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Till 31/1/17: free entry to such places, if owned by state of Thailand, Does NOT apply to national PARKs (nature), these continue the very unbalanced higher farang-fees. Newsppr explicitly said, it was both for Thai and farang.
F.e. in BKK National Barges museum, Royal Elefant museum, historic parks (ruins-often neatly renovated) in Ayuttaya and Sukhothai, etc. Afraid that good old Pattaya has nothing in this respect to offer.
(source: forum thaivisa and khaosodenglish).

@ Hero-incarnation. Check TMB-pricelist, its called MY hero (sorry for that), and adress is like 65 sukh. 11-which may in Thai effectively mean soi 11 or 65-up to you. Forgot if their was a tel-nr for asking. If you still stay there, a walk in soi 11 would not be overly far to check both nrs, I guess (no idea what the old nr of Hero used to be). But there is as of now not yet the usual TMB link to prices, map, boys on stage etc.
Actually Super Hero had a ditto small ad some weeks ago and this disappeared without the big site coming up. As a kind of routine I check that site every week or so for news. In the distant past they used to mail all updates, but thats long gone. However, to see pix of boys you now often have to log in properly.
(plan to move over again to  by then hopefully rains-free TH in a week or 2 for winter/cold season, but do not really aim to check that out-hate that soi).

Hi MIke, hanks for your reports-make more of them!
@ Hero: you've probably read about SuperHero in faraway samRong (just beyond final stop Baring on BTS+long walk), apparently set up by an outgrown former Hero ''therapist''. Rather basic/Thai style with small staff-unclear if still in bisnis.
Now on the TMB site is a new Adv for NEW HERO- stating an adress in (again) Sukh/soi 11, but not yuet open. Just wait and see, or pray and hope?
There was also report that either captain or maybe again some former Hero-worker has taken over the former MAR(s)/renamed Club 61 in Sukh.soi 61-BTS Ekamai-opposite. Dont know about what is true of it. Perhaps it suits dear old vinapu better to explore when he's bnack in town, but maybe you can also get adventurous enough to try out.
On Prince: earlier reports are that the (Chinese lady) captain/''mamasan''  was only after money+more money and made loud bets (in clear Thai-apparently she never thought of any farang understanding that) with the boys on stage about how much the tip would be. Thats enough for me to never go there.

Hi MIke, hanks for your reports-make more of them!
@ Hero: you've probably read about SuperHero in faraway samRong (just beyond final stop Baring on BTS+long walk), apparently set up by an outgrown former Hero ''therapist''. Rather basic/Thai style with small staff-unclear if still in bisnis.
Now on the TMB site is a new Adv for NEW HERO- stating an adress in (again) Sukh/soi 11, but not yuet open. Just wait and see, or pray and hope?
There was also report that either captain or maybe again some former Hero-worker has taken over the former MAR(s)/renamed Club 61 in Sukh.soi 61-BTS Ekamai-opposite. Dont know about what is true of it. Perhaps it suits dear old vinapu better to explore when he's bnack in town, but maybe you can also get adventurous enough to try out.
On Prince: earlier reports are that the (Chinese lady) captain/''mamasan''  was only after money+more money and made loud bets (in clear Thai-apparently she never thought of any farang understanding that) with the boys on stage about how much the tip would be. Thats enough for me to never go there.

Well, at well we thus can deduct that the recent try-outs of the new Thai junta-aka as govmt, did not stop this bar-visit trade. For those not understanding: a week or 2 ago they shut down quite a few tourist-bisnis, incl a tourbuscomp. with some 4/500 coaches (thus capapcity x50 seats each), who were dealing in ''0 baht tours''=in CHIna you pay nothing, but you are fleeced by being shepherded all day into special shops/tours/hotels/restaurants-etc. Biggest menace was most likely their clever tax-avoidance in TH, Chinese being chinese after all, or nah?

