Bangkok Short Trip Report - August

[floridarob]

10 hours ago, jason1975 said:

There are many customers at Freshboy every night but customers go there to watch the show. Not many offs.

I remember you talking many times about how many off's they get at that bar, more than I would've guessed.....now mot many off's??

[jason1975]

12 hours ago, floridarob said:

I remember you talking many times about how many off's they get at that bar, more than I would've guessed.....now mot many off's??

Nof as many as during high season. The last peak period was Songkran.

[Shax]

5 hours ago, jason1975 said:

Nof as many as during high season. The last peak period was Songkran.

During the time I was at the bar, I only saw 1 boy who changed clothes and went with a customer. Several boys were invited by customers to sit and drink though.

[aaroninatl]

I only spent an hour at FB when I was there this week but there were probably 4 or 5 guys I'd gladly spend time with.  I just am not crazy about the offing process.  I get it the bar needs to make money, but I like to see the guy make his money.  He's doing the work.  I'm not a big drinker.  And after cover charge, drinks, this offing fee... you're already up around the cost of what a massage costs before the guy's part of the equation is even figured in. I still will probably partake in the offing thing while I'm here, but seems like the smarter money is the massage.

[vinapu]

7 minutes ago, aaroninatl said:

but seems like the smarter money is the massage.

smarter money is to skip both bars and massages, savings will add to thousands a day

[bkkmfj2648]

30 minutes ago, aaroninatl said:

 I just am not crazy about the offing process.

Neither was I when I first came to Thailand many years ago.

Why?

I was shy and intimidated and I did not like having to negotiate via a mamasan/papasan intermediary.

But, I did not shun going to these EXCITING unique places; gogo-bars, host bars, show bars, etc. because the fun is in the EXPERIENCE.

Don't deny yourself that fun - you only live once and you stated that you came on this first time trip to Thailand because you want to evaluate if this could become your retirement host country.

So, try to enjoy your stay in Thailand to the fullest within your given financial boundaries. 

[jason1975]

48 minutes ago, aaroninatl said:

I only spent an hour at FB when I was there this week but there were probably 4 or 5 guys I'd gladly spend time with.  I just am not crazy about the offing process.  I get it the bar needs to make money, but I like to see the guy make his money.  He's doing the work.  I'm not a big drinker.  And after cover charge, drinks, this offing fee... you're already up around the cost of what a massage costs before the guy's part of the equation is even figured in. I still will probably partake in the offing thing while I'm here, but seems like the smarter money is the massage.

You have to go through the whole process - your drink, boy drink, off fee, tip mamasan and short time (or long time) payment to guy - at least once. Think of it as introduction fee.

After you get the guy's contact, you can arrange to meet him separately - before he goes to bar for work in evening or after he finishes work at bar (and he has no customer). Most guys will be happy to meet during this low season period.

[spoon]

1 hour ago, aaroninatl said:

.I just am not crazy about the offing process.  I get it the bar needs to make money, but I like to see the guy make his money.  He's doing the work.  I'm not a big drinker.  And after cover charge, drinks, this offing fee... you're already up around the cost of what a massage costs before the guy's part of the equation is even figured in.

If you think of it as a one off thing, of course massage beats offing from bar. But if you look deeper and divide it up, you can still see value going into bar. 

I for one, always prefer bar over massage, simply because its much easier for me to choose guy i like face to face, and in the bar, i can take my time choosing or not choose one at all. 

Your own drink = entrance fee for the show you get. Boy drink = for the boy's time with you in the bar, where you can enjoy having a warm body and everything attached to that body (often just in a skimpy underwear) while watching the show. The boy do get a cut from the drinks. Off fee = outcall fee, as you did take the boy out during business hour, where theoretically, he could make just as much for the bar through drinks at the bar. 

Yet the best value for me is the bar tipping system for the boys. In massage place, you pay by the hour, and they are quite strict on that. For bar, short time can be as long as 2 hours, and long time can be up to 6-7 hours. I still enjoy going to massage but paying by hour, usually opted for at least 90min or 2 hour, but that will cost more as well. 

[aaroninatl]

Gotcha... all valid.  I don't think it'll be an either/or situation. I'll be partaking in all the fun on this trip.  The show I saw at FB was worth the admission.  

[floridarob]

53 minutes ago, aaroninatl said:

 The show I saw at FB was worth the admission.  

This was the justification that finally got me over the mental block of how expensive a night at a gogo bar can get......

I just can't justify it every night at every bar when there are so many others on apps and massage shops around, plus a place like Super A , where I've found so many diamonds in the rough and country guys or freelnaces more or less that show up when they need extra cash.

Then there are the go-go's where the guys are treated like and expect rates of a Bollywood star that I won't bother going in.

[Keithambrose]

3 hours ago, floridarob said:

This was the justification that finally got me over the mental block of how expensive a night at a gogo bar can get......

I just can't justify it every night at every bar when there are so many others on apps and massage shops around, plus a place like Super A , where I've found so many diamonds in the rough and country guys or freelnaces more or less that show up when they need extra cash.

Then there are the go-go's where the guys are treated like and expect rates of a Bollywood star that I won't bother going in.

So, Super A is still going. Is there a good selection of boys? As you may recall, I prefer twink or boy next door type, who will bottom!

