way.
2. Be self-aware and extremely careful when you are the "visual" type. (see the thread https://www.gayguides.com/forums/topic/40355-the-different-erotic-things-we-look-for/#comment-368148 for explanation), i.e. you're the type that chooses your partners based almost exclusively on looks. Looks do not correlate with service quality. If anything, boys who are aware that they are above-average in looks may be below average in service quality; it is the not-so-nice-looking guys who know they have to work harder for their keep. See also point #6 below.
3. The rise of Line-based advertising, where the massage places send out pictures of their boys by the bundles may have increased the vulnerability of buyers who are visual, because then you're relying (exclusively) on looks (photos). When I use Line with the massage places, I tend to do it in a slightly different way. I first tell them what time I want my appointment and what I prefer of the boy service-wise. Then I ask them for a shortlist of boys who fit my criteria. Most places with decent customer service will send back about 4 - 6 pictures to choose from. Those places which do not reply with a shortlist I quickly ignore - it indicates they have no idea what their boys can or cannot do or they are not interested in ensuring a fit between customer and client.
4. As you noticed very quickly, paying triple or quadruple the going rate does not get you triple or quadruple the satisfaction. In fact, it only makes you a target for the unscrupulous. My advice to newbies is: Steel yourself to resist overcharging. Walk away. Of course this is easier if you have time on your side which is why my point #1 above is important.
5. Old-timers like me write about places pretty distant from the city centre. Newbies should stick to the Silom-Surawong area, at least for the first 4 - 5 days. There are plenty of attractions within that area alone to keep you busy. And plenty of hotel options, so you don't have to travel by taxi or Grab and get stuck in traffic. Save the more distant places for your second visit. See map of gay ghetto: https://shamelessmacktwo.travel.blog/2023/12/07/map-of-silom-surawong-area-december-2023/. Tip for those wanting muscly masseurs: Go (walk) to Arena Massage. You don't have to go all the way to Sabaidee or Jey Spa.
6. Especially if you're a very visual person, the gogo bars may serve you better than the massage parlours. Firstly, you see the boys in the flesh (though in some bars they are more covered up with sweatpants and T-shirts nowadays compared to 10 years ago) and you can take your time in making a choice. Secondly, for the price of a boydrink (and perhaps a thank-you-but-not-tonight tip of 100 baht) you get a chance to engage in a bit of conversation with a shortlisted boy. You can assess his language skills and personality, and very often too, get a sense of whether he really wants to go with you. Boys are not as desperate for customers as we may imagine (I know of boys who say they will not go with a certain type of customer.) Do not be put off by oldtimers like us moaning about ever-increasing costs at the gogo bars 😂 The bars still give reasonable value. However, never admit to the mamasans that it's your first time in Thailand; once they get their claws into you, they won't let go!
 

This is rich!
You admit that you might have been wrong or lost track of posts. 🍷
And now you think you can limit discussion here to only those members you prefer? 🤣🤡🤣

Thanks for trying to backpedal now!
This is an epic fail on your part for drawing this out so long without properly quoting.  🚳
You're now admitting that you do NOT know how to properly quote two different people in the same post. 
So your attempt at humor AND a put-down was as clear as mud -- then as well as now! 🤣

Exactly right! 
Those who complain about "high" service fees in third-world countries are perfect examples of stereotypically privleged, spoiled sex tourists. They'll try to bargain instead of pay what amounts to "chump change" in their home cities.

Boo, I posted my comment in direct response to the chronic complainer and know-it-all @Department_Of_Agriculture , who posted a lengthy comment ore than 24 hours ago. He had chastised you for paying too much! And you reacted to his post in the same way I did! 😎

Just as I thought. You added the word "anymore," which is a marker in English for a specific verb tense.
And, as I've told you, it is NOT the tense that I used in the post that bothered you so much. 😘
This is not going well for you!  🤡

Yes, for you! You've now got your panties on backwards, upside down, and slightly soiled now. 😘
You didn't seem to understand the wording of my very clear post. So you added "Anymore" with an asterisk, which misrepresents what I said. And yeah, please don't deny that the * Anymore referred to me. It was pretty obvious in the context of the back-and-forth in the thread. 
Fourth-Grade English Lesson
"Anymore" means "no longer," and that's pretty much the opposite of what I described in my post about my visits to Thailand.
I know you still won't understand, but that's okay. You got it wrong.  

Tell the truth now -- with your suggestion for an additional t-shirt logo (with an asterisk!), you were actually quoting and replying to @vinapu , who wrote, "they should have t-shirts with such statement printed."
And @vinapu was responding to MY own comment about what I do and don't do in Thailand. Peter had absolutely nothing to do with it.  🤣🤣🤣
See how confused you get when you don't read a thread carefully? 🥰
 

There is a tonne of fun to be had in Khao San. It isn't just backpackers. You actually get a fair number of Thai students there in search of cheap booze and bright lights. Plus, watching la comédie humaine is always amusing. As far as a gay bar in Khao San goes, does one really need a gay bar to have fun or find an encounter in Thailand?

The inability to delete one's own posts within the editing time window has always struck me as odd. Unnecessary work for mods and it would probably result in fewer pointless arguments as things that have been impulsively posted could be removed without a trace.

Phew! I was going to write my congressman.
I am struggling enough with conversions and calculations for hookers, my investigation into other commodities is thankfully over. 🙃

I agree Peter's tend to post hypocrite posts or controversial nonsense off the topic.

The inability to delete one's own posts within the editing time window has always struck me as odd. Unnecessary work for mods and it would probably result in fewer pointless arguments as things that have been impulsively posted could be removed without a trace.

You could always try a nursing home instead. Might have luck with your peer group.

The inability to delete one's own posts within the editing time window has always struck me as odd. Unnecessary work for mods and it would probably result in fewer pointless arguments as things that have been impulsively posted could be removed without a trace.