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continued…Installment 11: Started off the week with a bang! Chaichana guy came over at 12:30pm just like last Monday. He even sent an occasional text during the week checking in. Paradise guy was needing some attention, so agreed to meet him at the shop for a session and then we went to dinner. Didn’t do the usual two hour session, though…only 90 minutes. Chaichana guy stayed way longer than I expected. He was meeting a friend early evening, but was in the mood for some serious cuddle time. He is far more romantic now that we have been together several times. Had a text exchange with the cutie at Rainbow Dragon wanting to know when we can get together. We set something up for later in the week before he goes to work at the club. Cam also sent a message, so we agreed to an overnight on Tuesday. He was doing his morning exercise routine and sent me a photo. Need to keep some type of scorecard in order to keep track of them all. lol. Chaichana guy was curious about my sleeping habits. Wasn’t quite sure what all the questions were for, but assumed it was leading somewhere. He finally said he wanted to know what time I normally went to sleep because he could come over when the shop closed at midnight and spend the night with me, then we could go have breakfast together in the morning before he would return to work at 11am. He is adorable, so I just might take him up on that offer. I seem to be forming this small group of regular guys and am enjoying the attention. However, trying to make time for them all on a regular basis is not only going to be exhausting, but also reduce the amount of time I have to visit the various massage shops I missed on my last visit. Already thinking a return trip later in 2026 might be a necessity. I must be operating on the @vinapu calendar. lol.

Has anyone actually been to this shop? I have been wanting to give it a try, but am specifically interested in one of their masseurs named Ice. I believe he was at History of Massages at one point in time. In their daily Line updates, he is always listed as fully booked. On their website, he is never even listed in their daily schedule. You can literally go through the entire month of March and he is never listed. I have also noticed that many of the therapists they show on their website and in the daily updates are not listed in the daily schedule. Not sure what is up with that. Thought I would see if anyone has been and what it was like. Guess I could always just send them a message asking about the availability question regarding Ice. Just seems strange to me. https://residencessaladaengspa.com/en

Dinner at G's. So delicious. Looking forward to going back Saturday evening to meet several forum members for dinner.

continued…Installment 10: Decided I would venture over to Phaya Thai today and check out Ganymede Spa. Was going to make a full day of it, planning to go late afternoon to Ganymede followed by an early dinner at G’s. Have yet to eat here, and wanted to get to Soi 4 early enough so I could get an outside table and do some serious people watching. After that, I thought I might pop back into Banana Club and see if the cute number guy I saw on Friday evening was working tonight. I wasn’t sure if Sunday would be a slow night, or it would be just as busy as Friday was, but I didn’t want to take a chance so planned well in advance. As an interesting side note, Paradise guy has this uncanny ability to contact me when I am on another adventure. I was on BTS when he sent a text asking me what I was doing. I was not that surprised, considered we had neither one texted on Saturday. I expected to hear form him sometime on Sunday. He just always seems to catch me in the act of misbehaving. lol. I was a little unsure about the location of Ganymede. When using Google maps street view, it showed a single story run down shack that was painted pink with a metal roof in what looked like a dead-end alley. Not exactly the most prime location. @macaroni21 described it perfectly with the perfect photo as well. It was easy to get to taking Exit 2 at Phaya Thai BTS, walk around 100 meters (just past Thailand Department of Livestock Development building, turn left onto a private driveway for Pathum Wan Resort. Shops line both sides of the private driveway. Ganymede will be approximately 100 meters down on the left just before the resort. There is a overhead sign clearly marking the shop. Based upon previous posts, I was expecting to enter and immediately find a flight of stairs up to the next level, with a place to leave shoes before heading upstairs. They have either moved since those posts or done some major remodeling. You walk into a reception area with sofa, receptionist desk, cold water station, and place to exchange shoes for slippers…all on ground level. There is a fringe type divider and on the other side of that divider is an area where available guys are hanging out. While you can make a reservation and request a specific therapist if you know their name, in general this is a walk-in shop. It is a small shop with three upper floors, two massage rooms per floor plus a communal bathroom on each floor. There were three therapists for me to choose from. I would classify all three as twinks. They offer Aroma and Milk Bath massage. Aroma is oil, and Milk Bath isn’t actually a bath, but a milk based cream. Options are 60, 90 and 120 minutes. They have a section on the menu called Special Services, and Body to Body is specifically listed here. I opted for this one. Pretty sure the Aroma or Milk Bath would get you the same end result since this is an H-type or #4 shop, but I didn’t want to leave anything to chance and wanted the guaranteed action of B2B. I selected Ben, who it turns out is actually Thai. THB 1400 for 120 minutes B2B plus guaranteed THB 2000 tip for therapist. I apologize, but don’t recall the price for 60 and 90 minutes, but would be less than 1400. The restroom on each floor consists of two sinks with ample counter space, two toilets in private stalls, and two showers. Ben took me one floor up and showed me the restroom, then took me to the second massage room. The room was quite large and contained a decent size massage table, small stand with a lamp for atmosphere, small table for supplies, and wall mount rack for clothes complete with hangers and robe. For being an older, long time establishment, I was actually impressed with the facility. Ben asked me to shower while he went for supplies, then joined me in the restroom but in the second shower. I wasn’t expecting much in the way of massage, but he was actually quite good and thorough with coverage and used a variety of strokes. Dry thumb presses were almost too painful and I had to ask him to ease up just a little. Oh, and he was naked from the get-go, so no pretense about where this was going to ultimately lead. Let me just say that Ben was very well endowed. I mean to say he was hung like a horse, or perhaps I should say like a Thai elephant! I am surprised I was able to walk to the BTS station after he was finished with me. He had quite the surprise hiding in that pair of pants. He identifies as gay and was quite the kisser, too. That always gets my engines revved up. Their website is not current and doesn’t appear to be updated in quite some time, nor do they have much of any other online presence. Would certainly go back to this shop, and yes, we did exchange contact information and I hope to see him again. Photos online of therapists on not current. Probably none of those guys have worked at this shop in quite some time. If you want to request someone specific, ask them via Line to send you photos of who will be available at a certain time. Made my way back to Phaya Thai BTS. For a Sunday afternoon, BTS was packed both directions to and from Ganymede. It was almost as bad as rush hour during the working week. I was not expecting that. Transferred train lines and headed to Saladaeng BTS. A little too early for dinner just yet, so walked around Silom Complex, grabbed an iced latte at Starbucks, and did some people watching. I also think I spotted the area @Durian had mentioned as being very cruisy near escalators on 2nd and 3rd floors. Possibly discovered the guy he mentioned they picked up and invited back to their hotel room. I eventually made my way over to Soi 4 and went directly to G’s. There was only one other table occupied outside so I was able to sit on the deck and enjoy the scenery while eating dinner. I was really impressed with the food. Wow! I certainly wish I had stopped by here before now, and will definitely be going back again before I return to Denver. Only two negative things I would say about it: 1) even with a posted no smoking sign, they allowed smoking and even brought the customer an ashtray; 2) I am not a country music fan, but that is what they were playing while I was there. I could have passed on that. Kitty was sleeping under a table that had a reserved sign on it. Not sure if that meant the table was reserved for the cat, or guests coming later. lol. Soi 4 was not nearly as busy or active as it had been on Friday evening. It was still early, so I thought it might gradually pick up. It was interesting to observe people in general. Straight couples curious. Husbands would grab hands of their wives for fear of being accosted. Older couples snickering and whispering about the entertainers. Families with small children. Noticed a number of Jupiter guys heading to work. From my perspective, their body language communicated arrogance as they walked down the street towards the bar. After awhile I got bored with this and it was still early for any shows, so I decided to get a food massage at Adam. Wasn’t really interested in anything else but foot massage. Just a nice relaxing hour to chill out and let the world pass me by. After that, I walked back next door to Banana Club and sat out front. I was the only one out there, so the bar boy wasn’t that busy and able to chat a little. Excellent English skills. Originally from Cambodia, but lived in Thailand since he was a little boy. He told me about the different businesses on that street. Thai Female owner of Banana Club. Owner of Unicorn stopped by to chat with her. He is American from California. Turns out he also owns Rainbow Dragon. Just returned from a trip to Philippines. Seems like quite the character. Anyway, show started at 9:30pm, so I went inside the club then. Got to see the beginning of what I missed on Friday with Cam. Last half of the show was just a repeat for me. Unlike Friday, there were fewer people milling around outside Soi 4, but inside the club were many people. I counted 26, with about one third of that being female customers. As I said in my previous post about this club, some of the number tag boys are really past their prime. The one I thought was really cute was there. I wasn’t quite sure if I was going to invite him to go with me or not. Initially I asked the waiter to give him a THB 100 tip from me. Several other customers invited a few of the number boys to sit with them for a drink. After watching him take a second spin around the stage on rotation I motioned for him to come and join me. Decision made. Now negotiating begins. Bought him a drink and we chatted a bit. Decent English. From Cambodia. Not sure what is up with me and Cambodian guys this trip. I seem to be setting a pattern. He has been here 8 months. Shares living space with three other guys. Has a large family…4 older brothers and one older sister. He is the baby in the family. Anyway, I wasn’t looking for Long Term/Overnight…just a few hours. THB 380 drink, THB 500 off fee, he wanted THB 3000, which made me laugh and wasn’t going to happen, especially since it wasn’t overnight. Offered THB 1500 as a counter and accepted. He was cute and good, so with tip I ended up giving him THB 2000 before he left to go home. Was lucky again, as he identified as gay and was a fantastic kisser. Naturally, exchanged contact information. Next time I will invite him to spend the night.

I don't know about Saunas, as I have never been. Not some place I think I would really enjoy. Maybe in my younger days, but way out of my league now. lol. So far, THB 500 seems to be the standard off fee to the club/bar if you take a guy out. The rest is something you negotiate directly with the guy. Others on the forum are far more experienced with the negotiations than I am, but I aim for no more than THB 1500. Most will start at a higher request but seem to quickly come down once they realize you understand the game and are not a newbie...so to speak. Massage rates vary depending on type of massage and duration. In general, I think you can get a 60 minute aroma/oil massage most places for between THB 400-600. I have noticed that some shops even have 'happy hour' prices in Silom. Many of the shops also list a minimum tip for the therapist. If it is a legitimate shop, the tip seems to be very minimal. The S-type or #2 shops seem to post a slightly higher minimum tip. I think it is possible to walk away from these shops easily paying THB 1000 or less. The SS and H type shops (#'s 3 & 4) are definitely going to cost you more. The massage itself might not be more expensive, but tips are higher, plus negotiations take place behind closed doors...so to speak.

continued…Installment 9: Was a hectic two days with Paradise guy, then a fun-filled and wonderful night with Cam. Thought it would be a good idea to just chill out during the day before considering what opportunities might present themselves later on Saturday. Relaxed by the swimming pool in the afternoon while enjoying a bit of reading. Thinking about what my next adventure might be, I decided I wanted to try Prince. I have read numerous good things about this shop, so it was time to give it a try. It is not difficult to located at all. It is about a 15 minute walk from Chong Nonsi BTS station. The trickiest part is getting across North Sathorn Road. There are a couple of pedestrian bridges, but only a couple of street crossings. Facility is actually quite large. They have a large parking lot and courtyard area. Appears they are doing some construction in the smaller front building. When you enter the main building there is a seating area which faces a glass wall where you will find a number of available therapists in a gym setting. The receptionist/host provided a tablet with the various options. You do not need to make a reservation in advance for this shop. Guys here seem to be more muscular and what we in the US would refer to as gym bunnies. I would say most were mid-20’s to mid 30’s. Approximately 10-12 guys lined up. I had checked out their website in advance and there was one guy in particular that was of interest to me. I did not see him in the line up, so using my phone I pulled up their website and showed his photo to the host. He said he was not currently at the shop, but only lived 10 minutes away and he could contact him and see if he was available. I agreed to that option, so he made a quick phone call and the guy, Fame, was free and happy to come to the shop for an appointment. Since I basically ‘had the hots’ for this guy, I opted for a 120 minute session. They also have a set tip amount for the therapist based upon time. Massage was THB 1900 and mandatory tip was THB 2000. Based upon these figures, that inclusive pricing at Senso for 90 minutes is a better deal financially, but only by a few hundred THB. Service at both places was excellent. The website states they accept credit card, but in fact they do not. Prince probably has 25 standard rooms on ground level. Each contains a sink and shower, but no toilet, and a twin bed…no massage table. Shower is ample space for two persons. No idea what the deluxe room is like. We had adequate space for the two of us. No idea if there were other customers in the shop at the time or not. Never heard or saw anyone else. This was late afternoon, early evening. I had showered before his arrival since he was 10 minutes away so there would be no time wasted. He rinsed off quickly on arrival, but after we finished our session we showered together. It is quite obvious from the get-go that this place is not so much about the massage but more about the extra services. Definitely an H-type or #4 shop. They want the customer to have a good experience and to leave happy. I appreciated their willingness to contact the therapist I was interested in and he certainly lived up to all of my expectations. I think one of the things that attracted him to me was he is not quite as muscular as some of their other guys. A bit more on the lean side, which I prefer. He was certainly well-endowed and knew how to use that endowment quite well. English skills were ok, so we were able to communicate and have brief conversation. Turns out he does massage at Prince during the day, but at night he is one of the dancers at Dreamboy. He would be heading there after we finished our session. Walked back to Chong Nonsi for the return trip to condo. No plans to see Paradise guy today, and actually no message from him today, either. Relatively quiet, so to speak. lol.

Wow. That seems like a pretty steep 'off fee' compared to clubs in Bangkok. Is it that high to discourage such activity?

You got me. I should know better than to use the phrase 'most of us'. LOL. You would think, having lived in Taiwan for a few years with my Taiwanese boyfriend I would have remembered that. Old habits are hard to forget.

On Silom, starting at Saladaeng BTS you will see Wisdom and two or three different Olivia shops. They all have mostly male, but also female therapists and several twinks. The problem with these shops is...depending on time of day and who is in charge at that moment, they use a queue system and do not allow you to select which masseur. Even if there are twinks within the group sitting outside, there is no guarantee that is who you will actually get. Also, if you go earlier in the day, choices are limited. They get busier late afternoon into the evening and have more staff available. Just off Silom at Soi 4 is usually a barker for The Adam Massage. If you continue down Silom to Soi 6 you have 9-Teen. Turning onto Soi 6 you have two more locations for 9-Teen, Sun, Relax, Paradise, Maha, and Climax. Prime is also located here with three buildings, but it is strictly legitimate. There will be no happy endings or hanky panky at Prime. They usually are booked solid, too, so plan in advance. Soi 6 does not go all the way down to Surawong, but there is a connecting road which takes you past the old Tawan bar. Once on Surawong you will find Avarin (2 shops), Green, and another Olivia location. I have seen twinks at all of these. I have also been able to choose my masseur at Avarin and Green. Olivia will be hit or miss on that front. You should really check out a travel blog done by @macaroni21. Here is the link: https://shamelessmacktwo.travel.blog Look for Maps he has created for Silom/Surawong area. They are extremely helpful and relatively current.

Thanks so much. It is exactly as you have described. Not sure why street view in Google maps shows some dilapidated pink shack. So weird. FYI...I didn't need to go up a flight of stairs. You walk up maybe two steps to the ground floor where there was seating and a reception desk. Host had me sit and showed me the price list. Provided me with slippers and water. Once it was settled on the type of massage, there were three guys sitting on the other side of a makeshift fringe curtain that the host invited over for me to view and make a selection. Once all was arranged we went up one flight to what most of us call second floor but they refer to as first where they had two massage rooms and a communal restroom. Very helpful info indeed!!! Will share more about my experience in detail on another post.

continued…Installment 8: Will not bore everyone with details regarding what we did playing tourist for two days. Basically, it was filled with temples, markets and shopping malls…all of which are in ample supply around Bangkok. Did visit some areas of the city where I had never been before. One market in particular I did not care for and probably would never return. Chaktuchak Market is not your typical temporary stalls or booths, but rather a more permanent and concrete structure. It does consist of small shop after shop after shop, most filled with multiple fish aquariums filled with all sorts of tropical fish in various shapes, sizes and colors. All offered equipment for purchase to set up home aquariums as well. Also to be found were large assortments of birds, including chickens and ducks, all crammed into crates barely able to move around. Saw many turtles of various sizes, from tiny that you could hold in the palm of your hand up to giant that must have weighed over 100 pounds! Other things included monkeys, lemurs, rabbits, squirrels, mice…many types of rodents. Didn’t see any snakes, but wouldn’t surprise me at all if there were some for sale here. The market is huge with so many shops selling exactly the same thing. I don’t know how they make any money or manage to stay in business. The facility is all one level. Next door is the big red building which is maybe six stories filled with typical merchandise you find in most night markets. Again, shop after shop selling exactly the same thing. One floor was like a giant food court that only contained food booths. The nice thing about this facility is it was all indoors and air conditioned. I would go back to the indoor market, but have no desire to visit the outdoor zoo ever again. Paradise guy was so excited to show me these places that I had to be careful about what I said. Anyway, it was a pleasant two day adventure hanging out together. However, by the time Friday evening arrived I was ready for a break, and he probably was, too. That was the most time we had ever spent together long term, and to be honest it was quite exhausting. He was heading off to his friend’s birthday party, and I had something else in mind for myself…naturally. There would be plenty of beer, so he would either end up passing out there with his friends or just head to his apartment after the party and pass out there. After a quick power nap and shower, I decided to make an unannounced visit to Hotmale. In other words, I didn’t text Cam ahead of time to make sure he was working or letting him know I might stop by. I got there right around 9pm and 8 or 9 number boys were doing their rotation parade on stage with no customers at all. lol. I did not see Cam on stage or waiting for his turn to go up. Mamasan almost immediately realized why I was there and tried to assure me that he would be there, but arrives later. Rather hilarious, actually, because mamasan kind of went into panic mode and was afraid I would leave. She started texting and calling Cam to let him know someone was waiting for him, then would update me as to his updated arrival time. I really had to laugh about the scenario. He had the biggest smile on his face once he arrived and saw me. He came in with a bowl of something he had picked up on the street to eat before work. I didn’t even give him a chance to change out of his street clothes. Told him to give the bowl to one of his buddies to enjoy and we would go get some dinner elsewhere. I don’t think he eats out much other than street food, so when it came to making a decision about where to go for dinner, we ended up going with what was most familiar to him…Foodland. While enjoying a meal together, he said it was early and suggested we go visit Soi 4 and possibly see a show over there. Since I had only walked around that Soi during daylight hours when it was totally dead, I was interested to experience it at night. I assumed since it was a Friday night that it would be a lively place, and that assumption was accurate. One thing that struck me as odd, though, is the outside areas of the clubs were packed, as was the actual street. Wall to wall people. You could barely walk without bumping into someone. However, there were very few people actually inside the clubs. Pride restaurant seemed to be the most successful at engaging people in the actual show, because they brought the show outside to where people were sitting. Noise was a big factor with all of the clubs having the music cranked up as much as possible. You couldn’t make a distinction about what club was playing which music. It would seem it was all about being seen and getting noticed…a face off between the right hand side and left hand side. Reminded me of the old time contest of who is going to blink first. lol. The other thing I didn’t care for about Soi 4 is all of the smoking. Even though all of the bars had signs up outside indicating ‘no smoking’, these were ignored completely. The bars even had ash trays on the outdoor tables. At Cam’s recommendation, we decided to watch the show at Banana Club. I believe the main reason for that is several of the boys who were at this club are also from Cambodia and they are buddies. Show had already started when we got there, so probably missed a good 20 minutes of it. Counted a total of 12 customers inside, including us. Mostly males, but two females with male companions. Not sure if you refer to the entertainers as lady boys or drag queens. They seemed to do their numbers in groups of two or three rather than solo work, and each act would only perform one number. It followed a pattern of two singing acts, interspersed with a sexy boy act. Sexy boy acts were also done with two or three performers, not solo. Boys did show some cock, but all with condoms that appeared to be blown up quite a bit…literally blown up like with a bicycle pump or some such device. I don’t recall ever seeing that before. lol. The same three boys appeared in all of their sexy acts, but there was probably 18-20 number boys that paraded on stage during the 15 minute re-set from first show to second. I also noticed that some of the waiters had number tags, so I assume they could be taken off as well. Several of the boys looked older and perhaps should have considered retiring a few years ago. There were a few mid-20’s guys that I would describe as twinks, and one in particular I thought was cute, but otherwise they were all late 20’s to mid-30’s and a bit too muscular for my taste. THB 380 drink price for admission. We only had one drink each, waited for the second show to get started, then decided to leave and head back to the condo. Still rather early, but didn’t want to deal with BTS so took taxi. Cam was going to spend the night, so we took our time exploring each other completely. He has figured out what I really enjoy, and let me say he is very good at it. Since we left Hotmale almost immediately upon his arrival, I only paid the cost of my initial drink, THB 400, and his off fee, THB 500. Got up the next morning and grabbed some breakfast together before he headed off to exercise. We had never actually discussed fee, but I offered THB 3000 and he was very happy with that. Definitely plan to see each other again.

Thought I would expand on my comment in post above: 'Considered going to Saphan Kwai area, but very indecisive about which shop.' Been to Phoenix and would never return there. Did not care for that experience whatsoever. One and done. Been to Phetboys (now Love Boy) and would repeat, but do not like mats on the floor. No massage tables in any of their rooms. Communal shower, too, but that doesn't bother me at all. Communication wasn't a problem in scheduling appointments. BT massage has a very limited selection of therapists. I am assuming it must be a small shop with a handful of exclusive guys. They don't seem to share what I refer to as the stable of freelancers. 15M/27M does interest me, although 27M is a bit too far from BTS for my liking. For that reason I would opt for the 15M location. Share the same guys, plus they seem to be the freelancers shared amongst many shops. Kman seems like another good option, although some of the shared freelancers I am most interested in do not appear online for this shop, nor are they in their Line posts. One Spa seems like a good option, but as I recall from Google maps is also a bit far from the BTS station. Personal preference would be close proximity to the station...not that I am adverse to doing any walking. I do enjoy my exercise and a brisk walk is always beneficial. Would rather spend my energy in the massage room, though. lol. Home is another one in that general area, but difficult to find much information and they don't update on Line very often. Stars Man (previously G-beats) is very convenient to BTS and does seem to share the same group of freelancers. This shop interests me because they include the bath as part of their marketing. However, they are not good about daily Line updates...only occasionally do they seem to post. Very intrigued by Ganymede, and think I may actually give it a try this afternoon. Don't believe you need an appointment there. Different BTS station than Saphan Kwai, and location is a bit confusing from website vs. Google maps. I think it is quite possible the website is old and out of date and they may have moved to a new location within the last year. Need to check the most recent review on ShamelessMack2 for this place before heading out today to see if he has better info about how to get there. I am sure there are others I have failed to mention. Just sort of my informal list and reasons. Think it will be Ganymede today, then Stars Man up next, then definitely want to try Fafa near On Nut BTS.

continued…Installment 7: I am going to be out of pocket for a couple of days. Paradise guy is taking two days off for our so-called ‘trip’. My idea of a trip and his are entirely two different things. Guess that’s what happens when my Thai is non-existent, and his English is very limited. lol. I had envisioned we were going someplace exotic and relaxing outside of the city. His definition of trip was taking me to various places around Bangkok for two days that he wanted to make sure I saw or experienced. Anyway, that’s taking place Thursday and Friday until the evening. One of his buddies at the shop has a birthday on Friday and they are having an after-hours party once the shop closes at midnight. To be fair, he did invite me but I politely declined the invitation. I am pretty sure he knew I would, as well as was probably hoping I would! Basically I am the tourist and he is my guide. I actually laid low during the day on Wednesday. Considered going to Saphan Kwai area, but very indecisive about which shop. Ultimately decided it was perhaps a good idea to do some laundry if the next two days would be completely occupied. Actually connected with another forum member who happens to be in town now and we made plans to meet for drinks later in the evening. It will be nice to actually meet with someone in person. I headed over to Silom planning to arrive around 8:15 or thereabouts. I knew the other forum member had special plans late afternoon and would probably be at dinner around that time. I wanted to walk around and check out some of the other venues. As I was walking past Rainbow Dragon, I was stopped by their barker and I took a quick glance at their menu. I had no idea what type of club it was, and before I knew it he had grabbed my arm and was dragging me inside. It is a small place with perhaps 8 booths that can hold four persons in each, long bar with stools, and that’s about it. I sat in the first booth and ordered one drink. I was not planning to stay long. In the next booth was a gentleman who had to be at least five years older than me. Oh, and for those who may not know, this is a host bar. There was one bar tender, one host sitting with the older gentleman, the barker outside and one other person who acted as a waiter. Turns out he was also a host. There was a group of four persons sitting at the last booth down, but they left shortly after I arrived. A couple soon arrived and occupied one of the other empty booths. I finally asked the guy who took my drink order what his official position was, and he said he was one of the hosts. So, I invited him to join me and bought him a drink. We chatted for a good ten or fifteen minutes. He was just my type, too. He said the owner is from California originally and that all of the guys working there are from Myanmar. English was quite good. During our conversation, the older gentleman got up to leave. As he was heading to the exit, his host actually followed him outside. From this I kind of assumed that the host was going home with the gentleman. So, I asked the guy sitting with me if that, in fact, was taking place. He explained the owner does not allow the employees to be taken off during hours. What they do after the bar closes is their own business, but during open hours they socialize but never go off with customers. Naturally, I had to pursue that just a bit further and asked if he ever arranged to meet customers for some fun after the bar closes. Answer was affirmative, so I went one step further and asked if he would like to get together with me. Everyone saw this coming, didn’t you. lol. Exchanged contact info, and he said he actually preferred meeting people before going to work instead of when the bar closes. Closing time is 3am, so rather late to try and connect he said. That certainly works out better for me as well. So we exchanged contact info and will plan for a time to meet next week. By this time I had heard from the forum member asking if I was in the area now and where did we want to meet. He had already been to Freshboy and Goodboy, so would prefer someplace different. Options considered were Hotmale, Moonlight or Dreamboys. Neither of us were really keen on Moonlight, and I was wanting to check out Hotmale anyway to see if the young man I took off with me in October was still working there. So, we agreed to meet at Hotmale, which was right down the soi from my current location. Took me less than five minutes to wrap things up at Rainbow Dragon and head on over. Be about 30 minutes before the other forum member would get there. I knew it was early, so didn’t think there would be many customers yet. When I went inside, there were no other customers. I was the one and only. Probably about 12-15 guys in house doing their rotation on stage with no customers. lol. I still do not understand the thinking behind that. Anyway, I recognized my October tryst right away. He was still there, and he recognized me as well. Had this great big smile on his face. Couldn’t resist and did not hesitate to invite him over right away. I wasn’t about to take any chance that someone else would come in and scoop him up before I could make my move. Didn’t even bother to discuss business with mamasan. Warned the forum member that when he arrived I was already inside and might have some company with me. Also let him know that we might be the only customers for the first show. Checked with my guy to see if he would like to go with me for some playtime and he readily agreed. Only doing short term tonight. No idea what time Paradise guy will show up at the condo in the morning. Deal is sealed and paid the off fee so when we were ready to leave everything was taken care of in advance. Show started at 10pm. There were a few more customers by then, but not many. Some stayed, while others came and went…mostly went. I think at the most there were 12-15 number guys…well, minus one now. Mostly familiar faces from when I was there in October. First show as ok. Rather short. Stayed for the second show and it was actually much better. Performers seemed to enjoy the second act more as well, and it showed in their energy level. After the second show we said our goodbyes and will try to connect again in another week or so. I am occupied the next two days with Paradise guy, and the other forum member is traveling elsewhere in Asia. He will return to Bangkok in about one week. Also think one or two other forum members might be here then as well, and the mention of possibly some karaoke. Headed to the condo for several hours of glorious fun. He definitely remembered things I enjoy doing. For those curious, bar drinks at Hotmale are THB 400. Off fee was THB 500. Gave Cam THB 2000 for short term of three hours, which included tip. That did not include travel time to/from condo. Opted for taxi this trip. More time with Cam at the condo. Exchanged contact info and will definitely be seeing him again. Dang…all of these contact numbers and repeat business. Time is slipping away!

Yes, I've noticed the same thing. Their website still lists both locations and has therapists listed separately for both still. If I happen to go back to Prestige Sathorn and see one of the two I have scheduled with previously, I will ask them what is up with that location.

One thing I have noticed about the shops on Silom, Soi 6, and Surawong is it depends upon the time of day you are looking. Most of the shops open around 11am or 12 noon and do not have many staff members available that early in the day. I had this situation at Wisdom where they literally had no males present in early afternoon and had to contact one of their other Olivia locations to send someone over. I also know from Paradise guy that they don't schedule many guys early in the day, so there may only be one or two sitting outside if it's 1 or 2pm. I think a number of shops in Saphan Kwai area are similar to FaFa and have primarily twinks with a few muscle guys. Not many have websites, or at least well updated and maintained websites, but many have daily posts via Line.

Likewise, I was there this past week and can report it is in fact THB 3100 for 60 minutes and THB 3500 for 90 minutes.

continued…Installment 6: Received a text message from the guy on Grinder who works at the Marriott wanting to know if I wanted a massage. His name was Kenny, and while I did have a good time and would entertain seeing him again, I had something else planned for the day. I would be meeting Paradise guy (in deference to @floridarob) later in the evening at the shop for massage and dinner, but in the afternoon I wanted to check out Senso. Happy to confirm that 60 minutes all inclusive is 3100 Baht and 90 minute all inclusive is 3500 Baht. I arrived around 2pm so they had only been open about one hour. The overall atmosphere was very pleasant. As soon as I walked in, the person in charge invited me to sit down and proceeded to show me a tablet with the two options and the pricing. Oh, and the new photos/videos on the website are indeed AI generated. Those models do not exist in real life. lol. However, there were ten very fine specimens live standing in front of me. The boss used a laser pointer and really tried to steer me towards one guy in particular, but he just wasn’t my type. There were several that I did take a fancy to, and I ultimately decided on a slender guy with nice smile and only a couple of small tattoos. I certainly do not have a problem with body art, but am not a big fan of the guys who have their entire bodies covered. I shall call him Pong. Unlike other shops, price includes tip and you pay at the conclusion of services. They do accept credit card payment, but will add a service charge. I just paid cash. Also unlike other shops, they never had me remove street shoes for slippers. I went directly to the room in my regular shoes. The room was large with a full size bed, not massage table. Pong actually spoke English quite well. He instructed me to get undressed and take a shower, then had me lay face down on the bed while he rinsed off as well. I knew going in that this shop was more about the extra services than massage, so wasn’t expecting too much in that department. I was pleasantly surprised by how good the massage was. Pong used a variety of strokes with a decent amount of pressure and fairly good coverage with plenty of teasing along the way. I had opted for the 90 minute session, and the sensual elements began to intensify after about 45 minutes. He was naked from the beginning, and a full length mirror attached to the wall beside the bed provided ample opportunity for my viewing pleasure while I was face down. Pong was very well endowed and I wasn’t quite sure I could manage it, but he was a very masterful yet gentle top. Flipside was just as exhilarating and he was a fantastic kisser as well. All in all a wonderful afternoon. Glad I followed my gut reaction and chose Pong instead of the other guy. Also, we did exchange Line accounts and he is very open to meeting outside of the shop. I definitely plan to follow up with that. Met Paradise guy as planned at 6:30pm for a two hour session. No idea what the day had been like, but I think I was the only customer in the shop at that time. Many guys sitting out front waiting for their turn in the queue, but it really didn’t look like anyone was walking down Soi 6. Come to find out later there might be a possible reason for this. At this point in time, we usually just dispense with the massage portion and go directly to the fun part. Afterwards we went to grab a quick bite to eat at the night market. My guy headed back to the shop and I was going to stop in at one of the clubs to catch a show. Walked past Dreamboys and no signs of life. Walked down to Midnight bar and was closed up tight as a drum. No lights on, no barkers, no young men outside at Moonlight, Freshboys or Hotmale. It seems yesterday was a national religious holiday, Makha Bucha Day, so no alcohol sales anywhere…even restaurants…and no entertainment establishments open. That would explain why Soi 6 was so quiet as well. Not much foot traffic in general in Silom area other than the night market. Will have to try the clubs another day. Interesting fact, though…female clubs appeared to be open and doing a booming business. What is up with the double standard here?!?

Last night around 9pm I was walking down Patpong Night Market from Silom towards Surawong and walked past White Cat location. The pink sign from the previous bar was gone and a new sign above the door with a new name. No longer called White Cat evidently. I took a photo and have been trying to upload it but without much success. Keep getting an error message. Anyway, the new sign does in fact say Big Boy Bar & Host Club / Sexy Boy and Cabaret Show / Show Time 10:30pm. I should also note that the door was closed and locked, and no signs of life other than the new sign. Did not appear anyone was around or that the venue was actually open for business.

continued…Installment 5: I believe I am getting a bit behind in my updates. As I was beginning to write the next installment, I looked back and realized I am probably not doing a very good job of pacing myself as I said I was going to do this trip. I seem to be averaging two hook-ups daily in some shape or form. To be quite honest, I am not sure how long I will be able to keep up this pace. On Monday, the young man from Chaichana showed up at 12:30pm as promised. I will call him Jack. He is from a small town in Northern Thailand and still has that country boy charm and innocence. He is also very handsome and has the most beautiful smile. We chatted for a bit, and then we moved to the bedroom. He came prepared with some coconut oil, so we started with massage. His skills are average, so it’s not just a splash of oil and some circular motions. He actually provides pretty decent coverage as well as pressure and a variety of strokes. Of course, the massage was just to get things warmed up. What I really wanted was an extension of what we did in the massage shop, but for an extended time period. Since we had already met and we were in a more private environment, he was much more relaxed and really seemed to enjoy the intimacy. He even initiated some kissing, which was lacking in the shop. All I can say is he felt really good inside of me, and we were both hot and sweaty by the time he exploded. To add to that country boy charm, after spending about three hours with me, he was heading off to temple because he always does that on his first day off each month. We definitely plan to see each other again next Monday. Next up was a scheduled appointment at Prestige. The young man I saw at the Sukhumvit location was going to be at the Sathorn branch. In fact, the daily Line post for Prestige the last two or three days only lists the Sathorn location. Not sure if the other location is temporarily closed, or what the situation is. I wanted to schedule another appointment with him as I wanted to see just how far I could push the limits. I know others on the forum have been disappointed with Prestige when it comes to extra services. However, I have managed to get lucky with a couple of different therapists, so wanted to see if I could make it number 3. Although he was pretty adamant about following the shop rules and not going beyond B2B, he did offer me his Line account and said he would do more privately. So, while it was a little disappointing at the moment, there is hope. I really like the atmosphere and facilities of this shop in general, and the massage itself is usually very good. Admin will definitely not discuss any particulars about the therapists beyond their posted services and insist it is a completely legitimate shop. Now things got a little complicated. Unbeknownst to me at the time because my phone was on silent, during my session at Prestige my Paradise guy texted and wanted to know what I was doing. That could mean he wanted something, or it could mean he was checking up on me. My reply was probably delayed about 30 minutes from the time he texted me, but I just said I forgot that my phone was on silent and didn’t realize he had sent me a message until I actually looked at the phone. It wasn’t a lie, but also not 100% true. lol. Anyway, he said it was a slow day with no customers, too many guys in the queue, and he wasn’t feeling well. Could he come over and spend the night. I certainly wasn’t going to turn down this opportunity. Any chance I can get to curl up beside him and feel the warmth of his naked body beside mine and his passionate kisses I am definitely going to take. We just snuggled and fell asleep wrapped in each other's arms. Woke up later than usual, had some breakfast, and then he was off to work. I guess I should really give him a name instead of always just saying Paradise guy, so will call him Sam. Sorry...I know...sappy love story. lol.

I think some of these shops do offer outcalls for an additional fee. It is usually included in their daily Line posts or online photos of the young men what the outcall charge will be. Not sure how payment for that works, though, as I have never done outcall from one of the shops. Those I am interested in from the shops, I will usually ask if they want to exchange Line accounts. That way I can contact them directly and bypass the shop altogether. The guys like this as well, because then they get to keep the entire amount of money you are willing to pay. However, as @vinapu pointed out, if it is a working day for the boy or the shop finds out, there is often an 'off' fee similar to what the bars charge if you take a bar boy off. Best to find out their days off from the massage shop and make arrangements to meet on that day. That is what I did yesterday with a guy from Chaichana shop on Patpong. It was his off day.

I don't' think either of these shops are new. 15M and 27M are basically two different locations of the same business. There are a number of shops in or around Saphan Khwai BTS Station. Loveboy (formerly Phetboys), Starsman (formerly G-beats), BT Massage, Kmanspa, Relax Station, and Onespa. If you look at the photos all of these shops post online of available therapists, they are the same young men at every shop. That is why it is best to make an appointment in advance at the Saphan Khwai shops. The young men are freelancers and usually need at least one hour lead time for any scheduled appointment. There might be a very small number available for walk-ins, but not like the shops in Silom area. Also, it is best to have two or three young men in mind when making the appointment. Your first choice might not be available at all on any given day.

In the states, we have separate machines for washing and for drying. When traveling outside of the US, I always run across the combination machines. Instructions are often written in the language of whatever country I am visiting. As a result, I do not know if there is a way to bypass or turn off the dryer function and just air dry all of my clothes. I, too, do not like using the dryer for certain things, and will always hang them to air dry when at home. I hate tight fitting clothes, and my shirts always shrink if I put them in the dryer. If that happens, I end up donating them to one of the local thrift shops.

continued…Installment 4: Not much exciting to report. Needed to do some laundry, and was meeting my friends for brunch. I am really not a fan of the combination washer/dryer units. They do an ok job of washing, but just never get the clothes dry. I end up putting things on a hanger, then on a rack outside on the balcony to let them air dry. Brings back fond memories of my childhood and helping my grandmother hang clothes on a line in the back yard. My friends picked me up and we went to some out of the way place supposedly famous for their chicken. It was just ok for me…nothing exceptional, but enjoyed spending the time with friends. Isn’t the type of place I would request going back to, nor would I ever be able to find it again on my own. Was contemplating what mischief I might get into in the evening, and since I have not been to any of the clubs yet I considered a visit to Hotmale to see if the Cambodian guy I hooked up with back in October was still there. But then, I got a message from Paradise guy wanting to know if I was coming by to see him today. We all know where this ended up…don’t we. He mentioned he was hungry, so I offered to pick something up and bring it to him. We arranged to meet early evening. I told him to book a two hour session. Stopped by Silom Complex when I got off BTS. They are having an indoor Street Market festival…I think for Chinese New Year. One section is merchandise, but another section is all food booths. I picked up several things for us to share and then made my way over to Paradise. Lots of guys working at the shop today, more than usual, but not many customers. Probably because the area is saturated with massage shops. Too much competition within that one street. My guy says business is very slow these days. The guys know me pretty well by now, so they are friendly and polite but aware I am just there for one person. lol. Nobody tries to persuade me otherwise. Perhaps there is some hidden or unspoken ‘code of conduct’?!? We sat in the back corner on the sofa where the Chinese owner usually sits when he is there to eat the food I brought. Then we headed upstairs to one of the rooms for some relaxation and fun time. The guy at the reception desk has seen so much of me now that regardless of time requested he just charges me the 60 minute rate. lol. I call it the frequent customer discount. Doesn’t hurt that I have started to tip him just a little as a return favor. Not sure the boss would approve. After some massage, but more play, it was time for me to leave. By this time I was more than satisfied and very happy, so wasn’t sure if I would stay around and go to a club or not. It was around 8:30pm, so decided to walk through the night market. Specifically wanted to see if I could locate White Cat. Finally saw the sign above the door, but there was no sign of life. Door to the steps was closed and locked. No sign to indicate hours or that there was even a business upstairs other than the old pink sign above the door. Lingered around thinking they might open around 9pm and enjoyed a roti with egg and banana. Walked to the end of the night market at Surawong and then back to White Cat, but still no signs of life. Walked across to the next Soi and made a stop in Foodland for some snacks. While in Foodland I received a text from the hot number at Chaichana I met earlier in the week. He wanted to know if we were still on for getting together on Monday. I didn’t have to think twice. No hesitation whatsoever. It was a resounding ‘yes, definitely’! Gave him the address and confirmed a 12:30pm arrival at the condo. Once I knew that was going to happen for sure, I decided to head back to the condo instead of going to Hotmale. Will save club visits for another day.

ok...not going into this with blinders on this time. lol. I am a little more grounded this trip. In October and my first real experience in Silom by myself (minus straight friends), I was like the proverbial kid in the candy store for the very first time. Even at my age, it was all so new, fresh and exciting...even exhilarating. I have more time this trip to explore and experience things. That helps considerably. I don't feel under any time constraints. Definitely not looking for a relationship at this stage in life. I enjoy his company and the attention. The reality is he works in an SS massage shop, so I have no idea how many customers he really sees in a day, nor does it really matter. I also have no idea what experience he provides those customers. I don't ask, as it isn't any of my business or concern. I have no clue what stories he might create for other customers. For him, it's a job and business. For me, I am just going to enjoy whatever time we spend together while I am here without any strings attached.