Travellerdave

Yes I’ve got to a stage in life where I’m doing a lot more reminiscing. Discovered Sunee during my second trip to Pats in 2002. Loads of hot twinks to be found there in the bars and gogos. Took full advantage cos I was horny as hell in those days (top of course). Now i take it more easy with a variety of boys and I am 90% bottom.

During my recent trips I’ve always checked out the boy scene at Winner and I usually find what I go looking for ie twinks. When Staying in the Complex getting there is not a problem - just take a baht bus stopping at Soi VC. For the return having offed I have taken one motor bike taxi 3 up with myself in the middle being able to use the foot rests. The journey seemed like no time at all, blasting through the night air along Thrapraya Road. It has crossed my mind that it would not be appropriate for me to meet my end that way. I have stayed in Sunee but that was more than 15 years ago when the place was in its prime. I remember the Don Plaza (or elephant) which looked smart from the outside but rooms were accessed up a narrow steep stair case and very noisy. Late night The guy on reception was usually asleep or drunk and unwilling to take Id . I also stayed a couple of times at the Colonial Bar and Guest House, which was good for meeting other farang guests, who would call-up boys if you were without. During one stay I had several short times with the boy cashier, when the bar was quiet.

Yes I like it when the boy kisses me without being prompted by myself. I’ve often kissed and cuddled my boyfriends in gay localities such as the gay beach but would not do this for example around the hotel pool in front of str couples or families, for fear of causing embarrassment . Things have changed over the last 20 when I first discovered Thailand when I was nervous about say checking into a hotel not known to be gay welcoming with the intention of having “guests”.

Yes I see your point and agree with it. Obviously if he refuses to let you kiss him after you buy him a drink, it’s not likely to be a good experience after you off him and you have him in your bed. Not sure if that applies if he refuses your tongue in his mouth or down his throat.

When sat with a boy in a bar or gogo I have never asked permission before kissing them, but I would not persist if there was any negative reaction on their part. In fact I’ve only really done it when I’ve already offed the boy or had thoughts about offing. Again I would only get my tongue involved when I judge he’s ok with that. As well as in the gogos it’s common to see the Complex bar boys being kissed later in the evening when the drinks have been flowing.

I am mostly bottom these days, although for 15 years of visiting gay Pattaya I was 95% a top. being now of more of an advanced age I really only participate in sex during my regular boy orientated trips to Pty. This means that for the first encounters with top boys the problem is the pain when being penetrated, particularly by large cocks. Later after being stretched a few times the discomfort is not there to the same extent. Poppers are very useful before then during the “conditioning period”. I sniff before and whilst being ridden, ceasing only when the boy has cum. The mind wanders and I loose focus on the discomfort.

Yes I remember those gay booklets especially in the early 2000’s when I first discovered Pattaya. They were often to found on tables of the Complex bars. If I recall correctly there was a pile of them on a table at the gay Sansuck Sauna as you emerged from the changing area into the pool surround. I don’t think I did much reading there I much preferred to lay by the pool or go into the dark maze in search of action.

It seems to me that extreme noise is in the dna of Thais. I’ve been to Isaan several times with boys to their home villages and experienced local calibrations like weddings and always large speakers appear and the music blasts out. I suppose before electricity was available drums were used to produce the noise they love which together with moonshine whisky would lead to a party in contrast to their hard working lives in the rice fields. I've stayed at most of the Complex hotels, particularly at the Zing where the clientele seems to vary from one stay to the next. At one time gays like me predominate, often sitting round the pool with boyfriends, and then on other days it’s crowded with families and str couples. The Poseidon seems to be the only 100% gay hotel where the pool is indoors with an artificial pumped flow of water. I’ve not experienced troubling noise whilst trying to sleep (alone or with a boy) in a Complex hotel room due to them being situated sufficient distance from the bars.

