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all tips are arbitrary, it's their very nature. Soi Twilight boys expect probably more than 1200, soi 6 will be happy with even 1000. If I would be happy with company certainly I tip 2000 for 3 hrs but this is pure theory as I almost never off short time but unfortunately sometimes boys are converting long time to short one using some excuse and learning what undertipping means in the process. Mercifully rarely though. I don't blame boys for trying to extract more and those stories about 5000 may be even true but I don't think they really expect us to be that generous but never hurts to give it a try they may think. But you are right, sometimes those requests may be intimidating if somebody doesn't know how to stand his ground , once I had a case when boy did not want to leave room if not given what he wanted as tip - story described in my Back to Thailand thread from Nov 2013.

you don't feel overwhelmed nor pressed , just write whatever you willing to share and keep private whatever you don't. Don't be afraid to express views which are going against conventional wisdom if you feel like, the same brall3 did today about Hero. Usually everybody praises place but it turns it's not always 5 star. You don't need to like what majority does. It's actually brilliant idea to enter forum with trip report.

for shy types best massage place to ponder choices is Bangkok Massage in soi Twilight. One can park himself at Maxi's across the soi , nurse a drink and see boys without either being bothered or feeling ignored. Senso on another hand is for less shy since lobby is small and boys are very close to customer. But what a sight ! It's just me but I never saw boy there I'd not be willing to use services of.

+1 welcome to the forum what a great time we have this October with so many trip reports from both old and new members

what about going and spying for us?

for me water is just too wet

I like to treat myself to the VIP room if available for one of my first massages after arrival in LOS. Not that I see much value in the room itself , after all I'm for the boy not flat screen TV but it's nice to splurge from time to time. Another bonus is that VIP room are usually offered for longer treatments so by definition boys are less inclined to rush things up which I hate. So yes, 2 hr treatment in the VIP room at HERO is a treat from us to ourselves

I'm past my prime but never felt THAT neglected at Hero or anywhere else for that matter that I would feel like leaving. But if you did, nothing wrong in looking somewhere else , much better than forcing us on boys or boys on us if they are not interested. I in fact rather like to be left alone although I usually make decision very fast , either I like what's presented or not. I'm glad PRINCE is mentioned more often those days, for while we did not hear about then place at all. Prakanong is right - attention and smiles are where money, tips and drinks are. May be current crop of farangs is less inclined to spread wealth around and Asian guys are getting their share of attention?

you are talking to the right person. On Sunday just before Christams last year I asked my night's companion to give me a lift to the church on Sukhumvit which he did. This May we spent afternoon exploring Sanctuary of Truth and is was pretty busy too with visitors. On serious note I think lots of Bangkok residents as well as foreigners are coming to Pattaya for the beach and sea, after all one doesn't see many Russians ladies of size strolling along Walking street at night but you can see plenty of them during day everywhere. Certainly whoever is coming anywhere for the beach doesn't not have any competition for space from me

thank you for clarification. Certainly BBB was resurrected, show is excellent , boys friendly and very approachable, mamasans not too pushy and honest. / I was paying off fee with 100 baht notes and they gave me back one note informing that if I had a drink in the bar off fee is 100 baht less which I did not know/

You got me interested in River Kwai trip, thank you. Sorry to hear about your Prince tribulation with clumsy boy but at least his massage was good. It's fairly easy to tell boy to stop whatever he is doing unless he was so horny or overzealous he did not pay attention. This may happen everywhere so don't hold it against Prince. Only room on ground level at HERO I was in are VIP rooms . I think they have two of them. Do they have standard room on ground level? I always was climbing some stairs unless taking boy to VIP room. But thanks God, I don't have stairs problem yet and usually climb them even if elevator is available to the boy's horror

what was wrong with them? asking out of curiosity because I'm relative newbie when comes to PTY

for my private use I consider it the best boybar in Thailand and #1 reason for me to visit PTY

I don't want to make any enemies here but if I was beach person which I'M NOT I'd prefer beach without all that furniture and based on recent party discussion about Caribbean vacation in various places I'm not only person who feels like it. Beach is after all beach, not a living room. So my guess will be not everybody is so unhappy with removal chairs from the beach and chances are tourism will not be that affected. But again I'm both neutral and disinterested in the beach subject.

don't forget to tell us how it went

how did you go? by yourself of you took a tour? if yes , how much and from what office. Thinking about going there next time in BKK I like Adonis too, have soft spot for it as my longest off was from there

certainly it would be mother of all mistakes. LOL

not a bad idea but I wouldn't count on it. After all they need to pay those guys who are trying to drag you inside not to mention those who are parading semi-naked on the stage. I like BoysBoysBoys Pattaya system when you are entiled to 100 baht discount on off fee if you had drink already, at the same time incentive to have a drink and to off the boy / I'd off most of their boys without any incentive anyways /

I'm exactly of the same mind frame. While I understand motives of those who think prices there are too high for me it's just pure entertainment worth splurging and can't wait to have another chance. I love the whole gogo and massage experience, interaction with boys, mamasans and other customers and prefer it to lottery of social media the same way some instead of ordering pizza over phone rather go downstairs , buy and at times consume it where life is.

and rightly so

It's from me but I did not invented this rule, actually picked it up from one of the boards, tested and it works like charm / I recall only one exception when smile proved somewhat fake /. Funny thing , it was actually at Senso last December when I spectacularly broke it and picked up M, the porn star who totally ignored me busy with his phone. But I was hunting for him few times and decided to give it a go. He turned up to be truly professional not only with massage and afters but also took pains to complement me and on top of it we had very pleasant conversation in meantime, definitely one of best massage encounters ever. Is good to follow rules but sometimes we should give a chance to gut feeling too. There were mixed reviews from Senso over years but I must say for me always worked as charm. I'm glad to hear forky had good time at Banana, another underrated place which never fails to deliver for me.

welcome to the forum

go to Senso or VClub because we did not have report from those for a while

that's the reason some of us still prefer to go and see boy in the flesh - can be sized up , talked to and looked in the eye to minimize possible disappointments. And there's whole bar atmosphere to soak in. But for shy, economizing and horny at non-standard hours types social media are of great help.

are you sure? as long as I know drink price is a cover charge at Dreamboys and elsewhere. Complains about drink and off prices as well as tips are as old as Troy. Not to dismiss your concern but it seams there are only 3 ways of dealing with it : gnash your teeth and pay, do what you did - try to bargain price down or just give them a miss. There's also fourth way I'm using very often, instead taking boy from the bar , take one from massage. For price of drinks you will get 1-1.5 hr massage and extras, off fee and tips may be the same. If we complained about prices and gave bars a miss they would notice but this is not workable solution - there always will be those who at home pay much higher prices or simply don't even have this opportunities so steep price for one will be a bargain for the next guy. And tourists on short forays may be less concerned about price than those who are in for 3-4 weeks While I hate to pay those prices as much as everybody else and I remember them being much cheaper too, when drinks were at 200 complains were exactly the same. Scene is changing with social media and much more massage places than before so bars must make money somehow. I'd leave it to the market forces. Vote with your wallet , bars may notice our absence or may be just happy we made room for the next client And there's always soi 6 and Pattaya with lower prices, Super A or Nature Boys will not quote you 3000, rest assured.