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Since I left Bangkok in the second week of March, my thinking about this has evolved a lot. I wore a facemask for the first time during my taxi ride to the airport and on the flights home (more out of courtesy to the flight attendants than worries of contracting the virus). But fast forward about 10 days, I began to view things differently after seeing it ravage through Italy. And a few weeks later, when it began to explode in New York, the impending doom was obvious.
I had intended to return to BKK in June but those flights have of course been cancelled. And although I still plan to make it back as soon as it’s feasible, this conversation has me thinking about my expectations. The biggest reason is to meet up with my regular guy who I’ve been with going on three years now. Everything else comes in a distant second. But I freely admit I’ve come to really enjoy the atmosphere of Patpong 2. The vibe is great and possibilities are endless. And when I return, whenever that might be, I hope to spend a lot of time there.
But when I think about what it may be like I get a bit apprehensive. I have no problem wearing a mask on the street but if they’re required in the bars or massage shops, I’d be inclined to take a pass. The workers have every right to expect customers—particularly foreigners--to wear one because we pose the greatest threat to them. And with at least a third asymptomatic, there’s absolutely no way to know one’s status for sure unless they’ve had a diagnostic or antibody test.
We have an obligation to respect the the well being of others and if that means I go without some of the finer experiences I've come to enjoy then it's the price I'm willing to pay,
As others have mentioned, finding guys you’ve known from the past may turn out to be the prudent way to go. It doesn’t eliminate the risks for ether party; it simply diminishes the odds.
Maybe a vaccine will set things back to normal (not the new normal), or as some predict maybe just time itself will resolve the matter. 
If someone said three months ago that we’d be discussing matters of ethics and moral philosophy here, few would have believed it. Back then the biggest item on the board was whether of not Babe would return to Moonlight.
Those were the days.

And the long-term consequences of the disease are only just beginning to be studied, and there are a lot of depressing reports about that.  
The people who think it can't affect them or that it's "just like the flu" are the ones who can become super-spreaders.  That's true for both customers and sex workers.  And, what the local guys seem to grasp more readily than many others is that it's not just about them, it's about the 10 people that they can infect, and so on.  I think that's something that is more natural for the local guys to be aware of because of the long-standing culture of wearing a mask -- to protect other people when you might not be feeling well.  Sadly, many Americans don't seem to be able to grasp this. (I won't comment on other nationalities.) 
When the tourists return, it is inevitable that some people with COVID-19 will get into the country.  Probably the same will be true for guys coming back from the provinces or the surrounding countries to work in the bars, etc.  I don't think anyone doubts that.  The hope is that with rigorous screening and contact tracing if cases do arise, the numbers can be kept low.  It's also up to everyone to do his little bit to help.  But Thailand is not going to be a COVID-19-free bubble.  
Admittedly, I have no idea how it's all going to work out practically.  Easy to provide fresh clean sheets and towels (and wash them after any guest leaves).  Will the scent of disinfectant start becoming something I associate with a sexual romp?  Should we all get those temp. reading guns and check each other for fevers before getting naked?  
Even if a guy has brushed his teeth and used mouthwash,  I swear I can usually taste the pad krapao he had for dinner, so I'm not so much a fan of kissing.  Easy to give that up.  My favorite sexual position(s) don't involve face-to-face, so that's a win for me.  If someone tells me we have to wear masks, well - if all those doctor visit fantasy porn or strangely-alluring porn vids of twinks having sex wearing dog masks have taught me anything, it's that it's still possible to have a good time with a mask.  I'm an open-minded chap and willing to learn.    [I truly hope it doesn't come to that.].  I wonder if the blow-job bars will install plastic partitions, or will glory holes become the newest old thing?
I can't decide whether a brothel bar or massage shop is likely to be safer than some random guy off of hornet.  The better massage shops I expect will have pretty serious cleaning regimens, but higher volume, of course.  I expect shops and the bars will be screening for temperature and keeping an eye on the health of the guys who work there.  
 
 

If you believe that then I have 1 Million Tablets of Hydroxychloroquine I can sell you. Highly recommend by a President who admits he is not a Doctor...  

I thought I'd skip that part
5. The Green Massage (2)
So the next day I went there again. The head/neck/shoulder massage great same same like yesterday.
I told the masseur to massage a tid softer, what he did.
After the 60 minutes we went upstairs and the masseur told me to shower.
They have proper rooms with a proper shower and a proper massage table with a hole (although I must say I almost prefer my head thai style on a pillow)
He was waiting somewhere outside the room and came back when I almost finished drying myself.
I laid down on the massage table and another 90 minutes of heaven began. He started with the back, then legs then arms.
When massaging the inner side of the upper legs, he incidentally touched my cock, not often enough to come to any decisive conclusion about the further course of the massage,
but often enough to make me slightly aroused.
When I turned around I was looking and smiling at him, he was smiling back and said "You like?".
That expression was new in his vocabulary, so far he only used "ok?", this must be "English for masseurs, level 2".
My answer was of course "yes" with an even bigger smile than before (yes also farangs can smile when the circumstances are favorable...).
He continued with the belly and the chest by making big circles with both hands, which I find extremly pleasant
and I must have been purring like a cat, and the "incidentally" slowly became an "obviously on purpose".
I started rubbing his belly and then put my hand under his shirt and felt his smooth skin. After a while I asked
"ok?" and he said "no", so I removed my hand again.
Maybe he misunderstood my question, because a minute later he took my hand and put it under his shirt again ...
Later he asked "Do you want me to come?". I'm not sure whether I was more suprised by the meaning of the sentence
or by his english skills, "English for masseurs, level 3", or is it all covered by "Survival english for masseurs" anyway?
Whatever, not in control of my mouth anymore, I answered "yes". He then mentioned quite a high figure and I agreed again.
Overpriced for sure, but it is like holding a drug in front of an addict and mentioning any price the addict will say yes...
Those guys for sure know how to extract the baht of us farangs but I really can't be mad at them. Later at home I also thought that those guys will probably face difficult
times in the next months so it is ok to overtip them.
Without going into further details, I must say I left the place very happy and for sure will make a visit there again on my next holiday, which under the current
cirmumstances unfortunately is unclear when that will be...

yeah....but..... WHO just said fatality rate for COVID-19 is 3.4%.  According to the LA Times, the fatality for regular seasonal flu last year was .15% in the U.S. (so possibly higher in some parts of the world??).  Even if regular flu has fatality rate of 1%, COVID-19 would by one measure - fatality rate - be quite a lot worse than the normal flu  Same LA Times article said that Spanish Flu fatality rate was 2.5%.  And I think people thought the Spanish Flu was really bad.  
Maybe the WHO number will come down.  It does seem that with testing being so inconsistent the "denominator" in the fatality fraction can't be that reliable.  We can hope.  https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-03-05/flu-killed-more-people-coronavirus-covid-19
When you play out the percentages into large populations, they become numbers of real human beings and it does seem that this is an area where we would rather avoid the deaths.  
I had a professor once who pointed out that in the U.S. if you really wanted to save lives, lower the speed limit.  Statistically it saves lives.  But no one cares about that.  Sometimes we care.  Sometimes we don't.

I'm glad to hear he is still there and at the same time sad to hear buys are going through bad times.
It looks it's good time to be there though as market forces are at work  and even star boys  are looking at Hunchbacks from Notre Dame and the like with smile. I wish I was retired - would be on the plane tonight with salvation mission. 