Taiwan looks really great judging by PeterHolland’s pictures, not just for the guys but also the countryside. going back to airfares being a disincentive to travel to Thailand, I’ve being checking the prices for MAN-BKK-MAN in July which seem to be around £1000, which is 50% higher than rates in previous years. This increase is a factor for me as these days I am making 3 trips per year of 2 or 3 weeks duration, but it’s not an overwhelming one. im hesitant to book because I’m unsure as to whether I will enjoy the experience as I did in years gone by, which was that of drinking cold beer with good company in the sunshine and having sex with handsome boys. I suppose it’s getting older that’s the problem or maybe the boys aren’t as good in bed as they used to be. I like the sound of the Philippines having plenty of tops - maybe I should go there. I guess that there are a good number of older gay tourists having the same thoughts about the next holiday.

Me too - I like tight singlet tops. Combined with very brief speedos. Hot hot hot.

Whilst I am Pattaya based I often have a day in Bkk when my usual routine would be to have a morning cruise on the river followed by massage and sex in one of the parlours later on. I usually do some research online as to location and what is available, but it’s usually rather hit and miss as to the quality of the massage and then how enjoyable is the sex. These days I’m mostly bottom and 100% that way in the parlours. I want top boys who are well equipped and rock hard when it comes to penetration, and also to be patient when I ask them to slow down. It’s a happy day when these 3 factors come together.

I stayed in the hotel a couple of times pre-Covid for I think for 4/5 days each trip. It’s situated about 300m downhill in a side soi off Thrapraya Road which connects Pattaya and Jomtien. Transport is rather an issue but I had a rented motor scooter which overcame any difficulties. They had a Tuk Tuk which was sometimes available for a lift uphill to the main road. The distance to the Jomtien Complex is rather shorter than to Boyztown so I didn’t find it a problem to walk. At night it was sometimes difficult to stop a baht bus going to Pattaya on the main road as they were often full of passengers. it’s a while ago but my memory has no recollection of anything negative about my rooms and for breakfast sitting by the pool was rather pleasant. In the evenings I remember the restaurent food being pretty good. it is of course a gay hotel and I didn’t see any female guests. I usually had a boy with me overnight. I had to get one of the staff to explain on two occasions to boys from Grindr how to find the place. Guests of course get admission to the sauna and spa (including the dark maze) which opens about 4pm, but I was able to use the small pool with boyfriends during the day.

Very late evening in the vicinity of the Dongtan Gay beach - Jomtien. I’ve not tried it there for years. Also in Pattaya Pratamack Park near the Big Buddha during the evening after the joggers have gone. Can’t vouch for it now.

I have taken boys from Winner in Sunee back to my hotel in the Complex by motor bike taxi “three Up”. A 10 minute blast of night air !

Yes Vessey I think you are right. The remaining gogos are now back to pre-Covid in as far as boy’s dress. They are now back to skimpy shorts or even jocks or g-strings so will feel the cold below say 25c. Better to run the ac to suit the boys, perhaps that way Winner will attract more to work there. The choice was limited when I visited a couple of months ago, but I accept things vary night to night and by the hour. The most attractive lads are sometimes offed before 10.00 pm.

Two more photos from the Winner Facebook site. The blonde boy in the first picture would be my choice for closer examination and a possible off. Never bothered with the ping pong balls - I have found placing tips in their shorts results in more fun.

Quite an achievement to stay in business for over 30 years. Few nightspots have lasted that long. I can’t think of a gay bar/gogo. Krazy Dragon in Sunee lasted a long time but is now only a memory.

The accounts of chuck-wow contests takes my memory back to my first visits to Sunee Plaza around year 2001. In particular the Kaos Gogo was the place for it where the “hat” was passed round for contributions following which naked boys (maybe 10 to 20) commenced wanking enthusiastically sometimes assisted by members of the audience. It seems the only survivor now of that scene is Nice Boys. I was in Pattaya a couple of months ago and visited NB twice looking for a boy LT for an off, ideally a top with slim rock hard equipment as these days I’m largely btm. . I didn’t off on either occasion. The first time there was few customers and little action just maybe a couple of guys playing with boys cocks and I only stayed for one beer. The second time I invited a rather attractive boy down to the bench where I tongue kissed him whilst wanking him for a fair while until a good load of cum spurted on the paper towel provided. I afterwards thought maybe I should have had him cum in my mouth but I’m not brave enough to do that in public - only in the loom. I tipped him twice - total of 400 plus a couple of boy drinks.

