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I can almost feel the love building....
 
We will all be there, linking arms down BoyzTown, clutching our lighted candles and murmuring the refrain of 'Kumbaya' as the BoyzBoyzBoyz do their nightly parade. LOL

As some may know from previous posts, I was first inspired to visit Thailand from the white top/asian bottom themed porn site privateboymovie. One of the earliest vids I saw from that site (and one of my favorites) was the one featuring ‘Ice.’ For those interested in his work for that site, you can view previews and descriptions at this link:
 
http://www.privateboymovie.com/asian/?tag=ice
 
Here is how he is introduced on the site:
 
“Ice is yet another true bottom boy who love to get pounded hard in his ass. After stripping for the cameraman he gets his cock deep down his throat. But it easy to see that this guy take the true pleasure of getting the cock deep inside his ass, and hard ! Moaning and grunting while the cameraman fucked him in several positions, leaving that ass wide open. Finally after Ice cumming while fucked, he take the Cameraman’s load of cum in his mouth and he love it.”
 
Yeah, not the classiest thing I’ve ever read, but it is a porn site after all. I have to admit, after viewing the video, I was mesmerized. Ice was exactly my type—a slim Asian twink with a deliciously shaped bubble butt. I knew at the time that most of the models featured on the site were currently working in BKK and Pattaya, and Ice was one of a handful I had hoped to discover in real life. Luckily, with a little amateur sleuthing, it did not take me long to discover he was working at a bar in Sunee, though I can no longer recall which one. 
 
Still 19 at the time, we returned to my room, viewed his PBM video together, and essentially reenacted it scene-for-scene. [Yeah, yeah…a little pervy, but I was 26 at the time, freshly out of a long-term relationship, and looking to be a little decadent and self-indulgent]. It was probably one of the most stimulating sexual encounters of my life up until that time and probably would still make the Top 10 if such a quantitative ranking was even possible. 
 
Since then, Ice and I have maintained regular contact both when I am in the states and while in Thailand, and I have met up with him on at least one occasion on nearly every trip I have ever made to Pattaya (probably somewhere around 20 times over the years). And so to this lovely guy, who truly helped to educate a neophyte sex tourist, I present this tribute. Most of these pics are from the modeling he has done for PBM. The first set are originals from when he was 19, and the other set are from just a couple of years ago (now in his late 20’s). The last bunch are a few personal snapshots (shared with permission).
 


















 

I may sound pathetically old fashioned but fondling in open air bar, straight or gay should not be taking place , door were invented for a reason 

Talk to the boys themselves.  The most common complaint I hear from them is farang who only care about their own sexual gratification and, as far as the boys can tell, nothing else.  The boys feel like farang don't give the first shit about them and in far too many cases they're right.  The way they see it, many farang are only here to have themselves a nice, satisfying cum with boys they find attractive, and at the lowest possible price.  Again, in far too many cases they're right.
 
Some try to justify it by saying the boys are desperate for money and will accept 300 or 400 baht.  If anyone reading this is one of those, are you proud of yourself?  Does it make you feel good to do that?
 
Too many farang try to justify giving the boys paltry amounts because, as they see it, they're only prostitutes - just as if being a prostitute means they don't deserve to be well treated - and well paid - by their customers - unworthy of being treated decently as humans.  Maybe farang see them as prostitutes, with all the negative connotations, but the boys don't see themselves that way. Neither do I.  They're not here to be used and abused, but that's just what too many farang do.
 
Personally, I have a hell of a lot more respect for those "only prostitutes" than I have for the farang customers who treat them that way.  I have no respect for those kinds of farang at all.
 
If giving these boys decent money for what they're doing for you is really going to cause you major financial difficulties and you need to save money, try eating less expensive dinners - without the goddam wine.  Try having fewer drinks.  Save money that way.  But trying to save money by lowballing the boys?  I see no justification for that no matter what the excuse for it might be.