This was not meant as a trip report (I’m not sure if I’ll get around to write one for this trip), but it turned out to be as long as one. It is my reflection on my time with one of the boys during my recent trip.
If you’ve read my last two trip reports, I’ve been going on about adorable Myanmar boy from Screwboys. I first met him in December when I offed him for two consecutive nights but missed out to get his contact. In January, he has stopped working and was back in Myanmar. 
I was back in Bangkok over the last weekend, I have booked this trip even before my January trip. I am fortunate to be able to go to Bangkok so often, though I have not decided on my next trip. I am thinking of Songkran but rowdy crowds are not my thing. There is a whole thread here on the pros and cons on going during Songkran and now with the Covid-19 virus I’m still holding out. 
I’ve mostly gotten over missing Myanmar boy, so I was a little hesitant to seek him out again this trip. I knew there’s a high chance I’ll be disappointed and my feelings would be reignited. When I reached the hotel, I just thought to open Grindr as I know many boys who have left the bars would be freelancing. I saw Thai boy from Lucky boys, my off from January. He had messaged me on Line the week before that he was no longer working at Lucky boys as he had some issues with the bar. However, no Myanmar boy.
Naturally, Screwboys was my first stop that night. Chatty Lao friend saw me and I called him over. He knew it was only for a chat as with the previous two times. He updated that Myanmar boy was back in Bangkok, at this point I felt my heart skip a beat. He told me to try and message him directly, but I told him I did not have Myanmar boy’s contact. He was a little surprised. I told him to ask Myanmar boy if I could get his contact, but I think he missed this and I did not ask him further. He went on to sit with another customer. He recommended me another Lao boy from the line up who also happened to be Myanmar boy’s roommate, so I called him over some time later. I saw him messaging Myanmar boy on Facebook messenger. He showed me the profile with the same picture as last month. I would end up offing him. The next two days, I was mostly occupied and had plans with Cambodia Boy A. 
On Day 4, my second last day, I had to force myself up in the morning after the tiring past few days. I tried to hit up Grindr again, I haven’t opened it since my first night, with the sole purpose to see if Myanmar boy was on there. It felt like a miracle, but he was there, 66m away and online. I immediately messaged him to ask what time he was available. I did not have a profile picture so he did not know it was me. He finished work at 5 pm and was free to meet after. I told him he knew me and sent my picture. He then went on the typical I miss you, I want to meet you messages. We set our appointment at 7 pm. We had a small catch up through messages. He has changed day job and sent a selfie of him and his colleagues at his new job. I did not miss this chance to ask for his contact and he gave me his WeChat so I could contact him there. I could hardly contain my excitement then but I had to wait until evening.
At about 6.30pm, he messaged that he finished work and went back to his room to shower. He sent another selfie of himself. At 7pm, I left the hotel to walk around Patpong while waiting for him. He reached around 7.30 pm. Finally, I was reunited with him, I missed him a lot in the initial days from our first meeting in December. With reunions, as many have recounted their experiences here, it could go both ways. One might have repeated their encounter in their minds so many times that probably only the good parts stick. For my case, the reunion experience was even better than my initial one. 
On the way up to the room, he updated that he indeed went back to Myanmar last month and have renewed his work permit for another two years. I was happy for him. 
In bed, his sex drive was higher, him not working at a bar anymore was probably the reason. He did not need his porn twitter feed this time. But he did share it with me to show off his Lao friend, the boy I offed on the first night, whom he refers to as superstar. Lao boy had a few clips on one of the twitter accounts. I remembered mamasan mentioning this about him as well. My boy said that Lao boy was paid about 3000 – 5000 baht for one clip, I forgot the correct amount. 
After the session, he asked what my plans was and whether I was going to a bar to take a boy. At that point, I replied I was not sure yet, I wanted to walk around first. He then asked if I wanted to play pool (snooker) with him. I missed an opportunity to go out with him last time, so I said ok. We went to a place in Patpong, beside Dreamboy, where his friend was working. We had many rounds of games with two of his lady friends. After which, he again asked me if I wanted to take another boy that night. At that point, I have enjoyed his company both in and out of bed, I did not see a reason why I would need another boy. I told him I wanted to go to the bars or walk around but I would not take a boy.
He brought me to soi 4 W/Telephone bar. He wanted to check on his friend and neighbour in Myanmar who was working his first day there. He got the job there for his friend who had complained about being jobless in Myanmar. He mentioned the pay was about 200 baht per day as a waiter boy. My boy asked if he could order food, selfishly while I was enjoying my time I forgot about his dinner. We spent most of the time there teasing his friend. He told me his friend’s Thai was not that good so he sometimes could not understand customer’s request. Also, he was shy to sit with a customer. His friend was probably messaging my boy the whole time to update him since he started work that day. Seeing his personality and attitude, I think he would do ok there. My boy also chatted with most of the waiters and said hi to the singer dancer performing, apparently, he used to work there as a singer/dancer. We took our leave and walked the long way round back to Patpong 2, he said his secret to keeping slim after a meal.
He asked which boy bar I wanted to go, it was his night so I asked him to decide. He chose Hotmale where he wanted to see his friend. His friend was Thai and one of the three coyote dancers there that night. His friend was crazy hype and energetic with his dance and probably a little drunk. We had a good time with his friend and also one of the mamasan he knew, who was also probably recruiting him to the bar.
Since Hotmale closed at 1, I asked him to accompany me to another bar until closing time 2 am. He chose his former bar, Screwboys. He caught up with a mamasan, who was happy to see him. During the show, he told me that the ladyboy performer used to have a thing for him but he had to reject her, since he only liked boys. My usual mamasan who was away for the past three nights was supposed to be back that night, but was out drinking with a customer at Moonlight. She came back a while after and greeted me. She was slightly disappointed angry, not angry angry, at my boy as he pleadingly tried to make up with her. We left near closing time and she wished the best for me and wished for my boy to come back to work there.
I was not sure if my boy wanted to stay the night, I would not insist as I wanted him to be able to go to work the next day. He accompanied me back to my room. We had an intimate moment kissing, cuddling and chatting. He asked if I have a boyfriend back home. When I said no, he went on to say he really liked me and loved me. He asked if I wanted to be his boyfriend. He would not take other customers since he has a day job to sustain. In another life, I would have said yes. Also in a moment of lust and him being probably slightly drunk, I was not sure if he really meant it. Many thoughts went through my head but I told myself to stop and cherish that moment. I am a hopeless romantic and I chose to believe in love, with ulterior motives or not, I believe love comes in many forms. I do truly love him as well. But I cannot say yes and I did not say no. I told him not to stop anything for me. After that romantic moment passed, he asked if I wanted another round of sex as he had decided he wanted to go back to his room and go to work tomorrow. I declined, I was already satisfied emotionally that night. He tucked me into bed and left. 
The day after, I started missing him badly as I exchanged a few messages with him to say goodbye as I leave for the airport. It has been a few days and I still do think about him and look at his pictures. He has not messaged since I left, and I do not intend to do so either, it is my way of coping. I will contact him again if I’m going back to Bangkok, but I’ll want to go back only if he was around. 
I was reunited with adorable Myanmar boy and it was bittersweet.
 

I went to gay Sunday night at Maggie Choo one week ago and while I didn’t like the layout (the stage was so small and the audience couldn’t see the divas performing), I liked the vibe.
my Dancer Boyfriend was so excited because the stars of Dragrace Thailand were performing. I had not watched the show so I didn’t recognise any of them. But I must say when they came on to perform, their lip syncing and dance moves were fabulous!
Dancer Boyfriend and I arrived at 9.15pm by Grab car. Driver dropped off by the side entrance of Novotel hotel after navigating some dark side roads and we ran smack into a huge family of tourists from India in the hotel lobby. (Well, luckily they were not from China!) Dancer Boyfriend asked the hotel staff where Maggie Choo was and we quickly left hotel lobby.
past Maggie Choo’s door and down the stairs, we were greeted by two shirtless hunks and very friendly staff. As I had made reservation by Line, we got a small table for two next to a pillar opposite the bar. It had a direct view of the stage which was at the end of the hall but in the end, we couldn’t see much as people streamed in and formed a crowd around the stage.
500baht for two drinks was a reasonable price, I must say. Varied crowd - gay couples, Thais, Asian tourists, Farangs and about 20% ladies. I love the emcee - “welcome to maggie Choo. If it’s your first time, you must do 3 things - intoxicate, donate (to tips box) and participate.”
we caught the 10pm show. There was even an audience runway challenge. 5 participants were invited to do a runway catwalk. I tried to persuade dancer Boyfriend to volunteer. “I shy. My catwalk not good enough.” Nonsense! I have seen him dance and I knew he would win the challenge. Winner of the challenge took back a bottle of whisky. Dancer boyfriend’s eyes opened wide. “Next time we come here, you do catwalk and win that bottle whisky,” I said to him.
Both of us enjoyed the night. I pushed dancer Boyfriend to front of stage so that he could take videos of his favourite Dragrace Thailand contestants. I stayed at the table enjoying my cocktail as well as ogling at the two shirtless hunks on display. They went up to the cage directly above the bar. After the show, it was disco time. We ditched our table and danced with the crowd. Unfortunately, music was too “old” for Dancer Boyfriend. He prefers modern EDM (electronic dance music) so at 11 plus we adjourned for supper. Anyway, by 11, the place was packed.
here’s a photo of Dragrace Thailand season 2’s winner - Angele Anang. Her lipsynch is the best I have ever seen and she has a charismatic stage presence. Even though I prefer gay twinky boys, I must confess to developing an appreciation for the Ladyboy performers. Thanks @DivineMadman for the advice about reserving seats and arriving early.
 

What Spoon said.  
You may without embarrassment or worry ask any question you want.  The managers want to match you with the a right guy for you, so really you are helping them do their job.  Very infrequently there is a shop that might say "we don't answer that" - because they may be more a "legit-only" shop, but not to worry about that as far as VCK (V Club) or Gannymede, Prince, etc.
Also instead of asking about a particular guy you can tell them when you'll be in town and what you want and ask for recommendations.  ("I'm looking for a tall muscular top with a slightly left-turning cock and an interest French modern poetry." Stuff like that.)  They'll usually send a few photos of guys that meet the description.  If the guy you might have in mind isn't one they send you, you can ask "what about this guy."  
 

"some" ? I'd say a lot, after all we can wear only 1 shirt at the time and all others we have , be it 5, 15 or 25 will be still hanging in the closet non-productively . Usually we think reducing spending on this or that is impossible unless we really forced to, then all of the sudden it becomes not only possible  but even desired. Who needs new car when old one is running and reward for keeping it another year is Thai trip with massage and LT every day of such vacations.

