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Caveat emptor. I've said this before , but here goes....
In this game, the buyer always takes a risk. I recall taking guys back to the hotel after enjoying all sorts of clandestine festivities and salacious hints in the bar, captivated by  their  good looks and apparent willingness. And then, even walking back along Surawong or wherever, noticing a distinct change in attitude. Less accommodating, you could say. This followed by doing the absolute basics in the room, collecting the money (once or twice even neglecting to shower)  before rushing back to the bar for assignation number two. Or three.
Even the most experienced of us cannot be sure.  As for today's market, I am certainly aware of old photos being used on- line. Inaccurate descriptions, promised activities denied and much else. Sometimes, it has to be admitted, by falangs  themselves.... or so I'm told.
And my answer is always the same. It's part of the game; live with it and  "move on" to the next guy. He may turn out to be a stunner....or even a life partner!
Punters should also remember that the guys themselves take risks. Is this kindly  falang in the photo or the bar a wannabee Hannibal Lector? will  he demand activities I don't like? will he pay what I need? or what I was promised? will he even be clean?
if you play the game, you must accept that occasionally- in my experience very rarely- you will sometimes lose or have to be satisfied with a draw.

Caveat emptor. I've said this before , but here goes....
In this game, the buyer always takes a risk. I recall taking guys back to the hotel after enjoying all sorts of clandestine festivities and salacious hints in the bar, captivated by  their  good looks and apparent willingness. And then, even walking back along Surawong or wherever, noticing a distinct change in attitude. Less accommodating, you could say. This followed by doing the absolute basics in the room, collecting the money (once or twice even neglecting to shower)  before rushing back to the bar for assignation number two. Or three.
Even the most experienced of us cannot be sure.  As for today's market, I am certainly aware of old photos being used on- line. Inaccurate descriptions, promised activities denied and much else. Sometimes, it has to be admitted, by falangs  themselves.... or so I'm told.
And my answer is always the same. It's part of the game; live with it and  "move on" to the next guy. He may turn out to be a stunner....or even a life partner!
Punters should also remember that the guys themselves take risks. Is this kindly  falang in the photo or the bar a wannabee Hannibal Lector? will  he demand activities I don't like? will he pay what I need? or what I was promised? will he even be clean?
if you play the game, you must accept that occasionally- in my experience very rarely- you will sometimes lose or have to be satisfied with a draw.

Caveat emptor. I've said this before , but here goes....
In this game, the buyer always takes a risk. I recall taking guys back to the hotel after enjoying all sorts of clandestine festivities and salacious hints in the bar, captivated by  their  good looks and apparent willingness. And then, even walking back along Surawong or wherever, noticing a distinct change in attitude. Less accommodating, you could say. This followed by doing the absolute basics in the room, collecting the money (once or twice even neglecting to shower)  before rushing back to the bar for assignation number two. Or three.
Even the most experienced of us cannot be sure.  As for today's market, I am certainly aware of old photos being used on- line. Inaccurate descriptions, promised activities denied and much else. Sometimes, it has to be admitted, by falangs  themselves.... or so I'm told.
And my answer is always the same. It's part of the game; live with it and  "move on" to the next guy. He may turn out to be a stunner....or even a life partner!
Punters should also remember that the guys themselves take risks. Is this kindly  falang in the photo or the bar a wannabee Hannibal Lector? will  he demand activities I don't like? will he pay what I need? or what I was promised? will he even be clean?
if you play the game, you must accept that occasionally- in my experience very rarely- you will sometimes lose or have to be satisfied with a draw.

Caveat emptor. I've said this before , but here goes....
In this game, the buyer always takes a risk. I recall taking guys back to the hotel after enjoying all sorts of clandestine festivities and salacious hints in the bar, captivated by  their  good looks and apparent willingness. And then, even walking back along Surawong or wherever, noticing a distinct change in attitude. Less accommodating, you could say. This followed by doing the absolute basics in the room, collecting the money (once or twice even neglecting to shower)  before rushing back to the bar for assignation number two. Or three.
Even the most experienced of us cannot be sure.  As for today's market, I am certainly aware of old photos being used on- line. Inaccurate descriptions, promised activities denied and much else. Sometimes, it has to be admitted, by falangs  themselves.... or so I'm told.
And my answer is always the same. It's part of the game; live with it and  "move on" to the next guy. He may turn out to be a stunner....or even a life partner!
Punters should also remember that the guys themselves take risks. Is this kindly  falang in the photo or the bar a wannabee Hannibal Lector? will  he demand activities I don't like? will he pay what I need? or what I was promised? will he even be clean?
if you play the game, you must accept that occasionally- in my experience very rarely- you will sometimes lose or have to be satisfied with a draw.