I asked my partner of twelve years- an ex-money boy in Pattaya- about this  very issue three weeks ago when I was in Thailand.
Specifically, I asked how much he would pay a  a guy from Planet Romeo or Hornet if he were to arrange a meeting at our hotel.
His answer was definitive; 1000 bht.
I taxed him on this; he's thirty-three and very attractive. Surely, I said, someone who looks like you wouldn't have to pay the same as an ageing falang? surely the guys on Hornet et al would be happy to accept a lower amount from you?
His answer was much the same as Firecat's; the guys are making money to pay rent ,pay for food and often to send money home.
 
"Fun" doesn't pay the rent..
 
I've learnt a lot about his two years in Pattaya. He is now doing well financially in the north of the country but being the guy that I love, he has an understanding of the situation our Pattaya friends are in. He finds the concept of under-paying distasteful and alien to his religious beliefs.....however cute we think we are. Or in my case, not at all.
 
At the same time, he speaks with some affection of those years. In particular, he's grateful for the comradeship; the way the bar-boys looked after each other. Those who'd been successful one night would buy dinner for his friends, they'd borrow money in extremis- in general terms  they'd look after each other. Particularly newbies.
 
He would appreciate Firecat's comments. He speaks from experience. And my own two decades of visiting support him.

I can't believe you are asking this question. You post on other Forums and you have experience in Thailand .  I also believe and forgive me if I am wrong, that you are younger then most Gay Sex Tourist visitors and that you are African American.
 
Both things that some boys may find attractive and I believe I have read posts that you rarely actually have to pay.
 
Lucky you ,and I have no problem with that .  When a boy offers you free sex you would be a fool not to accept it in Thailand or anywhere else.
 
When we (at least me)  talk about minimum tips in this Forum it is meant when the Sex Tourist goes into a Bar or online and offers 300 baht . IMHO that is unacceptable.
 
 
In Low season I am sure some boys have residents they go to when they are hungry or rent is due and offer to have Sex for a lower price.  That is their choice and is probably a good thing. In my dream world I would hope the resident would be more generous but again that is boys choice.
 
Vinapu will try to say I am parsing my words that if it is acceptable in one situation , it is acceptable in the reverse. We will agree to disagree.  Most of my comments about acceptable minimum tips in this thread have been directed at Sex Tourists. Men who like most on this Board who spend thousands of whatever currency to travel to Thailand in order to have Sex with types they could never have in their home country or if they could would be at least 5x as much per encounter.
 
IMHO those tourists should recognize that the only reason they come to Thailand again and again is not for the food or the temples or the religion but for Cheap Sex with boys much younger then themselves.
 
So it should not be hard to pay what 95% of visitors know are the minimum acceptable tips.
 
Yes it irritates me when posters with limited knowledge post ridiculous assertions that boys can easily make 24,000 per month and save 720,000 over 6 years. It irritates me when someone believes the biggest liars in Asia and that would be Mamasans and waiters in GoGo Bars.
 
Those facts and many others are available on this and other Forums for people who want to ask and feel the real answers.
 
It irritates me when members say that that many boys have fancy cars and motorcycles when they don't know what they are talking about.  Those type of members need to visit a boys room and see how he lives in order to make some money and send some home to the family.  They need to understand that when a boy is lucky enough to get a generous Farang that they share that good fortune with their friends who may have not made a single baht in a week.
 
Yes there are boys who waste their good fortune on phones etc but they really are the minority and most of them try to be generous with their friends and especially their families.
 
I read Michaels post with the understanding that he always has been one of the most generous farangs towards the boys from the time he had a house full of boys and I do mean full until the time he became satisfied with his BF. Well sort of. HeHe
 
Michaels most insightful sentence was that his BF finally believed he would not leave him for a Hotter , Younger Boy.
 
This kind of relationship happens but it is rare because for every Michael I can name 10 who swept their boy away and took them all over the world and then sent them home with nothing after they got tired of them.