Have been tehre once-but long time ago, when it was still trading as MAR(s), with the owner in CHiang Mai. Nothing special, but quite OK. Too far out for me.
Since then it has changed hands and name as ''club 61'' as it is located in that soi. Lots of construction work of flashy new condo's-I assume these are mostly finished now.
On TGA I noted that these 2 places were listed to share the same adress and wondered if it was deliberate (maybe one sits on floor 1 and the other on floor 2-nothing is impossible in TH).
Cannot say if this perhaps is the new venue where HERO lies his eyes on-from what I remember its far smaller.
NOte there is also Thaimassageboy.com, which did list mar+club 61 long ago, untill they got their own www. It very recently listed that SUPERHero in far out workmen-suburban area of sam Rong-Vinapu has made it there with some other ones in tow. It turned out that a clever and through age outgrown former Hero worker had set up this basic, of not a bit shabby place. Same thing happened with the old Body Club (Sukh soi that lives on in unmarked premises in soi 101 or so (see TGA -it recently got listed).
Frankly: I cannot really understand all those questions of ''how is it''- unless it really has something very outstanding special all such places are like 13 in the dozen and it all remains like a lotteree who you get and how it works out.
Even though I myself tend to completely avoid places were visit 1 was quite bad, even this makes not much sense (unless it was aimed theft or the like). Christian even goes back once to check if it was by chance or not, I dont.
THus somehow my mind makes me also think this might be intended free publicity/promotion, as GM promotes GM. But thats after having to read millions of pages and all the same questions in travel-fora etc, like TA, due to work in the travel industry.

you were before me, saw this too, but I kind of recall BEST was/used to be somewhere near soi 4/Silom and has vacated there a month or so ago (vaguely remember another report about this-forgotten where). Probably dear Christian knows more.
Anyway- advertisers on TMB generally offer more as just plain msg-as you most likely know. But I would dread it if this involves that wheeling/dealing/bargaining one encounters in non-professional places.
HIS has also had yet another name in that old location (is it still visible as such?-must by now be at least 5 yrs ago) and was known for its freeweheeling tuktukdrivers doing double jobs.

Passing by in Germany a few days ago and if I have to wait I go-old fashioned-style, to look and read for free in the station magazine bookshop. Well in Germany they still have an amazing wide variety of gay mags on sale and display (only non/soft por there), incl one named Spartacus (remember that name??) abouty gay travels. My country does not has any left in old-style print.
There weas an article on our beloved Thailand, which of course brought hardly any news except this (nor can I remember it having seen/read in any forums):
TROPout PHuket will be repeated in nov. coming, looks similar to that songkran-time BKK festival, mostly attracting Singy's and other ASEANs in the hippest of new fashion and stylish outdo's. Site tropout.com, but gives no exact dates. Also on New Hebrides (you know where that is without googling?) spring '17 and again Phuket nov '17, if you have to plan long time before. Site: tropout.com
It also mentions sunday-afternoon meets at a Hotel either named (V?)WXYZ in Sukhumvit soi 11, apparently close by the demolished former BED spaceshp (with that Banana massageshop from Calvin round the corner-moved since)- does anyone has any info about this, has been or knows its already gone down the drains?
As for going out: no-brainer, you guess: DJ and GOD

as for BKK-we had that very same Q not very long ago-maybe on one other of the 3 fora. I would not call Saranrom ''cruising'' as its only MBs to pick up there. Cruising means (for me) meeting a like minded guy also out for something to happen in mutual understanding+agreement. That can-sparsely-happen anywhere/anytime, at least in BKk but pretty much anywhere in TH-but it eats excessive long time, you never know when it will happen etc. so for the visitor with limited time nothing to go after.
Indeed-those apps/sites, well known have mostly taken over it all. Even around the well known Boysgate/Suriwong/Ram IV area the MBs have simply disappeared a few yrs ago alltogether. And yes-just as at bars-it also hit or miss or pot-luck what you find and what they will do-or not-or how they look like along Saranrom.
Untill roughly about 1 yr ago there was also a thriving nite-market not too far from Saranrom-along the same canal, which drew hundreds of people-it also sold naughty things, incl Poh-DVD-s (20 bt each- I have a few of belAmi rom there) and kinky underwear. Where as indeed most Thai customers get there by taxi or car, walkers are certainly not unheard of and there is always taxi/tuk waiting to speed the happy new couple away to some love-HTL. You may also try out the work-out gym-area IN the park-closes at 21.00, just before-mostly Chinese guys. The rumour mill has it that as month ends, before pay-date, the boys on offer are more.
IF you really are dedicated into that, preferably LIVE in BKK long time and know the city and its customs, then try that other forum so named: cfs, Thailand in SEA.