I've been back from Brazil for over a week now and i'm ready to talk about the trip. I hope to do it a little different than I have given reports in the past.  I started a few reports but they became too wordy and i want to make this report more informational and less personal.              
I flew in from Philadelphia on American Airlines in economy.  The seats were better than expected and offered free entertainment.
The food was basic.  Breakfast was juice, fruit and yogart... 
Landing in Brazil was a breeze.  Going through customs was fast and easy and luggage showed up quickly.  Heading out to the main airport you pass drivers touting for customers.  The free wifi was spotty in the airport and my t-moblie service was frustrating until  I updated my service for 10 gigs of 3g for 10 days for $35 on the tmobile network.  It got me streaming video.  When i go back, i'll do it again.
I took $5,000 cash with me and some credit cards.  I changed $100 for local cash and I returned home with the remainder of the cash, i used my travelwise card and atm for spending money.  For my 9 days there I spent a total of $1,000 looking at my atm transactions that show my withdrawals and transfers to my transfer wise credit card.
I took a prepaid taxi to my AIRBNB to Copacabana at a cost of 40 Reals.  An uber would have cost me 22 Reals.  Traffic was slow but it was fine.  If the windows were clean I would have taken some pictures.
Copacabana reminded me of downtown Washington DC.  I had my guard up in Brazil but i never had a problem with anyone or anything from start to finish.  Nobody tried to scam me, cheat me or steal from me.  Often I was mistaken for a local.  Here in the USA im mistaken for Latin and in Thailand I am mistaken for Indian.
Ubering around is so easy and cheap it makes it hard to walk and use the subway.  The subway is cheap and cleaner than what you will find in New Jersey or NYC.
The guys... Hot.  Handsome guys everywhere.  Its as if being young and handsome is the norm in Brazil.  Not many spoke english but using google translate went a long way.  I used it in the restaurants, bars, sauna, apps and reading menu's.  Google maps was the app I used the most next to Grindr.  The other apps seem to be active but all the action for me seem to come from Grindr and Vivalocal.  
Saunas....  I heard a lot of good things about Club 117 and I visited often untill I visited Point 22 Sauna.  Club 117 was nice but Point 22 was like a gay bar with hot guys in towels flashing their ass and dick often.  If I was going back with friends Id take them to Point 22 before i took them to Club 117.  Sao Paulo Sauna was EVERYTHING!  The guys are hot and aggressive.  My first 5 minutes in the place, I met a guy that offered to show me around and next thing I know in a corner stairwell being french kissed, spun around and my ass is getting the french kiss treatment......  I loved the guys of Sao Paulo.
I was so comfortable in Brazil that I took the subway to find a guy on vivalocal living near Club 117.  Google helped lead me to his door and we had over an hour of mind-blowing sex that set me back 100 Reals or $24 usd.
Food...  I didn't care for the food in Brazil so I lost a lot of weight while there and I'm sure it helped with my time with the guys.  I ate mostly from Subway and sandwiches from the local grocery store.
Knowing all this, if there were 2 planes waiting for me, one headed to Rio for a week and one headed to Pattaya for a week, I would get on the plane to Pattaya.  Yeah I like the masculine big dick latin guys but I like the lean hot guys found in Thailand as well.  
Being in Rio was fun but Pattaya is like being on Fantasy Island and there is always something about to happen.  Rio, you could talk to a guy and be ready for sex and he will say he is on his way and after 90 minutes he will send you a text telling you he is close and after an hour he will tell you he is walking to your place and after an hour he will text you and say he is right outside.  In pattaya, 500 baht can get a guy to your door in 30 minutes at 4am in the morning.
I plan to go back to brazil with a friend in May for a week.  I also plan to go to Pattaya in October for a week.  

Day 1 - The Departure and Arrival
As i said in previous post, ill be arriving at night. my flight is at 19.35pm and arriving 20:50pm, so i left office early today to go back home to pack and ready to go to the airport. After all packing was done, I went down the stairs to catch my grab and unfortunately missed one step toward the end of and tripped. Sprained both my ankles due to the fall, took a bit of time to recover from the pain and force my way to the front door and wait for my grab. Though im in pain, I can still walk, albeit slowly, so i count my blessing and just move at my own pace. 
When i arrived at the airport, went through immigration and found out my flight got delayed 1 hour plus so, i went to the cafe, bought a drink and asked if they can spare some ice so i can used them to make a makeshit icepack using tissues. it helps a lot in reducing the swelling and pain. Due to the delay, i only managed to arrived in dmk at 10:20pm instead. I usually wait until tomorrow to go and get a sim card in silom which is usually cheaper, but due to my recent injury, i settled with tourist simcard for 299 baht at the airport. took the taxi from dmk, asked the driver to avoid expressway and arrived at Raya a bit after 11pm.
Checked in went smoothly and after cleaned up a bit, i went out to check out the scene, walking slowly with slightly improve ankle. It is still too early for screwboys late night show at 1.30am so i went to hotmale instead. Not many customer on thursday night, maybe me and few other at the back, who soon left. i asked if there is a show, mamasan said later at midnight. so i stay for a while looking at the boy on offers. not a bad selection but one in particular had very defined muscle, among the 3 guys who wore black underwear, and from time to time dancing near the pole so i guess its the famous coyote dancer of hotmale. IIRC, he is #3. The night is still young, so after waiting a while for a show that will not happen, since im the only customer around, i decided to go to screwboy instead. 
What a change of scene. Screwboys is doing great, with plenty of customer but still have seats for me near the entrance facing the stage. Better selection of boys here than hotmale, though no one can beat #3 hotmale coyote dancer in terms of body. One particular guy caught my eyes from the stage. As u can guess, he is no twink. Great body, not muscular but natural fit, with a bit tummy of manliness. His face looks a bit like jericho rosales, actor from philippines. I took too long to decide and one customer who already have one boy with him called him for a drink and he spent quite a time with the customer during the show. There is also another guy that i like, but also similar case, taken by a customer who sits to the left of the stage, the place where more than kissing can happen. 
Anyway, the guy soon left with the customer, so my eye went back the the first guy, who was still sitting with customer on the table next to me. Not long after, the customer left and he went back to the stage. This time i didnt delay and immediately called him down, drink ordererdand the usual conversation ensued. Off fee paid, long time agreed and we both went to Raya. As always, i asked if he want anything to eat, he bought some street food along the way and off we go for room inspection. He was a great company, cant recall his number but if i have to guess it was #33, from myanmar. Very passionate, gave me great massages, and my feet feels a bit better the day after probably due to his massage too. We ate breakfast together in Raya and i sent him off. My first up to you when asked about how much is the tip for LT, so i pay the regular rate. I am off to a good start despite the tiny mishap in the beginning of the trip. 
 

Again, this is only what I found as useful for me.
 
DivineMadman’s motto: “Don't over-think; Be open; Be kind. Have fun.”
Preparations before you go:
Hygene yourself as before a romantic date.
Place all valuables in safe.
Have small bills for tips and charges (from 20 to 1000), and know what the rates are.
At the bar:
“Confidently walk into the bar, and have no fear. People go to these bars to off lads, so do not be shy. Never look like a newbie. If asked by staff how many times you’ve been to Thailand, your answer should be ”five”. If you like the bar, sit down & order a drink; if the boys are not to your liking, it’s OK to walk straight back out. 
In order to not appear like a first-timer, always insist on picking your preferred seat by yourself: usually at the back, a bit away from the stage but with clear view of it and sometimes a bonus view of the boys changing area or gym. Some bars also have upstairs seating that is worth checking out. Try to find place where you can have space for a boy to sit next to you if you plan to do that.  
If you arrive late after the show had finished and only want to off a guy, it’s worth saying that to the mamasan thus avoiding pay for drink/entrance. Bars are usually more flexible when it’s about closing time, especially when it’s low season.
Do not trust the mamasans; well some are OK, but understand that some say anything to make a sale. The mamasans or waiters may sit down and start talking to you. if you don’t want them there, ask them to go. If they stay, they’ll expect a tip.
Enjoy the boys. If you identify a boy you like, you can either engage the mamasan to bring him over, or wave the boy over to sit with you. If a boy sits with you without invitation, feel free to politely ask him to move on & don’t tip him.” 
Employ usual precautions with your valuables, but don’t distress yourself too much. Thailand is a safe country; boys are much more honest than their counterparts in most countries; and there are (almost) no reports of pickpocketing, theft and the like.
Factors to consider when selecting a boy: eye contact; smile; behavior with other boys or patrons; sitting close; body language intimacy; his English; kisses; physical contact; gropes. He might be shy in certain aspects, but if he’s off in most/all the above – he isn’t the One.
“After introducing yourselves & making polite conversation, if you want to off him – ask what he likes and doesn’t like in bed. If you have specific needs, check each one with him. Make sure there is no hesitancy in his replies. For example, if you have doubts about his willingness to kiss, ask to kiss him there. Some might not like doing that in the gogo bar, so I’m not sure refusal should rule him out. OTOH, if he makes a really good effort – you can remove any doubts about that, which helps to rule him in.
Maybe try some discrete fondling. Be aware that acceptable behavior varies from bar to bar. In certain bars, the boys will get everything out only on stage. In others: they will strip off & sit on your lap naked, then if you really desire – suck you off in the bar. However, in the majority of gogo bars, the boys usually keep everything in their underwear & keep up appearances on the premises. If in doubt, watch what’s going on with other patrons, or wait for the boy to make the first risqué move.”
ASK HIM WHAT HIS RATE IS. “If he asks for too much (for you), counter with a lower offer. If he won’t settle at a reasonable price for you, avoid prolonged haggling. If you decide not to off the boy, politely tip him (100-150) and send him away.”
Make politely clear to him that if he doesn’t perform as agreed, he won’t be paid per agreement. For example: “no power, no money....if it doesn't get hard, I'm not paying.”
Finally, “check his ID card to ensure he is 18 (including that his  picture matches his face) BEFORE paying any off fee!”
It’s acceptable to politely inquire if other staff members at the bar (waiter, barman, mamasan, DJ) are also for offing.
At the hotel:
Show respect for the boy on the way to the room, and in the room: continue polite conversation; offer to buy him a snack, or give him something from the minibar; invite him to shower first (if not together); etc.”
In a few hotels, he might have to register at reception. 
“When you off him the first time, don’t hurry with a promise to off him again; a ‘maybe’ is enough.  OTOH, if you are impressed with the boy & want to see him again, you may want to secure the next appointment right there in your room before he leaves. 
Tips are paid before he departs. You should have planned carefully so you have the exact notes to pay him exactly what you intend (and extra if he deserves it).”
And again - DivineMadman’s motto: “Don't over-think; Be open; Be kind. Have fun.”
 
