Terry4

In a generous moment, I would put that number at 80%. I have had plenty of stupid, lazy, greedy boys in the bars and freelancers.
 
An interesting case last week. I we agreed to meet at a shopping mall Pata Pinklao near his place. An hour later he messaged me that he does not like to have sex on first date, and I agreed. And hour later he asked to borrow 3000 THB, I declined. An hour later he asked to borrow 1000, I declined. An hour later I offered him 500 for sex, message was read by no reply. All conversation was in Thai, and most Thai boys who do not speak English are happy with 500.
 
You could argue that your number is about boys you met, whereas my above story is about a boy I have not met. But I can drag out plenty of examples of boys I have met who are stupid, lazy, greedy. But I'm getting better at detecting them early on and move to worthier cases.

Having coffee with a friend today I mentioned my next trip will be to the Phillipines,immediately he started ranting about street crime etc etc and how safe Thailand is particularly Pattaya compared to most tourist places of the World.
 
And i have to admit he is probably right.
 
I have never really felt threatened in Thailand particularly Pattaya.
 
I have been scared or a little fearful though mostly when walking thru straight farang areas particularly in the early hours.
 
I made the mistake once of walking through Walking street in the very early hours getting a few shoulder hits by drunk farangs walking past wanting to look for a fight ,luckily im a coward and apologised to them before scampering off with my head down.
 
The onky time i was probaly truly scared was a few years ago I was in a situation in a baht bus where 3 young farang hoodlums got on sitting opposite me in the early hours , All shouting out obscenties to passers by walking on the street, and carrying on like pork chops , spitting on the seats etc
 
I had my right foot out a little and one of them thought it would be funny to grab my thong and take it off, and then dared me to get it back and all thought it was funny,i decided to get off minus a thong,as i was getting off and walking to the passenger to pay he threw it at me hitting my head,
 
Only later did i realise how stupid i had been departing at that time up past Mr Macs hotel on the way to jomtien,in was in the midfle of no where and no one around at that time,had i responded to them they may have gotten off and gave me a bashing, but u dont think to exit somewhere like a 711 at the time.
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Apart from those incidents never had any fear .
 
I think compared to other places Pattaya is very safe,

I used to be concerned about it but as i got older i started now not to care what others think.
 
A remember a few years ago i took a boy 28y ( looked 18) on a flight to Chiang Mai,we went business class and a group hi so thais were pointing and laughing from the other side of the business lounge until i gave them a cold stare.
 
I dont care what others think anymore,im not here to please anyone or make others happy that i must please them.
 
As long as im not hurting anyine else or being disrespectful to others then i like to do what i want.
 
And nor do i judge others or stare at them if they are different ,eg race, disability , etc but the biggest hypocrites have to be gay men i find.
I was once in a baht bus and a large very obese man tried to climb in and i heard one of the gay farang guys sitting opposite me say out loud , (so the obese man could hear) , how “ disgusting “ some people are.
 
I was actually very tempted to shout back at this gay man sitting opposite me i felt so angry he could judge others when the large gentleman is not judging him.
 
But no i dont care what others think,there is some on this forum who going by their posts obviously have low self esteem and do care what others think even if they dont know who they are.
 
I used to take my then boyfriend to Sou Bukhao to straight places such as Murphys, and a few other places, and yes unfortunately sometimes you do get the uneducated 2 week tourists bogans/ chavs trying to make a comment but who cares i do what makes me happy, I dont own their problems ,why should i try to please them?
 
 
But I do think your personally ( correc5 me if im wrong) referring to “ young looking boys” of course of legal age but look young/ boyish which i imagine and understand you would feel uncomfortable being around in a public place, I probaly would too

There was a book written years ago by Michael former owner of Top Man Go Go in Sunee Plaza about the history of Pattaya gay scene., can't remember the name though Lol.
I find a lot of " gay" Thailand related books up at Canterbury Tales bookshop in Soi Chaiyapoon

I find that a little unbelievable, there is a little of name calling and disrespect to each other etc on that forum.

I used to be concerned about it but as i got older i started now not to care what others think.
 
A remember a few years ago i took a boy 28y ( looked 18) on a flight to Chiang Mai,we went business class and a group hi so thais were pointing and laughing from the other side of the business lounge until i gave them a cold stare.
 
I dont care what others think anymore,im not here to please anyone or make others happy that i must please them.
 
As long as im not hurting anyine else or being disrespectful to others then i like to do what i want.
 
And nor do i judge others or stare at them if they are different ,eg race, disability , etc but the biggest hypocrites have to be gay men i find.
I was once in a baht bus and a large very obese man tried to climb in and i heard one of the gay farang guys sitting opposite me say out loud , (so the obese man could hear) , how “ disgusting “ some people are.
 
I was actually very tempted to shout back at this gay man sitting opposite me i felt so angry he could judge others when the large gentleman is not judging him.
 
But no i dont care what others think,there is some on this forum who going by their posts obviously have low self esteem and do care what others think even if they dont know who they are.
 