Interesting thread ! I’m now nearly fully converted to btm and look for well endowed guys after the first few days of my trips to Pattaya and Bkk during which I can only accommodate more slim cocks. But I dont like to think of myself as a size queen however maybe I am. looking at the previous posts I wound agree that it is accepted wisdom that Isaan guys have what we btm’s like but it is not always true, based on a very large sample over the last 20 years. Viewing pictures of awesome guys in this site’s photos folder I should go looking for Myanmar guys in the Saphan Kwai shops. Another thought I have is that i should head for Rio based on sydneyboy1’s advice. I’m not one for trying to have sex whilst seated in gogo’s but I find a quick check of the boys assets is a good precaution before making the “off” decision, as is trying to explain my later requirements

Marc - sorry that’s a rather clumsy sentence I included in my post. To clarify : 1. I would say the number of sex workers (attractive or not) looking for business in Thai resorts has declined over the years due to better education and more job opportunities in manufacturing or tourism 2. has the attractiveness of Thai Guys declined ?. That’s an interesting question. As to their physical shape I would say probably yes. More consumption of Western food and less physical toil in the rice fields being responsible. As to their outlook on life, probably not. I still find them enjoyable to socialise with and their English language ability has on average improved over the years. Many boys with virtually zero English when commencing their careers in the sex industry make rapid progress and after six months are even able to conduct a conversation. Some ability in English is usually regarded as an asset by their farang customers, as few native English language speakers take the trouble to learn any Thai.

I’ve been visiting Thailand now for more than 20 years as a gay tourist and very much agree that its attractiveness for us has declined over those years. There are no statistics giving the numbers of gays and str but I’m sure the proportion of gays would be now a lot less than previously, which is reflected in the much reduced numbers of bars and gogos and the decline of the Pattaya gay beach. The scandal of under-age sex which surfaced in the years 2000 to 2005 was a major blow to Thai gay tourism and I think it still reverberates. The attractiveness of Thai boys and their availability has reduced considerably due to the availability of other economic options for them. I’ve never been to South America but that might change noting what Boy69 has just said. Before discovering LOS I spent my holidays in Spanish resorts like Playa del Ingles and Benidorm but the experience there was rather different with minimal commercial sex and I was a lot younger and considerably more attractive on the beaches there.

I’ve also seen boys advertising on Grindr and Romeo but have never responded. However over the years of visiting Pattaya I have I very occasionally had two boys in bed with me following “social” situations . For example one memorable time was when I offed a boy from Winner and returned to the Complex with him by motor bike taxi. Before going to my hotel I sat with him in a bar looking at the action having a drink, during which time my boy spotted a friend who had also worked in Winner previously who I invited to join us. They seemed to enjoy each others company and I found both to be attractive so I suggested that the friend joined us for the night, which was enthusiastically agreed to by both boys after I confirmed that both would receive an appropriate tip. That led to some of the best sex and fun I’ve ever had helped by the draining of a small bottle of scotch I had in the room.

Over the years of visiting LOS as a gay sex tourist I’ve occasionally retained boys for periods of up to a week. Trying to remember how much money I paid I recall on one occasion where it was 10k for 5 days/nights. But the cost was increased by presents of clothes, beachwear ( I like them to wear brief speedos) and phone costs. So the total cost would have been rather higher, particularly in the case of one particularly hottie I remember . I understand the point about the boredom factor of being with them 24/7 but that was mitigated by meeting friends who also had “boyfriends” or allowing daytime interaction with their friends. It would seem that currently the balance of supply/demand is in the boy’s favor.

Yep that’s him Billy I don’t know who took those pics, but seem to remember he had them posted on his Romeo account. My report on my meeting 9 years ago is still on the site section dealing with Romeo Grindr etc. pity we don’t see boys like him on the gay beach anymore.

Years ago when I stayed in BT I often spent the afternoons on the Dongtan Beach where in those days money boys were often to be found wanting action. They were not keen to travel to BT for short time , so on several occasions I took them to an ST room in the small Soi near the police box. I can’t remember the details cos it’s years ago. Another boy took me to his room in one of the older buildings in an soi off beach road. I wrote a report on one encounter for the section on this site which used to give information on boys members had enjoyed. It’s still there ! This is a boy I took to the room a couple of times. It’s not my picture but maybe long standing members will remember him