@ diff. between TH/western guys:
Have not had that many western guys and what i had was not much inviting to further following this path.
Comparing figures, and just restricting to the BKk m2m massageshops, which are essentially only male brothels in some thin disguise:
there are far, far more (in BKK around 40/50) of them as in any major western city-most will have an average total staff of maybe 20/25, but on most quiet weekdays maybe only 5 or so work/wait for customers
But what makes them most attractive to me: at least in the aimed at TH places, they learn their trade, have to follow short courses/training (weekly or monthly or so, among them from an older and very experienced masseur) all aimed to please you. And most of them will do, and can nicely surprise you with it. Give them the chance to do.

it says tickets are 1999 bt (apparently not the usual pre-sale discount) and food+drink is free(or rather included). Says ''party (foot)ball-shorts= kangkeng ball.
I think its ''meenakhom=march, thus must have passed long ago (not 100% sure, I always confuse those monthes when I am not there).

as for BKK-we had that very same Q not very long ago-maybe on one other of the 3 fora. I would not call Saranrom ''cruising'' as its only MBs to pick up there. Cruising means (for me) meeting a like minded guy also out for something to happen in mutual understanding+agreement. That can-sparsely-happen anywhere/anytime, at least in BKk but pretty much anywhere in TH-but it eats excessive long time, you never know when it will happen etc. so for the visitor with limited time nothing to go after.
Indeed-those apps/sites, well known have mostly taken over it all. Even around the well known Boysgate/Suriwong/Ram IV area the MBs have simply disappeared a few yrs ago alltogether. And yes-just as at bars-it also hit or miss or pot-luck what you find and what they will do-or not-or how they look like along Saranrom.
Untill roughly about 1 yr ago there was also a thriving nite-market not too far from Saranrom-along the same canal, which drew hundreds of people-it also sold naughty things, incl Poh-DVD-s (20 bt each- I have a few of belAmi rom there) and kinky underwear. Where as indeed most Thai customers get there by taxi or car, walkers are certainly not unheard of and there is always taxi/tuk waiting to speed the happy new couple away to some love-HTL. You may also try out the work-out gym-area IN the park-closes at 21.00, just before-mostly Chinese guys. The rumour mill has it that as month ends, before pay-date, the boys on offer are more.
IF you really are dedicated into that, preferably LIVE in BKK long time and know the city and its customs, then try that other forum so named: cfs, Thailand in SEA.

as for BKK-we had that very same Q not very long ago-maybe on one other of the 3 fora. I would not call Saranrom ''cruising'' as its only MBs to pick up there. Cruising means (for me) meeting a like minded guy also out for something to happen in mutual understanding+agreement. That can-sparsely-happen anywhere/anytime, at least in BKk but pretty much anywhere in TH-but it eats excessive long time, you never know when it will happen etc. so for the visitor with limited time nothing to go after.
Indeed-those apps/sites, well known have mostly taken over it all. Even around the well known Boysgate/Suriwong/Ram IV area the MBs have simply disappeared a few yrs ago alltogether. And yes-just as at bars-it also hit or miss or pot-luck what you find and what they will do-or not-or how they look like along Saranrom.
Untill roughly about 1 yr ago there was also a thriving nite-market not too far from Saranrom-along the same canal, which drew hundreds of people-it also sold naughty things, incl Poh-DVD-s (20 bt each- I have a few of belAmi rom there) and kinky underwear. Where as indeed most Thai customers get there by taxi or car, walkers are certainly not unheard of and there is always taxi/tuk waiting to speed the happy new couple away to some love-HTL. You may also try out the work-out gym-area IN the park-closes at 21.00, just before-mostly Chinese guys. The rumour mill has it that as month ends, before pay-date, the boys on offer are more.
IF you really are dedicated into that, preferably LIVE in BKK long time and know the city and its customs, then try that other forum so named: cfs, Thailand in SEA.

