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that shower show by Fluke must be good since we have 2 good comments about it in row.
 
Nothing to be scared about him, I found him very friendly and generous with smile.
 
As for ignorance part , since third party / mamasan /  was involved , and you did not tip him you will never know who did not like you, Fluke or that mamasan. It's why I usually by-pass them although at Moonlight I did exactly the same -asked mamasan to bring him over but gave him 100 baht so he can focus on the task. It worked.
 
I need to re-examine my priorities as Nicky seem to be second guy along with  Soda from Tawan offed by me who reminds you your aunt. LOL

you seem to have pre-conceived notions about Moonlight based on what you hear from us. It may save you time and money but if you don't go you will never know.
 
Don't make mistake I made with Tawan. Even if I like bigger boys for first 8 trips I did not put my foot inside because comments I was reading on various fora. When finally braved door , what I saw was not what I heard before and soon was on Tawan monodiet LOL

We went to Moonlight two weekends ago.  Fluke and Tam were there, Babe wasn't.  They were all short (I'm 175 cm tall and they were all shorter than me, despite being in boots).  Show was so-so; they kept it brief which was good.  Fluke gave the sexiest shower show that I had ever seen; I hadn't seen that many but his was pretty sensuous and had a rhythm to it.  What I like about Fluke and Tam is that they bothered to build up their lower bodies so as not to look ridiculous in trunks or shorts.  Neither particularly appealed to me but if you asked me to pick I would pick Fluke - more interesting face and seemed to have a lively personality.  Tam had a chunky China girl (I say China, not Chinese) wrapped around him.  Fluke didn't have a customer and was actually sitting outside next to the ticket counter when we arrived. We should have invited him over for a drink come to think of it.  Bar wasn't that busy.  You had to buy a 400Bt ticket at the door which gets you one drink.  Second drink is 300Bt if I'm not mistaken.  Service was good; servers were polite and the compere greeted us as we entered.  The older ladyboy mamasan with the long hair came over a few times asking us to "off" a boy or get one to sit with us but a simple "yang" (not yet) and she left us alone.  By no means was she pushy.  I liked this bar but the selection of boys could have been better but maybe they had all been "offed" earlier as we went at 11-ish.

I visited Moonlight on two Fridays in late October and early November.
 
The management hasn’t completely refurbished but minor changes from Boy66 or Jupiter2002. Seating, the stage, shower booth in the same place.
 
Both night the place was 70 % full, much better than I heard from the forum’s reviews. I deliberately chose Friday as I thought reviewing on quite weekdays may not be kind to the bar.
 
The first impression, the crowd is older than Jupiter’s.
The farang ratio perhaps slightly higher.
I am comparing to Jupiter since Moonlight and Jupiter are the only gogo bars I visited this time.
 
The shows are ok.
It seems the management has the obsession that every shows must end with revealing male genital organs.
 
There was SM themed fuck show with wip that the dominant used the sub mercilessly.
 
There were 3-4 customers with a bottle of whiskey opened so it seems the bar is gaining regular customers.
 
I have seen the much talked about models, Tam, Nicky, Sunny,Babe, York, Tae and Fluke.
 
It is a good idea that the models walk around off stage wai ing customers after introduction on stage so that we could have a better look at them. By observing their gestures, Sunny,
Nicky and Fluke were friendlier than other models.
 
 
On both nights there were only about 15 boys(non-model), slightly towards twink side than Jupiter’s and mostly next door type.
I would recruit more boys if I was managing the bar.
 
At the end of the show all the boys dance this little dance with Moonlight song that reminded me the awkward Jupiter 2002 dance of BoyzBoyzBoyz.
 
I found exJupiter mamasan and waiter.
The old mamasan hugged me enthusiastically “I am happy to see you” but I didn’t tip him.
 
Finally, let’s talk about Mr Fluke.
he looked exactly the same as seeing on SNS.
 
 
I thought watching his shower show was worth 400 entrance fee.
 
He moves quite provocatively yet his look and hair and his massive muscles let me imagine him being an exotic wild animal that trying to break the cage ( shower booth)and get away which left me somehow an uneasy feeling.
To tell you the truth I was little scared of him.
 
 
I also watched Nicky’s shower show that was totally non-sensual.
 
On the first day I visited Moonlight I was determined to get to know Mr Fluke so as soon as I entered I called a mamasan, showed Mr Fluke’s photo and asked to call him.
Mamasan was delighted when he asked “(boy)drink ok?” and I nodded. He was calculating a fat tip from me.
 
