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Vinapu, we will definitely miss your reports and adventures. You must make it back to Thailand soon!! CHEERS!!

Vinapu, we will definitely miss your reports and adventures. You must make it back to Thailand soon!! CHEERS!!

Vinapu, we will definitely miss your reports and adventures. You must make it back to Thailand soon!! CHEERS!!

Vinapu, we will definitely miss your reports and adventures. You must make it back to Thailand soon!! CHEERS!!

Day 15 and summary
 A left earlier. We met many times before and I’m pretty sure he noticed  I like our new companion so much so he decided to give us hour or two more, just two of us and when he suggested he will go , true to form I said Ok. Sometime later  mu guy  said it’s time for him to go and for me to do the same. Shower together , agreed tip plus 500 , he went his way , I packed my goodies and when it started dawning I was on the street catching taxi which conveniently just appeared on horizon. No drama this time , 257 baht  on the meter to Swampy. He was very happy when I gave him 300 and asked to keep the change. Two or so hours later I was  in the air , taking off from Thailand for 27th time.
Time to summarize .
I call this trip short  but only because last three were almost month long but before 2 weeks was kind of standard, twice I flew just for 1 week and was surprised it worked well.
It was first time I was in LOS in January and February and weather was very pleasant but last few days in beginning of February it could be sensed temperature and humidity is climbing up.
 I’m glad I returned to butterflying  meeting only V , N in Pattaya and Maii at Jey Spa more than once. Some boys were probably disappointed , I get it , but it seemed to work for me as previously I noticed in few cases bit of complacency. I don’t like to be taken for granted even if I’m.
This is not what it was supposed to be , it was supposed solid 8 days spent with CCP in Phnom Penh and Bangkok but regretfully it did not happen. I was leaving home with very high hopes, expecting great time with him but also aware that we don’t know each other really and his antics with flight change and money requests were warning signals.
 Few of my friends  who were privy to affair from beginning , all were right – chances are that it will not work they warned me unanimously and early on  . So stupid  guy at least has smart friends, no?
 I feel disappointed but not bitter. I tried but it did not work . Will I pursue him again ? Most likely no. Will I try once more if he will pursue me ? Most likely yes, much smarter from  that experience. No money in advance , no commitment to anything more initially than night stand and only then if satisfied  I may look for repeat. Will he try to contact me in the future ? I very much doubt as he may suspect I’m mad as hell.
 Other than that most guys I met were very good to excellent. Even Tawan boys with exception of one but their sin was with being too greedy so chances are I will put them on diet in future. Best bar this trip for me was , surprisingly to even myself , Hot Male. At one point I counted 10 boys on the stage I could off one by one.
It looks I firmly start liking Jupiter, second off in row better than just satisfactory. And I don’t even count HC taken from there, He was bit of sore point of my trip in October but it looks he turned out changed man to my extreme delight. Him, N in Pattaya and guy who visited me in Phnom Penh were as close to boyfriend experience as I could wish followed by several others , not far behind.
 But if you ask me which of guys I met would be my choice if I had only 1 night in Bangkok it would be my last guy  from Moonlight. Somehow I’m intrigued by him, I don’t know why but it must be personality
 I was also intrigued by no less than 3 guys at Banana, all twinks but sold themselves on their smiles. Next time I may be busy there to Lucy’s delight. I don’t even mention one of their barkers, very easy on eyes indeed and guy I offed from there, another sweet treat.
Whenever I return I will pursue  both  “ axe murderers “  I spot in ThaiRelax soi 6 and in Jomtien. Only hope they will be there.
I mentioned this year is big question mark for me when comes to travel everywhere. This may mean that I may show up at Thai illustrious shores at very short notice if I will see that’s only option.
 As for hotels I found  Okay Boutique in Phnom Penh extremely good value for money and can recommend it with clear conscience. I continue to consider Furama Sathorn Xclusive as my top find in Silom area ,  while still loyal to Baan Silom. Rose and particularly Le Siam were nice discoveries while shiny Ibis Styles , while impressive , I found bit overpriced for what I got . I like some space in my rooms. But I’m glad I tried them.
Jet lags continue to ruin me , each time it seems to be worse and worse. Only cure are longer trips and less hectic schedule in the first week. Or staying home , obviously not an option.
 Even with stress and disappointment this trip belongs definitely to better half of my trips so far.
 
 

day 14 part 2
Our choice of bar for tonight was Jupiter but when we went there it was only singer and few customers inside , too early for boys so we switched to Moonlight greeted warmly by  barkers outside.
 
