floridarob Posted Thursday at 10:10 PM Posted Thursday at 10:10 PM 10 hours ago, jason1975 said: There are many customers at Freshboy every night but customers go there to watch the show. Not many offs. I remember you talking many times about how many off's they get at that bar, more than I would've guessed.....now mot many off's?? Quote
jason1975 Posted 18 hours ago Posted 18 hours ago 12 hours ago, floridarob said: I remember you talking many times about how many off's they get at that bar, more than I would've guessed.....now mot many off's?? Nof as many as during high season. The last peak period was Songkran. Quote
Shax Posted 13 hours ago Author Posted 13 hours ago 5 hours ago, jason1975 said: Nof as many as during high season. The last peak period was Songkran. During the time I was at the bar, I only saw 1 boy who changed clothes and went with a customer. Several boys were invited by customers to sit and drink though. Quote
aaroninatl Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago I only spent an hour at FB when I was there this week but there were probably 4 or 5 guys I'd gladly spend time with. I just am not crazy about the offing process. I get it the bar needs to make money, but I like to see the guy make his money. He's doing the work. I'm not a big drinker. And after cover charge, drinks, this offing fee... you're already up around the cost of what a massage costs before the guy's part of the equation is even figured in. I still will probably partake in the offing thing while I'm here, but seems like the smarter money is the massage. Quote
vinapu Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 7 minutes ago, aaroninatl said: but seems like the smarter money is the massage. smarter money is to skip both bars and massages, savings will add to thousands a day Enchanted_Elixir and Olddaddy 2 Quote
bkkmfj2648 Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 30 minutes ago, aaroninatl said: I just am not crazy about the offing process. Neither was I when I first came to Thailand many years ago. Why? I was shy and intimidated and I did not like having to negotiate via a mamasan/papasan intermediary. But, I did not shun going to these EXCITING unique places; gogo-bars, host bars, show bars, etc. because the fun is in the EXPERIENCE. Don't deny yourself that fun - you only live once and you stated that you came on this first time trip to Thailand because you want to evaluate if this could become your retirement host country. So, try to enjoy your stay in Thailand to the fullest within your given financial boundaries. aaroninatl 1 Quote
jason1975 Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 48 minutes ago, aaroninatl said: I only spent an hour at FB when I was there this week but there were probably 4 or 5 guys I'd gladly spend time with. I just am not crazy about the offing process. I get it the bar needs to make money, but I like to see the guy make his money. He's doing the work. I'm not a big drinker. And after cover charge, drinks, this offing fee... you're already up around the cost of what a massage costs before the guy's part of the equation is even figured in. I still will probably partake in the offing thing while I'm here, but seems like the smarter money is the massage. You have to go through the whole process - your drink, boy drink, off fee, tip mamasan and short time (or long time) payment to guy - at least once. Think of it as introduction fee. After you get the guy's contact, you can arrange to meet him separately - before he goes to bar for work in evening or after he finishes work at bar (and he has no customer). Most guys will be happy to meet during this low season period. bkkmfj2648, aaroninatl and Travelingguy 2 1 Quote
spoon Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 1 hour ago, aaroninatl said: .I just am not crazy about the offing process. I get it the bar needs to make money, but I like to see the guy make his money. He's doing the work. I'm not a big drinker. And after cover charge, drinks, this offing fee... you're already up around the cost of what a massage costs before the guy's part of the equation is even figured in. If you think of it as a one off thing, of course massage beats offing from bar. But if you look deeper and divide it up, you can still see value going into bar. I for one, always prefer bar over massage, simply because its much easier for me to choose guy i like face to face, and in the bar, i can take my time choosing or not choose one at all. Your own drink = entrance fee for the show you get. Boy drink = for the boy's time with you in the bar, where you can enjoy having a warm body and everything attached to that body (often just in a skimpy underwear) while watching the show. The boy do get a cut from the drinks. Off fee = outcall fee, as you did take the boy out during business hour, where theoretically, he could make just as much for the bar through drinks at the bar. Yet the best value for me is the bar tipping system for the boys. In massage place, you pay by the hour, and they are quite strict on that. For bar, short time can be as long as 2 hours, and long time can be up to 6-7 hours. I still enjoy going to massage but paying by hour, usually opted for at least 90min or 2 hour, but that will cost more as well. Quote
aaroninatl Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago Gotcha... all valid. I don't think it'll be an either/or situation. I'll be partaking in all the fun on this trip. The show I saw at FB was worth the admission. Quote
floridarob Posted 21 minutes ago Posted 21 minutes ago 53 minutes ago, aaroninatl said: The show I saw at FB was worth the admission. This was the justification that finally got me over the mental block of how expensive a night at a gogo bar can get...... I just can't justify it every night at every bar when there are so many others on apps and massage shops around, plus a place like Super A , where I've found so many diamonds in the rough and country guys or freelnaces more or less that show up when they need extra cash. Then there are the go-go's where the guys are treated like and expect rates of a Bollywood star that I won't bother going in. Quote