Thank-you that was an inspiring post, one of the best I have read on this forum!

sex wise I think you can but I'd still be waiting until you are in the room and see how things are developing.
 
this is why you should sit with boy, have a drink or even dinner with him to give you chance to feel him up and for him to feel you too , not only in physical sense but  as a personality
 
First time in Thailand? Of course not , you were few times before but somehow never tried Thai boys because you were travelling with your girlfriend, coworkers or even mom.
 
I would not recommend to pick up your first boy or even boys on first few days based on website or other pictorials. Boy  you will see in flesh may not look like one you imagined by the photos only
 
Just go there, see what is available , who is looking and smiling at you and go from there.
 
If inclined don't pay any attention to what you read her  about any establishment or a boy. We are reflecting our own experiences which may or may not mirror yours. Go with your guts, we will be happy to comment ' did not we tell you?" but also happy to read that you were glad you did not listen to us, went to say,  Jupiter offed this boy and he landed you in paradise  on another hand.
 
Out of three massage places mentioned I'd recommend Arena, exactly for reason mentioned above, you will be close to boys and you will be able to size them out better.
 
But for your first massage experience I'd rather steer you to soi Twilight where you have Bonny's and Bangkok Massage with boys sitting outside. You may park yourself in a restaurant across /Maxi's / or beside / Dick's/ and survey boys over a drink undisturbed.
 
By the way, it's recommended that you don't eat about 2 hours before massage so go for it before dinner
 
 
You are in for a ball anyways 

I have a great deal of friends in NYC who were escorts when they were younger.  The simple truth is that the business is all about fucking.  If you use an escort / moneyboy / hooker / prostitute don't fall in love and expect them to fall in love with you.  It is a business for them and any relationship that starts with money will always be about money.
 
Money is the thing that makes the world go round.  It is the reason many come to Thailand.  They can easily get in LOS what they can't in their own country. That is a semblance of a relationship with a younger guy. We all want to have love in our life and the boys want the same.  Often, they are content just knowing that someone cares so much about them that they will forgo the problems that the relationship has to maintain that sense of being loved. 
 
My very long term boy knows that I love him.  He knows that I am his rock.  He knows that I want his happiness.  He knows that when I buy him things that I expect him to take care of them.  Often I am disappointed as he will sell for Mama but when that happens, he does not get anything like that item again. He has learned over the years that there are limitations and boundaries.
 
When we were first together, I think I bought him at least 5 or 10 phones.  At least 3 or 4 motorbikes.  I showered him with everything I thought he desired.  Instead, he just wanted to know I would not leave him for someone younger, cuter or fresh.  When he became comfortable in the fact that I wanted him long term, his entire perception changed for the better.  He still fucks up from time to time as do I.  But, he knows that the fuck ups have a cost and they now come very rarely. 
 
The conversation in this thread has been truly wonderful to read.  I have thoroughly enjoyed it.  Firecat knows a great deal about the moneyboy scene in Thailand as he has been around the block a few times.  Vinapu is quickly making up ground on him and living his life wonderfully when he visits this great place.  Others involved in this conversation have given me a lot to ponder and think about.
 
For new people reading this thread, just know that paying the going rate is fine.  Paying more is fine.  Showering boys with gifts is fine.  Being a cheap charlie isn't fine. But, like everything in this thread, that is just my opinion.  Also, for those reading know that sometimes, not often, but sometimes you meet a boy that really changes you and helps you and is kind to you and will do anything he can do for you.  That may not be love, but it is damn close and that experience is totally worth all the failed relationships ones has in this amazing place! So, in the end, a few gifts that were irrelevant to me, meant a great deal to him and his family.  Now, life goes one.  I wake up beside him each day.  I laugh with him every day.  And, when we go to bed at night, he always gives me a kiss and says, "thank you." Goodness, I love Thailand!

Being 50:50 I can look across both sides of the fence. I would say that the fees and tips for the boys are still more than advantageous compared to girls prices from the Walking Street/LK Metro agogs.