A , the hunk happened to enter stage exactly at the moment when we got our drinks so I did not waste a time  and called him over right away and secured him for off later tonight. It worked for both of us as I wanted to see the show and he had short meeting with some client who invited him just for a meal. Fact confirmed bit later by mamas an who wanted to be sure I understand why A need to disappear for hour or so.
 One of boys on stage was  guy  whom I recognized  as former New twilight dancer and when commented to A that I like his look quite a lot he suggested I  take him as well vouching he is great guy. It’s not first time A plays mentor role and tries to promote his bar friends so we can’t say he is selfish.
  Shortly A finished his drink and went for his meal meeting, promising to be in hotel in hour or two.   Radek who arrived only yesterday evening started to feel jet lag  so we shook hands for good bye and left too. All of the sudden I was lonely in the full bar so I called buy in question from the stage , bought him a drink ., learned that he is Lao so which endeared him to me bit more as I have almost universal good time with Lao guys, must be something in their water.
Asked him  about going with me and A and it turned  A already primed him about such an option because he confirmed  right away he is ready. So I decided to skip what was left of show and we went to hotel.
Not as hunky as A or Moonlight models but still very well built and commanding quite good English he turned  as great guy as I hoped for.
 Long ago , independently , American, Soviet and Burkinabe (from Burkina Faso, Africa ) scientists noticed that very often we  find our best boys on last or second last night of our trips. That  New Twilight transplant seems to be another proof supporting  such discovery.
 Hour  later I went downstairs to escort  A to the room , guy on reception did not even blink an eye.
It 2nd time in row I have A in the room on my last night and great conclusion to such short but rich in turns of action trip .
 

that was precisely my intention, to show that good time can be had if one wants to have that. And is very easy to find it.
Naysayers may be right that old times were better in terms of variety of options available and certainly more liberal but what I observe every trip , even if options are shrinking , they are still abundant. I was there 14 days , 12 of those in Thailand and only at Hot Male go-go I counted 10 guys I wanted to off . So one can go easily on monodiet.
As for liberal side, very graphic performances may be appealing to some  but appalling to others so not even sure that part is missed that much , I personally like bit of spice in bar shows but that's me. 
I was thinking about missing whole part of Cambodian Charming Prince fiasco as certainly I look stupid falling into that trap but decided it's better to be open, first because it may provide lesson , second because I still cherish memories of those pre-trip days when I was sooo excited such chance opened for me , third to show  that  disaster today may be replaced  by fun soon after and fourth , even if I don't believe what I'm saying , until i hear other side of story , there's vague possibility that that fiasco was not fiasco at all and I should be glad it happened avoiding bigger trouble and expense - again half  full part of glass theory.
 

Your reports have given the forum a much-needed boost, Vinapu. They demonstrate that it's indeed still possible to have a great time in BKK and Pattaya despite the naysayers who see the glass as nearly empty compared to back in the day.
That you didn't--as Floridarob observed--sugar coat it made it even more entertaining. Your day-by-day quest to wring the maximum satisfaction out of your limited time will surely inspire others not to allow temporary setbacks to detract from all that Thailand has to offer in terms of sights, sounds and men.

nothing wrong with tiny hotel  rooms, in most cases we need them exactly for three tasks you described  but it would be good if price reflected that.
I guess some people are willing to pay for modernity , decor and  factory smelling newness  , it's why Ibis seemed so popular along with Quarter Silom of similar ambiance and quality.  I rather settle for space even if that involves worn  furniture and rickety elevator.  

Maybe they should have put some of the Lobby in each of the Rooms??
Reminds me of several Budget Hotels I stayed in in Manila. Just enough space to poop, shower and sleep...  🤪