Well, actually I was ignored by Mr Fluke!
 
Mamasan was keep saying “ after show he come” I waited till 11:40 but he didn’t come.
While I was waiting for Mr Fluke, Nicky tried to
offer himself but I declined as he reminds me of my aunt. He seemed most eager of all models.
 
I was like a teenager stood up by the date.
Of course I was feeling humiliated!
Maybe he thought I looked hideous or had a bad day at the office that night.
My friend who knows Mr Fluke a little consoled me saying that he is not the type of guy.
 
Whatever!

We as customers should not be concerned about inside bar politics and I practice what I preach by going directly to boys bypassing mamasans almost always.
 
So in my world trick is not  to get mamasan work for me , it to get me to work for me.
Not that they don't have their use and sometimes  are genuinely friendly and fun but I like to handle my affairs by myself.
 
Their job is to get boys offed but I let them to use their skills helping somebody  else. Exception apply specially If I want to see specific guy and it's nowhere to be seen I think it's better to bribe mamasan with tip to secure him  than leave it to  a chance , it's why last month when wanted to off Fluke I decided not to rely on a chance , slipped 100 baht to whoever mamasan was at hand  and he did the job. 
 
Yes , Fluke must have a habit of letting his customers to wait ,it was my case as well but I was updated that he will come soon, whatever it means , felt like eternity   but only because I was impatient.
When we were leaving another mamasan approached Fluke with info that somebody else want's him but he pointed at me and off we went. 
 
It why I strongly believe that Jasper's misfortune was sourced at lack of message from mamasan or like suggested above some other mamasan or client was simply faster and Jasper's mamasan did not want to lose  a face so let disappointment mushroom a bit. 
 
As for second part boys may be telling some truth. I know from talk to  escorts , both  ladies and guys that quite often they are taken exactly to what is mentioned - go to bar  or disco , have a drink and listen how their customer is unhappy in his marriage.
 
So just hand holding session is not parabole - it may happen quite often in rent for sex world. One of BBB boys even showed me his customer, handsome Malaysian who was his regular for just drink  and talk  sessions and I don't have any reason to think it was   not true. Another guy, from Tawan has semi-regular Indonesian whom he is escorting to DJ Station, spends time with him there , gets paid regular tip but said it never went with him to his hotel.   

Vinapu, while I agree with you. The fact is, I have a hope to find someone I like enough to off for a few days and dine with me at the Poseidon. It's the romantic vibe, it will not, in any way, affect the tip. This is for me.

That’s the spirit Jasper, you will land him next time. No need to feel humiliated, quite likely you were not rejected by Fluke at all but played out by mamasan. Who knows, maybe Nicky has tipped mamasan to secure him more customers? Or gives him a cut of off fee and Fluke does not? I do not recognise that mamasan, try the manager when you visit again. 
I am still amused you think Nicky looks like your aunt! I could only hope my aunt resembles a Moonlight model.

That’s the spirit Jasper, you will land him next time. No need to feel humiliated, quite likely you were not rejected by Fluke at all but played out by mamasan. Who knows, maybe Nicky has tipped mamasan to secure him more customers? Or gives him a cut of off fee and Fluke does not? I do not recognise that mamasan, try the manager when you visit again. 
I am still amused you think Nicky looks like your aunt! I could only hope my aunt resembles a Moonlight model.

Jasper, did you not try again for Fluke on your second visit? Which mamasan did you request him from?
 
I shared your comments with my expat friend who is now something of a Moonlight regular, he doesn’t off the models but each time he visits he will call one or two models down for a drink and chat. According to him, there is a complex system of politics in the bar (Moonlight not quite as bad as Jupiter apparently, where the owner enables mamasan power play). The boys say not all mamasans “are good” and they each are closer to some boys than others. Mamasans who do not like a certain boy may be more lax at procuring him business though if customer insists (and tips!) they will have no choice. The trick is to get the mamasan working for you, rather than their preferred boys. Though I have to say I am in agreement with Jasper, if a request was made and not delivered upon, I don’t see why mamasan should be tipped in advance - bit of a catch 22. It helps when you are repeat custom. The short fat manager was praised as generally being fair. And he agrees that Fluke is friendly and humble, so thinks your request may not have made it through or there may have been other factors involved, such as a second mamasan securing him for another customer. He encouraged you to try again and go early, before 10 pm well ahead of the first show when the boys are relaxed and there are fewer customers to compete for attention. The models go on stage from 9.15 - 9.30 pm onwards so it’s easy to point Fluke out- go through the short manager if possible and definitely not the long haired mamasan Linda. Usually in between rotations they are just sat backstage playing with their phones and bored, so they are happy for a diversion. Also to say you want to buy him a drink or give him a tip, not that you want to off him from the start as that can actually scare some boys when they don’t know the customer.
 