There is considerable variation in the agogo prices of course, but bar-fines can often be in excess of 1k baht, and for some of the showgirls considerably more, but often cheaper after 1am.
 
And whereas an average for agogo girls for ST tips might be 2k baht and for LT 3k baht, there are many that ask and get quite a bit more. Indeed 3k ST and 5k LT are being regularly asked by some of the more popular girls.
 
As ever Beer Bar girls and freelances are usually significantly lower. In Soi 6, for example, the barfine (including use of room above) is 300 baht and the girl's tip 1k baht. 
 
Where the boy bars/agogos seem to 'win' at the moment is drink prices (especially boy drink prices) which seem somewhat higher than most of their girl equivalents.
 
I feel more forgiving of higher drink prices at places like BBB and XBoys where at least you get a decent cock-show in compensation, but not for places like Toy Boys that charge the same without any real show.

You will have a great adventure.  Be sure to tell guys that it is your first time.  They know what they're doing and can suit things to your needs.
 
Good luck

Never really measured the time of actual sex, but like others said it varies with the guy and what we like to to. Can be hot steamy and quick, or prolonged with lots of kissing etc (which I love). I had one good friend (Thai) once fuck me I think for 45 minutes, during which I went from hard to soft to hard again and finally cum, at which point he came too, incredible stamina and control. With this same guy I also had a 24-hour-experience like cdnmatt, which was one of the best I've ever had. There was this unskpoken closeness we both enjoyed immensely and which was better than any sex ever can be...
 
 
 
 
 
Couldn't agree more!

Yes absolutely, I have a little 'friend' who works in a small massage shop behind Tukom. Seven or eight boys in the shop and somedays in low season they only have two or three customers in total all day - he often shows me the 'book' they are marked down on.
 
On the days when he is one of the lucky ones, he contributes to the communal feed in the evening.

That so depends - even on an 'average'.
 
If I am having a basic ST, then its all about passion and sexual urgency with sweaty, horny sex and it can be all washed-up and concluded within the hour. My sessions with a boy I know in Toy Boys can take even less time - we can both cum in about 20 minutes - but they can be a pretty exhausting 20 minutes - especially for me at my age.
 
On the other hand if they are staying with me overnight, then it can be more relaxed, with lots of play and cuddling, with small breaks to pee (him), or get a breather (me) and can extend an hour or two before our balls empty. Same in the morning, gently wake-up, stroking, kissing and foreplay before a further round to build an appetite for breakfast. 

That so depends - even on an 'average'.
 
If I am having a basic ST, then its all about passion and sexual urgency with sweaty, horny sex and it can be all washed-up and concluded within the hour. My sessions with a boy I know in Toy Boys can take even less time - we can both cum in about 20 minutes - but they can be a pretty exhausting 20 minutes - especially for me at my age.
 
On the other hand if they are staying with me overnight, then it can be more relaxed, with lots of play and cuddling, with small breaks to pee (him), or get a breather (me) and can extend an hour or two before our balls empty. Same in the morning, gently wake-up, stroking, kissing and foreplay before a further round to build an appetite for breakfast. 

Shower 10 minutes
Foreplay 5 minutes
Sex 10 minutes
Shower 10 minutes
 
35 minutes until out the door and I can get back to reading my book.
 
If the boy is really good, the shower can meet all 4 of the requirements and he can be in and out in under 15 minutes.  The good part of that is I get to read an extra few chapters that night.   I'm happy and he gets paid and can go back to bar for another off.

Kindness with benefits! LOL - actually a really useful thought for those times when my holiday diary starts to look a little over-crowded.

Some really great advice here already, 
 
I am now 60, I am overweight /chubby, and I am still fighting them off with a stick when I go over there.  I want their bodies, they want my baht. 
 
Get to Pattaya, take in the sights, smile a lot, buy a few drinks (but don't throw your money around), and the magic will happen for sure.
 