Day 12
It was 9.30 when we finally left bed and considering my stay in Pattaya was only 23 hours, 12 out of those I spent in bed , not a bad thing I guess.
We went for breakfast to French place on the corner, our favorite. Then after quite emotional goodbyes N went to gym and I to bus station to buy a ticket for noon’s bus. Good move since next customers , two Russian girls purchased last 2 available for that hour. I returned to hotel , packed up little I had and returned to bus station to learn that at 12 noon  not one but two busses are departing and both were full.
 At 1.45 pm we were already at Swampy, quite fast for the bus. Hour later I was checking in Ibis Styles, brand new venue on Silom, bit hidden but located right across Patpong. Lobby impressive and room very modern but quite small. The same like in  Quarter Silom, well appointed and organized but still small. Glass shower but toilet in separate room, better arrangement than in Raya . Desk size of two postcards and only three hangers for clothes but at least there was window.
 In short, I liked it but not for a price. For 20 $ less I had room of triple size at Furama Sathorn , breakfast included in both cases. So as they say I stay there two times, first and last unless they will have some real deal indeed.
After setting I walked to Furama to pick up my suitcase. Soon after anddy  showed up so we had nice talk in the lobby exchanging latest news. 
 After he went home I primed myself for bar visits, then to G’Bangkok for a dinner and then across the soi to Banana  Club where I had beer outside before entering  inside for the show.
Nothing big about show there but at least there was break so boys could present themselves and I distributed few tips and called #10 , one who was sitting with me few days ago for a drink. Fast we agreed on short time hotel visit. Mamasan Lucy rushed to congratulate me a choice, this time I gave up and forced 100 baht tip upon her.
 During show I got angry  Line message from birthday boy Handsome Cambodian’ why you did not tell me you are in Thailand?” . Learning that he is in Jupiter I resolved who will be my long timer tonight, hence short time with #10.
 It was short but nevertheless great time , adorable baby quality smooth skin, how they do it ? I wondered. After we solved all world’s problem he left and soon after I walked  back to soi 4 to get my catch.
 Not so fast though. Guy selling tickets in front  of Jupiter did not allow me to go inside without   buying drink ticket which was not my intention as all I wanted was to off Handsome Cambodian. So we had a bit of stalemate. Fortunately one of their mamasans   emerged outside and I wasted no time to tell him what I want ‘I want to off  HC “ , soon I was presented with 500 baht invoice and minute or two later my birthday boy emerged all in smiles but still pretending  to be upset with my secrecy.
 Only when I told him I wanted to surprise him on his birthday he “forgave”  me. I saw him few times  before but never so happy like today. He is one who appears a bit grumpy but not tonight and not with me. It looks that after commotion we had last trip over phone overuse when he dumped me after 1 night  he realized that ATM like me must be appreciated and it must be shown. I forgave him, met him later and I’m happy to see that he finally started to realize  simple fact that I like him and is in his best interest to show he likes me too.
We went to Foodland as he was hungry , had some light meal and them kind of impatiently we walked to the room . What a charming and sweet young man !  Phone left on the desk , far from bed if at Ibis anything can be far. Kissy, clingy , you name it ! I was  very impressed.
 Perhaps meal we had was too  modest as at 4 am he asked for a break to go to Foodland to eat something but did not even ask for food  money true to form. He has a habit of buying small things with own money without waiting for farang to but it.
 I suspect that he wanted a smoke more than food but did not want to admit it as I warned him that many clients may not like smell of cigarettes. But over all it was off on top of all of all offs.
 

Day 11
I tipped my guy a bit extra , so happy I was. Then we went  downstairs for breakfast, boy went home and I returned to hotel to pack up.
Today I’m going to Pattaya with the mission. Since Tartegogo had similar plans we resolved to go by taxi. And it means  three of us as he decided to take his last night’s  friend  with him. I took small bag with me and left suitcase in Furama asking them to keep her for me till tomorrow.
Then to Raya to meet both gentlemen, they tasked me with finding a taxi which I found on Suriwong in their usual spot in front of Siam Heritage hotel. It took exactly 2 hours to arrive at Jomtien Complex. My companions went to their hotel and I marched to Zing, as always great value for money.
 I mention a mission. Tomorrow is birthday of Handsome Cambodian, guy for whom I have perennial soft spot so I wanted to surprise him with showing up. But as often surprise did not work. I Lined him asking innocently ‘how are you? “ and ‘ where you now?” to get an answer “ on my way to Bangkok, waiting for a van to depart” complete with picture of van and ticket. Ouch, so much for surprise.
But there’s always tomorrow and chance for surprise in Bangkok, we will see how it works. Than I went for  a stroll through Jomtien Complex , then toward Dick’s and on approach to his shop I saw my semi permanent Jomtien guy N. It was perhaps 2.30 or 3 pm. Great surprise , upon learning where I stay he shrewdly suggested we will have massage  in my room instead of shop . I paid 300 massage fee and off we went .
He was bit sad I’ m only tonight in Pattaya but having so little time we decided to utilize it very extensively. Forget about massage. He is way too affectionate for that. It was 6.20 when we both realized we are hungry so went to Dick’s for a supper. Then he went back to the shop and I to @home bar where I was supposed to meet bkkmfj2648. He was there so we had a chat oiled with beer ogling boys in vicinity while yakking. At one moment Tartegogo and his guy passed by  and stopped to greet us.
  I eyed one axe murderer walking by, double treat for me as generally Jomtien Complex guys are not my thing. If I stay longer I’d took him right away but today I was not sure about night’s plans since my surprise failed and I wanted to see show at X-Boys. So all I could do was to surprise him with red note when we passed by in front of his bar. He was nicely surprised no doubt because when I tuned my head after passing him he was still smiling broadly following my sight.
 I hoped to shake hands with gayinpattaya but he was not in bar he apparently  holds the court so it’s task for next trip whenever it will be. But I have witness I had intention if you read this report.
Bkkmfj and me took  baht bus to Boyztown,  stepped  for a moment at BBB greeted by Lek, the mamasan.  Several boys on the stage but none really appealing and then  we went to X-boys . on our way Wit from Paradise Spa eyed me and rushed  to greet me , another guy disappointed they I’m there only one night.
 X-boys bar was full for the show and show itself was very progressive. Audience predominantly Chinese who were extremely excited by what they saw and tipped generously right.  left and center .
While I liked the show very few guy appealed to me  so I send Line to N to wait for me at 12.30 am by Zing so we continue trying to solve world’s problems together.
After show bkkmfj and me returned to Jomtien , he went home and I went to meet N passing by the bars but my axe murderer was absent , hopefully taken by some handsome and generous farang.
 N was waiting , we went to 7/11 to buy some supplies and returned to my room for very active sleepover so to speak. Old people should not exercise that much as it borders on dangerous I thought.
 

