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Somewhat related question ... I have a meetup tonight with someone from Grindr. Their profile says "No MB," doesn't mention massages, and price never came up in our chat. Is it going to be rude for me to ask him "how much?" or am I (relatively) safe in assuming he's not a MB?

Not much change For 117, Tuesday is the best, Friday and Saturday okay too For 202, Wed is best, and then Monday is okay

I was at Lagoa last month, not good, even for Friday and Saturday. Not many GPs, not many clients, and even saw one straight woman there, drinking with another client Many guys I have seen at 2021 are still working there, turn over rate is low compared to Rio I generally have much better experience at 117 and 202 Logoa really need to do something drastic to attract GPs and clients, maybe a free suit Friday or free entry for GPs what is worse, they gave me wrong bills two nights in a row

I have been to Salvador once in 2022. I went to both saunas with GP, and would say keep you expectations low. I did not find any GP above 8/10, most are 6/7. I did see some hottest men I have ever seen in the beach though, but alas, guys working as GP are too ordinary looking

Hi guys, Not sure if this should be posted here or at the Escort section for members, but just wanted to get some input on the HCM mb scene. Could anyone share what are the average rates like? I saw some advertising on Grindr but are there better places to get one (maybe massage shops or gogo bars like in Bangkok)? This would be my first time to HCM so would appreciate your input on this.

Some of my go to places, not in any order of preference G's Bangkok Soi 4, nice place, good food and cold beer, nice place to sit and watch the Soi 4 world go by Roadhouse Barbecue corner Rama IV and Surawong, good food and cold beer, a little pricey but still good and the lunch specials are reasonably priced Mango Tree (my favourite) as Daddy415 said delicious food, nice atmosphere, I can't resist eating there several times per trip. Such a pity that the Mango Tree on Yodpiman Riverwalk closed, I used to enjoy a leisurely evening meal and drink there and sit back watching the river traffic flow by Happy Beer Garden across from the Raya on Surawong, cheaper eats than others but still good food and drinks and generally a happy atmosphere

Thanks for that, that one will be on my avoid list when I head over later this year

That makes sense. I had some enjoyable hook ups in the saunas. But not as great as I had hoped. The one incredibly hot guy I met in a sauna turned out to be quite scary. He asked for the money up front, which I paid. Then he immediately asked for more. I said no. His glare at me pretty intense. Then he just laid on the bed without engaging. It was a short session. The next guy the complete opposite, lots of fun. When I was leaving the original guy approached me in the locker room and again demanded more money while staring into my eyes with an angry expression on his face. It was uncomfortable. None of the other hookups in the saunas were memorable. It seems like a really interesting city, but I was alone and every time I walked in an area outside of the heavily sanitized tourist zone..... lots of police and tourist shops... a local would tell me it was dangerous for me and I should go the tourist zone. I have no doubt they were concerned about me. By coincidence a guy met travelling in Turkey was in Salvador visiting his parents and picked me up the airport and took me to their place in a gated suburban community for lunch. They weren't rich, normal middle class retirees with a small home. It was a block from a nice beach which we went to for a walk. It was a weekday afternoon and the beach was almost empty. He told me his mother was very worried about our safety. So it was a short walk. He said Salvador is the kind of place where you never want to look like the most vulnerable person.

It's a challenge some times--but in the end people actually care less than you think they do. As gay men without family ties we have a lot more freedom to travel than a lot of our straight co-workers. A number of them live vicariously through our travels--hence the questions. I'll admit it would be hard to say month after month I'm going back to Thailand or Brazil(weren't you just there last month?"), but at the end of your life when your co-workers are nowhere to be found it's important you pursued the things that made your life happy and not lived your life for them. I'm fortunate in the case of Brazil I practice a sport (kitesurfing) that has world class conditions on the northeast coast so I have a good reason to go there frequently. I always include a stop in Rio or Sao Paulo for a few days "to break up the trip." In the end you'll find your own way to answer(or deflect) their questions but you should pursue your life without guilt or shame and enjoy!

Excellent!

I couldn't agree with you less! These laws are used to stifle free speech. There have been. Count5 examples of the misuse of this law. Defamation should not be a criminal offence

Same situation with me re Colombia and Istanbul. I'm now adding another destination on those trips so I don't feel like I should lie when co-workers ask where I went.

Actually, hurray for the Thai legal system. These obviously fake reviews were defamatory, malicious, and spiteful, lowering the business's ranking from a stellar 4.9 to a dubious 3.1--all because the restaurant owner didn't allow the Brit free use of the restaurant's private property. I hope the restaurant owner gets compensated fairly. And I hope they're able to track down the source of the other fake reviews, and take action against them as well. Freedom of speech isn't a freedom to lie and defame others.