He also found it amusing that quite a few of the models insisted they didn’t have sex with customers and were paid from “show, dancing, drinking”, when we all know they are happily available for offs. Despite citing evidence to them, he wasn’t able to persuade them to change their line, with the exception of Nicky, who apparently has the most hustle in him, “I no sex with customer, but I go with you” without batting an eyelid.

Jasper, that scenario sounds VERY familiar. I have been in that position exactly. Time to nip this in the bud before it goes too far. I don’t mind giving the main boy “face” - I tip the mamasan and waiter well when he sits with me precisely because of this. But at the price of buying mediocre bottles in too noisy clubs (sometimes more than one), I could invite him somewhere really nice for dinner and feed him properly. I think I will point this out to him - and other boys- next time.

Jasper, did you not try again for Fluke on your second visit? Which mamasan did you request him from?
 
I shared your comments with my expat friend who is now something of a Moonlight regular, he doesn’t off the models but each time he visits he will call one or two models down for a drink and chat. According to him, there is a complex system of politics in the bar (Moonlight not quite as bad as Jupiter apparently, where the owner enables mamasan power play). The boys say not all mamasans “are good” and they each are closer to some boys than others. Mamasans who do not like a certain boy may be more lax at procuring him business though if customer insists (and tips!) they will have no choice. The trick is to get the mamasan working for you, rather than their preferred boys. Though I have to say I am in agreement with Jasper, if a request was made and not delivered upon, I don’t see why mamasan should be tipped in advance - bit of a catch 22. It helps when you are repeat custom. The short fat manager was praised as generally being fair. And he agrees that Fluke is friendly and humble, so thinks your request may not have made it through or there may have been other factors involved, such as a second mamasan securing him for another customer. He encouraged you to try again and go early, before 10 pm well ahead of the first show when the boys are relaxed and there are fewer customers to compete for attention. The models go on stage from 9.15 - 9.30 pm onwards so it’s easy to point Fluke out- go through the short manager if possible and definitely not the long haired mamasan Linda. Usually in between rotations they are just sat backstage playing with their phones and bored, so they are happy for a diversion. Also to say you want to buy him a drink or give him a tip, not that you want to off him from the start as that can actually scare some boys when they don’t know the customer.
 
He also found it amusing that quite a few of the models insisted they didn’t have sex with customers and were paid from “show, dancing, drinking”, when we all know they are happily available for offs. Despite citing evidence to them, he wasn’t able to persuade them to change their line, with the exception of Nicky, who apparently has the most hustle in him, “I no sex with customer, but I go with you” without batting an eyelid.

Or simply because they enjoy the company of their bar friends more than yours?

Nothing in life is free; you get what you pay for.
 
The actual cost of the fun is not the point for me - value for money is the most important thing. All I care about is whether or not I'm having a great time. If I am -and I always do - then it's worth it. If I had to worry about the cost - which btw is ridiculously low compared to Australia or elsewhere in the world - I'd stay home and be miserable.
 
But I hate wasting money so I target it very carefully. I certainly don't throw it around with "gay" abandon.
 
Jasper wrote:
 
"Take example of this Taiwanese customer in Jupiter I have seen in September and November.
He is late thirties or early forties, wearing expensive brand clothes, drinking champagne surrounded by 4-5 cute boys, tipping lavishly to boys on stage.
He watches the show smiling all the time and when show ends he goes with 4-5 boys and have a meal/club.
My friend who is a friend with one of the customer’s favourite boy informed me that this guy loves pretty boys and he goes to shopping with boys and buys gifts for them too."
 
Good for him! He's the perfect example of someone who obviously believes he is getting value for money. And like Jasper, I also like watching customers enjoying themselves. If they can afford it, good luck to them. Fun does indeed need to be "oiled by money." The more money you can afford to spend, the more fun you can have.
 
On a recent trip I reported watching a middle-aged Chinese lady holding wads of 1000 baht notes and freely distributing them to guys on stage every time they had a shot of whisky she had provided for them. When the money had gone she simply pulled another wad out of her handbag and the fun continued. She, the bar and the guys on stage were all winners. What's not to love about that?
 