Day 10
Great feeling in he morning that all world problems were solved or at least I felt like it .
 Breakfast in hotel , I noticed quite a few glances by other guests. Old,  KFC like troll and muscle semi-god , hard not to notice contrast I guess. But expressions were rather ‘wow”  than condemnation so it made for  even better feeling  and boost to my self esteem.
 Today trip with my friend to train market in MaeKlong. That’s rewarding, entertaining but multi staged trip requiring some planning. I took BTS to Wongwian Yai BTS station , from there it’s about 500 m walk by covered walkway to Taksin Road and then another 500 m north along the street to Wongwian Yai railway SRT station. While BTS one is usual concrete monstrosity , railway station is just single track ending almost on the street. My guess would be it may be easy to miss but my friend was already there so he spared me finding out. We bought tickets to Machachai also known as Samut Sakhon at 10 baht a piece and while waiting for train I bought new baseball hat in adjacent market.
  Trains on this stretch are frequent, roughly hourly and ours at 10.40 am arrived and departed on time. No problem finding seat but train was by no means empty and whole 1 hour trip is basically through urban landscape never leaving really Greater Bangkok. Upon arrival , since we had more than hour to make connection we had a coffee , then took ferry across the river  for 4 baht and in 3 minutes we were on another side. From there about 800m well posted walk  to Ban Laem station.
There are only 4 trains  a day  on that railway from Ban Laem to Mae Klong so as I said some planning is required. We could see it when train rolled out of station and pair of young  tourists was running toward it but unfortunately too late to catch it. This part took also 1 hour, this time landscape was   rural , graced at one point  by  impressive sight of grand stupa Phra Pathom Chedi , tallest in all Thailand,   in Nakhon Pathom .
 Train market is on the last stretch , just before terminal station. On  last station before terminal train become very lively as whole tour of Japanese boarded brought there by bus. Wise move as in my opinion surveying market from moving train is  more interesting than being on the ground.
At one point train slowed to crawl through all the stalls and scores of tourists taking pictures. We responded in kind taking theirs.
 There’s recent post about market where I placed few pictures made that day to give you an idea.
https://www.gayguides.com/forums/topic/39029-railway-market-crowded-with-chinese-tourists/
 
 We had about hour to spend there and trekked back the same way in reverse. On Ban Laem station we met again that unfortunate pair waiting for our train to return and take them back. Girl cheerfully commented ‘ we are on vacation,  we have time”.
 
There was short wait for return train from Mahachai after we crossed river and going to Bangkok train was quite full as it was rush hour.  At 6.30pm, 7 hrs. and 50 minutes from departure in the morning we were back.
Thank you Christian PFC for providing information about logistics of getting there.
 There’s other way to get to the market, by bus from Southern Bus terminal but is not as entertaining and getting to and from terminal takes time and effort as it’s not easily connected to BTS or MRT I was told.
 I suggested we will have pizza dinner at Madrid Tavern and my friend agreed so we took BTS to Saphan Taksin and walked to soi 49 from there.
 Greeted by smiles and question ‘ you want Chang , no glass,  and your usual pizza ? “ I knew I’m in the right place. My friend being vegetarian was concerned whether they will have some choice for his and it turned out they have no less than 4 pizzas of vegetarian kind including my favorite ‘Shallots and cherry tomatoes” .
 After dinner we walked to our hotels . I refreshed myself and went to HotMale go-go where I was supposed to meet  with Tartegogo for the first time. No problem recognizing each other as we provided kind of detailed descriptions of ourselves since we never met before.  He had his companion with him already and soon they took off and I invited Sam whom I offed few days ago and another boy, as twinky as they go whom I knew from 3some off on previous trip to seat with me. Sam clearly hoped for an off but tonight I opted for other guy. Perhaps taken by his smile which never left his face.
So another twink in my collection and it was good move.  He was not hungry so we went to hotel right away and had surprisingly romantic evening , night and morning. Am I in process of switching to twinks? That serious question I need to answer.
 