One gentle word of caution, you sound like you could be emotionally vulnerable. It is all too easy to fall in love with your 'first' guy. These guys know how to make you feel good (not just sexually), but emotionally, so you need to make sure your head keeps a little control over your heart and your cock.
 
I made that 'mistake' on my first trip to Pattaya, I was by no means a virgin, but I had separated from my partner of many years and had spent a lonely few years feeling both unloved and unlovable. Result was that  I barfined the first dancer in the first agogo I went into on my first night in town and stayed with them for my whole holiday. I had a great time, but left Thailand in tears and in love - it didn't last of course.
 
Look at it like a trip to Adult Disneyland where dreams and fantasies can be fulfilled, but its not really reality, reality is the plane ride home and working and saving for your next trip, for Pattaya is an addiction, and you will be back again! LOL
 
I shall be there in the latter part of August, so if you need a wingman for a night - send me a PM.

Being 50:50 I can look across both sides of the fence. I would say that the fees and tips for the boys are still more than advantageous compared to girls prices from the Walking Street/LK Metro agogs.

There is considerable variation in the agogo prices of course, but bar-fines can often be in excess of 1k baht, and for some of the showgirls considerably more, but often cheaper after 1am.
 
And whereas an average for agogo girls for ST tips might be 2k baht and for LT 3k baht, there are many that ask and get quite a bit more. Indeed 3k ST and 5k LT are being regularly asked by some of the more popular girls.
 
As ever Beer Bar girls and freelances are usually significantly lower. In Soi 6, for example, the barfine (including use of room above) is 300 baht and the girl's tip 1k baht. 
 
Where the boy bars/agogos seem to 'win' at the moment is drink prices (especially boy drink prices) which seem somewhat higher than most of their girl equivalents.
 
I feel more forgiving of higher drink prices at places like BBB and XBoys where at least you get a decent cock-show in compensation, but not for places like Toy Boys that charge the same without any real show.

I certainly think it's a good idea too.  I should have posted it long ago.  I hope it's an idea that catches on.  The boys will love you for it and it means a hell of a lot more to them than an expensive telephone - which they're likely to end up losing, breaking, selling, or somebody steals it.  Or gold - which they're likely to end up selling or somebody steals it.
 
I used to give things like that to boys once in awhile.  And I always ended up regretting it.
 
Probably, no matter what happens to those things, sooner or later they'll forget who even gave it to them.  But a chance to go home and be with the family, along with having a good amount of spending money too - they're not going to forget that - not ever.  And that's something I've never regretted doing.
 
Another thought - if need be, it's also a good way to get rid of a boy for awhile . . .

Now I am in Pattaya and have experienced the follow:
 
Boy-Boy-Boy
1. Off fee = 500
2. Tip for boy = 2000-3000
 
A Bomb, Toy Boy, and Xboys:
1. Off fee = 400
2. Tip for boy = 1500
 
This is low season. Those of you who are CURRENTLY in Pattaya, are you experiencing the same price rates?
 
I was in Pattaya last year so I am not interested in previous rates, just the CURRENT ONES.

Some really great advice here already, 
 
I am now 60, I am overweight /chubby, and I am still fighting them off with a stick when I go over there.  I want their bodies, they want my baht. 
 
Get to Pattaya, take in the sights, smile a lot, buy a few drinks (but don't throw your money around), and the magic will happen for sure.
 
One gentle word of caution, you sound like you could be emotionally vulnerable. It is all too easy to fall in love with your 'first' guy. These guys know how to make you feel good (not just sexually), but emotionally, so you need to make sure your head keeps a little control over your heart and your cock.
 
I made that 'mistake' on my first trip to Pattaya, I was by no means a virgin, but I had separated from my partner of many years and had spent a lonely few years feeling both unloved and unlovable. Result was that  I barfined the first dancer in the first agogo I went into on my first night in town and stayed with them for my whole holiday. I had a great time, but left Thailand in tears and in love - it didn't last of course.
 