The whole idea of a holiday for me is to go home with a huge smile on my face and a desire to go back for more. And that's what happened after my first visit to Bangkok around 15 years ago. Sure, I was a novice and discovered I was tipping 3 times the going rate for an hour or so of fun. But I wasn't angry or in any way upset, because it was one of the best experiences of my life and that guy introduced me to something I previously considered to be unattainable to someone past his used-by date.
 
And btw, I agree totally with paborn's comment about guys in the bars. In my experience 99.9% are decent, honest guys just out to earn a living.

z909 - I completely agree with you.  Frankly Taxi drivers are, indeed, sharks bar boys behave far better.

ceejay, I do understand your doubts whether this Asian guy is a genuine customer. I cannot say100% but I have seen enough Asian big tippers in Jupiter throwing money around in the bar the probability of him being a genuine customer is quite high. Some Asian customers just love flaunting money in the bar, the practice I have not seen farang customers doing for sometime. 
Take example of this Taiwanese customer in Jupiter I have seen in September and November.
He is late thirties or early forties, wearing expensive brand clothes, drinking champagne surrounded by 4-5 cute boys, tipping lavishly to boys on stage.
He watches the show smiling all the time and when show ends he goes with 4-5 boys and have a meal/club.
My friend who is a friend with one of the customer’s favourite boy informed me that this guy loves pretty boys and he goes to shopping with boys and buys gifts for them too.
 
 
I also saw Asian customer giving a shot of whiskey and 100 baht note to every boy on the catwalk, over 30 boys?
 
It’s fun watching big tippers enjoying themselves.
It’s good for the bar and boys morale.

The trouble with me is I am a terrible old cynic. Just suppose guys that the Chinese guy is a shill - tipping with the bar's money- which goes back to the bar at the end of the night! Reason - to sucker other, inexperienced, customers into accepting this level of tipping as a norm - and putting some real new money into the system. That's what shills do.
There - I said I was a cynic.Sometimes comes in handy in this neck of the woods.

no idea but my highly educated guess would be it was not his first visit and he prepared list previously or even it was given to him by somebody else , along with money.
 
Not that I care but  I just described what I saw, list and money ,  being sober, I haste to add. 
 
( I posted my input before I read what Jasper had to say above in case somebody wonders )

Probably the list is for the waiter.
He didn’t distribute the money himself but had waiter to hand over the money for him.
 
Asian customers often let mamasan tip the boy on his behalf when the boy is on stage.
 
Or he had the list because his friend asked him to tip for his boys as the friend was unable to attend that night.
 
It happened to me at Moonlight.
My friend asked me to tip his favourite Moonlight guy so I showed his photo to the mamasan to call the guy.

Tips are for service rendered, as in past tense. The service is done. So I don't tip to get it,  I reward it when it happens.  On the other hand, if he is just wonderful and I hand over the minimum then I really am stingy and deserve the reputation I will get.
 
As for your favorite. If you can't afford it it is fair and legitimate to tell him you want to be with him several more times but must reduce the tip. If he says no, move on.
 
I don't know if there is a right or wrong but this is what I would do.

You simply think too much like boys say.
 
Like paborn  explained above it's other way around.  Tip is increased because performance, in case I described above tip was actually discussed and set so boy knew what he will get. In fact it's almost always a case with my guys- I like compensation and time frame set before we go.
 
Pay to your guy what he is worth to YOU, if you gladly repeatedly take him off obviously there's no mistake and no overtipping.
If you say he is right for you why you worry about payment in such dream come true situation we all with to be in.
 
Sure if you feel he is too expensive just jump the bell and tell him that you can give him only  xxx instead of xxx +500. Sure you risk discovering that he doesn't like you anymore, in such a case at least your question will be answered. Big chances are though, with repeated offs, that he will not blink an eye.
 
Read my  October trip report and this was a case with one of Moonlight guys I offed on my first and also last night, I was running out of money so told him up front what new , substantially reduced tip will be  without any explanation and he took it matter of factly , no slightest decrease in performance  . 
 
Keep in mind , like everybody else , guys like repeated custom not only for money but also as self -esteem booster when his bar friend see that HIS farang came  perhaps to off him again. 
 
 
Sure boy may go with others for less so you feel you are taken advantage of but you don't know if there's another side of equation. He may have customers lavishing on him much more than you do and he still goes with you gladly as you can see.
 