I know a lot of guys here, like just letting the guy in the hotel without asking for ID. Even when they don't ask, I have the front desk do it....just a layer of protection, because then your "guest" know we know who he really is, his "stage" name or whatever moniker is stripped away, not to mention assuring he is of age.....I do this in Brasil too.

Alas! the  lift-guy at Tarntawan, for whom I'd long had the hots, departed a few years ago when there were many staff-changes following the change of ownership. He'd been there for years and, like others, was very upset to leave. The lift is unmanned nowadays.
However, returning to the theme of the thread, I concur with the advice of others. The key is finding guys who fancy each other but are not close friends. Guys from two different bars may be a better bet.
My experience was pre-dating app; I  summoned-up the courage to achieve a long-held desire, taking a couple from Sunee who were friends at a  host bar. They lay  either side of me, each taking it in turn to pleasure me but never touched each other. It was embarrassing.
Never again.
 

I appreciate the variety on this site, just as I enjoy the variety of experiences offered by my many (eighty plus) trips to Thailand. I suspect that, were reports from bars the only content, I'd be  an occasional visitor only and not a contributor.
But they're not. We explore issues that are more applicable to the wonderful times I spend there...tourism and hotels, eating-out, travel, culture, history Including that of the gay scene, politics and the joys and tribulations of relationships with our beautiful hosts.
Regarding that final one, this is the only forum on which I can discuss my own relationship openly and without provoking rancour. And that's precious to me.
 

Not to mention MK and its dancing waiters.

I appreciate the variety on this site, just as I enjoy the variety of experiences offered by my many (eighty plus) trips to Thailand. I suspect that, were reports from bars the only content, I'd be  an occasional visitor only and not a contributor.
But they're not. We explore issues that are more applicable to the wonderful times I spend there...tourism and hotels, eating-out, travel, culture, history Including that of the gay scene, politics and the joys and tribulations of relationships with our beautiful hosts.
Regarding that final one, this is the only forum on which I can discuss my own relationship openly and without provoking rancour. And that's precious to me.
 

I appreciate the variety on this site, just as I enjoy the variety of experiences offered by my many (eighty plus) trips to Thailand. I suspect that, were reports from bars the only content, I'd be  an occasional visitor only and not a contributor.
But they're not. We explore issues that are more applicable to the wonderful times I spend there...tourism and hotels, eating-out, travel, culture, history Including that of the gay scene, politics and the joys and tribulations of relationships with our beautiful hosts.
Regarding that final one, this is the only forum on which I can discuss my own relationship openly and without provoking rancour. And that's precious to me.
 

Things aren't so clear-cut in rural areas where  there remain plenty of closeted guys fearing exposure to families. 

I appreciate the variety on this site, just as I enjoy the variety of experiences offered by my many (eighty plus) trips to Thailand. I suspect that, were reports from bars the only content, I'd be  an occasional visitor only and not a contributor.
But they're not. We explore issues that are more applicable to the wonderful times I spend there...tourism and hotels, eating-out, travel, culture, history Including that of the gay scene, politics and the joys and tribulations of relationships with our beautiful hosts.
Regarding that final one, this is the only forum on which I can discuss my own relationship openly and without provoking rancour. And that's precious to me.
 

I appreciate the variety on this site, just as I enjoy the variety of experiences offered by my many (eighty plus) trips to Thailand. I suspect that, were reports from bars the only content, I'd be  an occasional visitor only and not a contributor.
But they're not. We explore issues that are more applicable to the wonderful times I spend there...tourism and hotels, eating-out, travel, culture, history Including that of the gay scene, politics and the joys and tribulations of relationships with our beautiful hosts.
Regarding that final one, this is the only forum on which I can discuss my own relationship openly and without provoking rancour. And that's precious to me.
 