Another possibilty: just buy/rent it-go to any of the many massageshops that offer only men as ''therapists''- a long list with prices, pictures etc is on the site thaimassageboy.com or on the gay listings on travelgayasia.com
Thai sauna's esp. those in BKK, can be hit or often miss and are not at all a sure way to find what you want-and can mean hours of wasted time. of course your age etc will also come into this.

Hi Ryan-first of all: talk+ask. How did he come into TH anyway? And-assuming he is a real Burmese, documented +all (do not expect too much in that field), is his permit still valid? if not-prepare much more money to bribe the border guards.
If I remember well you are canuck? (well, if its US-same holds): so you DO need a valid visa for Myanmar=Burma and you MUST get that advance -either from the embassy (On Satorn) or via an agent +commission. Its valid for 30 days. AND think/inform yourself about your status/visa when you come back into this TH.
It IS now possible to legally pass the land border Th-Burma in some places-notable Mae Sai in the far north and to the west of Kanchanaburi=Sangklaburi (aka as 3 Pagoda pass), and I think also via Mae Sot. BUT from some of these points the farang canNOT travel overland to Yangon (capital) all the way-but the chance he comes from there seems remote to me.
But chances are far higher he is undocumented, (just ask to see all his papers) or may even come from the a bit unruly part of North-Thailand where thousands of legel and illegal Burmese live-and wander still a bit freely across borders that only others have invented. That Thaton is just some 20-30 kms away from that border. Does he speak Thai? if yes-he is likely a Karen=Shan, these languages are much interchangeable.
Oh-maybe you have visitd the Thai rural backward countryside of Isan-expect Burma-countryside to be MUCH more primitive and 3d world-ish. PLUS that many areas are still forbidden for farang to enter by the Tatmadaw=Burmese military police. So I repeat sentence 1: first get much more info-I hope you now know a little more about what to go after.

Ryan-a is right: the choice of available+experienced Khmer boys is far better in TH as it is in their homecountry.
Action? What action?-limited to maybe 2-3 bars, busy only weekends, spread out in those 2 cities. Do your choice between: a gay-aimed HTL (see tga for listing) or a general one-make your choice in budget/standards.
IMHO best to get a thorough onhand review from as recent as last year on that other forum from the well-travelled OZzie a747 (or so, an ex-airsteward).
The only saving grace for KH is their much lower expected fees- 20//30-40US$ (ANY big amount there is paid in US$ cash) for short//long time. There are a very few massageshops where it is assumed you will also need ''extra service''roughly same format as in TH.
Again: the well-known sites are best for hook-ups, but also realise that any boy with a fancy Ifone etc must have a foreign sugar+cream-provider- the average Khmer does it with that trusted old Nokia.

be glad youre gay-for girls/Thai ladies its much worse in this respect. Children are brainwashed in this-just think of it as a culture-thing. Or take an utter capitalistic look at it-as so many seemingly weird things are best explained by that money: parents (read mam) pay for the process of growing up, and expect to be paid back in full for that.

Except for the twinks, indeed that Prince (never have been) would be best, and much used to farang. As a far nr [2] likely Arena, it was said that a fair lot of former hero-guys went there-(or was that Uniman-anyway there were reports that its staff had nearly doubled) no idea if that is still the case. or over-expensive Senso.
The negative about the Prince is (for me hearsay) that its money-money-money aimed wit the Chinese lady running the place even made bets, in Thai and clearly heard by visitors, how much a customer would tip. Again: this may all have changed. It certainly has the best rooms-I think just like Hero they have several grades.
Though some of the more Thai aimed places may have the odd twink or so, this is not general and often also subject to the wims of the guys in turning up.

Except for the twinks, indeed that Prince (never have been) would be best, and much used to farang. As a far nr [2] likely Arena, it was said that a fair lot of former hero-guys went there-(or was that Uniman-anyway there were reports that its staff had nearly doubled) no idea if that is still the case. or over-expensive Senso.
The negative about the Prince is (for me hearsay) that its money-money-money aimed wit the Chinese lady running the place even made bets, in Thai and clearly heard by visitors, how much a customer would tip. Again: this may all have changed. It certainly has the best rooms-I think just like Hero they have several grades.
Though some of the more Thai aimed places may have the odd twink or so, this is not general and often also subject to the wims of the guys in turning up.