I used to take my then boyfriend to Sou Bukhao to straight places such as Murphys, and a few other places, and yes unfortunately sometimes you do get the uneducated 2 week tourists bogans/ chavs trying to make a comment but who cares i do what makes me happy, I dont own their problems ,why should i try to please them?
 
 
But I do think your personally ( correc5 me if im wrong) referring to “ young looking boys” of course of legal age but look young/ boyish which i imagine and understand you would feel uncomfortable being around in a public place, I probaly would too

Lol..you maybe right, a lot more fatter and I don't dance like I used to !!
 
I don't know if I would enjoy a disco nowadays though, I'm probably turning into a cranky old B , Lol

Having coffee with a friend today I mentioned my next trip will be to the Phillipines,immediately he started ranting about street crime etc etc and how safe Thailand is particularly Pattaya compared to most tourist places of the World.
 
And i have to admit he is probably right.
 
I have never really felt threatened in Thailand particularly Pattaya.
 
I have been scared or a little fearful though mostly when walking thru straight farang areas particularly in the early hours.
 
I made the mistake once of walking through Walking street in the very early hours getting a few shoulder hits by drunk farangs walking past wanting to look for a fight ,luckily im a coward and apologised to them before scampering off with my head down.
 
The onky time i was probaly truly scared was a few years ago I was in a situation in a baht bus where 3 young farang hoodlums got on sitting opposite me in the early hours , All shouting out obscenties to passers by walking on the street, and carrying on like pork chops , spitting on the seats etc
 
I had my right foot out a little and one of them thought it would be funny to grab my thong and take it off, and then dared me to get it back and all thought it was funny,i decided to get off minus a thong,as i was getting off and walking to the passenger to pay he threw it at me hitting my head,
 
Only later did i realise how stupid i had been departing at that time up past Mr Macs hotel on the way to jomtien,in was in the midfle of no where and no one around at that time,had i responded to them they may have gotten off and gave me a bashing, but u dont think to exit somewhere like a 711 at the time.
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Apart from those incidents never had any fear .
 
I think compared to other places Pattaya is very safe,

I live in a apartment in a busy City but still cant cope with the noise in the early morning hours , especially a farang singing at high volume just outside the street facing second floor window of the Copa . 
He was actually singing that song forget the name but something about slamming the door and walking out,i just tried to tune out.

Dont wish to take the thread away from the topic but couldnt resist talking about my favourite food 
Oh i love mushroom sauce over mashed potatoes along with lots of pepper !! Yum !!

I have heard 'My Way' murdered several times now in Pattaya. The first was at a late-night party in Soi 6 and I was up in a short-time room in the bar across the road that faced onto the soi, doing 'the business' with a then regular. It was so loud and so awful it completely put us off our shag as we were falling about laughing at his dire performance. No matter, he would finish soon and we could start again - but no, the bastard did an encore of the same song. We knew when the fates were against us and gave up on our short-time and went and had a drink instead.
 
Another memorable rendition was delivered at a party in BoyzTown a few years ago, where a stage had been set up in the soi facing into the party bar, and there were various Thai song and dance acts. Then this tall, late middle-aged, rather fleshy farang got up, helped to his unsteady feet by his boyfriend, and descended onto the stage and was dutifully handed the mike.
 
Nobody had really given him much thought until he started to sing, - loud and flat but with alcohol-fueled emotion oozing from every fleshy pore of his body as he 'sang'.
 
Talk about a conversation killer, we all sat there transfixed into a stunned silence as he proceed his unsteady performance, hand gestures  and tears of emotion starting to stream down this wretched man's face as he put his all into this bloody song.
 
There was some polite applause as he finished - more, I suspect, for the compare that quickly got up and took the microphone off him before he felt emboldened to start again, and also for the poor boyfriend who had to come and get him and hep him back to his seat as he self-depreciatingly  acknowledged the applause.
 
Having said all that, if you listen to drunk Thai boys singing karaoke, they are no better; their standards are not high!  They tend to 'go live' on facebook at some ungodly hour of the morning armed with a guitar and a bottle of Thai whiskey, then the next day, sobered up, they think better of it and quickly remove the post LOL

I love My Way

And ( perhaps NOT) more surprisingly do you mean that farang are STILL hammering out "My Way" as out go to standard karaoke song !??   
 
I mean COME ON guys. get with the times, it was funny when the boys were laughing at us 10 and 15 years ago as "my way" was apparently the only song they thought farang knew, but hell it's 2018 we're STILL at it it seems, it's just embarrassing  !  
 
I mean surely come on as ....now.......the end is near and so we face the final curtain......    SHIT ! we're off again it seems !  :-)

I look at it like this, I do not hire anyone to perform a service without knowing the cost first. I won't even get in a taxi, let them take me to a destination and try to pay them a perceived going rate. Sure you may get away with it a few times but your luck will run out.

Sorry, I have never even opened the Timeless Knowledge forum.  Will do so tomorrow.  