Most of the quotes above are by z909 from: 
 

As for my personal experience:
Best Off: Dreamboys
Best Show: Moonlight & Jupiter2018
Best Massage Place: Prince
Short Time: 2,000
Long Time: 3,000
Off Fee: 500
Tip when u table a boy: 200 + drink for the boy
What to do in the morning: Aside from massage, try rentmen.com
Again, this are all based on my experience, no intention 4 an argument please, tnk u!!!
 

I think cis means  you identify as your anatomical birth gender. So it’s not anout orientation. 
 
but truth is i find it hard to keep up with all this. 

Day 7
Dam was not in the rush in the morning and neither was  I  but at one point I realized that I still have  ‘ other things’ so hauled  us out of bed and after packing up , out of hotel too. Since it turned out he lives not far from there he decided to go home, I rolled my suitcase to Baan Silom , 6th hotel  I was staying in 8 days of this trip. I know it sounds excessive and in fact it is  but I have fun exploring new digs as it makes impression I’m on the move. I generally don’t like stationary  vacations and Thailand is very distinct exception for reason not need to be explained. To my delight room was just being made so I could check in after few minutes.
Then I went to Suriwong  for breakfast , I decided to try nice looking Café Club across the road from Patpong.  Not a cheap place  but their 399 ‘big breakfast ‘ was really big , tasty and filling, even if at check out it turned that they are adding VAT and service charge to a bill so 399 become something like 480 ( read 500  with a tip although since service charge was included I shouldn’t be so generous). Once a trip I can splurge on a meal, why not , specially that their serving kept me running  well into the evening .  
Good that “Other things ‘  today   weren’t too absorbing so I even managed to return to hotel  in the afternoon for  3-5 nap.
At 6 I was already exiting Phya Thai station in search of Gannymede spa  nearby. No sign from main read but with map in my head it was easy to find. Captain explained me their menu and only then called guys , all 4 of them to emerge from behind the curtain. All well muscled but  more athlete than hunk type and as usual, broadest smile earned 1 hr body to body massage for 800 baht with minimum tip of 1200. Good job by fully versatile bi-guy although judging by how fast he stood to attention girls are probably afterthought for him.  Place is very well appointed , decorated and maintained and it’s fully recommended, they do 4 hands as well.
Return to Patpong or rather Thaniya and walk to Moonlight hoping A will be there . Yes and at his best at that  showing his washboard abs to sparse at that time audience.  You should see his smile when I entered and motioned him over right away.  Off fee paid with promise to pick him up later  and  I told him he is free till midnight , if he finds other admirer in meantime I will wait for his return.  I finished my drink –at Moonlight you pay for drink before you enter bar unfortunately  and went to Dreamboys as scheduled by me and CTCI8F yesterday.
I took a bit circular way through Thaniya and Silom and surprise – I met Alek , former Tawan guy whom I took to Pattaya back in Jun 2016 for quasi boyfriend experience. We recognized each other immediately after all those years. Last time I saw him was in Dec 2016 at Tawan took hissy fit because I offed somebody else than him . Upon learning I’m going to Dreamboys he tried to join but I firmly said that I’m going with friend and only with him, So our good bye was less smiley. Oh , well.
At Dreamboys I arrived  first and from very beginning I was not sure whom admire more – boys on the stage, they had few hunks there new and old although  #65 , my last off  month ago in Sept or one of two Japanese guys sitting on bench nearby. I did not measure but at least until my friend arrived I was focusing on Japanese hunk more, one of those who would give Moonlight models run for their money .
Show started at 10.15 I guess and was quite long , to a packed  audience. No “special”  show but plenty of performers for big cock , among them one of my eye delights Johnny, known for very energetic dancing ( and now for very impressive endowment) .  Quite  a few guys there are prime offing material. Bad thing about Dreamboys is that sound level is unbearable and well above idiotic , be warned and bring ear plugs. I feel sorry for the boys , it must leave some traces in their hearing abilities. Only Jupiter and XBoys Pattaya are equally stupid but Dreamboys is the worst  IMNSHO.
Highlight of the show were moment when ladyboys invited three participants from audience to join them and to my eternal delight one of them was my Japanese neighbor. There was also another Japanese guy who become primary victim as they undressed him completely revealing that he did not wear underwear.  I did not notice any shyness on his part so common wisdom that Japanese are very adventurous when come s to those things carry a lot of weight.
“My’’ guy was more reserved but still we could admire his naked ass in horizontal position and sizable bulge made many salivating I guess. It was a lot of offing traffic , both by guys and ladies but Dreamboy is well staffed bar.
Just before midnight we left , I marched to Moonlight to pick up A who was already ready and waiting. I did not bother with drink this time. We went to eat some modest dinner without eye-popping seafood dishes and then straight to the hotel with A embracing me  just like  a boyfriend. He must like me or something  thought I as he already had both off and knowledge of what his tip will be secured.
Today we talked a lot too , mostly about his family and his work. They have very drastic penalties for being late like 50 baht per minute so certainly guys are kept in line. Sadness start setting in my heart when I realized that this is my second last night in BKK  
 

The Terracotta Warriors exhibit was amazing. It was small and not a great deal of warriors but the show was worth a visit. Crowds are huge so plan to spend some time there. And, be sure to visit the rest of the buildings that are a part of the museum.