Except for the twinks, indeed that Prince (never have been) would be best, and much used to farang. As a far nr [2] likely Arena, it was said that a fair lot of former hero-guys went there-(or was that Uniman-anyway there were reports that its staff had nearly doubled) no idea if that is still the case. or over-expensive Senso.
The negative about the Prince is (for me hearsay) that its money-money-money aimed wit the Chinese lady running the place even made bets, in Thai and clearly heard by visitors, how much a customer would tip. Again: this may all have changed. It certainly has the best rooms-I think just like Hero they have several grades.
Though some of the more Thai aimed places may have the odd twink or so, this is not general and often also subject to the wims of the guys in turning up.

Khrap khun duay, many thanks for this effort-an extensive followup of the old shamefull mackie.
Inn due time i might add some experience for more, but time prevents me for now.
I would omit that new Common-its way out in the sticks and very far from LPrao/MRT and even from normal buses.
Vipa44 just replaces former Homme2.
KINGs has a special: doublesize beds, have never seen that in other places. BodyClub has twins-beds 9friom the old place): more like 1,5 width.
Jey charges 500/700 for oil//60/90 mins, MIn tip is 500 soft/1000 hard.
hard to find out, except by actual visits, but it might be useful to add of they accept cred-cds-some do, (like jey).
Waternest (sukhumvit) is reported as closed.
Onnce that new MRT line opens, you might add the 3 places close by one another in far away Nonthburi, also posting on TMB: Seed, HiClub and IMAspa. By then much eaiser to get to as those along Lard Prao and its subsois.

Khrap khun duay, many thanks for this effort-an extensive followup of the old shamefull mackie.
Inn due time i might add some experience for more, but time prevents me for now.
I would omit that new Common-its way out in the sticks and very far from LPrao/MRT and even from normal buses.
Vipa44 just replaces former Homme2.
KINGs has a special: doublesize beds, have never seen that in other places. BodyClub has twins-beds 9friom the old place): more like 1,5 width.
Jey charges 500/700 for oil//60/90 mins, MIn tip is 500 soft/1000 hard.
hard to find out, except by actual visits, but it might be useful to add of they accept cred-cds-some do, (like jey).
Waternest (sukhumvit) is reported as closed.
Onnce that new MRT line opens, you might add the 3 places close by one another in far away Nonthburi, also posting on TMB: Seed, HiClub and IMAspa. By then much eaiser to get to as those along Lard Prao and its subsois.

Khrap khun duay, many thanks for this effort-an extensive followup of the old shamefull mackie.
Inn due time i might add some experience for more, but time prevents me for now.
I would omit that new Common-its way out in the sticks and very far from LPrao/MRT and even from normal buses.
Vipa44 just replaces former Homme2.
KINGs has a special: doublesize beds, have never seen that in other places. BodyClub has twins-beds 9friom the old place): more like 1,5 width.
Jey charges 500/700 for oil//60/90 mins, MIn tip is 500 soft/1000 hard.
hard to find out, except by actual visits, but it might be useful to add of they accept cred-cds-some do, (like jey).
Waternest (sukhumvit) is reported as closed.
Onnce that new MRT line opens, you might add the 3 places close by one another in far away Nonthburi, also posting on TMB: Seed, HiClub and IMAspa. By then much eaiser to get to as those along Lard Prao and its subsois.

Muscfair: easy to see on the website of urbanmalemassage. Both are not cheap and the new Banana was even a little more exp. as old Hero was. UM has a kind of differentiated ratescale depending on time and popularity of employe. Thats why they want you to give review+rating after the treatment. But again: youll have to accept that there is simply NO garantee, NO ever good advcie etc-it all remains the luck of the draw.

Muscfair: easy to see on the website of urbanmalemassage. Both are not cheap and the new Banana was even a little more exp. as old Hero was. UM has a kind of differentiated ratescale depending on time and popularity of employe. Thats why they want you to give review+rating after the treatment. But again: youll have to accept that there is simply NO garantee, NO ever good advcie etc-it all remains the luck of the draw.