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what was so surprising ?

from what I know , yes they are real brothers. For that very reason asking them for 4 hand massage together never crossed my mind. But one can ask , I can even imagine they can agree but chances are session would be restricted to massage only. I had 4 hands at Bangkok Massage with two close friends, it was fun but they did not touch each other and told me up front they will not, explaining why. For that very reason I always advise those going for 4 hands - pick up one boy and let him to pick up another one subject to your approval.

Lots of fun can be had without getting into actual f***k, up to your friend. Just being massaged by naked hunk may make him happy enough. Go slowly and don't push him. You can take a time picking up guy there, in fact they serve beer for something like 100 baht if not less You can be open and straightforward with Art. 100 baht tip will oil him to even more friendly disposition, ,just kidding although I always tip him on departure just for old times sake.In fact I once had massage with him and he did very well. As for massage itself I can recommend Fai there, he is firmly on my list of 5 best massages ever. His brother Dit also working there is my most engaged boy ever with 14 massages and long times over the years. So when comes to Arena I'm positively biased but have statistics to support me, LOL As for HIV and related issues. Those places have condoms and lubes by my advice for everybody is to carry those all the time just in case as well as small bottle of mouthwash. One never knows when will be hit by heat passing by all those massage places.

I'm glad you had great time there. Arena is usually first massage shop I visit after arrival in BKK and still have goose bumps when taking that escalator up, don't ask me why because I don't know but I like the feeling. 1.Arena's minimum tip is for massage, shower together and hand job. This is clearly stated on their website and was a case as long as I remember. Everything else requires higher tip. Everywhere , be it bar or massage , I'm I'm always asking straight question "how much you want ? " . If quotation is too high I counter offer with what I'm willing to pay and that is give or take for either one of us , haggling would kill fun for me. You can state your own quotation by answering to his "I fuck you ?" with " OK, 1000 baht" or whatever you willing to fork out. Then boy either smiles or asks for more. Keep in mind , he can see your glistening eyes not to mention speed you hardened up after undressing so may try for more. 2. First talk to a boy if he is willing to go overnight with you . Some may , some may not and still some will decline on the first encounter but may agree next time so don't give up if you like a boy. He may like you too. I never involve mamasans in those discussion but Art , mamasan in Arena is good guy and you can talk to him freely. You may take boy immediately or you may tell them you will pick him up after end of his shift / closing time for shop. In such a case just show up later and he will wait for you or even tell him to come to your hotel but make sure he knows where it is, don't count on it. You will be required to pay off fee , Arena may charge you cost of 1 or 1.5 hr massage. They never asked me but I was asked in other places sometimes to pay boy tip up front. Some massage places are doing this for outcalls. On another hand few times at Arena if I had massage during day and was taking boy out after end of his shift they did not charge me at all but this seemed to be whim more than standard practice or kind of bonus for loyal patronage so don't count on it. Tip expected will be 2000-3000 although I doubt you will find many there willing to accept 2000 for long time. Again I'd fix it with boy beforehand, you don't want scene in the morning with him expecting say, 5000. (happened to me back in Nov 2013, reported on this forum ) As for hotel anddy already told you above , my advice is walk with boy like you own the place and if they want boy's ID they will ask. But make sure boy has ID before you take him as in some hotels they will not let him in. more questions- please ask We hope you will be reporting to us your adventures in Thailand but no , we are not asking you to tell us EVERYTHING, just whatever you want to share

and we were wary and now we are old LOL but transition was/is lot of fun

hope they will retain an option of having soap massage there

recall what your grandmother was saying about what was good and what was not , that you can believe

no , I'm not and you know it very well that's correct but ..... which leaves option of just one side do the talking

Welcome to the forum willyrag. As you see above general consensus is you should start just anywhere in Boyztown soi 3 as all places named are in the same 100m long soi. Have a sit in any outside bar , have a beer , soak in atmosphere and then make your move. At 9 p.m. BoyzBoyzBoyz boys may be singing outside , it gives you good idea whether you like them or are too manly for your taste. If they are not, you have other bars named above plus Toy Boys at your disposal . Massage boys are all over the soi, mostly manly looking as well. And don't forget to report your findings here / that's my standard welcome to all newcomers /

What can I say? Perhaps that nobody in America is sitting in jail for making jokes about say, Barack Obama's dogs. Yes , that's something to think about. can those who's agree with those westerners stand a chance of voicing it ? really? My tears are reserved for those in jails rather then those lining up in the sun to be part of spectacle. Don't want to start any wars here but bringing up to THIS thread subject of tip for sex seems to be misplaced. Big time !.

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keep coming , Last month I spoke to a few very cute Russians in Boyztown, bar boys need patronage

according to The Economist's article in the last number it was no one lesser than King Chulalongkorn, grandfather of the King Bhumibol who declared before own death in 1910 that "over the top funerals are waste of human labour and money"

not even that, but you may be tired / jet-lagged and in no mood so money would be wasted and you don't want to piss off boy with cancellation

considering you are going to Pattaya 1500HK$ / 190USD / would NOT be money well spent , even at half of this I'd miss that opportunity. And you still need to pay for some digs to entertain him. Wait for Thailand

Certainly it looks like one

thank you , lots of participants highly offable, specially one on the platform with raised hand and Andrew Christian black underwear with HORNET across his chest

My guess is girls of soi 6 and Walking Street can't wait for all those sailors to start their rehearsals

I wonder how was Silom / Surowing and Sukhumvit ghettos during funeral days. Was everything closed or some bars . massages and Patpong night market still tried to do some business? Perhaps those present in BKK those day can update.

exactly, this was also my point described in post #19

answer below

because you over 30

most of us here are also at least 10 years past of our heyday , it doesn't mean we are not alive and kicking and so is Thailand, gay Thailand in particular With 13 go-go bars still in operation one can spend 2 weeks in Bangkok without being / and taking off from / in the same bar again, not to mention countless massage places. Can't envision being bored in 3 weeks in BKK , broken , yes , but bored? I agree with "visit Pattaya" recommendation for at least few days. In Siem Reap 2-3 days is enough for somebody totally uninterested in architectural heritage but if one is , even 1 week may be not enough and gay fan can be had there as well. While Phnom Penh scene is growing is still far from "declined' scene in BKK but I agree , worth visiting. I like OP idea of just going and see what happens , with more time at disposal and not being restricted by employer give away of vacation time that ideal way of having leisurely holidays, waking up in the morning without idea of where and with whom one will go to bed next night.

I must say that I like boys of all nationalities working in Thailand but on regular basis I have very good luck with Lao boys

That's another advantage of Thailand other than boys, hotels are very good value and if one is so inclined may have palatial den for week or two for much less then at home , just the same like with boys.