Day 5
Getting rid of “other  things”  for today was easier than I thought, morning e-mail “ I must return to Bangkok today” and fast response “ Ok , no problem”, no question asked . Not that we rushed things in the morning  but at 10am I ordered end of idyll, if only to utilize breakfast included in price served till 11 only.  I also resolved that  in view  of Z going home and Kao as well as Wit absent It doesn’t make much sense to return to Pattaya for a night and informed staff  that I’m vacating room to  a polite answer ‘ we will miss you tonight’.
We took Jomtien bus to Swampy and from there upon learning that shuttle but to Don Muang is available to ticket holders only i.e. to Z , not me I decided we will take taxi which turned to be very good idea as Z almost immediately  placed my hand inside of his shorts rightly claiming ‘ I know you like it” and not surprisingly he was right.
Driver did not seem to notice and if he did ,he  did not mind. So whole rode seemed more like short time rather than taxi ride and not even tip was necessary .
Ride was 375 on the meter +obligatory 50 baht airport surcharge + three tolls , respectively 25, 50 and 70 baht. At the airport we had lunch , send me PM if you are curious what I had, then went to observation level where we had a chance to have last intimate moment  when nobody was there. Few pictures and warm, misty eyed embraces and stolen kisses and Z disappeared behind partition for good.
I decided to take a train , walked to the station , bought ticket for 20 baht ( not sure if they raised prices , last time I paid just 5 or it was train type which was more expensive , it was express from Nong Khai ),
MRT to Sam Yan and walk to VSpace hotel on 2nd floor of Silom 64 building, that’s  the one on Thaniya side connected with Sala Daeng with own exit.  Hotels occupies   just one floor  and rooms are windowless. I booked and paid by Paypal this morning and initially they couldn’t find my records but eventually girl noticed respective sheet on the counter in plain view  , one of those’ darkest spot is right under the lamp’ moments.
Other than lack of window room was more spacious than Red Planet , everything was working including bit archaic safety box, only desk was a bit too high but that’s minor issue. Location , right on Silom hardly can be beaten and lack of windows prevents street noises from getting in. With escalator no need for elevator, quite q few eating places on the ground floor and as I said, one floor up and there’s direct walkway to Sala Daeng BTS.
Settled in I went to Senso, early evening only few guys available , none familiar so as usually I went for  a smile and took Chai for usual  1.5hr session. Very strong massage was all I need after last several hours spent mostly sitting or in horizontal position.  Good streak at Senso continues.  From there to Hot Male outside  but I did not stay there too long because soon CTCI8F showed as we arranged and we went to Moonlight where he had design on somebody  but I , exhausted after  peace negotiations last night decided to pass tonight. Or I thought so. A of course approached immediately but I told him that tonight  I’m not taking anybody , I did not even invite him for  a drink as it was before show and did not want to block  his offing chances in full bar by engaging him. He was clearly unhappy if not outright upset but smiled sadly-politely and returned to the scene.  I lavished red notes on # 9 and # 11 and then show started with few new scenes and to CTCI8F’s delight his intended guy was  there so he made arrangement with mamasan  to take him home.
 That and show made my blood circulating a bit faster so I asked mamas an if A is still there but as expected, it turned he landed LT contract and was gone. But he helpfully pointed that #9 , tipped previously is seating nearby so I motioned him over. Well built with very handsome and somewhat it seemed familiar  face . Cambodian. It looks that face wise I have soft spot for Cambodian guys, I can easily call him Handsome Cambodian III but his nick is Man, fitting for a guy with such manly face. Before I blinked an eye he asked “ I go with you ? ‘ so I did not even bother with drink and questions , just asked him to dress and off we went. He just returned from trip home and was happy to land such good hearted farang on his first night I guess.
On our way to restaurant on Suriwong it was actually him who asked if I want long time which sent me to a stratosphere because as always that was what I was hoping for specially with guy owning such face !
Over the meal he checked his phone and announced that long time is still on the offer but not tonight because his roommate left key in the room so he needs to be home at 2 or so when he finishes his shift.
Old trick and excuse and to this day, more than week later I wonder what cause such change ? After all it was him who  came up with idea, perhaps he had better look at my face in bright lighting? Who knows but his moment was good for such antics as I initially was not even thinking about any offs tonight so he was still a bonus , long time or short
It was short walk from restaurant to hotel where he asked to shower first claiming to be shy but judging by loud music he played there on his phone he wanted to do other business there first.  I was very pleased with his presence and performance and being so close to him suddenly I realized why he  seemed familiar and asked him if before he happened to  carry # 15. Yes. Readers of my reports may recall that  last year ( trip of  Oct 2018 report )  I had hots for #15 there but he was sitting with  some young Asian who snatched him from the stage before I even  could say “Hail Mary” and at least I had an eye feast  because they a were sitting together in front of me, both handsome like hell and half.
Learning about  finally nailing one on my dreams put me in even more forgiving and generous mood even with that key story and fact that he was a bit rushing to leave. I slept well and smiling at end of my day 5

Day 4
Today and tomorrow ‘ other things” are taking me to an Eastern Seaboard.  Not sure if I will be able to visit Pattaya but decided to take  a risk and booked Baan Souy for today and tomorrow  if only because I never stay there, my favorite masseur Kao from Copa had day job there and most important considering circumstances , hotel is mid way between Pattaya and Jomtien, tucked in the small alley, steps from main road but still hidden, just in case.
Because of duties I raised up early so perhaps it was good to be chaste as very few boys would appreciate being hauled out of bed at 7 am I guess. In the afternoon  I was not only unshackled  but also when expressing desire to see Pattaya which I never visited before , uhm,  I was offered a ride . I was not too demanding and asked to be deposed at Terminal 21. As soon as my ride disappeared I jumped into songtaew which conveniently was #6 line Naklua-Jomtien and soon I was walking to the hotel.
 It’s short walk from  main road , has   quite sizable pool om the grounds and was almost empty. I saw only one guest basking in the sun and sole bartender who unfortunately was not Kao . I got room on 1st floor , huge and comfortable, complete with seating area and microwave and of course big bed. Freshened up and walked back to main road to find myself in Boyztown soon after .
 At Paradise massage I was hopping  Wit is there but I was told that he quit 2 weeks ago and of course boss would not tell me where he is now. Strolled through quite empty Boyztown to 2nd road where around the corner there’s small massage shop with only guy outside. I remembered him from last month, intriguing figure as he is very well built but was wearing quite heavy make up  and his legs were covered in net stockings, just like your typical ladyboy. 
But my gut feeling told me it won’t be any surprise so I decided to jump and see and took 300 baht 1hr session. Massage was good , conducted in complete silence  as there are only curtain partitions there and after about ½ hr my hand wandered somewhere near his knee and it did not take long before I was asked how much I pay, kiss was planted on my neck and shirt , shorts, net  stocking and all were gone to reveal quite manly muscular body owned by guy without a trace of feminine behavior . So my gut feeling was right.
 Next ½ hr. was also silent but quite very steamy so to speak. So sometimes appearances are misleading. I upped my customary 1 hr massage tip of 1000 by 50% , well deserved despite such initial camouflage.  I should ask him about LT option tonight but I did not because  I had other thing in mind – to see if Z, hero of my last month’s trip is still in his bar in Jomtien Complex.
Before  I went there though I made obligatory pilgrimage around the corner to Alt Heidelberg restaurant for my schnitzel with fried potatoes s dinner. As soon as I placed my order heavens opened, speaking about good timing. What was even more surprising deluge changed to drizzle when I was ready to go. By that time Beach Road   was under water but somehow I managed to catch songtaew, made fast dash to my hotel  to  shower all that massage oil off and walked  energetically to Jomtien Complex with question mark bigger and bigger with every step. Will  he be there or not ? And if yes,  will he be free or embraced by  my newly found sworn enemy or not?
Z’s  bar is almost at end of row  of bars and it was his boss who noticed me first , smiled and called Z by name – he happened to be standing by food truck nearby.  Shock and awe like G.W.Bush would say, ‘it’s really you?, how you get there? And then hit between eyes : ‘good you came today because tomorrow I’m flying back home”.  Truly Guardian Angel’s best job.
Drinks ordered , “what hotel we are sleeping tonight?” asked so things were moving fast in right direction. Only in my head  problem was raising , I want to go with him tomorrow to the airport so I must unshackle myself  from “other stuff” and how to do it. Not to mention when as doing it in middle of the night could not look good but I decided to leave it to the fate for now if only because in front of us two guys were seating. One with face of Handsome Cambodian from BBB and his companion a bit more cherubic.
Fast Z revealed that those are new guys in bar, both straight Cambodians and he likes cherubic one very much and since his dream was always to suck straight cock, Cherubic one would be prime candidate but he is too shy to ask him and doesn’t know how to go about whole thing.  Go figure- bar boy being shy !
Since my heart went to Handsome Cambodian II two red notes followed in their direction  and we left things there for now if only because Z got that idea that he wants to go to Mike Shopping mall to buy a shirt he saw another day. As much as I like being with Z 25hours a day /8 days a week shopping with him is  a bit of chore, Ok it’s fucking unnerving waste of time but when he said we should be rushing because mall closes at 10 and now is well past 9 I agreed to go.
 Songtaew dumped us in front of mall at 9.40  so it was only 15 minutes of buying spectacle , still he managed to get 3 staff member involved and tried  half dozen shirts with me looking disgusted all the time. But salesperson being adamant that they are closing at 10.00 on the dot helped to speed decision.
Then I suggested since we are already there why not to visit BBB in time for the show so we went.
Both my favorites Art and Handsome Cambodian / now Handsome Cambodian I/ were missing , not that tonight it mattered but we admired  all boys present as much as one can admire them being dressed in shirts and jeans, watched show a bit changed from August. I noticed Keow is back in the show. Bar was a little remodeled and what was surprising only perhaps half full.
After the show we went toward  Wat Chai where we had some  delicious looking and tasting street food   and soon we were back on our way to his bar where he was supposed to take his things from  to my hotel as by that time I decided hell or high water, I’m taking him to the airport tomorrow. Marching to a bar through Complex subject of Z being fond of Cherubic was brought again and I intervened simply by saying that if he wants we are taking him with us, Z job was only to make sure he wants to go and how much his compensation should be .
Sure I had hots for Handsome Cambodian II but it would be excessive to take him with our trio  but while Z was gathering his stuff , talking with Z and bar colleagues he is leaving behind , l asked him  to seat with me if only to ask if Handsome Cambodian I from BBB is his brother as similarities are striking  but no, it turned out to be just coincidence. Nevertheless I will have him in my mind next time I’m there which may be tomorrow or next year ( remember I booked Baan Souy for 2 nights just in case ), to reinforce he will smile and as thank you gesture for tonight I gave him few red notes. 300 off fee for Cherubic  paid , as it was late we took motorsais to the hotel at 50 baht  a head.
In the room I let guys to have their fun helping here and there. Z was in 7th heaven to have his dream realized and without going to too much of detail , exceeded expectations. It was probably good that hotel was emptyish that night as certainly we weren’t that quiet  and only when our companion was leaving we realized that we left veranda door to our room opened. We can only hope nobody was peeking inside as I’m not sure we combed out hairs before we went to the bed.
While I offered our guest option of staying till morning he preferred to go home so gave him 100 baht for motorsai on top of well deserved , twice above the market tip but what is fair it’s fair. He left happy and we , after finally closing door , stay inside happy and still active almost till sunrise. My last night fast certainly helped. Great and memorable day 4 even if better half of it was wasted on ‘other stuff’  ( Ok , wasted only in context of this report ).