not only there , one can see the same in my kitchen. I love it

Vinapu, I am sure many of us have had similar experiences with Asian men!
Mine more so in the Philippines. I once invested heavily in a new friend from online with plans for him to meet me in Cebu City. He lived in Cagayan de Oro. So to make it a short story, he asked for my help with getting his Teachers Certificate, USD100. I agreed. I bought him a Ticket to fly to Cebu, USD 75. However, he said he had to change the date because of a job interview. Of course the Ticket was not refundable. So changed the Ticket, USD35. Then he sent me a sad massage, he had gone to the Airport for the flight and they would not let him board because his Photo ID was not valid. Of course I went to the Airline Office to try to resolve all this. And paid an extra fee to reissue the Ticket USD25. Finally he said his Sister would not let him fly to Cebu to meet me. At that point my plans with him were gone and so was a goodly amount of my budget. But life goes on...
CHEERS

Likewise and that's the main reason I stopped going as the stench of smoke and the smoke in the air while dancing became almost unbearable.
Plus the drug dealing and taking of same was also getting a bit off the scale towards the end of my visits and trust me I'm not the sort of person who would usually give a shit about such things, but between half the guys in there being beyond off their faces and the guys in the corners( and some waiting staff) fairly openly dealing it all just became a bit much of a chore rather than fun  - for me anyway.  
*Mod's if this post is "a bit too much" then do of course please free free to edit or delete as you see fit, but it was my experience at the time.
 
 

to get you an idea why I sing such accolades to Furama Sathorn few pictures of my room, there including famous suitcase which was supposed to be gifted to CCP in Phnom Penh.

Day 9
K left at 8 after breakfast downstairs with promise to take him to MahaNakhon. We were there already but obviously he liked it and this trip I did not go there yet so why not? One day we ‘ll go.
 Then I went to  met my farang friend again in the same place  we met yesterday. We confirmed trip to train market tomorrow.
Returning to hotel I packed my meagre belongings and moved to Furama Sathorn Xclusive hotel. That move was planned as safety valve  after CCP asked me to move flights. I wanted to have escape route in case things won’t work. After discovering that hotel in Dec 2021 it’s my most favorite in BKK and even better value than Raya. Older place but room are big and  breakfast included in price.
In fact when cost of breakfast for two at Foodland is added to Baan Silom rate cost of staying at Furama Xclusive works out almost the same. It was short walk from one hotel to another and luckily my room was already available so I could move in just before noon and again they rewarded my loyalty by upgrading me one notch above room I booked. Goes without saying never problems with visitors there and nobody is rising brews seeing different companion every morning.
 In Decmeber 2021 hero of  my trip was T from Sabaidee spa but somehow I did not see him after that trip, neither in May nor in October last year an somehow I felt nostalgic today so I Lined him and asked to come to work at 5 pm for reunion and after that fell asleep for good 2 hours. All those long times and sleepless nights are showing .
Trek to Sabaidee for very rewarding massage session , too bad that his English is almost non existent and not much talk could be done using google translate as obviously we did not meet for smartphone session.
 Even if it was excellent and in great degree proper massage session I decided for one more. But first , feeling hungry I went to G’Bangkok in soi 4 for a dinner and was surprised how busy restaurant was – I took last table. Then to hotel to refresh and shave and my next step was Tawan but not for show. Another day K told me that after M left for 9-Teen, now Mas, resident twink is one who is giving massages and since I like him , thank you very much,  I couldn’t deny myself a pleasure.
I was bit surprised that their price was raised to 800 , it was only 500  last two trips. Session was great and we even had some massage indeed so despite price it was pure pleasure – that is what happens when you really like the guy. At end I was taken aback a bit when he asked for no less than 2000 tip but I paid gladly since as I said above, I like him. But at that price it may be once a trip pleasure.
 I think I’m pricing myself out of Tawan, don’t blame boys but myself. Never thought being stingy has merits but slowly I’m warming to an idea , at least there. I did not stay in bar, only told B I will off him later and paid off fee to secure it and went to soi 4 to Banana Club.
 I had a beer outside as I like one of their barkers , bought him a beer and slipped 100 baht into his jeans  discretely using  well rehearsed Vinapu Tuck. One day I must get acquainted with him closer.
 Even Her Majesty Mamasan Lucy   came to say hallo and asked if I have a tip for her to an cheerful answer ‘ no’.
 Then another beer inside, I asked one of their guys to seat with me , bought him a drink and tipped 500 for a feel. Smooth like baby and endowed like porn pro so money well spent. After a good half an hour I sent him back to the stage knowing I won’t off him tonight and it was great move as he was called by some other customer right after -poor guy in audience  was probably waiting impatiently if I off the boy or not. Boys in Banana are not generally my type but apart from guy sitting with me I spotted other 4  I could off, all twinks with hooliganish faces I so like. Who knows, one day I will test them one by one.
 It was past 11pm  when after having so good time in Banana I returned to Tawan to pick up B. Of course as soon as I went inside few palms were outstretched and few undies lowered , all asking for tips but since today I changed religion to stingy , all were left empty handed and empty underweared. I start liking my new,  Scrooge like,  behavior there. I lie bar and boys there but as I said , I spoiled them and in process my experience there. Now time to reverse course.
Advantage of B is not only his built- steely muscles with 0% fat but also distinction of being one without habit of outstretched palm.
 Dinner at Foodland , again I swear the same friendly waiter suggested he orders steak and today it was prime cut indeed so good value for my money and then quick moto rode to hotel for another mostly sleepless night.
 