One of Jupiter boys drives shiny motorcycle give to him by grateful customer and still  smilingly goes with me long time for the same tip I gave him when we met first time few years ago at different bar , never even hinting he'd like more 

Sorry if this sounds like a silly question. How do you (all members not just vinapu) feel knowing that the extra affection the boy shows for you is the result of a hefty additional tip? Accept this is the reality of the business or do you lean towards favourites who are genuinely affectionate regardless of tip?
 
I ask because I made the amateur mistake of overtipping when hearing the infamous “up to you” so as not to appear stingy. And now am aware one of my preferred boys is available to other customers for far less and when I meet him several times on one trip, it adds up. But am not sure if his affection/service will drop if I try to cut back on him. Would be nice to easily find a new favourite but he is just right for me. Also I suppose part of me is dreading discovering that all the affection I enjoy which seems genuine is nothing more than dollar signs in his eyes hahaha.

For anyone who might be interested, most of the Moonlight models are between 168-174 cm. Yes I casually asked one model and then shaved a few cm off his enthusiastic overestimation (unlike his age LOL) as he was below the claimed height when standing shoulder to shoulder with me. Most of them line up around the same height on stage, York looks to be the tallest. Babe is below this range and likely stands around 160 -163 cm, not quite dwarf range but not tall even for a Thai boy. Oddly he does not look out of proportion on stage despite very muscular upper body. But in general all the models are shorter and smaller than they appear on stage and in photos.
Ps: In my day job I do casting for some commercial ads so occupational hazard is that I tend to size up height weight and how one may appear on screen.

For anyone who might be interested, most of the Moonlight models are between 168-174 cm. Yes I casually asked one model and then shaved a few cm off his enthusiastic overestimation (unlike his age LOL) as he was below the claimed height when standing shoulder to shoulder with me. Most of them line up around the same height on stage, York looks to be the tallest. Babe is below this range and likely stands around 160 -163 cm, not quite dwarf range but not tall even for a Thai boy. Oddly he does not look out of proportion on stage despite very muscular upper body. But in general all the models are shorter and smaller than they appear on stage and in photos.
Ps: In my day job I do casting for some commercial ads so occupational hazard is that I tend to size up height weight and how one may appear on screen.

You have to admire the hustlers...although very aware of what they are doing, I usually give in because I admire a good work ethic. LOL. One of my Line boys has just discovered photo editing and now sends out his selfies with “Hello how are you I miss you” photoshopped on. Saves him the time of individually messaging each customer. I don’t know why he thinks we are too stupid to notice this...but again, I do admire a boy who’s trying to turn himself into a business. Not just one who coasts along on his looks expecting money to shower down from the heavens.

Day 5 and 6
 
A guy who I made contact with (but not met) on Jackd a while ago on my last trip and had been skyping a few times was coming to visit me, for a couple of nights as there was a Thai holiday. The skyping was for mutual benefit: he wanted to practise and improve his English and I wanted to do the same with my Thai. At no point had we discussed being in a relationship but during his visit it appeared that he considered us boyfriends. I might be naive here but we had never discussed such a thing! In fact, once when he asked me about sleeping arrangements, I told him there was a comfortable couch, or he was free to share the big bed, which he opted for.
 
Whilst in bed later, he then asked me when I last had sex: I lied that it was last week(!). This appeared to shock him as apparently he thought we were now exclusive! So it was a tad awkward and we spent the night on different sides of the bed.
 
The next day he decided to go back to Bangkok. I have to say I was quite relieved given the awkwardness. It's a shame though as the skyping might end now.
 
So, unspent, as it were, I headed to try out another Chivarome branch (South Pattaya road. Near the police box junction).
 
I picked a handsome Thai guy, opted for another 90 minutes, and had another good massage. Not the best hand and blow job (but then the bar has been set very high this trip) but his willingness to get naked was much appreciated and I left a happy man.
 
Day 8
 
I invited a lad I had met the previous evening at a Jomtien bar (which was closed for the day) to come and swim etc at my hotel. After a bit of a hiccup with him not bringing his ID card, the afternoon went well, and with the onset of some rain, we retired to the room where we had a great time together. The only painful issue is that his English isn't good and he seems to have no conversational ability in Thai, so I wouldn't especially want to take him for a meal and sit in silence.
 
However then my ex boyfriend messaged me saying he was driving down from Bangkok and would be arriving to see me at 5. So I had to encourage the bar guy to leave in time.
 
Needless to say the dash from Bangkok was less about seeing me and more about "borrowing" some cash. However he is going to drive me to Nong Nooch, then back to Bangkok on my departure, then to the airport after a couple of days.
 
To be continued