Day 2
Some of you may already noticed that one of things I hate the most is when my guy announces that he wants to go. I believe it’s my call to say when meeting is over , of course within reason.
 Some of my regulars sensed it  and instead off announcing they want to go  they smartly say they are hungry – after all they were hired till breakfast.  That exactly was a case with A in the morning but today that was no problem as I had that ‘ other stuff ‘ to do so well before 8 a.m.  world already saw us breakfasting. After that we went our own ways but not before I secured his return at 3 p.m. for a short Brexit options discussion.
 I also sent a message to a Gold Member that I will be passing by his hotel at 11.00 so if he is free we can shake hands in the lobby. As it turned out he got it too late but since it was my call I wait perhaps  10 minutes and moved on secured in knowledge we will meet tomorrow evening,
In the hotel I checked forum and there was very recent message that DrimVoiz and 18past 19 are lunching at Foodland and they will be happy if I join them so I rushed up . Timing was perfect as their meals just arrived , I ordered mine and it was not you know what but whatever Drim was eating- some Japanese  dish. Anyways our dishes were getting cold because we had so much stuff to discuss  and all of that not really suitable for public place so I suggested we move  to my  room.
Tarntawan of course demanded them to leave ID’s  so we had good laugh, old guy dragging with him two handsome Asians in broad daylight this is what elevator guy with the register must have thought !
Great  meeting , we talked like we know each other for millennium not just since yesterday. I was very interested about 18past19's  assessment of his last night off from Moonlight as I have designs on the guy and was relieved to learn he  was great guy. Even more interesting were   his impressions from meeting with Babe the model and gain he confirmed that   guy is great but bit shy in the room. Drim shared his  impression from  yesterday’s time with Mr. Sex God and to keep meeting in proper style I offered tea / coffee selection, go imagine how classy it was, LOL.
Since at 3 p.m. I was expecting A both gentlemen were eager to shake hands with him and yes , 3 on the dot there was call from reception and I instructed them to let him in, drawer at elevator desk filled with ID’s on my guests today.
Soon we and I  were left alone to pick up where we had left in the morning. This only warmed me up so after he left at 5 , soon I trailed him outside and went  toward Patpong 2 to see how Bangkok Massage is doing at new location – my first visit there.  Few guys outside but one of them  stand out by his sizable pecs  so he was my choice. Regretfully only 1 hr. session  as I was hoping paulsf will stop on his last day by Hot Male outside bar and I wanted to say good bye. But massage was great  and guy well built everywhere , 1200 tip well deserved.
Place is new , more Spartan that old location which was beautifully decorated in Thai style, showers outside but as always , Bangkok  Massage never disappoints.
Then crossed soi to climb stairs to take a seat at Hot Male.  Paul did not show up  being busy packing  and getting ready but resident guys kept me entertained , I kept them watered and  at departure few of them  got their red note or two. Particularly I was happy that Alex, good looking Myanmarese is back.
At 10 p.m. I was expecting M from Senso as promised yesterday but on entry somebody from reception called me by last name and announced that he just called and won’t be able to come. This was a bit like bucket of cold water because I really was looking forward  to solve Greek public debt problem with him but what one can do? Smile through the tears I guess.
In meantime my Guardian Angel  got busy because not long after I entered room there was call from reception that M arrived so again they had some ID to register.
He was very apologetic , explained his reason for skipping tonight’s  LT  and  since he came in person to give his excuses my only option was smile , forget  and let it go.  For me it was high class act and very manly thing to do, explain himself in person.  This way he is still very,  very high in my books  but we did not part without me trying to ask him to say at least 1 hr. or so and he agreed . I must say we made it very romantic  hour , one to remember . One of those QBE’s ( Quasi Boyfriend Experience ), we almost forget to undress  LOL .
Cheered and warmed up I decided to check on Screwboys, perhaps because my best guy ever , One, was from there. And who is on the stage? Yoyo. Well known to few members, tirelessly working   to give Viet boys good name recalled me even if it’s a while since I offed him last time. It was a bit of surprise as there were reported sightings of him at Lucky boys   but his time there was short , he told me he did not like strong air conditioning and decided to return.
No time to waste, two drinks 300 a piece , long time yes, he even mentioned I snore ( sure,  good bet lots of guys my age do but I don’t dismiss option he really  remembers  ) , red note to mamasan Lek  ( I like her ) and off we go . He was not hungry. Another ID registered under my room number today. Elevator guy seem to be looking at me with mixture of contempt and respect.
In the room Yoyo did his best to prevent me from snoring and was not in rush to leave in the morning at all. Planning to go home in few days  to see his ailing father, at least it’s what he told me    clearly wanted to  increase his tip. We met half way , he got more than I intended but less than he wanted. Well earned. Active , polite , good looking and good feeling, Yoyo never disappoints as many here may attest. Only disadvantage is that he smokes but had only one during his stay with me and doesn’t smell like ashtray, believe me I checked.
Promised to give him duty free cigs I bought when waiting for connection in Taipei
It was actually me who signalized  time to go as I had ‘ other stuff ‘ to do. One of very few cases when I gave guy taxi money without him even asking but he energized me for very busy day ahead.

Return to Bangkok, Shopping & Sightseeing

After several very relaxing days Bangkok Guy is again enveloping my arm as he sleeps on the plane. We part before immigration and agree to meet quite late to give us both a chance to unpack and run errands and, in my case, an opportunity to visit more of the new bars.

First stop is Hot Male where, with a couple of notable exceptions, the guys are a fraction ‘tidied up rough’ for my liking and the host could not be more charming. After explaining that my visit is purely exploratory so no guys this time, this is my first visit since the gay scene’s decampment from Twilight, he becomes an unofficial guide. A whisky in my hand, from the balcony he points out all the other clubs I must visit and gives a little friendly color on what I can expect to find in each, emphasizing that of course, once I have explored, I will want to return to Hot Male! And so I will, with such a charming host.

Dream Boys is good but not what it was. That night at least it lacked the ‘guys for all tastes’ variety that was its strength in Twilight. Only one guy caught my attention, # 60-something. Smooth and perfect defined physique.

Between my overnight trips Bangkok Guy and I spend quite a bit of time together. The high-floor pool at the apartment is a great hit. Fantastic view, plenty of shade so Bangkok Guy does not need to cover up and no one else around.

Despite frustration at our inability to communicate complex ideas due to the language barrier, Bangkok Guy is good company. I research on-line Thai language courses and decide I have to learn Thai. Good intentions. We will see.

We do our usual exploration of jazz bars and discover a new favorite, the lobby bar at the St Regis. The musicians are at the top of the game and the bar woman really knows how to mix a drink. Best Sazerac I have had in a long while.

Bangkok Guy always looks smart in a conservatively casual way but for the first time I think he may need a little wardrobe assistance. I do not like shopping, but having read reports of Icon Siam think it might be worth a look. We go Icon Siam? Yes! So next day we go Icon Siam.

On entry it feels like another bunch of high-brand shops just like duty free in 1000 airports.

Straight in the door, there is Alexander McQueen. $400+ a shirt last time I was unfortunate enough to need one in an emergency with no other choices.

Bangkok Guy understands me well enough to enjoy pulling my chain. He looks at Alexander Mc Queen and then at me with eyebrows raised and a sweet smile. “I like you, but I no Alexander McQueen like you”. He grins and leads me up the escalator

Passing by the Platinum Card brands, our first stop is H&M where he finds a very nice caramel striped collarless shirt, but decides to look further. Next stop is UniQlo. Jack Pot! They are having a sale. I may hate shopping, but I can’t resist a sale if the quality is good. Very nice linen collarless shirts. Bangkok Guy can’t decide which color. There is a discount for two or more. We get three. The new shirts make his trousers look a little dowdy. They have some very smart plaid trousers, also discount for two pair, so we get a dark pair with white and yellow plaid and a grey pair with white plaid. I give him the cash so he can pay for himself. He is very happy.

That last paragraph gives a misleading impression of speed.

I only shop when I have an objective. I find what I am looking for and exit quickly. Bangkok Guy likes shopping. Bangkok Guy checks out all the options. All the options. Even things he is not likely to buy. Partly he enjoys looking. Partly he wants to be sure he gets both quality and a deal. Fine.

I am doing my best to maintain a happy face, but he is no fool. He sees that shopping bores me. However, he knows that I pay attention to how he looks. So at intervals just short enough to avoid me going catatonic he asks my opinion and draws me into the process of deciding in which clothing he looks best. I survive with my good mood stretched but intact.