Day 8
 When parting in the morning I upped his tip by savings on his meal last night and even pointed it to him. Hope word spreads that it pays not to be too  glutenous.
 At 9 am met farang  friend in café near Mahanakhon, we had talk till 11  and resolved to go to train market after tomorrow , agreed to meet at Wongwian Yai station in time for 10.40  train.
Then I had mission as I got  suspicion from combing Grindr that one on my best guy ever, certain M from Senso is working as hairdresser in one of shops in Rama IX Central. So jumped on MRT and soon was combing that sizable mall in search of hairdresser shops.
Unfortunately did not spot him, perhaps too early , or his day off or whatever. Will try next time in Bangkok as I don’t give up on him easily.
Being in area went to Ratchada train market but it was too early and shops were closed but walking there I found 10 baht coin so at least my efforts paid of.
Next step was to have massage at new shop of 9-Teen in soi 6 with  guy who  was resident masseur in Tawan  last year , now task taken by Mas , their resident twink.
New shop is quite impressive, well designed and everything smells new. Word is that massage is proper , just like Prime around the corner without any sinister moves. Let’s say I decline comment on that , I liked my massage  session only conclusion was bit unnerving since my guy wanted higher tip than I offered. I succumbed to request but it will be while before he will see me if at all.
 As much as I like Tawan and their boys , I built reputation there as handy money dispenser. I know it’s my fault but it starts hurting me so perhaps it’s time to switch that pain to  guys and show them that greed is not good for their financial health. But that’s for future as that massage reminded me that this trip I did not go to Tawan yet so resolved to pay them a visit tonight.
But first a dinner, this time in G”Bangkok in soi 4 . they have one fusion German -Thai dish in casserole I like so much. Don’t remember name of it but on the page where they list fusion servings that’s the one in the very bottom.
 Next step was my daily drink with P at Hot Male and after a while there I walked to Tawan. It was nice to be greeted by all those smiles and handshakes, less nice to fend off   all those palms stretched for tips.  Today my tips  were reserved for performers in the show but yes , I bought drinks for 3 guys sitting with me including K  and B whom I offed few times in the past.
 I was bit surprised , K’s cousin waitress in Happy Beer did not spy on me as he was not aware I’m in Bangkok. I always admire Thai discretion.
Show as always was quite brave and very modern including not one but two special shows and usual  JO competition so I dispensed 9 red notes for their efforts.
K remembered that in Dec on his birthday I promised him to buy him whisky so I decided to off him tonight, invited him for a dinner in 7.5 stars and just before deadline bought him a bottle of wine as he asked for such substitution.
And then to hotel for  activities  like knitting , stamp  collection rearrangement and world peace discussions.
 
 

all I know we only know about them as much as they told us. The same works other way.
I personally am not that critical and as reader pointed , I see young men who are trying to make living using assets they have i.e themselves and their good looks.
some are quite uplifting like one of my semi-regulars , single father who use to proudly point 'I don't have girlfriend but i have a son"
Other one , also mentioned often in my reports was orphaned my mother in his childhood  ( my friend who also offed him overheard him mumbling to himself ' mom help me", quite moving ) and later father was killed by Thai police. Yet still managed to built a house in his native village, whatever it is he calls a house. 
Personally when I think about them I avoid generalizations. Not all are poor or coming from poor backround. I know about 4 who have a car. One has small business, other one owns a condo. few , judging but how they speak English have quite extensive education. By no means they are prevailing examples but they do exist.
One who has steady job but paying only 10200 per month freely admits he goes with clients for easy money. Sleepless night bringing him 3000 it's almost 1/3 of his monthly take after all 
The same applies to us,  their clients. Our motivations to engage in the world of paid sex half world from home are very different and sometimes not even clear to ourselves I suspect. Some like Asians, some like sex far from home, some like to avoid any commitments (old saying 'most expensive sex is free one). It will be sex addicts and those who treat sex as vacation adventure.
And it will be those like me who fruitlessly search  for dream guy who can be offed for hand holding session only. Such dream guys are existing but it seems heat of the moment always derails hand holding only part.