Mike Johnson Told Us What He Really Thinks About Joe Biden, Hakeem Jeffries and Donald Trump I thought this was a fascinating interview with Mike Johnson. It's long, but it is worth a read. It explains a lot to me about why he has turned out to be surprisingly effective. And there is less gridlock and shit show than I thought there might have been after the House Republican leadership explosion. I will say this as a caveat. Johnson's views of The Gays have been repugnant and hateful. I'll repeat that three times. Repugnant and hateful. Repugnant and hateful. Repugnant and hateful. There. So that's out of the way. That said, one of the biggest legislative victories of my organizing career was a bill that funded $10 million a year, annually and permanently, to low income energy programs carried by an anti-Gay Republican in the Oregon legislature. That's politics. if you want to be effective. Which is what the interview is all about. I'll single out a few parts that really resonated for me: That resonated both professionally and personally to me. Professionally, I spent a huge amount of time on Capitol Hill as a liberal low-income activist when Reagan and Bush 41 were President. It sure helped to have a Democratic populist ally like Bill Proxmire as chair of the Banking Commmittee. He was not captured by bank money, like Democratic Banking Chair Chris Dodd (not to mention most Republicans) was further down the line. But anything that got done in the 80's had to be bipartisan. Especially if you were a liberal. So these ideas are music to my ears. This is how lots of important shit got done in the 1980's and 1990's. In the 90's I did the same thing in the Oregon legislature. My most fun happy warrior gig was annihilating Enron and getting a huge and permanent fund for renewable energy set up that has made Oregon a renewables leader ever since. (Sorry, Gavin.) Again, it had to be bipartisan and coalition building. Personally, I have been a lifelong Wellstone liberal Democrat (he was my college professor who turned me lefty). And my Dad, who almost lived to be 100, was a lifelong Reagan Republican. So I learned early that we had to respect each other, and be able to agree to disagree. Most of my family is left of center. A few of my nieces and nephews are pretty hard core Trumpy Republicans. The line that works with them is that my Reagan loving Dad and I disagreed on a lot of things. But we could always talk, and respect each other, because we shared the same principles - good principles. Which, of course, I got from him. It is a line that works great with the Trumpers in my family. And it works great because it is true. The thing I liked most about Kevin McCarthy, as I stated before, is he is the White Republican conservative from a fairly Hispanic area who more than any other national elected official worked hard to bring Black and Hispanic and Asian American conservatives into the US House. That was actually not good for the Democratic Party. Since I would rather be able to go after Republicans for being the All White Male Party. But what McCarthy did was good for the country, I think. There will be less racism thanks to Republicans being more inclusive. This spirit may be Johnson's hallmark, no matter how long he lasts. He obviously believes deeply in the things he is saying, about loving - or, more importantly - respecting and finding common ground with - your enemies. And it's working. Maybe someday he'll even show some respect to The Gays! 😉

Hummm. Tell him you wanted to go to EL Salvador to plan for your Bitcoin’s retirement and you blender with the airport code …Wash, rinse, repeat !

And Mango Tree! Right next to all of the action, delicious food and great people watching (I might have a crush on the owner/ manager).... 11 am massage at Prime, then Mango Tree, then more massage after lunch.... have to order carefully so I'm not too full for massage!

Sure, but if you make any money by extorting the scammers...you owe me half!

May I steal that idea - I will go with Interpol, just for variety! Lol

I'll respond to my own message in case anyone is searching in the future.... I stopped by this week and the mamasan was very pushy. He asked what type of massage and I said "Oil" and he said "no, AROMA oil, much better, less sticky" and then demanded a "deposit" to reserve my slot 2 hours later... in an empty shop on an almost empty street at 2 in the afternoon mid-week. The whole place smelled like gin and regret (cue Beverly Leslie)... and lots of cigarettes. I ended up leaving and going to Relax, which will be part of my trip report I will write once this jet lag is better...

For the last few years I get these almost every day when home in Ireland on Hornet/Jack'd Fit Asian guy in early thirties, that is visiting for his business, always moves straight to conversation about what i do for work and him explaining that he is in investments/property/crypto and wants to exchange WhatsApp. I usually tell them that i work in computer crime and fraud detection for Europol... for some unknown reason they suddenly lose interest!

Agreed. The last few times I was in Lagoa, I left with 0-1 programa. I think most of the hot guys are now online. I have a trip to Brazil this coming October and hope it'll improve. Then again, there is always online hire, massage places and clubs.

Does your workplace require you to tell them where you're going on vacation? If it's simply social inquiries, I would just be vague and move on.

Love all the new reports. Can you clarify what day(s) of the week you were at the places and how they compare? Even the best locations (Lagoa & 117 in my view) can have drastically different crowds and atmosphere on different days.

Lagoa seems to be mostly a weekend place now, with maybe Thursday tagging along. We know that the insane frenzy that used to be their Wednesdays is no more and will never come back, but does anybody have reports on what it's like (i.e., how dead is it) on Monday-Wednesday? There was a mention of some promo on Tuesdays but I don't know if that has increased the selection of talent. I'm assuming the other place, 555, is as dead on any day of the week as on any other.

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