But the time is not that far away when Thailand's moneyboys will ask 4000 baht for a session. Maybe already somewhere in the next decade if their economies keep growing. It is then economically not profitable anymore to travel that far for sex with the boys of your dreams (considering all others costs will also have risen: hotel, food, etc)

Whilst if I took the notion I would help whoever if I so chose ( I VERY rarely do !) but when I receive the usual random "can you help me" bullshit punts I always use the same (half) true answer i.e "Awww I'm so sorry, I'd love to help you if I could but I have an Asian BF here and he and his family need my money first and this month he needs even more than I even have for him, I'm sorry".
 
So, whilst they KNOW that's all probably just as much bullshit as their original request they somehow respect the reverse bullshit and realise you're playing their game right back at them, but if they're left with an doubt somehow it seems that they also seem to accept and believe that if I do and did have an (Asian) BF here that sure as hell MUST be already getting his claws into whatever spare cash they think I've got and so to them my ship has sailed and they just say "ok, no problem" and quickly move on to their next more gullible victim.
 
It's also interesting when they tell you some very specific detail about why thy need the money ( sick parent, motorbike breakdown etc) and a few months from now you ask "so, hows your mothers kidney op going now or how's your new exhaust that you needed?" the first response you usually get is " what, my mums fine what do you mean" quickly followed by a " OHHHH yeah, my mum, yeah she's fine now, her kidney grew back just last week" etc lol - meaning you KNOW they were full of shit the whole time.
 
The crazy thing for us then being that we assume we'll never hear from them again once they've been busted whereas they think nothing of being caught out and just carry on as normal ( if we're stupid enough to let them that is !)

My point was that since it is a very personal decision, who go to a forum to ask advice from people who are not aware of your personal circumstances?
 
"This is not the DPRK and I'm not Kim Jong Un."    This appears to indicate that you are a moderator or administrator of the forum.  I was not aware of that.

I have yet to get any request for help yet both from thailand or from other mbs in other places. It could be because im asian, or youngish or i dont show that i have a lot of money to spare? But i do tip accordingly to their quality of services on top of the agreed tips, especially if i want a repeat. Ive only share with one guy about what car i drive, how much money i make etc, simply because he asked, and i rather fond of him. But again, no money request or tales of sick buffalo. But then again, he has a degree, day work, a car, a bike, etc. so he isnt poor by thai standard.

Great post BobSaigon
 
Only the one being asked can decide if its genuine or not, its a very persobal decision.

There's an ex-bf in Thailand who, long after we parted company, contracted HIV and subsequently TB to go along with that, plus several ensuing complications.     And there's a fellow I very much like in Manila who really needs an operation on his heart in order to continue breathing.    And there's a fellow from Africa.  I have known him and his family (all now in the US) for more than 50 years.  His brother is facing foreclosure on his business unless he gets some help.
 
Should I help these people?  That's rhetorical.  I am definitely NOT asking for the opinions or advice of anyone on an internet forum.    To help any of the guys I mentioned, or not to help them, or to help someone in a go go bar who says he needs rent money, the decision is certainly mine alone.   If I have the money and I want to help, then I help.    If I don't have the money or think I'm being scammed, then I don't help.  
 
C'est tout.  Up to you, na.

One of the reasons I love Sunee and Good-Boys is precisely because it is a hands-on type of place.
 
Sunee, Jomtien Complex and Boyztown each have their own character, and more-so within individual bars in each area, and together they offer something for everyone, whether you want to get down and dirty, just sit and watch boys 'dance' on stage, or sit in an open fronted bar and have a relaxed chat with a boy - its all available. 
 
Just the same with the girl bars/agogos, some are hands on, some with fully nude dancing, some just topless, others clothed - take your pick.
 
As to the ping-pong balls - seems to me entirely harmless, agogo girls often wear special net gloves to be able to quickly store as many as they can grab. Other guys will just 'rain' 20 baht notes (occasionally 100 baht notes) on the girls - and the girls love it in their agogos, its all part of the fun of being there.
 
It seems to me far less common in boy bars. Its not how I choose to spend my money but you also get more 'lets party like a rockstar' customers in the girl bars; up to them - its their holiday LOL

Did you notify the reception staff ?
 
I would be very surprised if they didnt act on your complaint ?
 
My safe also didnt work ( the numbers didnt seem to work) and i notified reception who had a Handyman come to my room immediately,however as i didnt want to change rooms they gave me a key to lock / unlock the safe, I found their concern and service impeccable.

Its hard to work out who is genuine and who isnt .
 
Im like a447 and believe they have to do something for it, doesn’t mean anything sexual though it can be helping me with my bags to the next hotel or taking my clothes to the laundromat etc .
 
There are a lot of professional beggars. Eg they not only ask you
 
Unfortunately sometimes i have a soft heart and then find out i was scammed

Did you notify the reception staff ?
 
I would be very surprised if they didnt act on your complaint ?
 
My safe also didnt work ( the numbers didnt seem to work) and i notified reception who had a Handyman come to my room immediately,however as i didnt want to change rooms they gave me a key to lock / unlock the safe, I found their concern and service impeccable.