Update: the long weekend was great. We had fun. (I had fun)  He did not want to go out and eat and just wanted to stay in the building and cook and swim and take photos. One of his photo got 50k views from my place. It was pretty fun for me to watch this as well. Sex is delightful. He is able to do things with his dick that most could only dream of. He took zero effort and did not want any money and wanted to treat me to dinner tonight. It was a very fun weekend. However, I am tired and sleepy. I can't keep up with the late night movie watching so I need to slowly find a way to trim that time back next weekend.

Day 7
 
In the morning as usual I invited Sam for breakfast but he declined, feeling still his embraces I gave him 200 so he can buy himself something to eat on top of his LT fee. Rest of morning spent lazy walking in the area and  catching up with e-mails and forum.
I wanted to see guy in Jey Spa , one I saw in Sabaidee in Dec 2021 so contacted them by Line if he is available. Response was impressively immediate – picture and question ‘ this boy ?” . I asked about 3 pm, after presumably contacting guy in question Maii2 another fast response arrived, “ 1hr 950 in VIP room  and  tip 1500 “. I asked about 1.5 hr, my usual timeline. Again response immediate “ VIP room 1250 and tip 1800”. When I okayed they immediately sent location and picture but I responded I know where you are. Not my first time there.
Not a cheapest place but I know them and did not expect anything else although I could shave 300 by asking for regular room . For reasons already explained I felt like treating myself though. So some light lunch in Foodland  and BTs to Nana station from where I had leisurely 45 minutes stroll to Jey Spa in soi 43.
Jey Spa doesn’t have a sign so is useful to have their address or contact them for location. To the left there are regular rooms and to the right with separate entrance, VIP ones where I belong today.
There were few boys on duty and all  presented themselves immediately but I disappointed them saying I’m already assigned. Soon my boy invited me to the room, luxury indeed, asked me to shower while he went to pick up presumably supplies and showered right after me. Goes without saying that procedure was clothing optional . massage was great , guy muscular and sweet at the same time. Too bad did not have much  English but half way through I knew it’s not our last meeting this trip. I added 200 to his well deserved minimum tip and promised to see him soon.
 Happy, happy marched to BTS , then MRT to Lumpini station as we had dinner with Christian PFC in Lido in soi Sri Bumphen. Christian introduced place as Gaybutton most favorite Italian restaurant in Bangkok  but let’s say it may be Gaybutton ‘s but certainly not mine. I found serving of my tortellini small but at big price. On another had apart from pizza at Madrid Tavern I’m not fan of Italian food anyways.
We had a lot to talk about anyways and Christian gave me detailed description of logistics of getting to train market in Mae Klong since I resolved to go there one day of this trip.
 We parted ways at dark , I took motorsai to my hotel to refresh and shave before hitting bars. My boys are complaining about my  apparently very coarse face hair so I make point of shaving before immersing in the night entertainment as one never knows.
 Drink with P at Hot Male beer bar and friendly chat with boys there. Since this trip I’m butterflying it was Moonlight from today’s rotation so I went there. Mamasan eyed me immediately and announced that while A , my muscle semi-god from there is absent he can bring him immediately and was somewhat puzzled that I resisted his proposal repeated numerous times.
Even my usual ‘ I like girls’ did not seem to discourage him but my plan today was to take somebody new so I was chasing him away tirelessly. And I eyed # 28, new face to me and as I learned later new face to bar as he started only few days ago. Muscular with face on bit axe murderer side so as close to my ideal as they go.
Motioned him from the scene and this time asked only if he goes with me  without going into ST vs LT. He was bit hungry and I did not fill myself much at Lido so one of us suggested World Famous Foodland and off we went.
I’m almost sure waiter suggested steak all the same like yesterday but he opted for something very modest and basic at less than 100 so first time in living memory my dish , you know what at 128 was more expensive than boy’s.
In the room he did not waste time  but took task to  prove that my choice  of guy was  wise one. So we become quite active on the bat. So active that at one point I, exhausted,  must fell asleep. Waked up in deep night in the darkened room but body beside was there. So he decided himself about staying LT . Great idea, so great that soon new round of gymnastics started. I start loving butterflying more and more.
 