At checkout Bangkok Guy ends up in his own little que of one. Waiting and waiting. It turns out he has asked for everything to be pressed, which they do for free. 

Now his sneakers do not quite live up to his trousers.

After a rest and fashion show at the apartment – everything fits perfectly and he looks very good – we head to Center World, I think, on a hunt for shoes. Some sort of slip-on. I have a thing for good footwear. Good shoes are the one thing for which I will pay full retail. But not in Bangkok. I set a budget equal to what I would pay back home for a good pair of shoes in a very good sale and set Bangkok Guy loose. After much checking of options and asking my opinion he finds a pair he likes with an Italian name. They are well made. Fully leather lined. Mario Minardi. It turns out they are Indonesian, Italian registered brand. And on sale.

Later that evening we are again enjoying jazz at the St Regis. Bangkok Guy, in cream collarless linen shirt and dark checked trousers, crosses his legs and moves his foot slightly, admiring the shoe. He smiles.  

Our sightseeing highlights are the Museum of Contemporary Art and the King Power rooftop.

Art is my thing. I had no idea what to expect at MoCA and was pretty much blown away by the creativity of what was in many cases a contemporary take on traditional Thai art. Next trip I will visit the contemporary dealer galleries.

If you haven’t been to the King Power viewing deck, go. The view is spectacular. Bangkok Guy and I had great fun photographing each other ‘suspended in air’ on the glass deck. However, the only way out is via a compulsory trek through a supercharged duty free maze fit to bamboozle the Minotaur. Bangkok Guy loved it. So many things to look at. So many things to pull my chain over. He finally took mercy on me and got us out to the footpath. “You safe now” he said grinning, as he slipped his hand into mine.

Still Traveling

Bangkok Guy proves to be a very amiable travel companion.

Despite his penchant for staying in bed until mid-day he can get up early, even very early, if needs be.

The monks from the innumerable temples and monasteries walk the town gathering alms between 5am and 6am and, to participate and gain merit, we get up a little after 4am. That is, I get up. Bangkok Guy cuts it a little finer. By 5.10am we have found, in the blue-grey early-dawn, what looks like a good position from which to gain merit, Bangkok Guy has negotiated baskets of sticky rise and stools on which to sit from cheerful rotund ladies and we are draped in a type of local shawl.

The monks emerge from their temples in seemingly random groups of eight or so and walk at a steady pace, no slowing down (with the exception of a few very young ones for whom religious discipline has not yet over-ruled the stomach), so if your dexterity with sticky rice is sub-par every so often a monk will arrive in front of you out of rhythm with your rice-hand and pass on donation-less. Such is karma.

After about thirty minutes and three baskets of rice apiece we bank our merit and cross the road for coffee and good French pastries while we watch the continuing procession.

Bangkok Guy is wide awake and this makes me curious about his habit of sleeping until noon. Why do you sleep to noon if you can be so awake in the morning? If you go back to your home town and farm you will have to get up early every day, can you do that? The answer is all about the rhythm of life. It is important to get enough rest. When you get it does not matter, as long as you get it. In Bangkok, no reason to get up early, so rest into morning and then stay up late. On farm, must be up early but rest in middle of day. Falang not understand this. You need more rest. 

After another river-view lunch, we retire to the room and rest. J

In the evening we visit the night market which, in the light rain and after the wonderful-but-expensive crafts in the local shops, seems an interminable damp, cramped, progression through stall after stall of Indian and Chinese imitation tourist tat.

I brought $300 in crisp new cash for shopping and food, which I divided equally between Bangkok Guy and myself. I do something similar in Bangkok in respect to drinks and dining. He likes to pay his way where he can afford it, such as taxis and trains, and he likes the appearance of paying for us both. When we return to a restaurant at which he has previously paid and they present him with the bill rather than me, he puffs out just a little.

Bangkok Guy has a mission in the night market while I am just ambling along with rising irritation at the damp and the tat. Gifts for his mother. He is a very good son.

Finally, just at the point where I am about to lose patience and declare a retreat to a dry bar with local snacks, we find two neighboring stalls with genuine local crafts of good quality. Bangkok Guy gives me a smile which is part ‘you can relax now’ and part ‘see, I found it’.

The quality is good and the prices much more reasonable than the shops, especially with Bangkok Guy negotiating. It is interesting to watch him negotiate. He is very thorough in checking the quality and, as he tells me later, he is careful to disown me and truthfully claim poverty. I do not try to benefit from his negotiating efforts – clearly he cannot claim poverty for me – and while I get a very good price I suspect my purchases help him to bargain. “I have brought you the gift of a whale, but as it is my whale and I like it, you can only remove a little skin”.

FINAL NOTES
Air
This time I did not go for cheapest price  nor fastest door to door time but for convenient schedule. Used EVA of Taiwan , arrival in Bangkok at noon and the same departure. That way both first and last full day can be fully utilized without worrying about raising early or catching taxi in middle of the night. About 100 $ more than cheapest option but worth it.
Hotels
Used Amara, Glitz , Baan Silom, and D’Varee Express Pula in Bangkok and Classrooms, Le Café Royale, Zing Resort Jomtien Complex and The Venue .
Amara luxurious and only one with breakfast included in the rate and great view from 16th floor room and even better from rooftop pool but did not utilize that pool  other then trying to impress visiting ChristianPFC , worth splurge for so inclined ,I may even stay there in the future but for my needs it’s just  too costly.
All others very solid quality and can recommend all of them with clear conscience. Close to the scene, no problems with visitors , everything working. Glitz has no elevator, Glitz and Express Pula required refundable key card deposit of 500 Glitz and 1000 Pula. Le Café Royale was only one checking and retaining guest’s ID. Also there possibility of bar noise sipping into room but I did not notice any annoyance.
My favorites are Classrooms and Baan Silom  for the same reason- very spacious rooms and in case of Baan Silom also sizable bathroom.
Tourist stuff
Maha Nakhon definitely worth the effort and expense, specially for over 60 with considerable discount. Great treat for the boys but make sure they enjoy it, if they are reluctant to go, don’t force it on them.
Glass closed when is raining and mornings are much , much less  crowded than afternoons and evenings but because of price crowds are still manageable. Shops accessible without need to buy  admission.
Icon Siam on first level definitely worth visit and in depth exploring. Terrace available through the Apple store is a must . Free boats from various points, most convenient from Saphan Taksin but may be crowded on weekend afternoons. Lots of street type food available and prices are very reasonable.
New subway / metro / line opened  connecting with existing one at Hualampong  , just cross the platform and Sanam Chai station is worth a visit itself  , as a bonus is short walk to Wat Po and not much longer to Grand Palace making it faster bur less eye pleasing connection then by river.
Apart from  Chao Praya Tourist Boat there’s new company Chao Praya River Line providing kind of competition. Departing times from Saphan Taksin pier are the same but on the river some stops are different so make sure you pick up one  suiting your itinerary better, One way 60 baht , day unlimited 200 and there are also 2 and 3 day passes.   I can spend whole day on the river.
Jomtien airport bus  ( 130 Baht) is not only mean to get to and from airport, it’s also very convenient and fast way to get to Bangkok proper thanks  to airport train as bypasses possible traffic jams on BKK leafy streets.
Food
I’m least adventurous when comes to food on vacations and utilize tried places like Foodland , Alt Heidelberg and Madrid Tavern Patpong plus street food. I don’t like chain restaurants.   When tried to be adventurous and ordered Phat Thai with seafood I got quite an allergy so watch what you are eating.
Two boys complained about food at Foodland but honestly I just think they used it as excuse to finish an appointment earlier. None of boys who were  not in rush had similar complain and I run almost all of my guys through Foodland at least once.
Massages
Senso great as always and Tim’s efforts definitely removed pain from my v calf after sitting on the plane whole day. My Hero , massage very short as they have other things in mind and think so do you but guys are 1st class and worth returning. Arena , first time in my long history of patronage disappointed , perhaps due to my poor selection of guy but there were lot of hunks. Why I picked up twink , don’t even ask ( his smile but smile is not massaging you) ? Magic Touch the same experience as at  Arena , need to try again to form an opinion, well appointed. Nakart uneven , known guy great , new to me the same like those two substandard, Royal House good and fun. Paradise a must when in Pattaya,  shiny, excellent  massage and I landed great guy.
Bars
Visited Lucky boys, Dreamboys, Hot Male, Fresh Boys, Banana in soi 4, Jupiter, Moonlight and Tawan in BKK, BoyzBoyzBoyz , Dreamboy, Xboys, ToyBoys, Winners Nice boys and @Home bar in Jomtien, offed from  Tawan – 2 guys ST and LT, BBB – 2 guys ST ,ToyBoys- 1 guy ST, Moonlight – 1 guy twice  LT, Dramboys- 1 guy ST, XBoys- 1 guy LT, @Home – 1 guy 4 times LT.
My favorite by far at the moment is Moonlight, great models, great  regular guys , great show, great selection , even mamasans quite unobtrusive . Dethroned BBB  in my eyes , chiefly because guy there are fully dressed, without number nor name tags. Tawan is still friendliest and least pushy, Dreamboys has great guy selection, 2nd best after Moonlight but music idiotically loud. Lucky Boys has most boys.
“Special”  shows are making come back and available in few bars. In every bar I visited  there were at least few boys I’d consider taking home so basically instead splitting hair in 4 as to what bar to visit just go wherever you fancy and chances of being bored or disappointed are very low if existing at all.
Of course long time residents may complain about boring shows, poor guy selection, pushy mamasans and expensive drinks but this is why we have them for and they are doing their best to satisfy their job description.
Guys
It is well known I like long time offs of muscular, hunky guys in late 20ties and up. It can be disputed and questioned by many but this is what I like  and prepared to compensate for. There are few pleasures greater than guy raising in dead of the night to sip a  gulp of water or go to the washroom, returning to the bed and embracing me or kissing like returning from far and wide. Waking up in the morning next to him and doing the same it’s just repaying favors.
Few readers noticed already that this trip was probably one of my best and this is correct, perhaps second best out of all 19 of them, only Dec 2015 was probably better because complete absence of disappointments but it was also 4 days shorter.
In fact only now, writing this report and digesting events again I see how great time I had. After first 2 nights a bit not what I expected , but just a tiny bit,  11 consecutive nights followed with long timers and none of them  not even once suggested they may be it’s time for him to go already. This is exactly what I like  and what I’m going to Thailand for .
 Z was kind of star of those 2 weeks and it was almost coincidental I bumped into him. Smart and witty but also with very good work ethic  and body to match, ‘lets go to the washroom and kiss” type of guy.
Whether fully dressed or absolutely not it was fun to be with him and still not even once he asked for anything.
But competition was very mighty, Wit , different type of person more quiet  but of great body and making impression he likes to be with me as much as I do with him , A of great musculature and prepared to be companion as long as I need him, never tired of my antic although of all he was most sleep deprived by me , Dam , of impossibly silky skin and very reserved who all of the sudden turned roaring lion in the room only to return to quiet himself in the morning. I owe to them one of best times I had in Thailand ever .
One may think that Tiger, both Arts, Handsome Cambodian, boy I offed from XBoys and ToyBoys , #65 , Kim from MyHero, Jack and Tim  from Senso were also runs but no, each of them was worth  a trip to see them and warranted repeat , either on this trip or in the future or did enough good deeds for me in the past so I could be very tolerant of they lacked something this time. And there was Roy from Tawan, Johnny from Dreamboys , #16 and model Smart from Moonlight who are my great hope for the future.
And Oud, who I did not manage to off, Dit who was absent day I was at Arena and great M from Senso  I only managed to shake hands with twice but carry so much of sweet memories from the past and his new boss Namu , one of three guys still in business I offed more than 10 times, all of them made that trip worth every penny and every minute spent choking on aircraft stale air. But there’s always next trip, right?
Forum Members
Thank  you to ChristianPFC, williewillie, Vessey, aussie_, biguyby, ggobkk, spoon, jimbiilp and Nickx for finding time to meet me , talk , bar hop and dine together.
That foray to MahaNakhon  with spoon , jimbillp , Z and A was most memorable and fun filled moment of that trip. Thank you gentlemen all.
I know colmx was coming to Pattaya on my last day and my apologies I did not manage to contact you, old people are slow  moving I guess
 