[floridarob]

49 minutes ago, Keithambrose said:

So, Super A is still going. Is there a good selection of boys? As you may recall, I prefer twink or boy next door type, who will bottom!

sometimes yes, sometimes no.... you're asking the wrong guy about your last question 🤷‍♂️

[Keithambrose]

36 minutes ago, floridarob said:

sometimes yes, sometimes no.... you're asking the wrong guy about your last question 🤷‍♂️

Thanks.  Yes, I know, but  thought you might have a general idea!

[jason1975]

6 hours ago, spoon said:

If you think of it as a one off thing, of course massage beats offing from bar. But if you look deeper and divide it up, you can still see value going into bar. 

I for one, always prefer bar over massage, simply because its much easier for me to choose guy i like face to face, and in the bar, i can take my time choosing or not choose one at all. 

Your own drink = entrance fee for the show you get. Boy drink = for the boy's time with you in the bar, where you can enjoy having a warm body and everything attached to that body (often just in a skimpy underwear) while watching the show. The boy do get a cut from the drinks. Off fee = outcall fee, as you did take the boy out during business hour, where theoretically, he could make just as much for the bar through drinks at the bar. 

Yet the best value for me is the bar tipping system for the boys. In massage place, you pay by the hour, and they are quite strict on that. For bar, short time can be as long as 2 hours, and long time can be up to 6-7 hours. I still enjoy going to massage but paying by hour, usually opted for at least 90min or 2 hour, but that will cost more as well. 

I like your analysis of why offing from bar is more value for money vs massage!

[jason1975]

6 hours ago, aaroninatl said:

Gotcha... all valid.  I don't think it'll be an either/or situation. I'll be partaking in all the fun on this trip.  The show I saw at FB was worth the admission.  

Glad u liked the show. I am keen to know how you rate the show against the other bars once you have watched all the shows.

[vinapu]

11 hours ago, bkkmfj2648 said:

 

So, try to enjoy your stay in Thailand to the fullest within your given financial boundaries. 

there's always line of credit

[vinapu]

10 hours ago, aaroninatl said:

Gotcha... all valid.  I don't think it'll be an either/or situation. I'll be partaking in all the fun on this trip.  The show I saw at FB was worth the admission.  

for 128th time  I repeat try to visit each bar at least once , preferably twice as one statistic sample is not base to formulate hypothesis as people wiser then me i.e. everybody says

[vinapu]

9 hours ago, floridarob said:

Then there are the go-go's where the guys are treated like and expect rates of a Bollywood star that I won't bother going in.

then you don't know what you are missing

[jimmie50]

12 hours ago, aaroninatl said:

you're already up around the cost of what a massage costs before the guy's part of the equation is even figured in. I still will probably partake in the offing thing while I'm here, but seems like the smarter money is the massage.

There is some element of excitement for me in the massage process.  Yes, some of the shops you know going in that the massage will not be the main focus.  More attention will be paid on the extras.  Half of the fun or excitement in getting massage is to see just how far the masseur will go...will he or won't he...and what are the limits.  I guess it's a game for me.  In the bars, you know exactly what you are going to get before you walk out the door with someone.  You have negotiated in advance for ST or LT as well as what they will or won't do.  There isn't that same element of surprise that I find with massage.  

[spoon]

8 minutes ago, jimmie50 said:

You have negotiated in advance for ST or LT as well as what they will or won't do.  There isn't that same element of surprise that I find with massage.  

You could always take someone from the bar and not negotiated anything if thats your game though. 

[vinapu]

9 minutes ago, jimmie50 said:

  In the bars, you know exactly what you are going to get before you walk out the door with someone.  You have negotiated in advance for ST or LT as well as what they will or won't do.  There isn't that same element of surprise that I find with massage.  

I'd replace highlighted part  with 'more or less what you are going to get" , bar negotiations are not sealed and signed contracts , just something like promissory notes.

And I haste to add it 's not a bad thing as nice surprises are as frequent as disappointments

[floridarob]

1 hour ago, vinapu said:

then you don't know what you are missing

Yet I do, is why I don't go to those places anymore....I might be many things but I'm not a masochist, lol

I don't keep track of how many visits to Thailand I have, but I'm willing to estimate about 60ish 

[12is12]

17 hours ago, floridarob said:

plus a place like Super A , where I've found so many diamonds in the rough and country guys or freelnaces more or less that show up when they need extra cash.

M ashamed to admit I m not familiar with this bar; neither do I find it on google map.   )-:

Why does it stand out as a place to find diamonds?

[floridarob]

1 hour ago, 12is12 said:

M ashamed to admit I m not familiar with this bar; neither do I find it on google map.   )-:

Why does it stand out as a place to find diamonds?

Diamond in the rough.... there's a difference:

 

In the context of a male escort, a diamond in the rough refers to a provider who has incredible natural qualities but lacks the polished presentation of a high-end professional.

Key Characteristics

• Raw Appeal: He is naturally highly attractive, genuinely charming, intelligent, or inherently good at connecting with people.
• Unpolished Presentation: He might have a basic or poorly photographed online profile, slow communication, or a lack of high-end wardrobe options.
• Lacks Industry Polish: He may be new to the industry, unfamiliar with luxury etiquette, or nervous during bookings.
• High Potential: Clients who overlook his unpolished exterior get an exceptional, authentic experience at what is often a lower introductory rate.

Common Examples

• A newcomer with an average profile who turns out to be an incredibly attentive, captivating companion in person.
• A naturally handsome man who shows up in casual clothing but possesses the emotional intelligence of a premium provider.

[daydreamer]

There's some information about Super A in a previous thread about NatureBoy and Super A: