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The undoubted unpleasantness of the job underlines any tip I offer. I often try to put myself in their shoes and wonder how they do it night after night. They put themselves in danger every time they leave the bar with a stranger and have to hope that the customer will treat them well back in the room. (I know from chatting to the guys that this is not always the case.) My regular guy in Pattaya, who I spend my holiday with every visit there, survived a very sad childhood marred by poverty and an abusive father. He didn't take up this work because he wanted to; as a straight guy, having sex with old farang was the last thing he wanted to do. His early experiences in Happy Boys were pretty horrific for him but he persevered and managed to get used to what he had to do to make a living. There are many new guys coming into the business and I'm always aware that for many it is a daunting prospect to agree to follow a complete stranger back to his hotel, not knowing what would happen or what demands would be put on them. That's why I'm rather free with my tips (but I don't throw money at them) and like most punters, treat them nicely.

Given what's happened over the past 2 years, I'd do anyone! Am I desperate? You bet I am. Great news about Adams Apple re-opening.

They'll do, too!

But perfect for me!

Is it just me, or are others also wondering what the fascination is with 2 guys beating up on each other? Being elbowed in the face or kicked in the ribs doesn't do it for me. What am I missing? Mind you, I would love to admire those toned bodies, but only in the gym, not in the ring. There was a Thai kickboxer who got into trouble for posing naked in a gay magazine. My God, he was hot!! Here's hoping Tiago doesn't get hurt!

It's true that this topic always seems to generate a lot of heated discussion and I don't know why. When compensating a guy for his services I first look at the going rate and set that as my minimum. After that I look at the value for money side and adjust my payment accordingly. I think the guys have a terriblly difficult job, serving customers old enough to be their grandfathers. Some are also rather unattractive, others are rude and demanding - and yet the guys have to soldier on. Of course some can refuse to service certain clients but others are forced to by their bar. How they manage to get hard has always been a mystery to me. The thought of having sex with someone like myself must be a very daunting prospect, softened for the boys perhaps by the fact that I'm nice to them and show them total respect. I can also be quite generous if I really like someone. I find the Thai boys I "interact" with to be polite, friendly, totally honest and respectful of me and my "needs", basic as they are. They are lovely people. They've gone through the tough Covid times so I will be extra generous when I get back to Thailand.

If some random guy tried to move in on the boy I was with in a bar, I'd just politely say "Sorry, but the boy is with me." If I was sitting with a guy and I did not intend to off him I would let him know right from the start and say he was free to go if he thought he could get an off. Business is business. I've been in the situation when a guy I had offed a number of times over my holiday was sitting with another customer when I arrived at the bar. I met the boy outside when he went for a smoke and told him I would off him if the other guy had no intention of doing so. He returned to the customer and found out he was not going to get an off. I signalled to him to continue sitting with the customer and earn a tip and we'd get together after the customer had left. That way, we were all happy - smiles all around. Isn't that what it's all about? Although I have never been in the situation where a boy I was sitting with randomly got up and joined another customer, if that ever happened I wouldn't say anything. But I'd be reluctant to have anything to do with him next time I was in the bar.

Oriental Hotel. It's all you'll ever need. Their high tea is an experience up there with the best.

Straight guys who refuse to do anything in bed because "I am man" are not uncommon. Often, for example, they will only suck with a condom. Others will only let you jerk them off but will not touch you at all. That's why it's so important to clearly state what you expect before you off him. I've always thought that guys on the game who want to make big money quickly need to be able to bottom, even if they don't really like it. That way they double their chances of getting offed. It's a oi-brainer. Similarly, I learnt how to bottom so that now I have doubled the number of guys I can have fun with. Top or bottom, it no longer matters. If he's attractive, I'll take him! And when I go for a massage we'll top each other. Twice the fun!

Many years ago, on a visit to Chiang Mai, I did quite a long trip up the Ping River and stayed overnight on a raft hotel. The next day we went on a trip through the jungle and also visited a primary school. It was something different and a very enjoyable experience.

Min, those parties came to an end with Covid and now Golden Cock has closed. I also had some fun times at Natureboys so I'm looking forward to seeing what's happening there these days. I presume Super A has also gone.

Alternatively, the thread could be re-named and "Cambodia" added to the title. Just a thought. This is one of those meandering type topics where there is no particular focus as such - just "adventures" and would be very difficult to untangle. So a link may indeed work here.

I have 2 regulars - 1 in Pattaya and 1 in Bangkok. In Pattaya I only have sex with my friend whereas in Bangkok I have a different arrangement; I have sex with him every afternoon but I choose someone else for my evening fun. I was a regular at Super A and Natureboy, although Super A fell of of favour. My regular worked at Golden Cock and because the 3 bars were in the same Soi, they all knew everything that was going on with me. It turns out they were all friends! "You fuck Bee last night. I know. And you go to Japanese restaurant with him." Not only did they know what I got up to, they also knew some personal info about me as well. Although they rarely criticised their customers - perhaps they think we all know each other! - they did tell me about weird requests they got from some clients. They told me the girls in the Soi Yeepun (where the bars catering to Japanese guys are) referred to the Japanese as 555 - pronounced hâa hâa hâa in Thai. Five inches, five minutes, five thousand baht. Because I've been with my regulars for years I'm quite generous towards them, but only because they never ask for anything. As soon as someone asks for money, it's bye bye. But not before I point out that nobody ever gave me money for nothing - I've always had to earn it. Luckily, my 2 regulars are resourceful and hard-working and have done quite well for themselves, resisting the temptation to go out partying every night. When I was a butterfly I did get the odd request from guys I had sex with for money to be sent to them each month. I told them that if I was going to spend money I would want to spend it with them in Thailand, not just send it to them. That doesn't make any sense to me at all. Where's the value for money in that? If I spend money on a guy I want something back in return - just a smile is enough. I get a big kick out of seeing the guys happy. I remember a guy in the old Eros bar showing me a booklet made for bar girls, teaching them the English they needed for their job. There was a whole page of expressions to use when begging for money to be sent each month!

I've always seen that Soi as the Bangkok equivalent of Pattaya's Sunee Plaza. Being hidden in a dark alley away from all the bright lights of the other gay areas, it is the home of hands-on sleaze. At the 3 bars before Covid it was cock everywhere you looked. Cum one, cum all.

True. But this idea mirrors that of bars which put up prices when business is slow. I've seen it so many times.

The Thai way of thinking never ceases to amaze me. Doesn't anybody there have a business brain?

I think so, too. The original poster, Min, decided to write about his trip to Phnom Pehn in this thread and around 20 posts on PP were made before mine. Did you not see them? Or do you have another agenda?

I did a similar thing. On my first visits in the early 2000s I was paying my regular guy, Jack, 3000 baht ST because I had no idea what the going rate was. But I don't regret it because he had an amazing long, fat Isaan dick and a slim, toned body. I was in heaven! I couldn't believe he was actually standing there in my room, naked and with a massive hard-on. And that I could enjoy his company every single night. I think I got great value for my money so no complaints from me. At that time I was top only, as was he, but we still had a good time. If I met him today I'd willingly bend over for him. lol I saw him 15 years or so later in Boys Bangkok and he hadn't changed at all! Damn!

I'm not a regular drinker - I usually stick to diet coke- but I got caught up in the atmosphere of the bar every night and drank way too much. And around closing time I had trouble keeping my eyes open so I don't think I would have been able to do much in bed. Besides, I take my sexual adventures seriously and need to be in top form! Lol

The bar owner is a lovely Spanish guy and his Cambodian partner works as the manager /part-time lady boy in the bar. I never got around to taking a guy from Space Bar; they are mostly straight although that normally doesn't worry me at all. Maybe it was because I had already had some very energetic sex earlier in the night at Hatha Khmer Massage , or maybe it was because it was too late and I was too drunk. I'd really love to go back to Space Bar but I wonder if it world be as much fun as it was before. BTW, a guy working there was also a pimp and offered to introduce me to someone for sex. I didn't take him up on his offer.

These trip reports about Phnom Penh bring back so many wonderful memories of past visits. I have stayed at A&P on many occasions and thoroughly recommend it, although when I was there the staff never walked around in their underwear. I used to go to nearby Hatha Khmer Massage every evening to meet up with Mr Bubblebutt - the cutest guy ever with the most magnificent butt imaginable. We flip-flopped for an hour - the price was US$45 which included entry fee, massage fee and $25 tip for the guy. Then I'd head off into town for dinner and then walk straight to Space Bar where I spent the rest of the evening. And yes, most of the guys there are straight but some are up for some discreet fun in the bar. One of the waiters sat there with me every night and we had long groping sessions under the table. He was quite well-hung and hard as a rock but unfortunately, I never got to see his equipment. Min, your reports have now got me thinking about a return visit.

This is a very timely post because I was talking to Dr Craig Challen last week. He was one of the 2 Australian cave divers involved in the rescue. Most of what he said I had heard before, but it was great to hear it straight from the horse's mouth, so to speak, and to ask him some questions about the rescue. He's a real hero, although that accolade does not sit well with him. He's a lovely, humble guy.

I prefer to convert the 100 baht note into coins and insert them one at a time! 😁

Japanese guys are often reluctant to bottom for foreigners because they think we are all too big for their cute little butts to accommodate. (A guy has never refused to bottom for me 😢) The KOC website states in English that the boy won't bottom, but in Japanese it says he will. In years past I think the KOC website used to say that although the guy will bottom he reserves the right to refuse if he thinks the client's cock is too big.

I had a fantastic experience at a dental clinic (Smile Dental?) in Siam Paragon shopping centre. I'd go back in a heartbeat. I also get a facial (of the tyoe you're talking about!) when I go to Thailand. In Bangkok you'll find lots at Siam Paragon. In Pattaya there are lots in Royal Garden and Central Festival shopping centres. As for exercise, I go for a walk every day. I live on the coast and there is a walking path right across the road that goes all the way along the coast for kilometres. I put on my headphones and off I go.