It's obvious  that few friends who were privy to whole affair from beginning and those who commented above in the thread were / are right. Failure of the whole affair attests to that. Everybody was unanimous "cut him off" or " at this point I'd not invest any more money in him" (after that strange change flight request ) 
But me being stupid , did not listen and engineered my own disappointment. You guys were right and I was wrong . But it was nice to have such dream and hope and it's why I still smile, specially in view rest of trip was rewarding, thank you very much. It will be small setback but I'd say , included in price.
 At this moment problem of second chance is very academic. Due to personal circumstances this year 2023 is BIG question mark for me. No,  I'm not in trouble but life got in the way. Chances are that out of 4 planned times I wish I could travel to Thailand  (May, July , Oct and Dec ) this year none will materialize. And truth is it's not even in my control. 
I understand very well advices quoted above and I don't have any plans to even try to contact my Cambodian Charming Prince again. But if he would, chances are , even knowing  what I know now and rich in your advices and comments I will try again. Definitely I wouldn't even try to arrange for foreign trip again, that's sure thing. Not unless I'd spend at least few days and night with guy in question, not CCP but any guy. That lesson was absorbed.
But I  get some explanation I'd could buy  or apologies I'd  find sincere  I may fall into that trap of meeting him again. May be for dinner, may be for overnight, one step at the time,  watching my back, yes.
I too am believer in giving 2nd or even 3rd chances, again repeat case of Tawan boy , my best and 2nd worst off ever 2 years apart. And very fresh case of Handsome Cambodian described above yesterday.
CCP disappointed me , milked me  of some money but it's not a case of Stockholm syndrom, I did not suffer any harm. May be I would but I was careful enough to steer myself into safe waters.

One evening I arranged to meet a guy who had given me a few massages during the proceeding week. He appeared on time at the designated meeting place (outside the Raya) at midnight. Things generally went well but there were some awkward moments. He slept soundly over night but declined invitation for breakfast. When we parted I was sure that was the beginning and the end of the affair.
As I reflected on the evening over breakfast, I was puzzled. We had gotten along really well in his shop, laughing easily and feeling anything but awkward. But he was on his home turf then. I concluded perhaps he had been burned before by a farang he had met. Nevertheless, I  tried to put him out of my mind.
It was only a few days later when I passed his shop again and he was among the guys standing outside with menus in their hand. He beamed a smile at me and we chatted for less than a minute before we went inside for our third session.  Everything went well. His English was almost non-existent at the time so as I was trying unsuccessfully to ask him a question as we walked out later he gestured to a coworker to act as interpreter.
"You want to meet me after work tonight" was turned into Thai and the reply was a vigorous nod of his head and huge smile.
So as much as I believe Vinapu's prince charming doesn't deserve another chance, I'm reminded that had I denied it to my masseur, I would have missed out on seven of the happiest years of my life. We remain together to this day.

Day 6
After emotions of previous 5 days I decided to deflate a bit and take it easy. Today was day me and CCP were supposed to arrive. For a second I entertained an idea of going to Swampy and see if he arrived utilizing free ticket my courtesy but abandoned idea fast. Why bother ? And even if he did , what it would change? I wouldn’t  even try to approach , even less to embarrass him.
After lazy morning I  left Rose and went back to Baan Silom. I liked Rose and it’s quite a option in area  if price is right. Unpacking in Baan Silom I noticed my two bottles of red wine carried from home . Now,  deprived option of seeing how it makes CCP horny I did not have much use of them but fortunately for the planet got idea who may utilize them and offered to gift to him , no strigs attached.
Passing by soi 6 , I noticed M, former masseur on duty at Tawan is now in new 9-teen massage and promised to see him one day. Solitary lunch in Foodland at 3 pm , completely empty at that hour today and then decided to check Kman spa in Saphan Kwai. Since I had Line to one of their guys I messaged him asking if he is working today and he responded he will be on duty at 5. So at 5 I was there too.
 Massage as good as last time I was there and boy’s endowment was impressive   considering he is quite diminutive twink but he is Myanmarese, you know !
Then some computer stuff and it was 9.50 pm when I noticed I should check some bars perhaps. From rotation it was Hot Male turn so went there, just in time for the show.
Three veterans of previous offs came to greet me  and one of them, Sam,  I invited for a drink. I have soft spot for him ever since I took him to Grand Palace and he turned out to be truly interested in the place. I was not even in the mood for an off  but wasting time is not my thing so asked him to go with me and judging by reaction it was exactly what he  was waiting for.
So of we went via Foodland where while he was contemplating what to order I swear waiter told him ‘ take steak , his boy last night had it and farang paid” So steak it was.
 Not particularly steamy night but after all that recent drama I  guess I just wanted comforting warm body beside and he provided.