Look at it like a trip to Adult Disneyland where dreams and fantasies can be fulfilled, but its not really reality, reality is the plane ride home and working and saving for your next trip, for Pattaya is an addiction, and you will be back again! LOL
 
I shall be there in the latter part of August, so if you need a wingman for a night - send me a PM.

Some really great advice here already, 
 
I am now 60, I am overweight /chubby, and I am still fighting them off with a stick when I go over there.  I want their bodies, they want my baht. 
 
Get to Pattaya, take in the sights, smile a lot, buy a few drinks (but don't throw your money around), and the magic will happen for sure.
 
One gentle word of caution, you sound like you could be emotionally vulnerable. It is all too easy to fall in love with your 'first' guy. These guys know how to make you feel good (not just sexually), but emotionally, so you need to make sure your head keeps a little control over your heart and your cock.
 
I made that 'mistake' on my first trip to Pattaya, I was by no means a virgin, but I had separated from my partner of many years and had spent a lonely few years feeling both unloved and unlovable. Result was that  I barfined the first dancer in the first agogo I went into on my first night in town and stayed with them for my whole holiday. I had a great time, but left Thailand in tears and in love - it didn't last of course.
 
Look at it like a trip to Adult Disneyland where dreams and fantasies can be fulfilled, but its not really reality, reality is the plane ride home and working and saving for your next trip, for Pattaya is an addiction, and you will be back again! LOL
 
I shall be there in the latter part of August, so if you need a wingman for a night - send me a PM.

Bangkok offers the best mix of the sights and sex. Pattaya is cheaper and great for the sex but light on the culture. Of course you could always do both depending on how long you are going for. My first trip I had a guide for a couple of days from http://bkktour.info/. Saved me a ton of time and money and let me familiarise myself with Bangkok.
 
For the sex, there really isn't much chance to it if you choose a massage place or go go bar. For my first time I would probably choose one of the massage places that gears more to sex. It's quite simple, go in, sit down, pick a guy and have a massage. Try not to go for the cutest guy you can see if he isn't paying attention to you. Rule of thumb is that if a guy interacts with you, smiles, catches your eye, then he will be more interactive in the massage. If you are top only, you may want to mention you want a bottom to the captain. Most of the boys can top so if you are a bottom or versatile you can go with the flow. Try to resist escalating things too quickly, simply enjoy the experience and when you are ready for things to heat up simply start touching or caressing his leg or elsewhere. He will get the message. The price for the massage and minimum tip will be told to you at the start. If the boy is good then 50% over minimum is reasonable.
 
Most of all, have fun with it. There's a temptation to over think things. In Thailand, sex is a commodity. You have money, they have a great body. You are giving them something they want, they are giving you something you want.

My big step came at the ripe old age of 41, I was curious (very curious) as to what it would be like to have sex with another guy so one trip to Phuket I decided to bite the bullet. My first was at a massage place in the Paradise complex, was a unisex place but I chose to have the massage by guy and I was nervous as hell as we went up to the massage area, it was just one of those places with curtains so if anything was to happen it needed to be quiet. He gave a good massage that relaxed me really well and afterwards I just asked if he liked my hardon and he said "of course I'm gay", after that we agreed on a price and he gave me the very best blow job I had ever had (up until then).
 
I had then started to enjoy the gay massages and on subsequent trips my curiosity deepened and I wanted to try other things, after one disappointing episode I didn't let it get me down and I now am enjoying it all so much more. Being nervous was always the killer for me and I would chicken out at the last minute but once I decided to have that first gay massage and went up with the guy it all started to change. It still took a long time for me to break down some nervousness / bashfulness when going to the gay massage shops in Bangkok to ask up front for what I really wanted which was a boy that is a top so that I could really enjoy my time.
 
If I had to do it all over again I would definitely go to a gay massage shop for the first time and then work my way up from there