I appreciate the variety on this site, just as I enjoy the variety of experiences offered by my many (eighty plus) trips to Thailand. I suspect that, were reports from bars the only content, I'd be  an occasional visitor only and not a contributor.
But they're not. We explore issues that are more applicable to the wonderful times I spend there...tourism and hotels, eating-out, travel, culture, history Including that of the gay scene, politics and the joys and tribulations of relationships with our beautiful hosts.
Regarding that final one, this is the only forum on which I can discuss my own relationship openly and without provoking rancour. And that's precious to me.
 

that impression may come from fact that people are reporting what they think  may interest readers here, omitting all those shopping trips, dentist visits , church attendances , restaurant meals and aimless wandering through Chinatown steets just for fun of it .
My guess will be not many takers are here for detailed description of haircutting, nail clipping and choosing between Chang and Singha at 7/11, no ?

Things aren't so clear-cut in rural areas where  there remain plenty of closeted guys fearing exposure to families. 

Anyone remember the glossy tourist freebies that were available in hotels a couple of decades ago? The adverts for escorts- female ones- included not only alluring photos but lists of the names of models available. They included famous Hollywood actresses and singers, Madonna, for example. I wonder if any punters were disappointed when they opened their doors?
Perhaps a similar, if less outrageous element of exaggeration (or wishful thinking) is at work here?

He is a Jew and does not want to be wished Marry Christmas on the birthday of the Prince of Peace. Fair enough. His choice, but also his loss, because I can think of few things more idiotic than barking at someone for wishing you for a holiday. So, it's just as well that you won't be sending him greetings.
Still, I assume that he is happy to get 50% of most items during the Christmas season. Probably stocks-up on a year's supply of loo paper at Christmas time.
Merry Christmas Everyone!

Old Daddy is right. And it's a shame. I also liked Baht-Stop;  it was very different to other forums, more political, and that interested me. I learnt a lot about Thai politics from a few posters and was able- I can claim- to offer an unusual perspective on Palestine since I was spending a lot of time there in the early 2000s. 
The only explanation I can offer for the decline is that there are  fewer gay visitors to Thailand than twenty years ago. Furthermore, there may be  less interest, perhaps, in "literary" communication and (here's  shot in the dark!) the gradual replacement of lap-tops by phones and the consequent increased difficulty of posting more than slogans -at least for me- has contributed.

To be fair to such as I, it's not a boast; it merely reflects the fact that those of us who are now in LTRs prefer  activities that both parties can share and enjoy.  It recognises one of the positives of Pattaya and Bangkok, that  even when those activities which gave such immense pleasure over the first ten years of my visits are no longer part of my experience, there is still much on offer that  can  enjoy together.

To be fair to such as I, it's not a boast; it merely reflects the fact that those of us who are now in LTRs prefer  activities that both parties can share and enjoy.  It recognises one of the positives of Pattaya and Bangkok, that  even when those activities which gave such immense pleasure over the first ten years of my visits are no longer part of my experience, there is still much on offer that  can  enjoy together.

Old Daddy is right. And it's a shame. I also liked Baht-Stop;  it was very different to other forums, more political, and that interested me. I learnt a lot about Thai politics from a few posters and was able- I can claim- to offer an unusual perspective on Palestine since I was spending a lot of time there in the early 2000s. 
The only explanation I can offer for the decline is that there are  fewer gay visitors to Thailand than twenty years ago. Furthermore, there may be  less interest, perhaps, in "literary" communication and (here's  shot in the dark!) the gradual replacement of lap-tops by phones and the consequent increased difficulty of posting more than slogans -at least for me- has contributed.

To be fair to such as I, it's not a boast; it merely reflects the fact that those of us who are now in LTRs prefer  activities that both parties can share and enjoy.  It recognises one of the positives of Pattaya and Bangkok, that  even when those activities which gave such immense pleasure over the first ten years of my visits are no longer part of my experience, there is still much on offer that  can  enjoy together.

To be fair to such as I, it's not a boast; it merely reflects the fact that those of us who are now in LTRs prefer  activities that both parties can share and enjoy.  It recognises one of the positives of Pattaya and Bangkok, that  even when those activities which gave such immense pleasure over the first ten years of my visits are no longer part of my experience, there is still much on offer that  can  enjoy together.

Old Daddy is right. And it's a shame. I also liked Baht-Stop;  it was very different to other forums, more political, and that interested me. I learnt a lot about Thai politics from a few posters and was able- I can claim- to offer an unusual perspective on Palestine since I was spending a lot of time there in the early 2000s. 
The only explanation I can offer for the decline is that there are  fewer gay visitors to Thailand than twenty years ago. Furthermore, there may be  less interest, perhaps, in "literary" communication and (here's  shot in the dark!) the gradual replacement of lap-tops by phones and the consequent increased difficulty of posting more than slogans -at least for me- has contributed.