Thank you for your attention to this report, finally I shut up.

Day 13
As planned, after morning activities and me packing my suitcase as after three days at Baan Silom time to change hotel , we went to Icon Siam as A suggested he will be my guide.  I left luggage on reception to pick it up later.
This being Friday morning , fee boat from  Saphan Taksin was  fairly empty.
I’m not  a shopper and definitely not  a mall shopper but Icon made very good impression on me.
First we  walked through  Thai village themed first floor where we had dim sum type of breakfast, 8 small dumplings for 50 baht , I underestimated their filling power and ordered 2 servings but managed to devour only half of second serving , ChristianPFC would crucify me for ditching in the rest since he hates wasting food. A was full with whatever he had as well.  
Then coffee in one of the local enterprise stalls and it was excellent. I’m not big on coffee but this trip I had very good Thai coffee in few places and even  bought some to take home .
All that area is very interesting and worth spending half day sampling and trying. Upstairs  there are several  craft shops  made as Thai traditional houses , very enjoyable and interesting. Me enjoying mall, I can’t believe it but that’s was truth.
In one of stores I noticed painting with Burmese style pagoda and Buddha statue for 1000 baht but there was no sales person and I gave up, but not forever as we will see in due course, there’s always tomorrow.
Then A led me upstairs to a  mall proper and showed  me access to an outside terrace through Apple store form where beautiful vista of river and the city can be seen . After soaking in sights of that magnificent retail  cathedral   with strong  resolve  to return  to explore that first floor in more detail we returned to the hotel to pick up my suitcase and roll her over to D’Varee Pula Express in small sub-soi of Silom close to soi 2.
Another hotel where deposit, whole 1000 baht was requested.  Room pretty small  with windows replaced by those glass panels  but very well appointed and organized, actually I liked it very much as everything seemed to be in proper place. Full bathroom with bathtub and real window facing car park but covered by heavy black screen.
A bit if intimacy , actually quite a bit, as it’s hard to say good bye to such hunk and around 2 pm I released him before  time as agreement was for a whole day . He complained about a bit of neck pain and need for massage which was suggested I can finance but considering that he was well compensated  already I kind of refused  by  saying no.  Who says I’m spoiling guys?
  I returned again to an idea of surprise visit  to Pattaya to see Z again. Stupid and romantic  both   but I had that itching which become BIG itching  soon after A left so  I just shaved,   packed toothbrush into my day pack, took money belt from room safe , fired my tablet to book a room at The Venue in Jomtien Complex for just tonight  and soon was on my way to the Swampy.
Bus was due  in 20 minutes , enough time to have that standard backpacker's in Thailand fare- mango with sticky  rice. Only then I realized that it’s actually first time I try that delicacy ever ! How that’s possible I don’t know but truth.
On the bus I had enough time to ponder how stupid my idea was as Z could be absent, tied with some  handsome and rich competitor already or simply not even  happy to see me again. It was dark when I arrived and on approach to the bar what I see ready to collapse ? Z is playing pool with handsome, no idea if also rich farang.  That’s bad news. But on seeing me he beamed smile  number 1 which couldn’t be fake , after all I spent few days with him and saw that smile already. ‘ I can’t believe,  you are back ?” , “ I miss you” followed but I did not forget that he plays pool so told him to go to his guy and I will just have a beer.
One of guys brought me Chang and seconds later Z was just beside with THE NEWS. His companion offed him last night but told him already in the morning that he will not be offing him today and now just confirmed by saying ‘ go with the guy” , guy being me. Thank you Guardian Angel !
Sure I was prepared for the worst and in Pattaya there are few guys I’d be happy to see , Wit comes to mind immediately, but tonight I came for Z , not somebody else. Then he noticed that my shirt is soiled with what turned out to be ink from my pen in the pocked. It was actually heavily soiled so I suggested that I need to buy new one but only place I know where those are stocked is Pattaya Night market on 2nd road. ( I have very specific need for “ travelling” shirt  , it must have two passport sized pocked sealed by Velcro, nothing else ).
Getting there was easy because first songtaew we stopped was going to Naklua so in 15 minutes we were there going to store known to me where I  noticed those shirts , picked up my size , tried it , paid 350 baht in in less than 2 minutes I was proud owner, contents of old pockets transferred to new and old shirt ditched.     2 minutes, that is very relevant information in view of what will happen soon.
Z , with pleasure I must say visibly fired up that I bothered to come and see him again and strong in knowledge what his tip will be ( I added that 500 bonus  I forgot to give him when we parted few days ago ) suggested that we go across the street to Central Festival mall  because he want to buy some branded shirt in whatever store it was. It was 10 pm when we entered store, closing time was 11.
And yes it took all that time  for him to choose and buy that damn garment. First it was amusing , all that trying and deliberating  but when I noticed that staff is itching to go home I suggested he speeds up to no avail. Even my homophobic remark ‘ you must be gay  if you need that much time to buy a shirt ‘ did not work, LOL. But at 10.59 we left and they could close the gate.
 
Pleasant stroll  along Beach t road toward Walking street , I realized that whole day apart from breakfast and that sticky rice mango I actually did not eat anything ( I lost 4 kg during that 2 week trip ) so he suggested WineLand (?) restaurant we were passing by if only because he used to work in one in Phuket. Pizza was very poor  relative to one from Madrid Tavern in Patpong  but at least as consolation was twice as expensive, He had some seafood  which I did not even look at recalling my allergy bout week ago.
Then we walked all length of Walking street  back and forth as he never was there  and finally well after midnight we boarded baht bus at school to land in The Venue   for our steamy reunion.  His morning question’ do you ever sleep  ? “ was best finish of day 13 I could only imagine.